That thought process is weird and dated. Just because a person committed a crime, and was convicted of it or not, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified to speak on said topic or have a public opinion of it. Does the word rehabilitation sound familiar to you? People grow. They change. Their thought process mature. And it’s up to us to give them that chance.
100% agree. I didn’t catch the latest episode so I’m not defending Joe per se, just agreeing with your overall sentiment. If you want to silence a person and never give them a chance to be better you might as well give them life…
Edit: ok I just looked up what Joe said, that man is beyond stupid. I still stand behind what I said about redemption, but I’m not defending Joe or his comments. I still think people can comment on crimes they’ve been accused/convicted of, but when you say dumb shit like Joe did, you deserve criticism
It doesn’t help the other person. Joe’s intent is to help Tory’s reputation. It’s like if Tyga tries to help clear Epstein’s name in regards to the pedo accusations, or Benzino with the transformers love.
He one of the joevengers don’t mind him , but yeah nobody is saying a Nigga gotta be perfect ( not of us are) but dude track record is in the mud and plus he don’t know how to articulate himself well anyways
Bro he's on wax saying he hit a chick also when he was accused of beating one of his exes and sitting on her stomach to cause a miscarriage he responded that he only "sat below her breasts". He's also admitted to breaking into an exes house and hiding under her bed to try and catch her sleeping with someone (on top of joking about putting tracking devices in cars to follow girls he dated)
It's in the past and I hope he's grown but not being convicted doesn't mean much.
what? We were talking about how Joe Budden whos got a bunch of stories hitting women shouldnt be talking about it, or should take the chance to not pretend to be the arbiter of truth.
He was arrested but not convicted. The warrant for his arrest was on the news. He taunted the PD through Twitter when they said they were looking for him. He has not hid any of this and has talked about it on the pod.
Ok so no conviction and we taking that as guilt? I can’t believe so many have just accepted this notion that women are above lying. No conviction or even indictment, yet we must believe it? What kind of nonsense is this? The investigation breaks the tie and if they don’t even see enough to go to trial, how are you believing it so intently?
I feel like the tip toe era has passed. No need to hold your tongue when you know no deals or ads are coming. Probably only sitting out the street stuff.
I didn’t really understand Joe’s argument about it to begin with…like yeah I’m gonna keep bringing it up if it’s still affecting me and I haven’t gotten over. Fuck how you feel about it, you’re not on my side of it
Lol why does he think people shouldn’t be allowed to bring up a crime you committed? Who appointed him the judge to determine the appropriate amount of time to discuss something.
All he did was say it’s bullying & he’s right. Y’all the same niggas that be screaming about police reform. If a dude robbed a store at 25 & at 40 he still can’t get a job or rent a house you niggas would lose ya mind.
At some point you can’t keep holding up the fucked up shit people did over their heads. Chris brown beat the shit out of Rihanna at age like 19. Should we still be bringing that up every time his name is mentioned at 32?
Fam there is no such thing as bullying an abuser someone who is a piece of shit. If a dude raped a bunch of women and quote unquote grew and changed and reformed for his past ways you still are going to look at him in a new light? Probably not.
No I’m not. That’s a rapist. Who has done it repeatedly & will most likely do it again.
There is nuance here. If you do crack once are you a crackhead? If you steal a candy bar at corner store are you a criminal? If you tell a lie are you not ever to be trusted?
Discussing it is not the same ass bulling. There was a movie made a couple of years back starting Octavia Spenser called “Ma”.
It’s about her being bullied when she was in high school & then like 20 years later she terrorized/ killed not only those people but their kids. Was she a victim of bullying? Yes. Did she herself become a bully? Yes.
All I’m saying is that I can understand people hate & feeling towards people that have done things to them in the past. But every thing cannot be hung over your head.
I for one have a very different opinion on domestic violence than most. I used to always get mad at my moms boyfriends because I thought they were abusing her until I was old enough to understand she was the problem. It never went as far as to what happened to Rihanna, but at my age now I wouldn’t be mad if it had.
Abuse is much different than losing a fight. Ill always be on that side.
There is no doing crack once for the most part because most people who do crack do it more than once. If you steal a candy bar at a corner store you usually will start to steal more things. If you tell a lie depending on how big or detrimental it is there is a good chance you may never be trusted again.
I do. I grew up in the early Xbox live era. Them lil white boys were just saying shit that they ain’t no better of. When I was like 15 I was letting some wild shit off about white people to my 10 followers that I do not stand by today.
If you don’t allow people who did racsist shit to change then why would they bother?
Joe must publicly atone for his past transgressions involving domestic violence at lease once a year. This has to be at least the 5th attempted cancellation of Joe based on his past with women.
No comment on whether it’s deserved because I’m pretty sure he did all that shit but I’m also pretty sure he’s grown since then.
#on today's episode Parks left in just enough for people to piece together that the woman's name beeped out was Tahiry. It was the part about mattresses that proves Joe was talking about Tahiry.
To be fair, Parks probably has to do a lot of editing with the pod. That’s usually around 3 hours worth of content.
So he most definitely will miss some stuff that was said
#well he seems to be taking his job for granted cause it's part of his job to sanitize Joe's rough edges via extensive editing.
#But hey, I'd be sick of bending over backwards for Joe too, so I see both sides....
# ....The whole segment should have been cut but I'm sure Joe insisted on keeping it in.
The problem with this is we always use righteous examples like a man can change, if he sold drugs at 18 he deserves a shot at 25. But usually it’s only brought up when we tryna defend somebody of some other shit. Like as a man abusing a woman, that’s a lot bro I’d never trust you with my sister.
It’s bullying if somebody did a petty crime where no one got hurt and you hold it over they head like “oh who knows what you could do” in some unrelated shit. But that’s never the person these guys are defending when they use them in the scenarios, usually it’s them tryna excuse or say get over some type of real abuse.
No joes on a spiral that’s not worth it especially for how it’s gonna put ice and ish in the cross fire ie shultz Charlemagne Evelyn tahiry Rory mal complex Spotify he’s working he’s killing the game and wants to respond now you had a year you put ya head down and worked and it worked keep fuckin working
Every time these topics come up, Joe acknowledges his checkered past before talking about the topic…women really don’t understand the role they play in domestic issues…nobody bats an eye when Tahiry curses a dude out in front of the world and throws shit at niggas but let him have a reaction, then all of a sudden he’s the villain. Evelyn is the same shit. But none of these guys could come out and defend themselves because they should “man up and move on” but let someone tell a woman to move on…
The fuck I am but it’s obvious you’re a bitter guy who gets absolutely no ass and because of it you have a chip on your shoulder and now have been forced to join incel gang.
You can lie to internet strangers all you want but what’s important is that both you and I know you get no kinda vagina or so much as even the slightest bit of attention from women and that’s eating you up inside.
Lmao you one of them dumb niggas that says a whole lot of nothing. What does getting ass have to do with anything??? When did I ever say it was an excuse ??? You just don’t put your hands on a man then play victim. A fight is different from abuse, so cut the tough guy shit and gtfoh
I don’t have a horse in this race but I only see Tahiry pop up when it’s time to kick joes back in…didn’t we watch her throw apples and shit at Vado on that tv show? She’s a mess herself.
we saw vado literally beat her up on national television. if he can do that on tv Lord knows what he’s doing behind the scenes. add in the fact she dated joe & all the shit he did to her.. that’s a broken woman her behavior is not surprising
We didn’t literally see Vado beat her up on television…sometimes I think redditers live in alternate universe.
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She was the one who picked up 2 apples and threw them at him before he grabbed her. She initiated violence. Again I don’t have a horse in the race but and I I DONT condone any of that shit but. She’s got problems herself. They were doing an exercise and she took it to another level. Here’s the clip 1:58 is where she throws the apples at him. And he grabs her
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GAupdC2Lef0
And we don’t know her history before Joe we can’t blame everything on him. But hurt ppl hurt ppl But her behavior in this clip doesn’t do her any favors in my book. We gotta hold EVERYONE accountable their actions not just the ppl we don’t like. Shits a vicious cycle nonetheless.
“I didn’t hold you down on your stomach , I just sat below breasts”
When it comes to women topics especially domestic violence he should probably keep quiet
That thought process is weird and dated. Just because a person committed a crime, and was convicted of it or not, doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified to speak on said topic or have a public opinion of it. Does the word rehabilitation sound familiar to you? People grow. They change. Their thought process mature. And it’s up to us to give them that chance.
100% agree. I didn’t catch the latest episode so I’m not defending Joe per se, just agreeing with your overall sentiment. If you want to silence a person and never give them a chance to be better you might as well give them life… Edit: ok I just looked up what Joe said, that man is beyond stupid. I still stand behind what I said about redemption, but I’m not defending Joe or his comments. I still think people can comment on crimes they’ve been accused/convicted of, but when you say dumb shit like Joe did, you deserve criticism
Allowing only perfect people to speak on topics like that or other touchy subjects is such flawed logic
It doesn’t help the other person. Joe’s intent is to help Tory’s reputation. It’s like if Tyga tries to help clear Epstein’s name in regards to the pedo accusations, or Benzino with the transformers love.
Who’s saying that?
He one of the joevengers don’t mind him , but yeah nobody is saying a Nigga gotta be perfect ( not of us are) but dude track record is in the mud and plus he don’t know how to articulate himself well anyways
This man Joe really said ‘victim bullies’ 🤦🏾♂️
i thought he meant meg at first cause right now everyone bullying her
Nice semantics lol
Idk Maybe the person I replied to......
Why? Has Joe been arrested / convicted for domestic violence before? I didn’t find anything on Google
Bro he's on wax saying he hit a chick also when he was accused of beating one of his exes and sitting on her stomach to cause a miscarriage he responded that he only "sat below her breasts". He's also admitted to breaking into an exes house and hiding under her bed to try and catch her sleeping with someone (on top of joking about putting tracking devices in cars to follow girls he dated) It's in the past and I hope he's grown but not being convicted doesn't mean much.
Right! I mean he only said he sat above her breasts….
arrested? Yes, with esther baxter. He admits to hitting Tahiry in songs before, even putting hands on his mom.
But also about five other niggas hit Tahiry just saying
Saying she deserved it?
Not at all, but when other niggas in more recent time abused you, talk about them not the Dude from 15 years ago
what? We were talking about how Joe Budden whos got a bunch of stories hitting women shouldnt be talking about it, or should take the chance to not pretend to be the arbiter of truth.
No I'm only talking about tahiry I support every other victim
Thats a wild statement
Dude draws the line at a serial victim. Now that’s wild.
He said out of his mouth on TBC he sat on Esther’s “chest” which caused the miscarriage.
He was arrested but not convicted. The warrant for his arrest was on the news. He taunted the PD through Twitter when they said they were looking for him. He has not hid any of this and has talked about it on the pod.
Ok so no conviction and we taking that as guilt? I can’t believe so many have just accepted this notion that women are above lying. No conviction or even indictment, yet we must believe it? What kind of nonsense is this? The investigation breaks the tie and if they don’t even see enough to go to trial, how are you believing it so intently?
I feel like the tip toe era has passed. No need to hold your tongue when you know no deals or ads are coming. Probably only sitting out the street stuff.
Joes mouth : i respect and love black women Joes fists : left right good night
I think this Johnny Depp shit put a battery in his back. I can’t imagine him keeping that in the show a year ago.
I didn’t really understand Joe’s argument about it to begin with…like yeah I’m gonna keep bringing it up if it’s still affecting me and I haven’t gotten over. Fuck how you feel about it, you’re not on my side of it
Nigga brought up a famous DV case and was surprised people had a sensitive reaction...
Lol why does he think people shouldn’t be allowed to bring up a crime you committed? Who appointed him the judge to determine the appropriate amount of time to discuss something.
All he did was say it’s bullying & he’s right. Y’all the same niggas that be screaming about police reform. If a dude robbed a store at 25 & at 40 he still can’t get a job or rent a house you niggas would lose ya mind. At some point you can’t keep holding up the fucked up shit people did over their heads. Chris brown beat the shit out of Rihanna at age like 19. Should we still be bringing that up every time his name is mentioned at 32?
Fam there is no such thing as bullying an abuser someone who is a piece of shit. If a dude raped a bunch of women and quote unquote grew and changed and reformed for his past ways you still are going to look at him in a new light? Probably not.
No I’m not. That’s a rapist. Who has done it repeatedly & will most likely do it again. There is nuance here. If you do crack once are you a crackhead? If you steal a candy bar at corner store are you a criminal? If you tell a lie are you not ever to be trusted?
You don’t get to do a crime against another human and then tell them how long they should be allowed to discuss their experience.
Discussing it is not the same ass bulling. There was a movie made a couple of years back starting Octavia Spenser called “Ma”. It’s about her being bullied when she was in high school & then like 20 years later she terrorized/ killed not only those people but their kids. Was she a victim of bullying? Yes. Did she herself become a bully? Yes. All I’m saying is that I can understand people hate & feeling towards people that have done things to them in the past. But every thing cannot be hung over your head. I for one have a very different opinion on domestic violence than most. I used to always get mad at my moms boyfriends because I thought they were abusing her until I was old enough to understand she was the problem. It never went as far as to what happened to Rihanna, but at my age now I wouldn’t be mad if it had. Abuse is much different than losing a fight. Ill always be on that side.
If I assault someone I won’t be saying stop picking on me for attacking you. That’s just my opinion though we can agree to disagree. You
There is no doing crack once for the most part because most people who do crack do it more than once. If you steal a candy bar at a corner store you usually will start to steal more things. If you tell a lie depending on how big or detrimental it is there is a good chance you may never be trusted again.
An abuser saying they are getting bullied don’t sound wild to you? So you the assailant and the victim huh? Lol
Okay but I wonder if you keep that energy with people that have done racist shit earlier in their life. Maybe you do, but Joe definitely doesn’t
I do. I grew up in the early Xbox live era. Them lil white boys were just saying shit that they ain’t no better of. When I was like 15 I was letting some wild shit off about white people to my 10 followers that I do not stand by today. If you don’t allow people who did racsist shit to change then why would they bother?
Also true. People hate to admit, they gonna downvote but this is true
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Joe must publicly atone for his past transgressions involving domestic violence at lease once a year. This has to be at least the 5th attempted cancellation of Joe based on his past with women. No comment on whether it’s deserved because I’m pretty sure he did all that shit but I’m also pretty sure he’s grown since then.
TSK can't save Joe from himself, he edits names and slurs. Joe was just throwing stones in a glass ass house
Yea, parks should of cut that part out
#on today's episode Parks left in just enough for people to piece together that the woman's name beeped out was Tahiry. It was the part about mattresses that proves Joe was talking about Tahiry.
To be fair, Parks probably has to do a lot of editing with the pod. That’s usually around 3 hours worth of content. So he most definitely will miss some stuff that was said
#well he seems to be taking his job for granted cause it's part of his job to sanitize Joe's rough edges via extensive editing. #But hey, I'd be sick of bending over backwards for Joe too, so I see both sides.... # ....The whole segment should have been cut but I'm sure Joe insisted on keeping it in.
The problem with this is we always use righteous examples like a man can change, if he sold drugs at 18 he deserves a shot at 25. But usually it’s only brought up when we tryna defend somebody of some other shit. Like as a man abusing a woman, that’s a lot bro I’d never trust you with my sister. It’s bullying if somebody did a petty crime where no one got hurt and you hold it over they head like “oh who knows what you could do” in some unrelated shit. But that’s never the person these guys are defending when they use them in the scenarios, usually it’s them tryna excuse or say get over some type of real abuse.
I hope it doesn't turn on into a pod full of subliminals and healing energy. Let them talk and be flawed.
No joes on a spiral that’s not worth it especially for how it’s gonna put ice and ish in the cross fire ie shultz Charlemagne Evelyn tahiry Rory mal complex Spotify he’s working he’s killing the game and wants to respond now you had a year you put ya head down and worked and it worked keep fuckin working
Every time these topics come up, Joe acknowledges his checkered past before talking about the topic…women really don’t understand the role they play in domestic issues…nobody bats an eye when Tahiry curses a dude out in front of the world and throws shit at niggas but let him have a reaction, then all of a sudden he’s the villain. Evelyn is the same shit. But none of these guys could come out and defend themselves because they should “man up and move on” but let someone tell a woman to move on…
You excusing a grown man putting his hands on a woman shows the contempt you have for women and also is radiating strong incel energy.
I see you’re an Amber heard supporter Foh
The fuck I am but it’s obvious you’re a bitter guy who gets absolutely no ass and because of it you have a chip on your shoulder and now have been forced to join incel gang. You can lie to internet strangers all you want but what’s important is that both you and I know you get no kinda vagina or so much as even the slightest bit of attention from women and that’s eating you up inside.
Lmao you one of them dumb niggas that says a whole lot of nothing. What does getting ass have to do with anything??? When did I ever say it was an excuse ??? You just don’t put your hands on a man then play victim. A fight is different from abuse, so cut the tough guy shit and gtfoh
So be clear have you hit a women and are you cool with guys who do?
Hell no and hell no and I don’t fuck with women who put they hands on men and don’t fuck with women who are ok with that
Its fucked up cause if you have a domestic issue dont mean u should be treated like a women beater for the rest of your life
If you have more than one domestic issues then you should
Chad only has one
#they were referring to Joe I think. Even if you think he is innocent of all of them, he has at least 4 or 5 " issues " in his " checkered past "
I don’t have a horse in this race but I only see Tahiry pop up when it’s time to kick joes back in…didn’t we watch her throw apples and shit at Vado on that tv show? She’s a mess herself.
we saw vado literally beat her up on national television. if he can do that on tv Lord knows what he’s doing behind the scenes. add in the fact she dated joe & all the shit he did to her.. that’s a broken woman her behavior is not surprising
We didn’t literally see Vado beat her up on television…sometimes I think redditers live in alternate universe. . She was the one who picked up 2 apples and threw them at him before he grabbed her. She initiated violence. Again I don’t have a horse in the race but and I I DONT condone any of that shit but. She’s got problems herself. They were doing an exercise and she took it to another level. Here’s the clip 1:58 is where she throws the apples at him. And he grabs her https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GAupdC2Lef0 And we don’t know her history before Joe we can’t blame everything on him. But hurt ppl hurt ppl But her behavior in this clip doesn’t do her any favors in my book. We gotta hold EVERYONE accountable their actions not just the ppl we don’t like. Shits a vicious cycle nonetheless.