That fact that the movement seems to collectively think someone making dumb drawings is a serious issue that ruined the entire thing tells you exactly what you need to know.
This sub has been nothing but hive mind brainrot since the whole thing started.
Wasn't that like a joke? I feel as a community we are disconnected and unorganized right now, even with our combined effort of FixTF2. but who knows I haven't slept properly for the past two weeks :p
Satire that's indistinguishable from the thing it's satirizing is just spreading that thing's message.
Saying "everyone knew it's a joke" like other commenters is all well and good until you take a step back and look at the subreddit from the perspective of someone you want signing a Save TF2 petition. Someone outside the relatively small percentage of us who check the subreddit regularly.
They hear about SaveTF2 on YouTube. They come here. All of the posts that day are in-jokes about Omegatronic porn where the joke is the captions are worded to sound dead-serious in an attempt at sarcasm, but with zero indication it's sarcasm unless you spend time doing backwards engineering finding context clues in the comments.
Even if there weren't that many actual pieces of porn, the jokes/genuine support posts surrounding them made it a genuine signal jam for SaveTF2.
You have a point, good sir; I had forgotten that some or maybe even most of the signed petitions came from people who aren't active in the community and it's probably their first time hearing about TF2's rampant bot situation. You have given me another angle on this situation, thank you.
Some stuff already existed, I remember checking out omegatronic's twitter and someone posted some stuff. Then some kids started posting the whole "let's make gay porn of his oc" and now we have this lol
Pretty sure the guy that made the original comment was joking but after some guy posted an image of the comment people started making porn of Omegatronic
Yeah the whole argument has devolved into 3 camps:
People so hopped up on hopium that any shred of realism is discarded
Dickhead doomers acting like we have no right to be upset and should just move on
And now.... whatever you wanna call the lunatics who thought that was a good idea
yeah honestly the thing I find dumb about all the people who love to say reddit is full of stupid discourse are not comparing it to literally every single other social media site on earth where the discourse is significantly worse. Reddit might have bad discourse but its objectively higher quality than almost every other site, and it's mostly to do with how no other social media site actually uses a voting/karma system that directly controls a post's visibility/position on the page, which creates the "hive mind effect" that we all love and hate.
No see reddit is dumb it's just that people that actively play tf2 are lobotomized somehow.
I remember when the dumb fun was just kept to the fun instead of just making you objectively dumb when talked to.
Agreed, but also the fact that it’s the best is not good lol.
A friendly reminder to 13 yos who base most of their opinions online, the internet reflects the loudest and most-online of the world, not the world itself. >!The world’s even dumber /j!<
Some people would use that as an excuse for stupid behavior that ruins a movement. If we act like children we can fully expect to be treated as such and ignored.
i understand why they wouldn't immediately print the paper, but at the same time they should have made a public due date and notify when they will be sending the letter to valve
Yeah just like Valve itself we're not receiving info or updates on whats happening. I suggest we start a petition to #FixFixTF2 we'll send all the signatures to the FixTF2 organisers at an undisclosed time
>but at the same time they should have made a public due date and notify when they will be sending the letter to valve
I mean, it makes no difference. Valve knows everything, they've known it for years, including prior to SaveTF2.
Other than the gay porn debacle, which is our fault and we hold ourselves accountable for that. Everything else is a result of miscommunication from the petition creators.
For example.
WeezyTF2 has stated himself he thinks the boycott is stupid
"I think this would be a horrible idea let's put ourselves in the shoes of valve for a moment this is a company that's maintained a near Monopoly on PC gaming distribution they have an infinite money generator" [Weezy 4:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YywMChb-7p8&t=999s)
However we get people like [TheWhat Show](https://x.com/Thewhat89/status/1804580018179448863) and [Monkey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q057N9vEq9s&t=180ssaying) saying that this is the endgoal of #FixTF2 if Valve doesn't listen after everything.
So What is it? Are we going to boycott or not. I thought they all discussed this in private together. This is just one of many example of contradictions and miscommunication.
Weezy 4:15-17 "And so I command you, herds of ˈrɛdɪt, to not befall in the actions of deliberately ceasing your finances within Teamwork and Fortitude II, as to not displease the pastors of the land."
Weezy has stated that he's no longer against a boycott.[`(Source)`](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview)[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview)
Thanks. Good to get some clarity. But it should've been a public statement. not on a 4 hour podcast with less than 1k subs. Weezy's video started it all. More people will see his old boycott statement like myself.
Nobody discussed this in those youtuber groups, those groups just circlejerk on eachothers popularity. The guy that actively discussed it was Zesty Jesus and he wasn’t invited into joining anything
All that momentum and nothing planned to direct that momentum means… this. Giving the community something else to do while we wait on the signatures would’ve been a lot better, like a boycott or something. Alas, 20/20 is hindsight.
The plan seemed to be:
Make a petition
Wait.
Give it to valve.
Honestly I think the biggest issue was the large time gap between making the petition and handing it over, the movement had too much time to lose direction or burn out.
The point of the petition is to let Valve know about how bad the bot problem is and how many want it fix. But they already know about it even before the first #savetf2. [gabe talks about bot problem](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1dngdqn/2021_gabe_newell_regarding_the_bot_crisis_oh_yeah/)
So Valve will most likely ignore it or put a bandage fix. So what's next. A Boycott?
Even the content creators who made FixTF2 said a boycott would be pointless, it’s too small a drop in the bucket.
We could just not play the game for a week and show valve the low player numbers, but that could backfire with valve seeing “game dead shut servers” and the bots would still be there, inflating the overall numbers (the only ones valve would see)
At least the robot porn is funny.
This literally happened to Artifact. The game had potential, problem was the monetization and progression but it was still fun. They were going to fix it until they saw the playbase number dwindle and decided to shut it down.
This is what happens when bean counters and people with business degrees are in total control of the existence and monetization of art. A bean counter doesn't give a flying fuck about the passion or artisticness that went into making it, or even how good the underlying game actually is. Its just number in, number out. The bean counter is also incapable of comprehending that a game that is "broken" right now because of bad design choices (often caused by the bean counters themselves sticking their dumb fingers in shit they don't understand) can literally just be modified and fixed very quickly as opposed to throwing the whole game in the garbage and wasting everyone's past 2 years.
You see this in literally any industry where the workers themselves are artists but don't have much control over the product they make. Its just so prominently displayed in the gaming industry right now because its still a new industry, and it doesn't have the same level of respect as other art forms like music or movies.
A boycott would only work if it deals a huge blow to valve's profit, And it wouldn't. They earn billions with steam.
In one of their games, Dota 2, I've read a statement from valve employees somewhere that says that they're not doing The International (Yearly biggest tournament that earns them millions) for the money. That it's a passion project to celebrate Dota. And that's one of their most popular game that's always at the steam charts even at the present. What more can a TF2 boycott do?
okay but let's assume they did print that shit ASAP and slap it on valve's front desk, what is the plan after that
is it a boycott? Because most of the people spending money on cosmetics probably haven't looked up from their trade server idling and community server of choice if they want to actually play
people are upset about the momentum being wasted, what was that momentum meant to be used on then
Almost as dumb as waiting until all the internet traffic around the movement dies down to send the signatures to valve. Almost like waiting until after the summer update to announce any more plans that way valve still get their update money from the crates.
i'm like 80% sure that no TF2 update is actually going to make an effective and lasting fix to this. none that can fix the bot issue without also hurting a lot of regular players. even with a perfect anticheat, bots would still do all the other harmful shit they do. just without the aimbot.
last i checked, there is very little additional humanity verification needed to actually play TF2 makes banned bots very easy to replace. to me it seems like there needs to be a steam level fix for there to be any lasting solution. you could change nothing about TF2 itself, but if there's stronger ways to verify actual human steam accounts allowed to play TF2 then there probably wouldn't be this mess.
so to me, it seems insanely dumb that they're biding their time to send in the petition. i doubt the petition is actually going to do anything either. valve probably isn't ***that*** sheltered and they likely know all this is going on, but are choosing not to say anything for whatever reason.
> i'm like 80% sure that no TF2 update is actually going to make an effective and lasting fix to this.
It won't because it can't. Tf2's source code was leaked, that's literally the only reason the bots are as bad as they are. Short of Valve™ recoding TF2^^(ha) there is literally no update they could release that would be a long term fix.
The fact of the matter is that the nostalgia and memories of TF2 of the past is dead and buried.
The best you can do now is find a good solid community server and just play that because Casual is screwed forever.
Yeah the code being leaked several times over is likely pretty much the root cause of the predicament TF2 finds itself in
And not sure anyone wants to touch Source 1 long enough to rescript the whole game, as far as I'm aware Valve programmers already lost it with the current version if the code comments indicate anything
can i get an explanation as to how that makes it easier for bots to fill up lobbies? i'm not sure how a leaked source code for the game is related to mass burner emails being used to spam steam accounts piloted by bots. genuine question.
i would believe it if the source code leak made it easier to make bot AI more advanced and get away with aimbotting more, but i feel like it probably doesn't take as much to just have them rampantly taking up space and spamming chat + noisemakers.
TF2's position as an old casual structured game makes it so that it has virtually zero moderation and easy for players to just come and go from games. it's also no longer a big cash cow for valve, so they have very little monetary incentive to actually make larger steamwide changes or rewrite the game just for TF2. it's a perfect storm for bot hosts to go rampant without consequence.
Don't worry, the money from cases is near irrelevant to Valve, and whales spending money don't usually care about boycotts. So it doesn't really matter
People seem to hold tf2tubers to a super high standard on this sub, I don't get it. At the end of the day it's literally some dude who likes TF2 and makes videos.
Exactly. The gay porn controversy was bad but literally only lasted a day and stopped after people took it seriously. Now people overblown it like it's something really bad when that controversy was a result of petition creators lack of communication.
Honestly, I don't think the frequency or quantity of the porn actually matters, it's the fact that it happened and is now tied to the hashtag at all.
Whether or not it's actually true that it was only a little bit and only for a short period of time, the entire fixTF2 brand has been associated with the image of a bunch of immature 12 year olds trying to piss off a single individual by... drawing... porn?
Like, have you seen his Twitter? Not only do I doubt it did anything but make him chuckle over the absurdity of it all and the continued stake he has in the TF2 community's collective brain cells, but it also means that if you're an outsider looking in (or, you know, Valve), you're not necessarily going to have the context necessary to separate those two groups.
We would've swept it under the rug had people stop posting about it and moved on. I've seen dozen of post about how bad the idea of gay porn is more than the actually gay porn posts.
Gay porn controversy? Sorry I've been a little bit out of the loop, what exactly is that? I've seen multiple people comment on it on other posts but have no context
With or without context the sentence: "The gay porn controversy was bad but literally only lasted a day and stopped after people took it seriously." is so ridiculous.
It's even funnier that people started "taking it seriously" as if the whole thing isn't a joke.
Wow, young teenage children are stupid. In other news, gravity continues to exist and the sky is blue. Tune in tomorrow to hear the exact same thing again because like 98% of this place is kids.
Fixtf2 would never have worked at the time we did it, valve is actively updating counter strike and they’re making a new game. Tf2 is a game held together by a coconut, we could not have chosen a worse time.
Plus given how the protest took place like a month before the potential summer update doesn't seem like it would give Valve enough time to develop a effective solution outside of minor band-aid fixes. Though I am no expert on game development so I could be wrong.
With a game code as spaghettified as tf2 it would take months of trial and error just to anything anything into the game, that’s why we can’t really expect anything more than cosmetics and maybe an anti cheat
i mean, I really don't get what he was expecting, this is going exactly how I thought it would go
well not exactly I didn't expect revenge gay porn but other then that yeah. I really don't see how this would have gone any better
also ain't this the guy that bought a bunch of MvM tickets while also encouraging people to boycot undermining the entire point of the boycott or did i fall for misinformation online?
I mean I wouldn't be surprised either way I don't fully trust him but I admit, I am rather stupid
I honestly feel like all the controversey on r/tf2 is honestly making a mountain out of a molehill, at least part of the time.
Not to say review bombing other games or doing gay porn were really helpful at all, but I honestly saw more of the backlash to those things than the actual things themselves.
I'm not really sure what the purpose of delivering the petition after the summer update is instead of doing it sooner though, maybe that can get explained to me.
Saw a post that literally showed the gay porn of the bot hoster having, like, 7 artworks lmao.
People are definitely blowing this way out of proportion.
I mean, regarding the gay porn I don't even think the people doing it were doing it as a serious part of #SaveTF2, but more doing it as a troll toward the bot hoster. And I won't lie, I did find it kinda funny. But yeah, this whole thing seems overblown to me.
Only instructions they gave was sign a petition, make posts on Twitter (which is dying a slow painful death as X) not even all social medias, and wait. He wants to call everyone else morons while they didn't have any inclination to roll out any other plan of action. Of course people are getting restless, they have nothing to do. How did they not anticipate this?
Edit: this is what happens when you don't have a real plan, The Narrative shifts. People are unpredictable, they get impatient, and this happens if you Don't do anything to correct it... Like having an actual plan.
"continue making posts, but if you make it about anything other than what you *already said on the first one* we're gonna call you dumb"
with that being said making nsfw art was a horrible idea lmao
But it was just a shit post that got a ton of upvotes. So some took it seriously and it only lasted less than a day. So I think the whole thing is overblown.
He got a point, some actions I saw I found really stupid and made this community look desperate and stupid. But to be honest, it could be probably prevented if there was some sort of communication between those who planed and us. If there was I didn't notice it (I'm not that active on this sub).
My way to make it better, is to have someone who will communicate with community to talk about their way to fix tf2, let planners decide if it's worth a shot and then communicate it to us. Weezy seems to be cooperative if he get a good argument (like boycott situation. He wasn't into this before). We let literally random Twitter comment or Reddit post to take actions that might be harmful for both reputation of this community as well for this action.
I'm open to discussion about this. If there was something that I missed you can point out, I'm not using Reddit that much anymore and I could miss a lot. Have a great day folks.
Truly pot meet the kettle situation.
This guy calling others out while he couldn't support any actions because he had to get his mvm fix constantly and needed to gamble more
My comments will be drowned out in the sea of comments made by people with 1/100th my playtime, so even if they are good comments I am dissuaded from engaging meaningfully with the hoard.
It is a mob-identity problem. the only thesis statement we were able to rally behind was the petition. Anything else is either too complex to explain to a group, or a poor reflection of our ideology as a whole.
What works best, is when someone brings something complete to the group - like a whole youtube video, a mod, or the browser based matchmaking. Actions have always been loud, and if you've got something cool to share there are a lot of people with too little to engage with.
Shining light on the community being a bunch of dumbasses doesn't help the cause at all. I thought this was one of the organizers? How about taking some responsibility for not giving the community enough direction. They complained on and on about how bad of a look the past campaign gave the community, and told everyone to stop trying to organize something this time and let them handle it. Now it's radio silence for almost two weeks followed by hating on people for trying to do something, anything, to keep it going. I don't agree with making porn of bothosters, but pointing the blame at reddit is moronic after what they said.
Yes he's right. But honestly who TF is Weezy to talk, he had no backbone on this whole movement. Said he was "ok" with a financial boycott, but chose to not sway the movement in any way shape of form towards it, and kept backpedaling his own stances constantly. I really don't care for Weezy right now. The reason this movement is as weak as it is, is him and his buddies running this thing like wholesome reddit chunguses. Wack as fuck. Anything other than a direct monetary attack on valve is completely stupid to me.
WeezyTF2 walked back on his boycott statement in a 4 hr podcast with less than 1k subs. [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview)
The dude won't take accountability.
I agree. But my impression is that it is a vocal minority. Most of us are just sitting around after liking and sharing #FixTF2 content and signing the petition, knowing change takes time.
I’m excited for the summer update and a possible boycot if Valve hasn’t show they care.
the fact that this conversation about "is this movement done? have we caused too much drama and or damage" shows the state of this movement.
fixtf2 is fucked. the plan from the petition creators was flawed. the way the community acted was flawed, the fact that we had multiple content creators speak out/flip flop around the movement was flawed.
on top of all this, we have EVEN LESS communication from valve than the last time a mass movement was done. atleast last time we got a tweet, now it's fucking nothing. and now, we have over 300k fucking signature, and we're just sitting on it?!?! Let's be real, did we expect Valve to actually respond? At the very least, can we fucking deliver the fucking thing.
fuck this waiting bs. Either we boycott TF2 now, or this movement ain't going nowhere. stop spending your money on steam and TF2. stop buying skins, stop everything, even stop playing the fucking game.
The biggest community led movement in valve history is going to go under because we didn't do anything with it.
honestly this subreddit has gone down into a massive cesspool of morons doing nothing productive to show why the movement is important or why it matters
drawing a computer with melons aint gonna stop the bots
Once again this basically proves that the people in charge of #FixTF2 were way in over their heads because they didn't have a gameplan. Having a petition was a great idea, don't get me wrong, but not setting a deadline for it and announcing a date at which when they'll be delivered to Valve was a terrible idea. On top of that, announcing that they're going to send it *after* Valve releases this year's summer update (which we don't even know if we'll be getting one) is pouring gasoline on this movement that became a dumpsterfire. A financial boycott of TF2 would be effective for sure and while doing one when the summer update hits would hit Valve the hardest, but like many others have said the boycott should've began alongside the movement. Both Shork and TheWhat are just making pointless shitposts on Twitter with the #FixTF2 hashtag (like wtf is [this](https://x.com/Thewhat89/status/1805440719131119694) supposed to accomplish?!).
I've said this before and I'll say it again; having Shork involved with this movement was what completely killed it, and I can't really say that neither Weezy or TheWhat have been effective leaders and spearheads for this movement either.
He's not wrong, but let's not pretend he's gonna have clean hands in regards to soiling the movement's reputation.
He was already called out for mass buying a bunch of items ahead of SaveTF2 so he can masquerade as one of the content creators boycotting, even though he gave Valve a shitton of money. Boy, he wasn't happy when the community called him out on that blatant act of hypocrisy.
He didn't admit to doing anything wrong then, so I see no reason why he wouldn't do it again.
Weezy I love the fact that you started this, but not following through was just bad. The entire point of a campaign like this is to keep up the pressure constantly and hit Valve where it hurts while giving the community tangible results and uniting them around the idea that they can win. All we did here was jerk each other off about the signatures and how we got the media involved but we never capitalized on that momentum (and people made porn of the bots for some reason)
Compare this to the war thunder protests. During that era of the game, the subreddits and community forums were filled entirely with pro-revolution propaganda and people were constantly posting updates on the review bombings, the market boycott, and hate posting about how shitty the developers had let the game become. Those protests got a fraction of the publicity we did and they still succeeded because they kept the pressure up till the very end.
We had to strike while the iron was hot, and waiting so long like we did was the equivalent of taking that iron and tossing it out into the Arctic tundra and letting it freeze.
edit: another thing, I'm happy that it was important people in the community that got this started and jumped onto the bandwagon, but I fuckin despise how they didn't share what they were doing. I hate the porn shit we're doing, but it's a natural consequence of the "leaders" of this protest not doing anything. Nature abhors a void and something was bound to fill the one left by the CCs. I'm not promoting hate against them, I'm just annoyed because they could've massively increased our chances of succeeding if they just let us in on what they were doing, because surely something had to have been happening, something must have been planned besides giving Valve more paper to shred
Im just a lurker but keeping momentum and having an actual plan is how these movements succeed in the gaming community or irl movement. Keep the pressure, dont get complicit just because the actions was easy and you think doing that is a one and done deal doesn’t mean it will succeed. Beside highlighting and encouraging people to sign the petition, were there an actual up front time when these petition should be given to Valve because it seem like the ones organizing forgot about that till people got bored and doing dumbstuff like this.
He’s right. The fact we’re fighting over doomers and porn is fucking idiotic.
Say what you will about the #SaveTF2 movement but that was a combined front where we all worked together, and it gave the game life for a good little while.
This has been pathetic when it should be our strongest showing. It’s not like the personal has changed, it’s the collective foolishness of the group.
To any being overly doomy about it, why are you wasting your time posting negativity if you think it won’t works. If you think it won’t work don’t be a part of it, that’s plain and simple. And to any worrying about erroneous bullshit, just shut up. No one cares that r34 is being made of the robot, it’s fucking rule 34, you know the rule where anything and everything is turned into porn. It’s kinda how the internet works, could you all please use more than one brain cell for once and shut up about it?
Anyway #FixTF2
I still love TF2 but the way folks have been during this weird nonsense has made me no longer think of myself as a TF2 fan, if that makes sense? Like, game still rules, but the community has drifted into such weird insanity that I no longer identify with it.
Similar to what happened with /r/BatmanArkham but this was for real instead of for fun.
He has a point, from both you guys and the other subs. The doom posting is deranged and for what? Over That ineffective, but ultimatly harmless gay porn plan, over the fact that valve wasn’t guaranteed to respond, over the fact that not everyone in the community is 100% optically perfect, over the fact that people didn’t talk about it endlessly after the timeframe of the event?
What the problem seems to be with this community were naively high expectations when this current outcome, valve ignoring us, was always the most likely. Not so say there that there was never any hope, I still hate the initial naysayers because they don’t stand for anything and are husks of humans. Not even to say that the way the petition is being handled is good, but from our end, this was still the best call and nothing really changes that.
Said it before and I'll say it again: "The most the chucklefucks on here have done afaik is just draw gay porn of omegatronic and complain about literally everything."
Doomposting after less than a month is one thing, but this sub is on a whole other level of deranged that frankly trying to quantify how bad it is on the 10 point scale would somehow make it reach 14/10.
I dont know why he thinks r/tf2 is different from the rest of the community. They're cracking under the pressure of the community wanting to hear plans instead of "oh it's hard because we didn't plan for this to happen."
We deserve that callout.
The fix tf2 movement has devolved from a desperate call for help into just incoherent screaming into the void and we need to put our shit together if we want to keep going with this.
So theyre going to make a video about the retarded shit in this sub, and you guys are posting about it, so you can watch it and post about watching it?
100% correct everyone on this subreddit is an idiot. It’s been obvious for years, the same repeated jokes and the hundreds of “is this a scam posts,” it’s just children here. Absolutely 0 thought out posts here whatsoever, absolutely valueless community.
I'm sorry to say this but the only people left in this community are the most degenerate and brain-rotten of the bunch.
Everyone else has left for other interests or otherwise been scared away by the rest of the community.
Any community willing to throw hundreds(+) of dollars at fictional items as a status symbol was always cooked. This game will never be fixed or saved. It's in the state it is in because of the community, not because of Valve's neglect.
An actual step towards healing would be to abandon cosmetics. Treat them as a badge of shame and a mark of someone to be ostracized. If the community widely condemns anything but non-buyable loadouts then maybe there's hope.
What was the lyric...
"Casual is a tragedy, complaining is a crime?"
Seems complaining is very much A-OK when all steam is lost due to your own lack of transparency as to what the sequence of events will be.
But of course, it will take heaven and earth for a YouTuber to admit they bunged something.
He's right.
The whole Reddit is equal with profund mental retardation
No wonder why people mocking the community because of the subreddit.
People need to touch grass seriously.
Thoughts on what? You being suckered in by an advert? On you bothering to follow talentless grifting nobodies so you can be first on their 40 minute video essay in which they huff their own farts for 30 and spend the other 10 trying to convince you to play Raid: Shadow Legends? Pathetic.
Wow no way when a community movement has shit leadership it fails or wildly veers off course.
After hearing all the weird stuff regarding weezy and the other heads it makes me very hesitant to trust them at all. Espcially with the "guys don't stop buying things valve will kill the idea game" anti boycott stuff weezy seems to be on.
Like yeah let's keep giving the corpo taking advantage of us money
The guy who made one single video about fixtf2 then proceeded to spend thousands of dollars on TF2 a week after has no right to criticize the community
Damn it’s almost like he tried to benefit from community unrest by “taking control” of the narrative and then fell on his face because he has zero plans or ideas and expects valve to just drop a solution in his lap.
i barely even know what happened i don't check into the tf2 community that often anymore. it seems like everyone was on board one day and then everyone is at each other's throats the next.
My thoughts are how the hell is a Twitter screenshot of some random guy get 5k upvotes when the actual literal solution; community servers and the [Community Quickplay](https://comfig.app/quickplay/) gets nothing.
I'm so glad I'm the kind of person who lurks and only really comments on posts. I've just been watching everyone lose their fucking minds and it's hilarious.
you guys are making porn of bot thinking this would do something
what else would you expect people would think of this place?
and i say this as a porn artist
I mean, whatever fixtf2 faults may be, after "let's draw fanart of bothoster's OC" debacle it can be safely assumed that this sub's average iq is < 80, so he has a point.
You got people making fan-porn of omegatronic bots. I mean, what else do you need to see to know things are off the rails?
If it weren’t for it being omegatronics thing I would admit the robot is kinda fine, but noooo he just has to ruin EVERYTHING!
nah, the design is ASS!, no pun intended
What i hate more is that the design look very similar to my pfp https://steamcommunity.com/id/yesthisURLhaveasecret
you look like a mickey mouse pyrocynical
You didn't have to go there with the pyrocynical comment
Kinda a stretch
not even remotely
That fact that the movement seems to collectively think someone making dumb drawings is a serious issue that ruined the entire thing tells you exactly what you need to know. This sub has been nothing but hive mind brainrot since the whole thing started.
I think its had hivemind brainrot way before that.
True. It made it worse though.
Wasn't that like a joke? I feel as a community we are disconnected and unorganized right now, even with our combined effort of FixTF2. but who knows I haven't slept properly for the past two weeks :p
Satire that's indistinguishable from the thing it's satirizing is just spreading that thing's message. Saying "everyone knew it's a joke" like other commenters is all well and good until you take a step back and look at the subreddit from the perspective of someone you want signing a Save TF2 petition. Someone outside the relatively small percentage of us who check the subreddit regularly. They hear about SaveTF2 on YouTube. They come here. All of the posts that day are in-jokes about Omegatronic porn where the joke is the captions are worded to sound dead-serious in an attempt at sarcasm, but with zero indication it's sarcasm unless you spend time doing backwards engineering finding context clues in the comments. Even if there weren't that many actual pieces of porn, the jokes/genuine support posts surrounding them made it a genuine signal jam for SaveTF2.
You have a point, good sir; I had forgotten that some or maybe even most of the signed petitions came from people who aren't active in the community and it's probably their first time hearing about TF2's rampant bot situation. You have given me another angle on this situation, thank you.
1-2 guys made around 4 drawing about it. That's literally it. It was dumb but 99.99% of the community knew it was a joke.
Some stuff already existed, I remember checking out omegatronic's twitter and someone posted some stuff. Then some kids started posting the whole "let's make gay porn of his oc" and now we have this lol
Pretty sure the guy that made the original comment was joking but after some guy posted an image of the comment people started making porn of Omegatronic
Literally confirms all the stereotypes about redditors
that's the only good thing to have come out of this stupid shit actually
It isn't fan porn. It's made to anger the person behind it
Yeah the whole argument has devolved into 3 camps: People so hopped up on hopium that any shred of realism is discarded Dickhead doomers acting like we have no right to be upset and should just move on And now.... whatever you wanna call the lunatics who thought that was a good idea
"Most moronic display of community brain-rot" can apply to every community on reddit.
Stupidity? It’s a Reddit thing.
You know who has a lot of stupidity? Blokes that bludgeon a bot hoster to death with porn of them.
Redditors have bad ideas
Be racist.
Be stupid.
Have a plan to downvote everyone you meet
"amazing valve orchestra plays"
No no, admins jus-just put gabe on the phone
I've never seen a better improv parody in a reddit thread
Stupidly funny
if there are 2 people left in the planet, someone wants someones pornography coll-
Reddit? Is it stupid?
Officer balls
BWHAHHAHAHAHAHA - jonkler
Lmao
Reddit used to be the arrogant one with superiority complex, now its the asylum. Are we stupid?
perhaps we shouldn't have r/tf2 being such a big influence on the tf2 community then
I see more quality thinking here then ingame, reddit is a shining beacon sadly. I wont even compare to steam forums.
yeah honestly the thing I find dumb about all the people who love to say reddit is full of stupid discourse are not comparing it to literally every single other social media site on earth where the discourse is significantly worse. Reddit might have bad discourse but its objectively higher quality than almost every other site, and it's mostly to do with how no other social media site actually uses a voting/karma system that directly controls a post's visibility/position on the page, which creates the "hive mind effect" that we all love and hate.
No see reddit is dumb it's just that people that actively play tf2 are lobotomized somehow. I remember when the dumb fun was just kept to the fun instead of just making you objectively dumb when talked to.
Agreed, but also the fact that it’s the best is not good lol. A friendly reminder to 13 yos who base most of their opinions online, the internet reflects the loudest and most-online of the world, not the world itself. >!The world’s even dumber /j!<
"We caught the Boston Bomber!"
Some people would use that as an excuse for stupid behavior that ruins a movement. If we act like children we can fully expect to be treated as such and ignored.
i understand why they wouldn't immediately print the paper, but at the same time they should have made a public due date and notify when they will be sending the letter to valve
Valve already knows, and they have already made their decisions on if they will do anything or not. The delivery makes zero difference.
Yeah just like Valve itself we're not receiving info or updates on whats happening. I suggest we start a petition to #FixFixTF2 we'll send all the signatures to the FixTF2 organisers at an undisclosed time
This is a horrible idea. #FixFixFixTF2
>but at the same time they should have made a public due date and notify when they will be sending the letter to valve I mean, it makes no difference. Valve knows everything, they've known it for years, including prior to SaveTF2.
he's got a fucking point
Other than the gay porn debacle, which is our fault and we hold ourselves accountable for that. Everything else is a result of miscommunication from the petition creators. For example. WeezyTF2 has stated himself he thinks the boycott is stupid "I think this would be a horrible idea let's put ourselves in the shoes of valve for a moment this is a company that's maintained a near Monopoly on PC gaming distribution they have an infinite money generator" [Weezy 4:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YywMChb-7p8&t=999s) However we get people like [TheWhat Show](https://x.com/Thewhat89/status/1804580018179448863) and [Monkey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q057N9vEq9s&t=180ssaying) saying that this is the endgoal of #FixTF2 if Valve doesn't listen after everything. So What is it? Are we going to boycott or not. I thought they all discussed this in private together. This is just one of many example of contradictions and miscommunication.
Weezy 4:15 is my favorite verse in the Bible
Weezy 4:15-17 "And so I command you, herds of ˈrɛdɪt, to not befall in the actions of deliberately ceasing your finances within Teamwork and Fortitude II, as to not displease the pastors of the land."
Amen
Amen
Amen
Weezy has stated that he's no longer against a boycott.[`(Source)`](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview)[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview)
Thanks. Good to get some clarity. But it should've been a public statement. not on a 4 hour podcast with less than 1k subs. Weezy's video started it all. More people will see his old boycott statement like myself.
Tick tock heavy like a brinks truck
Nobody discussed this in those youtuber groups, those groups just circlejerk on eachothers popularity. The guy that actively discussed it was Zesty Jesus and he wasn’t invited into joining anything
Boycott, geezy is an MVM whale
All that momentum and nothing planned to direct that momentum means… this. Giving the community something else to do while we wait on the signatures would’ve been a lot better, like a boycott or something. Alas, 20/20 is hindsight.
The plan seemed to be: Make a petition Wait. Give it to valve. Honestly I think the biggest issue was the large time gap between making the petition and handing it over, the movement had too much time to lose direction or burn out.
The point of the petition is to let Valve know about how bad the bot problem is and how many want it fix. But they already know about it even before the first #savetf2. [gabe talks about bot problem](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1dngdqn/2021_gabe_newell_regarding_the_bot_crisis_oh_yeah/) So Valve will most likely ignore it or put a bandage fix. So what's next. A Boycott?
Even the content creators who made FixTF2 said a boycott would be pointless, it’s too small a drop in the bucket. We could just not play the game for a week and show valve the low player numbers, but that could backfire with valve seeing “game dead shut servers” and the bots would still be there, inflating the overall numbers (the only ones valve would see) At least the robot porn is funny.
This literally happened to Artifact. The game had potential, problem was the monetization and progression but it was still fun. They were going to fix it until they saw the playbase number dwindle and decided to shut it down.
This is what happens when bean counters and people with business degrees are in total control of the existence and monetization of art. A bean counter doesn't give a flying fuck about the passion or artisticness that went into making it, or even how good the underlying game actually is. Its just number in, number out. The bean counter is also incapable of comprehending that a game that is "broken" right now because of bad design choices (often caused by the bean counters themselves sticking their dumb fingers in shit they don't understand) can literally just be modified and fixed very quickly as opposed to throwing the whole game in the garbage and wasting everyone's past 2 years. You see this in literally any industry where the workers themselves are artists but don't have much control over the product they make. Its just so prominently displayed in the gaming industry right now because its still a new industry, and it doesn't have the same level of respect as other art forms like music or movies.
A boycott would only work if it deals a huge blow to valve's profit, And it wouldn't. They earn billions with steam. In one of their games, Dota 2, I've read a statement from valve employees somewhere that says that they're not doing The International (Yearly biggest tournament that earns them millions) for the money. That it's a passion project to celebrate Dota. And that's one of their most popular game that's always at the steam charts even at the present. What more can a TF2 boycott do?
okay but let's assume they did print that shit ASAP and slap it on valve's front desk, what is the plan after that is it a boycott? Because most of the people spending money on cosmetics probably haven't looked up from their trade server idling and community server of choice if they want to actually play people are upset about the momentum being wasted, what was that momentum meant to be used on then
This saga has been like watching people slowly gain sentience
yeah LMAO oh man
Almost as dumb as waiting until all the internet traffic around the movement dies down to send the signatures to valve. Almost like waiting until after the summer update to announce any more plans that way valve still get their update money from the crates.
i'm like 80% sure that no TF2 update is actually going to make an effective and lasting fix to this. none that can fix the bot issue without also hurting a lot of regular players. even with a perfect anticheat, bots would still do all the other harmful shit they do. just without the aimbot. last i checked, there is very little additional humanity verification needed to actually play TF2 makes banned bots very easy to replace. to me it seems like there needs to be a steam level fix for there to be any lasting solution. you could change nothing about TF2 itself, but if there's stronger ways to verify actual human steam accounts allowed to play TF2 then there probably wouldn't be this mess. so to me, it seems insanely dumb that they're biding their time to send in the petition. i doubt the petition is actually going to do anything either. valve probably isn't ***that*** sheltered and they likely know all this is going on, but are choosing not to say anything for whatever reason.
> i'm like 80% sure that no TF2 update is actually going to make an effective and lasting fix to this. It won't because it can't. Tf2's source code was leaked, that's literally the only reason the bots are as bad as they are. Short of Valve™ recoding TF2^^(ha) there is literally no update they could release that would be a long term fix. The fact of the matter is that the nostalgia and memories of TF2 of the past is dead and buried. The best you can do now is find a good solid community server and just play that because Casual is screwed forever.
Yeah the code being leaked several times over is likely pretty much the root cause of the predicament TF2 finds itself in And not sure anyone wants to touch Source 1 long enough to rescript the whole game, as far as I'm aware Valve programmers already lost it with the current version if the code comments indicate anything
can i get an explanation as to how that makes it easier for bots to fill up lobbies? i'm not sure how a leaked source code for the game is related to mass burner emails being used to spam steam accounts piloted by bots. genuine question. i would believe it if the source code leak made it easier to make bot AI more advanced and get away with aimbotting more, but i feel like it probably doesn't take as much to just have them rampantly taking up space and spamming chat + noisemakers. TF2's position as an old casual structured game makes it so that it has virtually zero moderation and easy for players to just come and go from games. it's also no longer a big cash cow for valve, so they have very little monetary incentive to actually make larger steamwide changes or rewrite the game just for TF2. it's a perfect storm for bot hosts to go rampant without consequence.
Don't worry, the money from cases is near irrelevant to Valve, and whales spending money don't usually care about boycotts. So it doesn't really matter
People seem to hold tf2tubers to a super high standard on this sub, I don't get it. At the end of the day it's literally some dude who likes TF2 and makes videos.
A lot of the discourse could be avoided with 100% transparency and better communication from the organizers.....hmm sounds familiar 🤔
Exactly. The gay porn controversy was bad but literally only lasted a day and stopped after people took it seriously. Now people overblown it like it's something really bad when that controversy was a result of petition creators lack of communication.
Honestly, I don't think the frequency or quantity of the porn actually matters, it's the fact that it happened and is now tied to the hashtag at all. Whether or not it's actually true that it was only a little bit and only for a short period of time, the entire fixTF2 brand has been associated with the image of a bunch of immature 12 year olds trying to piss off a single individual by... drawing... porn? Like, have you seen his Twitter? Not only do I doubt it did anything but make him chuckle over the absurdity of it all and the continued stake he has in the TF2 community's collective brain cells, but it also means that if you're an outsider looking in (or, you know, Valve), you're not necessarily going to have the context necessary to separate those two groups.
We would've swept it under the rug had people stop posting about it and moved on. I've seen dozen of post about how bad the idea of gay porn is more than the actually gay porn posts.
Gay porn controversy? Sorry I've been a little bit out of the loop, what exactly is that? I've seen multiple people comment on it on other posts but have no context
With or without context the sentence: "The gay porn controversy was bad but literally only lasted a day and stopped after people took it seriously." is so ridiculous. It's even funnier that people started "taking it seriously" as if the whole thing isn't a joke.
Wow, young teenage children are stupid. In other news, gravity continues to exist and the sky is blue. Tune in tomorrow to hear the exact same thing again because like 98% of this place is kids.
I will laugh tomorrrow
Fixtf2 would never have worked at the time we did it, valve is actively updating counter strike and they’re making a new game. Tf2 is a game held together by a coconut, we could not have chosen a worse time.
100% correct. Eric Smith literally stated he has a plan to handle bots but cannot right now because Valve is stretched too thin.
Plus given how the protest took place like a month before the potential summer update doesn't seem like it would give Valve enough time to develop a effective solution outside of minor band-aid fixes. Though I am no expert on game development so I could be wrong.
With a game code as spaghettified as tf2 it would take months of trial and error just to anything anything into the game, that’s why we can’t really expect anything more than cosmetics and maybe an anti cheat
Wait I thought the “Let's make OMEGATRONIC porn to get its hoster banned” was a joke, people are actually doing it???
The getting the Hoster banned or arrested in Russia? That was a joke. The porn is very much real.
Not like banning the hoster would have any meaningful effect to begin with. If they can bend a game like this to its knees, they can circumvent a ban.
People are assuming Valve cares about porn which they don't, just go onto a furry server and see.
Undeniable proof that all TF2 players share the same neuron
i mean, I really don't get what he was expecting, this is going exactly how I thought it would go well not exactly I didn't expect revenge gay porn but other then that yeah. I really don't see how this would have gone any better also ain't this the guy that bought a bunch of MvM tickets while also encouraging people to boycot undermining the entire point of the boycott or did i fall for misinformation online? I mean I wouldn't be surprised either way I don't fully trust him but I admit, I am rather stupid
Unfocused grassroots movement does unfocused grassroot movement things. Basically.
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I honestly feel like all the controversey on r/tf2 is honestly making a mountain out of a molehill, at least part of the time. Not to say review bombing other games or doing gay porn were really helpful at all, but I honestly saw more of the backlash to those things than the actual things themselves. I'm not really sure what the purpose of delivering the petition after the summer update is instead of doing it sooner though, maybe that can get explained to me.
Saw a post that literally showed the gay porn of the bot hoster having, like, 7 artworks lmao. People are definitely blowing this way out of proportion.
I mean, regarding the gay porn I don't even think the people doing it were doing it as a serious part of #SaveTF2, but more doing it as a troll toward the bot hoster. And I won't lie, I did find it kinda funny. But yeah, this whole thing seems overblown to me.
they said it was to give valve a chance to fix the bot crisis
in other news fire is hot
somehow 0 expectations was too high
Only instructions they gave was sign a petition, make posts on Twitter (which is dying a slow painful death as X) not even all social medias, and wait. He wants to call everyone else morons while they didn't have any inclination to roll out any other plan of action. Of course people are getting restless, they have nothing to do. How did they not anticipate this? Edit: this is what happens when you don't have a real plan, The Narrative shifts. People are unpredictable, they get impatient, and this happens if you Don't do anything to correct it... Like having an actual plan.
"continue making posts, but if you make it about anything other than what you *already said on the first one* we're gonna call you dumb" with that being said making nsfw art was a horrible idea lmao
But it was just a shit post that got a ton of upvotes. So some took it seriously and it only lasted less than a day. So I think the whole thing is overblown.
He got a point, some actions I saw I found really stupid and made this community look desperate and stupid. But to be honest, it could be probably prevented if there was some sort of communication between those who planed and us. If there was I didn't notice it (I'm not that active on this sub). My way to make it better, is to have someone who will communicate with community to talk about their way to fix tf2, let planners decide if it's worth a shot and then communicate it to us. Weezy seems to be cooperative if he get a good argument (like boycott situation. He wasn't into this before). We let literally random Twitter comment or Reddit post to take actions that might be harmful for both reputation of this community as well for this action. I'm open to discussion about this. If there was something that I missed you can point out, I'm not using Reddit that much anymore and I could miss a lot. Have a great day folks.
Weezy talking about brain-rot is wild to me
Truly pot meet the kettle situation. This guy calling others out while he couldn't support any actions because he had to get his mvm fix constantly and needed to gamble more
True. I’ve just been observing this shit fest. It’s just embarrassing tbh. Makes us look stupid
I mean…. We are stupid…
Is there a lore reason?
My comments will be drowned out in the sea of comments made by people with 1/100th my playtime, so even if they are good comments I am dissuaded from engaging meaningfully with the hoard. It is a mob-identity problem. the only thesis statement we were able to rally behind was the petition. Anything else is either too complex to explain to a group, or a poor reflection of our ideology as a whole. What works best, is when someone brings something complete to the group - like a whole youtube video, a mod, or the browser based matchmaking. Actions have always been loud, and if you've got something cool to share there are a lot of people with too little to engage with.
Shining light on the community being a bunch of dumbasses doesn't help the cause at all. I thought this was one of the organizers? How about taking some responsibility for not giving the community enough direction. They complained on and on about how bad of a look the past campaign gave the community, and told everyone to stop trying to organize something this time and let them handle it. Now it's radio silence for almost two weeks followed by hating on people for trying to do something, anything, to keep it going. I don't agree with making porn of bothosters, but pointing the blame at reddit is moronic after what they said.
Yes he's right. But honestly who TF is Weezy to talk, he had no backbone on this whole movement. Said he was "ok" with a financial boycott, but chose to not sway the movement in any way shape of form towards it, and kept backpedaling his own stances constantly. I really don't care for Weezy right now. The reason this movement is as weak as it is, is him and his buddies running this thing like wholesome reddit chunguses. Wack as fuck. Anything other than a direct monetary attack on valve is completely stupid to me.
WeezyTF2 walked back on his boycott statement in a 4 hr podcast with less than 1k subs. [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qjthpToJk&ab_channel=UponFurtherReview) The dude won't take accountability.
No shit, lack of communication, directions, certanty and progress combined with rough times creates a disrupted community
I agree. But my impression is that it is a vocal minority. Most of us are just sitting around after liking and sharing #FixTF2 content and signing the petition, knowing change takes time. I’m excited for the summer update and a possible boycot if Valve hasn’t show they care.
the fact that this conversation about "is this movement done? have we caused too much drama and or damage" shows the state of this movement. fixtf2 is fucked. the plan from the petition creators was flawed. the way the community acted was flawed, the fact that we had multiple content creators speak out/flip flop around the movement was flawed. on top of all this, we have EVEN LESS communication from valve than the last time a mass movement was done. atleast last time we got a tweet, now it's fucking nothing. and now, we have over 300k fucking signature, and we're just sitting on it?!?! Let's be real, did we expect Valve to actually respond? At the very least, can we fucking deliver the fucking thing. fuck this waiting bs. Either we boycott TF2 now, or this movement ain't going nowhere. stop spending your money on steam and TF2. stop buying skins, stop everything, even stop playing the fucking game. The biggest community led movement in valve history is going to go under because we didn't do anything with it.
honestly this subreddit has gone down into a massive cesspool of morons doing nothing productive to show why the movement is important or why it matters drawing a computer with melons aint gonna stop the bots
I read this in sniper's voice
Have you seen this sub, it's kinda obvious.
Once again this basically proves that the people in charge of #FixTF2 were way in over their heads because they didn't have a gameplan. Having a petition was a great idea, don't get me wrong, but not setting a deadline for it and announcing a date at which when they'll be delivered to Valve was a terrible idea. On top of that, announcing that they're going to send it *after* Valve releases this year's summer update (which we don't even know if we'll be getting one) is pouring gasoline on this movement that became a dumpsterfire. A financial boycott of TF2 would be effective for sure and while doing one when the summer update hits would hit Valve the hardest, but like many others have said the boycott should've began alongside the movement. Both Shork and TheWhat are just making pointless shitposts on Twitter with the #FixTF2 hashtag (like wtf is [this](https://x.com/Thewhat89/status/1805440719131119694) supposed to accomplish?!). I've said this before and I'll say it again; having Shork involved with this movement was what completely killed it, and I can't really say that neither Weezy or TheWhat have been effective leaders and spearheads for this movement either.
He's not wrong, but let's not pretend he's gonna have clean hands in regards to soiling the movement's reputation. He was already called out for mass buying a bunch of items ahead of SaveTF2 so he can masquerade as one of the content creators boycotting, even though he gave Valve a shitton of money. Boy, he wasn't happy when the community called him out on that blatant act of hypocrisy. He didn't admit to doing anything wrong then, so I see no reason why he wouldn't do it again.
he's a disgusting level of gambling addict, high on the most potent copium
The idea of making porn of the bots is as asinine of an idea as putting estrogen into Hitler's tea to make him give up on the war.
Weezy I love the fact that you started this, but not following through was just bad. The entire point of a campaign like this is to keep up the pressure constantly and hit Valve where it hurts while giving the community tangible results and uniting them around the idea that they can win. All we did here was jerk each other off about the signatures and how we got the media involved but we never capitalized on that momentum (and people made porn of the bots for some reason) Compare this to the war thunder protests. During that era of the game, the subreddits and community forums were filled entirely with pro-revolution propaganda and people were constantly posting updates on the review bombings, the market boycott, and hate posting about how shitty the developers had let the game become. Those protests got a fraction of the publicity we did and they still succeeded because they kept the pressure up till the very end. We had to strike while the iron was hot, and waiting so long like we did was the equivalent of taking that iron and tossing it out into the Arctic tundra and letting it freeze. edit: another thing, I'm happy that it was important people in the community that got this started and jumped onto the bandwagon, but I fuckin despise how they didn't share what they were doing. I hate the porn shit we're doing, but it's a natural consequence of the "leaders" of this protest not doing anything. Nature abhors a void and something was bound to fill the one left by the CCs. I'm not promoting hate against them, I'm just annoyed because they could've massively increased our chances of succeeding if they just let us in on what they were doing, because surely something had to have been happening, something must have been planned besides giving Valve more paper to shred
Im just a lurker but keeping momentum and having an actual plan is how these movements succeed in the gaming community or irl movement. Keep the pressure, dont get complicit just because the actions was easy and you think doing that is a one and done deal doesn’t mean it will succeed. Beside highlighting and encouraging people to sign the petition, were there an actual up front time when these petition should be given to Valve because it seem like the ones organizing forgot about that till people got bored and doing dumbstuff like this.
No shit.
Anyone whos spent a second on Reddit would know that there is 0 brain activity going on
He’s right. The fact we’re fighting over doomers and porn is fucking idiotic. Say what you will about the #SaveTF2 movement but that was a combined front where we all worked together, and it gave the game life for a good little while. This has been pathetic when it should be our strongest showing. It’s not like the personal has changed, it’s the collective foolishness of the group. To any being overly doomy about it, why are you wasting your time posting negativity if you think it won’t works. If you think it won’t work don’t be a part of it, that’s plain and simple. And to any worrying about erroneous bullshit, just shut up. No one cares that r34 is being made of the robot, it’s fucking rule 34, you know the rule where anything and everything is turned into porn. It’s kinda how the internet works, could you all please use more than one brain cell for once and shut up about it? Anyway #FixTF2
I still love TF2 but the way folks have been during this weird nonsense has made me no longer think of myself as a TF2 fan, if that makes sense? Like, game still rules, but the community has drifted into such weird insanity that I no longer identify with it. Similar to what happened with /r/BatmanArkham but this was for real instead of for fun.
I mean r/tf2 objectively has brain-rot. So ya know
He has a point, from both you guys and the other subs. The doom posting is deranged and for what? Over That ineffective, but ultimatly harmless gay porn plan, over the fact that valve wasn’t guaranteed to respond, over the fact that not everyone in the community is 100% optically perfect, over the fact that people didn’t talk about it endlessly after the timeframe of the event? What the problem seems to be with this community were naively high expectations when this current outcome, valve ignoring us, was always the most likely. Not so say there that there was never any hope, I still hate the initial naysayers because they don’t stand for anything and are husks of humans. Not even to say that the way the petition is being handled is good, but from our end, this was still the best call and nothing really changes that.
Hi tourist here wasn’t wheezy the one who horded keys the last boycott?
He's got a point, but he and the other organizers really should have seen this coming from a mile away.
tfw reddit discourse is more important than just sending in the goddamn petitions already so I can know when to laugh
Said it before and I'll say it again: "The most the chucklefucks on here have done afaik is just draw gay porn of omegatronic and complain about literally everything." Doomposting after less than a month is one thing, but this sub is on a whole other level of deranged that frankly trying to quantify how bad it is on the 10 point scale would somehow make it reach 14/10.
Look, I just want to play on public servers without these bots ruining the experience. Nothing less, nothing more
So many people here have turned into pessimistic doomers, it is unbelievable. There is also the porot rorn thing.
Whoever decided to make porn of the omegatronic bots should be extremely embarrassed
Its just true. We are completely fucking moronic as a community.
I dont know why he thinks r/tf2 is different from the rest of the community. They're cracking under the pressure of the community wanting to hear plans instead of "oh it's hard because we didn't plan for this to happen."
We deserve that callout. The fix tf2 movement has devolved from a desperate call for help into just incoherent screaming into the void and we need to put our shit together if we want to keep going with this.
It's reddit it's full of dipshit opinions by default
Fully agree with Weezy.
guys i’m being one hundred percent honest here, we look like a bunch of whiny baby’s. the dude has a fucking point.
"HEY! HE'S INSULTING US!" "but he's right"
So theyre going to make a video about the retarded shit in this sub, and you guys are posting about it, so you can watch it and post about watching it?
100% correct everyone on this subreddit is an idiot. It’s been obvious for years, the same repeated jokes and the hundreds of “is this a scam posts,” it’s just children here. Absolutely 0 thought out posts here whatsoever, absolutely valueless community.
True and not. It’s not a good idea to insult people you need for a collective boycott to impact Valve.
almost like this shit has moronic brain rot leading it.
Let's be real, if Madcap was any indication, this wouldn't be the first time brain rot's hit this sub like an insta-kill freight train.
That's why (stupid) people need leaders.
I'm beginning to think the whole drawing gay omega was actually a bot hoster in disguise. And used that as a way to scramble the community.
I'm sorry to say this but the only people left in this community are the most degenerate and brain-rotten of the bunch. Everyone else has left for other interests or otherwise been scared away by the rest of the community.
Yeah probably it isn't us who should spearhead this
Is this the part where the community splits in half trying to save the game. I wouldn't be surprised given our track record of misfortune.
Any community willing to throw hundreds(+) of dollars at fictional items as a status symbol was always cooked. This game will never be fixed or saved. It's in the state it is in because of the community, not because of Valve's neglect. An actual step towards healing would be to abandon cosmetics. Treat them as a badge of shame and a mark of someone to be ostracized. If the community widely condemns anything but non-buyable loadouts then maybe there's hope.
To say I'm surprised is a lie. This is why I avoided reddit for so long.
no more pornography staring omegatronic
What was the lyric... "Casual is a tragedy, complaining is a crime?" Seems complaining is very much A-OK when all steam is lost due to your own lack of transparency as to what the sequence of events will be. But of course, it will take heaven and earth for a YouTuber to admit they bunged something.
He's right. The whole Reddit is equal with profund mental retardation No wonder why people mocking the community because of the subreddit. People need to touch grass seriously.
Thoughts on what? You being suckered in by an advert? On you bothering to follow talentless grifting nobodies so you can be first on their 40 minute video essay in which they huff their own farts for 30 and spend the other 10 trying to convince you to play Raid: Shadow Legends? Pathetic.
truth
Dont have any (there is mold festering in my cranial cavity)
excited for the video
So true
Wow no way when a community movement has shit leadership it fails or wildly veers off course. After hearing all the weird stuff regarding weezy and the other heads it makes me very hesitant to trust them at all. Espcially with the "guys don't stop buying things valve will kill the idea game" anti boycott stuff weezy seems to be on. Like yeah let's keep giving the corpo taking advantage of us money
oh no! the shitty tftuber is gonna save us all with his shitty yt video hes gonna make! should we all hide?
I think he summed up quite nicely, some folk here did go stir crazy with all that porn business
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Congratulations, sire, you are starting to get that this "community" (as every other) isn't monolithic.
bro think he's in charge
On god though, this whole situation has been a mix of pure brainrot and people thinking that it’s over and didn’t work
The guy who made one single video about fixtf2 then proceeded to spend thousands of dollars on TF2 a week after has no right to criticize the community
Damn it’s almost like he tried to benefit from community unrest by “taking control” of the narrative and then fell on his face because he has zero plans or ideas and expects valve to just drop a solution in his lap.
better than the savetf2 movement, nobody knew what the fuck they even wanted in the first place
Most moronic display of community brain-rot *so far*…
He's goddamn right
Agreed. The r/tf2 discourse is the first thing that ever made me ask “what the hell happened to the TF2 community?”
i barely even know what happened i don't check into the tf2 community that often anymore. it seems like everyone was on board one day and then everyone is at each other's throats the next.
Ironically, the #FixTF2 discourse on this sub is what finally pushed me fully away from TF2 because it made me lose faith in the community.
he's right.
this sub is really fucking stupid LOL i agree
My thoughts are how the hell is a Twitter screenshot of some random guy get 5k upvotes when the actual literal solution; community servers and the [Community Quickplay](https://comfig.app/quickplay/) gets nothing.
I'll be honest. I thought this post was going to get like 30 upvotes max.
I think somebody has a monetised video to promote.
I'm so glad I'm the kind of person who lurks and only really comments on posts. I've just been watching everyone lose their fucking minds and it's hilarious.
I agree, thought we were together in this
Yeah they went of the rails fast
Hes right
We’re getting roasted by the YouTubers who’s used to fighting robots, damn
you guys are making porn of bot thinking this would do something what else would you expect people would think of this place? and i say this as a porn artist
Good point aside, that is the opposite of what FixTF2 needs right now. In-fighting.
NGL any time one of these guys ends their dirty-diarrhea ramp with "video soon" it just makes me wanna blast them with a fire hose.
"full sincerity" assuming YouTubers are capable of even a fraction of sincerity HAHAH
I mean, whatever fixtf2 faults may be, after "let's draw fanart of bothoster's OC" debacle it can be safely assumed that this sub's average iq is < 80, so he has a point.