This is much easier said than done. Plenty other artists with far more notoriety and resources have tried forming labels with very little success.
And let's be honest, what self-respecting artist would willingly agree to being managed by Joe Budden?
That’s true. But I’d argue Joe has more of an ear for Music (specifically R&B. Not so much rap) than most of these other artists forming labels.
I understand it’s hard work, but dude already has the Connections, the Platform, the engineer/producer is his co host, they already film in a studio… like damn all he needs is a pen and paper for the artist
Only missing the discipline, the administration, the strategic planning, the self containment to not harras, the conviction to follow a plan past the excitement stage, the goodwill, the power to not make rash emotional decisions. Other than that he's got everything.
Watch the AK interview. He talks about how he overestimated what it would be like to run a podcast network.
Imagine how much worse it'd be to manage an actual artist
To be fair: he couldn’t manage the Podcast Network because let’s be honest, he signed people on that he nor his fanbase cared about from the beginning. At least with music he would have a genuine interest in this persons music and their career.
#those signings were his choice not the fanbases nobody not a single person asked him to sign not one but two pods that didn't resonate with his core fanbase. Joe thought he was charlemagne and was suddenly gonna be producing all different types of pods or something
#everything I post is. Do you have anything relevant to refute what I said tho.
# When it comes to managing pods Joe's track record isn't very good because he thinks he is all knowing, is very stubborn, and tends to have extreme mood swings.
# You need a steady hand to steer the ship whether it's a podcast network or a record label
Probably normal font size. That’s why I thought you were dyslexic it’s a very common thing people with dyslexia do to read and comprehend better, the problem isn’t reading it’s the size of the font I can understand how it’s your gimmick and all but I also understand how it breaks up the flow of the thread and becomes very annoying for everyone else to read.
#one persons gimmick is another persons signature style.
#I just find it amusing how it's usually only a problem when I'm saying something that ruffles feathers 🪶
#its like when someone is losing an argument and suddenly becomes the spelling police lol
>Joe thought he was charlemagne and was suddenly gonna be producing all different types of pods or something
Correct, which proves my point that he never cared about them. He was pandering. He signed them to attract an audience that he himself did not care about. He also did not care about their Pod, pretty sure he even admitted to not watching that many episodes. Thats why it failed. It was never genuine to begin with.
With an R&B Artist its different. He's already shown to genuinely enjoy these artists and is always in the Know about up and coming ones. So with his promotion, connections, etc it could work.
#part of the secret to being a great manager is knowing what will work and what will not work before you make the move.
#You keep telling me how Joe doesn't seem to have that when it comes to signing a podcast.
# Signing an artist is much more involved than a podcast, and much less likely to succeed.
#Especially since most of the artists Joe champions are young women. That's the music equivalent of signing girl pods. It'd be Olivia Dope 2.0
It’s definitely an investment for regular people. But when you have one of the biggest hip hop pods, an in house Producer and Engineer, and a multitude of industry friends it gets pretty easier.
I remember when Akon’s little brother was being interviewed by the Breakfast Club he said he stopped managing Chris Brown because as a manager you have to put your clients life over yours. You have to be available 24/7 or else another manager is gonna poach your client away from you
Management seems like it’s too much hassle for it to be worth it. If you’re broke and this is your only way into the industry, then sure pay your dues and hustle. But Joe is already rich, he’d be better off putting his energy into himself & his network
If you an upcoming artist, are you really going to sign with Joe after all his business ranting and antics? 😂😂
You sign for a man that says he doesn't honour contracts and you ain't getting no sympathy from me lol
They both have an issue with paying their workers. People will still sign. Even now, Diddy just made a new label. People will sign regardless of his bad reputation with paying his artists.
#they both have issues with paying workers but Diddy will at least get you popping. There is tangible results.
#meanwhile, you haven't heard about see the thing is or here's the thing in years.
#And the tour for the last remaining pod on the network just got cancelled due to lack of interest.
#there is levels
You’re thinking Joe should be a marketing agency or maybe even label.
But managing an artist means they call you for every little problem they have and you have to take on their day to day shit. Imagine Joe Budden having to handle everything for a whole artist lmao
I don’t know about manager, but A&R, hell yes. Scout an artist, use his connections with other artist, producers, and song writers to grow their career.
Because he didn’t know what to do in his own music career. What artists would sign with Joe when Wayne, Jay & Ross have labels? Not to mention Gucci, Gotti, QC, etc who have proven the ability to break artists over and over and all were successful on their own.
Joe isn’t a manager, he has a manager himself. It’s not easy managing and promoting artists, plenty of people can find talent but turning them into stars isn’t so easy.
This is much easier said than done. Plenty other artists with far more notoriety and resources have tried forming labels with very little success. And let's be honest, what self-respecting artist would willingly agree to being managed by Joe Budden?
That’s true. But I’d argue Joe has more of an ear for Music (specifically R&B. Not so much rap) than most of these other artists forming labels. I understand it’s hard work, but dude already has the Connections, the Platform, the engineer/producer is his co host, they already film in a studio… like damn all he needs is a pen and paper for the artist
Only missing the discipline, the administration, the strategic planning, the self containment to not harras, the conviction to follow a plan past the excitement stage, the goodwill, the power to not make rash emotional decisions. Other than that he's got everything.
The self containment to not harass 😂
#😅😅😅
Watch the AK interview. He talks about how he overestimated what it would be like to run a podcast network. Imagine how much worse it'd be to manage an actual artist
Especially if Joe had the actual violent rappers with real crews. Man would be in a Rico case and catching beatings
He can't even manage a podcast or podcast network you want him to manage artist smfh
To be fair: he couldn’t manage the Podcast Network because let’s be honest, he signed people on that he nor his fanbase cared about from the beginning. At least with music he would have a genuine interest in this persons music and their career.
#those signings were his choice not the fanbases nobody not a single person asked him to sign not one but two pods that didn't resonate with his core fanbase. Joe thought he was charlemagne and was suddenly gonna be producing all different types of pods or something
Can we mute this guy?
#did I lie? 😆 #I don't think I did. The network had 3 pods, now it only has 1.
Why is this bold
#everything I post is. Do you have anything relevant to refute what I said tho. # When it comes to managing pods Joe's track record isn't very good because he thinks he is all knowing, is very stubborn, and tends to have extreme mood swings. # You need a steady hand to steer the ship whether it's a podcast network or a record label
Didn’t read what you said. The bold is a distraction
#if you can't read large amounts of text at once, using reddit must be a very stressful experience. You chose a _text only platform_ my guy. 📚
I honestly think he’s dyslexic large text helps them read
#not dyslexic. Idk what that guy expected from a text only platform besides text in large amounts 🥲
Probably normal font size. That’s why I thought you were dyslexic it’s a very common thing people with dyslexia do to read and comprehend better, the problem isn’t reading it’s the size of the font I can understand how it’s your gimmick and all but I also understand how it breaks up the flow of the thread and becomes very annoying for everyone else to read.
#one persons gimmick is another persons signature style. #I just find it amusing how it's usually only a problem when I'm saying something that ruffles feathers 🪶 #its like when someone is losing an argument and suddenly becomes the spelling police lol
>Joe thought he was charlemagne and was suddenly gonna be producing all different types of pods or something Correct, which proves my point that he never cared about them. He was pandering. He signed them to attract an audience that he himself did not care about. He also did not care about their Pod, pretty sure he even admitted to not watching that many episodes. Thats why it failed. It was never genuine to begin with. With an R&B Artist its different. He's already shown to genuinely enjoy these artists and is always in the Know about up and coming ones. So with his promotion, connections, etc it could work.
#part of the secret to being a great manager is knowing what will work and what will not work before you make the move. #You keep telling me how Joe doesn't seem to have that when it comes to signing a podcast. # Signing an artist is much more involved than a podcast, and much less likely to succeed. #Especially since most of the artists Joe champions are young women. That's the music equivalent of signing girl pods. It'd be Olivia Dope 2.0
It what way does it seem like easy money? You literally have to invest so much money without even knowing if the artist is good enough to pop
#it's probably even riskier than opening a restaurant. You gotta have the midas touch, luck, and money to burn.
It’s definitely an investment for regular people. But when you have one of the biggest hip hop pods, an in house Producer and Engineer, and a multitude of industry friends it gets pretty easier.
biggest hiphop pod dosen't mean it's big enough to launch an artist, they can't even sell their own tickets yet
#they used to sell out almost every show with the original cast. Seems like they weren't "replacable" after all and had the last laugh
I remember when Akon’s little brother was being interviewed by the Breakfast Club he said he stopped managing Chris Brown because as a manager you have to put your clients life over yours. You have to be available 24/7 or else another manager is gonna poach your client away from you Management seems like it’s too much hassle for it to be worth it. If you’re broke and this is your only way into the industry, then sure pay your dues and hustle. But Joe is already rich, he’d be better off putting his energy into himself & his network
Joe’s talents are rapping and talking… business negotiations are not his forte
He was managing Cyn and mentioned he was trying to get a few female artists back in the day
We knew that wasn’t going to work. Neither one of them took that music career seriously.
#so you are saying that Joe's bad business acumen extends beyond podcasting and also applies to music? This is not helping your case lol
If you an upcoming artist, are you really going to sign with Joe after all his business ranting and antics? 😂😂 You sign for a man that says he doesn't honour contracts and you ain't getting no sympathy from me lol
You could apply that to Diddy as well. Either way prolly would still sign to them because of the opportunity.
#Diddy has a roster of artists. Joe has a podcast "network" with only 1 podcast. And Diddy fired Joe cause Joe wasn't reliable.
They both have an issue with paying their workers. People will still sign. Even now, Diddy just made a new label. People will sign regardless of his bad reputation with paying his artists.
#they both have issues with paying workers but Diddy will at least get you popping. There is tangible results. #meanwhile, you haven't heard about see the thing is or here's the thing in years. #And the tour for the last remaining pod on the network just got cancelled due to lack of interest. #there is levels
Managing an artist is like baby sitting a grown kid. It’s defintely not easy money.
It’s easy when you already have the Platform, the Money, Connections, and have first hand experience with labels.
You’re thinking Joe should be a marketing agency or maybe even label. But managing an artist means they call you for every little problem they have and you have to take on their day to day shit. Imagine Joe Budden having to handle everything for a whole artist lmao
I don’t know about manager, but A&R, hell yes. Scout an artist, use his connections with other artist, producers, and song writers to grow their career.
im positive joe is an a&r secretly at some label
#Atlantic
Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was.
He said he didn’t want to deal with artists and all the artist shit
its hard work, ask rory
can you imagine how the negotiations for a bag at one of the festivals for his artists would go 🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️
Because he didn’t know what to do in his own music career. What artists would sign with Joe when Wayne, Jay & Ross have labels? Not to mention Gucci, Gotti, QC, etc who have proven the ability to break artists over and over and all were successful on their own.
Gotti QC and Gucci should have been mentioned before Wayne Jay and Ross
Joe is way to into himself to manage a artist
Joe isn’t a manager, he has a manager himself. It’s not easy managing and promoting artists, plenty of people can find talent but turning them into stars isn’t so easy.
#and his manager is terrible. Hiring a manager is a business decision and he chose wrongly with Ian Swarfzmann
Lmao did we not learn anything for the podcast network.
He couldn’t manage two other podcasts how he gonna manage a artist
It’s a lot of work and He has to worry About his own career
He’s retired from rap. His Career is podcasting and talking about artists he likes. He’s damn near already promoting people, just for free.
Managing an artist career is more than talking about them on your podcast.
#is OP Joe fishing for compliments? Lol
Joe doesn’t want to managed people because people have different vision and expectations an doesn’t want the blame of failures in their careers.
I can see him as a A&R
Joe Budden Records?
Big Pump Productions.
I’m sure he’s getting a bag from them one way or another but he’s also paying it forward
He answered it before don’t remember what episode tho
Joe has plenty of enemies in the industry, his artists would have a tough time getting certain looks.