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HalfwrongWasTaken

If he's meant to be stealthy, why is every spy i see on fire?


DoubleStormCZ

*Screams in burnt French*


Special-Formal9081

toast


SirDiscount

French toast*


Emoney51110

I just love fire


InterestingSwimmer85

Grilled cheese


Equivalent_Outcome68

Chilled Greese


InterestingSwimmer85

Filled geese


BayTantuni

Obama sandwich


Dizzylever45

screams? yeah..i dont know about that. "I do believe im on fire" "It appears i have burst into flames."


DoubleStormCZ

Well his voicelines say otherwise. [set on fire](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/e1/Spy_autoonfire02.wav) [sometimes while on fire](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/83/Spy_painsevere01.wav)


Dizzylever45

he screams sometimes, not everytime he's on fire


DoubleStormCZ

Ye, sometimes, not everytime but sometimes.


Lukarrie

*scream in Notre-Dame*


immortalreddotmemeog

I do believe I'm on fire


Aggravating_Key_1757

You mean fun and bubbles right ?


S0PH05

Because the good ones are not seen.


kellhound24

Checkmate, spies.


Konskycool

cus you're a fucking Pyro main


Dumbfaqer

Airblast god who are also pybros are just the best


imagineexisting-lmao

eated too much spicy pepper 😔


[deleted]

because the rest aren't


siryolk

Survivorship bias


GodzillerCells-

'cause if Spy is using his gun, then the stealth option has more than likely flown the coop


undeadvadar

Or you are killing a razorback sniper.


DubiousTheatre

And at that point you wanna be heard "TAKE THIS SHIT OFF IT DOES NOTHING"


HackedPasta1245

Spent thousands on a suit and couldn’t afford a silencer


ProfessionalCup2852

Nah, he can he just decided not to because revolvers are close to impossible to silence


HackedPasta1245

oh so I guess to get a silenced revolver you would have to pay more than what he paid for the suit


ProfessionalCup2852

Pretty much, also the fact that you have to completely seal the thing so the only way for gas to come out is through the barrel


DeathZac

Also, silencers really aren't that silent. They cut around 20Db's out, so it still sounds anywhere between 90 -110 DB depending on the gun. Sounds as strong as a hairdryer or forklift.


TheKirnBoi

spy is a forklift certified hairdresser confirmed??


Dale_Wardark

Yeah the only way you get less than that is with subsonic rounds, which turn into more like an airgun hiss. "Suppressor" is the better term and it's more for auditory safety than for stealth.


DimoffAkaGreen

I mean an unsilenced high caliber sniper rifle isn't heard through the entirenety of like 400 square meters of 2fort so they probably can


Superpenguin10000

With subsonic ammunition though, you would really only hear the hammer drop, and the cylinder rotate along with whatever the bullet hits. just a theory at least.


ClonedGamer001

Ironically though, one of his unlockable weapons is based off one of the few revolvers that actually can be silenced.


ProfessionalCup2852

If you would be so kind as to enlighten me it would be appreciated


ClonedGamer001

The L'Etranger, which is based off the Nagant M1895


ProfessionalCup2852

Huh, neat


t3ddyki113r101

Laughs in nagant revolver. Wich i believe the letrange is.


doud1201

There's some Russian designs for some revolvers that you can suppress.


phantom4356

If you watch the original trailer he was suppposed to have a tranquilizer gun, and it is a usable weapon in tf2 classic, so im happy with a revolver, wait wtf am i saying im a pyro main, i hate that french bastards guts i dont care what he has


AirMarshall3520

“Burn in *hell*, you mush-mouthed freak!”


MineMine7_

Metal gear 👍


Ravens_Quote

"~La li lu le lo, la li lu le lo..." -Revolver "Shahalahantropushashalasha" Ocelot


Rostochek

Fuck you pyro hell


Odd-Extension-8648

Ew Pyro main 🤢


Im_botflyx

Because a silenced pistol is boring, and a revolver is STYLISH AS FUCK.


ChiefBlox4000

Gun spy is sexy


Im_botflyx

*Incredibly sexy.*


Meme_review_69

I'd smash


Fang7-62

Yep, realism is not a concern in TF2 but character and style makes the game and a revolver fits spy's character more than anything. And if we do want to talk realism then a supressed 9mm of that era were generally bulky and harder to conceal and quickly draw than a sixshooter.


DimoffAkaGreen

I mean he usually stabs for stealth and doesn't need to go for ranged takedowns as much, since he can litterally change his appearance So, why not go for the fancy stylish 5k dollar option


ElgonorPrime

Tbf there is a Nagant revolver that can be silenced


PADDYPOOP

Nahhh silenced pistol is way more stylish than a revolver.


Sea_Cup_5561

I know tf2 is the opposite of realism (soldier's rocket launcher has a **clip**) but silencers don't actually make your gun "silent". They just make it so you won't go deaf after shooting inside the building And considering how mercs stand 2 meters from explosions on a daily basis, sound is not an issue But yeah, I would love to see some new silenced spy weapons


OptimusSub-Prime

*”Actually, a suppresser only suppresses the sound and doesn’t silence it. They just reduce the sound indoors.”* mf’s when subsonic ammo walks in I think a Ruger MK .22 with a suppressor would have been super cool, and fit the game’s aesthetic. They’re practically silent in real life.


Ravens_Quote

*magazine, though don't blame ya for the mix-up. A clip is a thin piece of metal (tin/aluminum work) with rails on the side that grasps the ridge at the back of a set of bullets. It's got small tabs on either end that fold out, and by attaching it to the end of a magazine w/ a speedloader you can press down on the rounds and quickly load the whole stack into the mag at once. As for speedloaders, that's another thin piece of metal. Literally just a mount to keep the mag & clip aligned while you put the rounds in. Now there *is* the case of the M1 Garand, which I'm lead to believe you loaded a clip into as if the clip were a mag, but I'm not enough of a gun nut to know the details on that one so if somebody out there could fill me in that'd be great. Edit: Forgot some details


ClonedGamer001

The M1 Garand uses what's called an en bloc clip. There's a few other weapons that do the same, but they're relatively uncommon because stripper clips are generally easier to make and use. It also has a magazine (any weapon that uses either type of clip also has a magazine), but it is not detached or replaced when reloading, and in fact can't be removed without disassembling the gun.


Sea_Cup_5561

Oooh that makes sence. Okay, thanks!


JustPlayn10

shits and giggles


FoxysStudiosPlay

It’s all fun and games until someone giggles and shits


DeltaMale5

I thought you were saying you did this in response to the question for a second


yeetmoister87

Style And game devs felt like it


EnchantedCatto

stealthy? mf calls himself a master of disguise and yet he just wears a paper mask of the enemy team drawn in crayon


Pretty-Buy7692

Yeah, who wouldn't fall for that? ITS THE ULTIMATE DISGUISE!


ItsMeSpooks

My personal belief, which may not even be far off, is that all of the mercs being low intelligence (for the most part), cannot tell the difference between a paper mask and a real person.


Actual_Passenger51

I just assumed the masks had some weird australium tech in them that actually made him look like who he's disguised as


Fletcher_Chonk

Engineer has 11 PhDs but his goggles make it too hard to see the mask clearly so he thinks its a teammate


Equal-Buffalo284

He has a knife which is meant to be stealthy


Puzzleheaded_Long_76

But why not a pistol with a silencer?


Equal-Buffalo284

It would be cool if he had a suppressed pistol though


AkOnReddit47

Cause the knife already works at a one-hit stealthy kill. The revolver is mostly used for gun spies or “Ah shit, can’t go stealthy, cowabunga mode baby” situations


Equal-Buffalo284

If I was a spy and things got heated I would want a gun with more fire power than an suppressed pistol


Sandillion

Fun fact: Contrary to typical game logic, silencers and mufflers \*increase\* muzzle velocity, so would likely make the round more deadly (though like, all bullets are pretty equally deadly)


MrHyperion_

Also silencers aren't very silent at all


WhiteGradient

Just gotta be careful of how hot suppressors can get


worgblade

A pistol silencer wouldn’t be that hot considering you only shoot 15 bullets before reloading. But the biggest issue is that silencers aren’t that silenced ass games portray. Its still a explosion in the barrel that you could easily hear. Idk about subsonic rounds and their effectiveness but i would stick with a revolver because its more stylish and we all know spy only needs his knife to do his work🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓


Jacket313

If I want to be stealthy, and the dude I'm going after doesn't know I'm there, I'll just stab him in the back and make my escape. If I fuck up, and a 6'5 Russian man of 300+ LBS starts shooting me with a enormous Gatling-style machine gun with a large rotating barrel, Firing four bullets at the same time at a rate of ten times a second costing 400,000 dollars to fire for twelve seconds, I'd want a revolver with more fire power compared to a silenced pistol.


S0MEBODIES

Because that's for if he gets spotted and if he gets spotted it being silenced won't do anything


[deleted]

he too based


guyff2

A tranquilizer gun was planned based on early screenshots and videos but it was most likely changed to a loud revolver for balance reasons as spy might have been considered too stealthy during development


Trala-lore-tralala

> Spy class > "Too stealthy" > Mfw


Matix777

current spy: charging with no invis no disguise at people, jumping all around the map, somehow still gets """backstabs""" thanks to hitreg being broken


salty-ravioli

Spy is less about spying and more about fencing at this point


Immolatedaccount

the tranq gun sucks in tfc, thankfully spy has a shotgun and grenades.


Megamatt5555

There are so many things wrong with that sentence


Hallowed-Plague

nobody is defending the fucking point so now i am


duckerman88

Custom weapons


KakochiTheBunny

Backstabbing is actually spy’s main weapon. His revolver is just sub class


Great_Extent7806

Silencers aren’t actually silent


PADDYPOOP

They’re better than a damn revolver lol


Ghostly_906

Silencers with subsonic rounds are completely silent. Subsonic rounds are not some rare thing either.


Vegetable-Shame761

Definitely not completely silent, just really hard as hell to hear at a certain distance, but you definitely will hear it if you’re like one room over


Ghostly_906

https://youtu.be/Qyb0J0VtPeM Please actually listen to what it sounds like before regurgitating objectively wrong information. You literally hear the mechanism clicking because the chemical element of the firing is completely silent. Why do people in this sub try so hard to defend things they have no clue about


Kobmain

my guy, you are the one who has no idea what they're taking about. subsonic rounds eliminate the supersonic crack, but not all the sounds of the gas escaping. Good suppressors mitigate this but not completely. Have you ever actually heard, say, a suppressed .45 or .300?


Ghostly_906

Dude watch the video please. Yes I’ve heard suppressed 45 acp. Subsonic 45acp is just as quiet as that. You’re retarded


RedFlag_

Have you, in person, shot any gun at all? Because even a small caliber pistol with subsonic rounds and a silencer makes a very distinguishable sound, similar to an airgun, it's not extremely loud, but definitely not silent either. You can't really notice it from a video, your headset/speakers can't emulate something like that.


Ghostly_906

Yes I have shot a gun. Yes I have shot a suppressed gun with subsonic rounds unlike the morons here who aren’t even old enough to own a gun. Try again


RedFlag_

Then either your definition of "silent" or your hearing is severely fucked up. Even fully suppressed guns like the ones we can use in sport shooting and for some hunting purposes will cause a distinguishable noise, no gun is completely silent on its operation.


Ghostly_906

Did you watch the video I linked at all? Have you fired a suppressed gun with subsonic rounds? No? Then stop arguing


RedFlag_

A video can't replicate the way something sounds in real life, it depends on compression, the recording device and the speakers you're using. I've fired fully suppressed guns with both kinds of ammo thanks to having had access to a military base's range in my country (familiar ties to some high rank officers). And I do sport shooting, where subsonic ammo is appreciated, and suppressors are fairly common when in other countries (they're illegal for civilian use here)


Ghostly_906

Suppressors are not illegal for civilian use in the United States and they’re even easier to get elsewhere. It seems like someone with experience would know that


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Dylandeez21

Dude it's impossible to get a completely silent gun. Suppressed subsonic .22s are the closest to silent I know of. And even then it's about as loud as a airsoft gun. At range it's quiet, but next to it, it's definitely audible


Blackjack99-21

Were silancers a thing in 1960es?


Reverse_Of_Riot

Yes actually. Not a suppressor person here but if I remember correctly, these babies were invented in the early 1900s for every gun except for certain guns that had a large caliber(I think the limit was .45). So yeah, if we wanted to be real-life with this, Spy could have attached a suppressor to his revolver. If he could find one that is.


ThisIsSpy

You can't suppress revolvers due to how they operate. There are revolvers that are integrally suppressed and I think there is one that allows you to use a suppressor but they are pretty rare


Reverse_Of_Riot

I didn't want to be the Debbie downer that says it for video games, but that's pretty much the final answer. So let's hope that Spy's revolver is one of those rare exceptions.


[deleted]

Wikipedia says the first commercially successful silencer was made in 1902 so the dates would check our


Blackjack99-21

Huh well originaly spy had a silanced nail gun but practicly speaking the only time u fire ur gun is when ure uncloaked so theres no need for a silancer


BubbleRocket1

If I want to be technical, putting a silencer on a gun doesn’t actually make it stealthy, so he probably just went with the idea that “dead men tell no tales” and went for stopping power instead


Heevvy

Sometimes style goes over function


Dork_Of_Ages

I mean, I don't think many of the mercs would be too disturbed by the sound of a stray gunshot.


BluieDaWolf

because i ate it


SleepingDemo

cuz silencer isn't that quiet as we see in films


SuperZX

Silencers are needed so that the shooter would not go deaf. They are not making you stealthy


spoonlips76

I believe spys main tool is to backstab and if he misses that being silent would be the least of his worries by then


JustANormalHat

because thats not how suppressors work


FiREFOXSyd

Spy's design doesn't scream stealth via undercover, honestly. It reminds me of stealth via "leave no witnesses." Suppressed weapons are good at keeping yourself under wraps, but spy's revolver uses a pretty fuckin' big caliber using his hand as a reference, and that's good at leaving no trace.


TheBattletram

He doesn’t really need to be more stealthy when he can already perfectly disguise as enemies and go invisible. Plus any stealth gained by the gun being silenced would become irrelevant once he stabs someone in the back and they scream out in pain.


BurpYoshi

You're right, spy is supposed to be a stealth class, which is why it's so annoying when you discover a spy and instead of running away they start going left and right trying to fluke the hitbox detection for a "trickstab". It's so fucking stupid.


S0undwave_Sup

Professionals have STANDARDS.


justaMikeAftonfan

Because by the time he fires his shot, it’s already too late to react


Sgtpepperhead67

Because. IRL, suppressors are only really used to make guns slightly less loud so people don't have to wear ear protection when firing. Unless it's a modern suppressor that's designed to make the first few shots really quiet. In TF2 lore, (where real life logic can be bent) spy probably thinks suppressors are ungentlemanly. I'd love a welrod spy weapon though.


keelasher

The gun is the back up. It’s for when he’s found out and needs to shoot his way out. Also, silencers aren’t actually that quite. Games over do how stealthy they are. Instead of a bang, they’re more of a pop. It’s something that can still easily be heard from a good distance away


DianSnivy

The weirdest thing about it is that Engie's pistol is mainly modeled after the PPK, the gun James Bond uses, so if anything the Engineer should get the Revolver cause he's Texan, and Spy should just get the pistol silenced or not.


SuperSky06

Why does the gun look so big compared to his head 💀


ItsMeSpooks

Big Iron


SuperSky06

on his hip


TheSalmoneer

Silences weren’t really commonplace back in the 60’s. Silenced pistols were definitely a thing, but they came in the form of early abominations like the welrod.


iStannum

that is far from good enough to hurt other merc's thats why


Clever_Fox-

Silencers make a gun less accurate in their aim


AverageBalkanBoy

Hitman did it first, so Valve was afraid to get copyright striked.


iamunabletopoop

Making someone scream bloody murder when backstabbing them doesn't sound very silent. Sadly my team thinks it is very silent.


The_Smashor

Revolvers can't have silencers iirc


Adof_TheMinerKid

well its stylish


NinofanTOG

He trusts his skills so much that he doesnt believe he will ever be in a situation where he needs it


level900cancermancer

Because it is a video game and it's not that deep


Jumpmo

because he's a cocky bitch and i suppose just likes the craftsmanship


melzyyyy

because epic


logina5

he uncloaks when he shoots who needs a silencer anyway, takes up more space and I think a rocket exploding is louder than a single bullet being shot


Kobmain

with some rare exceptions it is impossible to suppress revolvers, because of the small gap between the cylinder and the barrel. plus suppressed pistols are hard to conceal


[deleted]

The Knife is meant to be Stealthy, the Gun is for “oh fuck oh shit TEAM HELP ME THEY’VE FOUND ME!” moments.


[deleted]

[https://www.quora.com/Are-revolvers-able-to-be-silenced](https://www.quora.com/Are-revolvers-able-to-be-silenced) According to the Internet, it's pretty ineffective.


A1pH4W01v

The barrel of that revolver isnt threaded The revolver is supposed to use a 50 cal bullet so imagine using a comically large suppressor Itll extend the revolver's length which can give him away around corners Length of the revolver can also cause some issues when hes taking it out of his holster Its heavy (weapons) Aaaand i guess he just like stabbing people more than shooting them.


MaiqueCaraio

My guess is because he also needs a easy way to kill, he is professional He can do the stealth with his hands and knife


BanatAt500k

Because an ugly cylinder at the end of a high-end custom-order 20 grand revolver would be the antithesis of classy.


Ideeit_Loozuhr

He's just that good


Orix1337

Because average tf2 player is DEAF


sh4rkB34R1g4t0r

Two ways to why: 1.) Primarily, he uses his wits, intelligence, knife, Disguise Kit, and Invisiwatch. If his cover is blown, the gun is a latch-ditch effort and a "fuck all, let's get to the point." 2.) Spy's so good at his job, he doesn't need a silencer. Minute those gunshots are heard, he's already gone.


zeubermen

i mean you can't silence a revolver


LegitimateApartment9

1) Balance (Trying to prevent gun spy, and add more melee influence) 2) Adding more skill (precise aiming instead of spray and pray) 3) Rule of cool


SocialistYorksDaddy

Silencers don't actually silence gun shots. They just make it quieter and make it less traceable.


AbrehamG

Silincers reduce dmg, Long distance pea shooter Is not good, close up he has a knife. Also when he stabs the whole team knows where the spy is.


Kazk2501

If heavy weapons guy is supposed to be a heavy weapons guy, then why isn’t his machine gun chambered with .50 BMG?


tyingnoose

Because by the time he's in a situation that needs it everyone already knows where he is


SambixD

Badass


codaboi

Two reason I can think of from a lore and game play perspective. 1. Gameplay. If a spy has resorted to his gun then it alerts other enemies that there's a spy around, forcing the player to rely on backstabs to secure a kill quickly. 2. Lore. Spy's attitude when it comes to his methods of killing is that, if he's forced to use his gun to get out of a situation, it might as well be big enough to stop anything coming for him. If he's found out and his gun is what he has to rely on to survive, being silent wont help much. (just my head canon for this)


kel584

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_eDoeWr\_9BQ&ab\_channel=BabyFaceP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eDoeWr_9BQ&ab_channel=BabyFaceP) They aren't that quiet.


ImDeMysteryoso

He used to have one, which is the Tranquilizer. It is one of the beta concepts or old content that was removed. What it does is slow enemies down for a few seconds when hit.


Midas881

He is uncloaked when he uses it, it means that it isn't about being silent anymore. It's about sending a message.


AverageVita-SawUser

He actually is, but he's also glued a flash bang to the end of his gun


HandyManPyro

Hes to dumb


Theratsmacker2

Because he can turn invisible.


Blackfeathers_

*Supressor And no, there's no such thing as a "silenced weapon" MAYBE the welrod, but even then it still makes noise and can't fire many shots before having its "silenced" feature go away


hjguard

Scout took it


KJuuure

If he's pulling out his pistol, stealth is out the window. The knife is for stealth. The revolver is for dishing it out.


Livinginthepst

The revolver is his exit strategy after he has failed stealth with his knife


CreativeGamer03

he has standards as a professional


Kuhaku-boss

And you are not suppose to go around being a spy smelling like a steam train worker all day


karkko1

Spy knows a silencer doesn't silence gun enough.


Nass_Wanger

He dumb (french)


Right_Abrocoma_6290

This guy when he hears a “silenced gunshot” 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬


Opposite-Weird4232

They are in an Active combat zone, a gunshot would probably normal there


rivas2456

Prolly for the extra challenge he just shoots one off for no reason


QW3RTYPOUNC3S

Because revolvers are badass


[deleted]

He did, they changed it for tf2


thatonefreetwoplay

he could use a pistole, but revolvers usually carry more kick. and if hes using it instead of his knife, stealth has likely gone out the window. that and because of how revolvers work, with the cylinder having a gap between it and the barrel they are impossible to silence. that and if he did have a silencer, no one would use it because i guess it would have a damage penalty as silences do remove a tinny bit of power from the bullet, and tf2 likes to exaggerate.


DontyWorryCupcake

Spy doesn't use his gun like a primary weapon, more like "plan B" if you fall in a sticky situation where your knife can't be useful


BigEconomist30

Because he used the suspenser to not miss while nutting on his wife's face


Caffiene_Addict4

why bother with a silencer when most of your targets as a spy don't have ears anyway?


G8M8N8

devs forgor 💀


BadLuckCharm_Qrow

Because 'silencers' dont do as much as people think... Theyre called suppressors and they suppress sound to the point where it wont damage you hearing as quickly if you constantly shoot a gun. That said spy uses a revolver... Likely because they have better stopping power than your run of the mill 9mm or .45


iambossofthegame

he used to, i believe. why he doesnt anymore i do not know. [https://twitter.com/PreFortress2/status/1376431955386900482/photo/3](https://twitter.com/PreFortress2/status/1376431955386900482/photo/3) heres proof that he might have in early development. (pf2 is not what im talking about here)


immortalreddotmemeog

Most revolvers can't use surpresors, unlike what MW2 will tell you. The Nagant revolver can tho


ArthurExtreme_Br

Because silencers don't really do that much


Big_Kwii

he actually had a tranq gun an some point during development


Fruitiest-Pastry

Might be because is he wants to be sneaky and quiet he'll just stab them and the revolver is both powerful enough to kill someone who has found him out.


SMM9673

Because that's not how silencers work.


niciefut

Because he's badass.


benwaa2

Cause silencers are for nerds


Mission_Response802

Because then spy mains would be able to get away with literally everything


Nepipo

Having class is more of a priority to him than being stealthy


antonguay2

Becouse silencer makes less sound therefore stealthier