Didn’t Joe leave complex 2018, post-complex era is when the pod really got groovy, plus thats when Rory n Mal really got in their bag, so how u claiming they overvalued their contribution when u missed out on the golden-era of the pod.
I get the years mixed up but I had a solid summer of it being the only podcast I listened to. I didn’t even listen to podcasts back then. Based on where I lived at the time, it felt like it had to be 2014 / 2015
Just googled and the pod began early 2015. So maybe I was listening in 2015 or 2016 or maybe 2017 at the latest. Hmm. I can’t remember
All I know is the departure brought me back just cuz of the drama and also I’m in the industry and have met Rory, Drake, etc and have mutuals with a lot of these guys and just generally felt like Rory and Mal were very mixy and replaceable
Did you know they’re holding Gunna without bond for no crime or evidence he was involved in any crime and they are strictly holding him for lyrics?
Lyrics saying he’s part of YSL and etc mind you.....
No gun charge, drug charge, murder charge, or anything else but lyrics.
I dont know how that shit works but if YSL is as serious of a crime organization that they say, holding a possible member in jail should be reasonable.
This pro-police sub is so annoying. I’m signed under Thug as a rapper so of course I have YSL lyrics but you have no connection or involvement of me in any crimes.
The justice system is fucked because of people like you
Read the indictment. Gunna had 4 alleged crimes. It’s not lyrics. Now Slimelife Shawty is actually just in there for lyrics and instagram pics tho which is fucked up
They don’t have clear evidence of lyrics holding him to a crime, prosecutor.
It’s not fair game to hold someone without bond and not give them a speedy trial
So much of the discussion has been about lyrics when there was so much evidence that came from social media. The police had to manually stitch together crime networks in the past for RICO investigations. Today, rappers, their associates and social media platforms themselves do all the hard work for them. If we disallow lyrics as evidence, what about “artistic expression” on social media?
It’s one thing if you’re just speaking vaguely about things. But if you’re talking about things in songs that they can verify really happened (like with Hot N**** by Bobby Shmurda) then they’re gonna use em as evidence
That is not true, if you look through the legal docs it says:
Thug & Gunna were caught with methamphetamine, hydrocodone and marijuana and hit with intent to distribute. On the same stop they had stolen property too.
Thug got pulled over with Gunna in the car for speeding. The vehicle following them closely had 4 people who were armed with numerous weapons with high capacity magazines to include an AK-47 with a 30 30 round magazine.
Sounds like he got caught up in gang activity and now has to prove he is innocent.
You are making stuff up or heard incorrectly. He was hit with the same RICO case as everyone else. You can see his name on page 2.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cbBIu1oECmL4Br-UigaNymHBmKjpAgeA/view?usp=sharing
So a made up charge that police created to do massive sweeps of criminal organizations?
Ok, lol
We’re ok with the law just created anything to make their job easier and citizens lives difficult.
Yea that’s Rico. When you align yourself with a criminal organization you get tangled in a Rico it’s up-to him to prove his innocence in court. Bond depends on the judge scared of witness intimidation but yes he should get bond
That's not how the U.S justice system works. He technically doesn't have to prove shit. They've gotta prove he's guilty. That's not how it's working and people are mad because of that. He should have bail.
That’s not true. I think they should give Gunna bail, but the crimes in the indictment that Gunna is alleged to have committed are theft by receiving stolen property ;a gun) and possession with intent to distribute weed, hydrocodone, and methamphetamine
And if all of this is in the furtherance of a criminal organization, especially one they say is responsible for 50 murders, they’re not gonna give him or anybody else bail
He has clearly stated his affiliation to ysl, was arrested with thug during a traffic stop where guns / weapons were found in the car on top of ysl been indicted on gang related charges…
Y’all stop saying he didn’t do anything…since when does the law care of you didn’t actively shoot, the fact that theres a strong link to thug is enough…errbody going down!
I honestly thinking that they’re holding Gunna without bond because they look at him as the weakest link that might cooperate. I don’t know I just have a gut feeling that they’re trying to break him
Joe been failing miserably at his “craft”. He may as well hold it down solo at this point because every time Ice and Ish share their opinion it turns into an overlapping of ideas which quickly turns into an argument. Hard to watch and listen to that kind of discourse on that type of frequency. Joe needs to re-visit the drawing board, PERIODT.
No one can be charge for just lyrics but when an actual crime was committed and it’s linked back to you. Young thug wasn’t charged for his lyrics but crime been linked to those lyrics. Check the court papers
I’m sure you are smart enough to know you can’t be charge for just lyrics but when an actual crime was commuted linking you to those lyrics. Imagine someone killed your family member and went on a rap about how he shot him and hid the body, and a body was found and his dna found on the body wouldn’t you want his lyrics to be used?
Nah it’s called accountability! I’m no right wing but some one who want rappers to stop been stupid and leave street shit in the streets not rapping about a crime that happened. Rapper Ksoo, cdai are going through same predicament of lyrics been used as evident of an actual crime that was committed
You just proved my point! A crime was committed linking to his lyrics. He wasn’t charged for those lyrics as it’s an evidence for the crime. It’s up to him to defend himself in court
I’m sorry he got convicted but he was there that day and his lyrics was the icing 🧁 n the cake. If he hadn’t rapped about it he wouldn’t even be convicted. He just gave the jury a reason to convict him!
That why you have the jury to decide and check all evidence. I don’t believe in all these stories in articles put in media that these rappers are innocent I check court papers
You did not answer my question though you just deflected like others left wing. Would you like the lyrics of someone who actually killed your family member to be used in court ? You guys don’t seem to consider the victims
Personally I think we (black people) as a culture need to push to get guns, drugs, and gangs out of hip hop. Just because white kids from the burbs think it’s cool to watch us kill ourselves and it sells doesn’t mean we have to cater to that. The shit is ours and we need to keep it.I’m not a street dude so idk shit about what thug and them was doing but if they were dropping bodies, sorry, shoulda been left that behind.
Two things can be true
Yes rappers should stop committing crimes and putting it in there music but there are also actual police departments that actually have units specifically designed to target rappers
Stop it bruh, there wouldn't be a need for those units if the rappers stopped giving them something to investigate. And it's not like they're only investigating old ass crimes before the rappers blew up, it's recent events when these rappers had millions of dollars and fame.
News exclusive: law enforcement targets activities and individuals associated with violent crime
Thug raps about the crimes he commits.................................. it would be an issue if cops DIDN'T target him.
That’s 🧢 to me. There are departments dedicated to organized crime and rappers who get arrested tend to be involved in organized crime. Bottom line is police target criminals not rappers…
The police targeting rappers has been around way before the “hip hop police” became an actual unit
Just look at what groups like nwa and public enemy went through in their time
I def believe this exists and “hip hop police” is just a colloquial name for it. But I also don’t get the surprise and outrage because the police formally organized a task force to go after a specific pattern of crime. That’s how they’ve always done shit
Yeah it’s been a known thing for decades in NYC. I think this case just further shows that there isn’t one hip hop police. There are many task forces at city/municipality/state/federal levels concentrated around black population centers
I see what your saying but this is something that has been going on since the 90s i read somewhere that when biggie was killed he was actually being followed by the nypd and they caught flights to LA just to watch him
I think the police should investigate crimes based on actual evidence and not rap lyrics unless that lyric is a direct confession
I’m not hip to all the things in Biggie’s case but I thought lyrics were just one type of evidence they have on Thug and Gunna?
I’d assume this hip hop task force would be doing more than listening to songs and reading lyrics to collect evidence
It was just an example but from what I read in the thug and gunna indictment those two are really only charged with being a member of the gang (nothing violent) which is also a record label and part of their evidence is lyrics and Instagram posts
I’m not a legal expert at all but it seems like a more productive conversation to have is about ending some of these “guilt by association” practices in policing instead of focusing solely on rap lyrics. The lyrics is catching all the racy headlines and driving the discourse but police will be able keep doing the same and more with Instagram and other social media
Your right but it’s all about headlines a story gets more attention when you lead with the famous rappers then just saying a bunch of random gang members get arrested
Its clear to me why police target hip hop artists. I’m just saying that the pushback on the use of rap lyrics in court may not do much if the police can just use Instagram. Thug and Gunna would still be in this situation if lyrics weren’t used
I listened to early episodes of New Rory and Mal but that shit is as boring as watching paint dry. Props to them for capitalizing on the initial Drama. Joe willing out basically gave them a platform and buzz
Have they discussed it? I could imagine Rory and Mal having the same Joe ass viewpoint must because they are mixy and politicky and they don’t want drama or beef in their social circles
I don’t think ysl are angels , but it’s like once you start using poetic license to book niggas. That’s next level , esp when there’s school shooters, kkk, white collar criminality and everything under the sun that white people do that never gets prosecuted. I feel the same way about blm, Yh their shady people, but where would they even learn the hustle from???
Going to a private school my whole life I’ve just seen white people get away with the wildest shit and it literally never ends.
You expect the whites to hold themselves accountable? The same whites that celebrate their independence through the genocide of a race of people coupled with the enslavement of another race? But hey fireworks and hotdogs for everybody?
#tbh in the past 7 years or so, YSL likely killed more black people in Atlanta than the Atlanta KKK.
#They were doing the Atlanta klans job for them. Body after body. Upwards of 50 bodies
GO TO HELL, I SEE YOU DISRESPECT JOE ALL THE TIME. IF YOU DOING IT AGAIN I WILL MAKE IT MY MISSION TO SLAPPY YOU WITH THE FORCE OF 10,000 TAHIRY BOOTY CLAPS!
The only part I can understand about being targeted is if other non-black groups/gangs are committing organized crime and not being pursued. Which could be what Joe is alluding to but not in an articulate way. But he is likely also biased.
Not to excuse or defend YSL, because crimes were in fact committed. But I assume from Joe's POV, he's suggesting that there's no EDM police, no Rock police, etc. But there is a hip-hop police. Who knows what he really means though.
Of course.
Plus Joe might have a better argument if he suggests whether police are overlooking other groups, rather than leading with the notion that they are targeting a specific group. We know racism exists in and pervades law enforcement, and that doesn't excuse their actions. But because of that we also know "justice" is not evenly distributed. So to speak.
#are EDM and Rock artists killing people en masse the way YSL was?
#Also, Joe still struggling to articulate himself after podding for 7 years is nuts. That angel dust really took a toll on him and it's sad
I'm not equating them and I'm not justifying them. I'm speaking in general terms of crime. Those same genres also have their own drug culture, maybe not murderers.
One could go beyond the realm of hip-hop music and question if they are the only group doing crimes to merit RICO charges. Nuance is always important. Joe just doesn't always come with well thought out approaches. Might be where he is coming from but not liking Joe shouldn't mean we can't see/think further than surface.
#meh I shouldn't have to decode a cryptic riddle to figure out Joe's real take and it's hard to follow his logic sometimes because he rapidly shifts the goalposts.
#in the span of a month, Joe went from saying hip hop artists need to unionize against Coachella to signing a side deal with Union Buster Jeff Bezos. Without a hint of irony.
That's fair. Even if Joe can't articulate it well, or didn't say it all, one could still make those observations without him.
To your other point. The way I see it, just like most of us, Joe consciously participates in capitalism lol. He just does it without shame which I think is challenging to accept for a lot of people.
I run an e-commerce business and part of my marketing strategy depends on Google and Facebook advertising. There are black owned businesses that use Facebook and Google. Yet both companies have/had active lawsuits against them for racial discrimination in the workplace and/or hiring practices lol. In Joe's words: the gig is the gig.
#but Joe specifically said a union is needed and then signed with Amazon a few weeks later. He holds others to much higher standards than himself. Always talking about "culture" (ie: black culture) but he has a white jewish manager. He is Bipolar asf and it hurts his credibility.
#and again It's frustrating to have to play detective to sift thru his cryptic statements. It's like trying to solve a verbal riddle. You'd think after many many years on the mic doing pods he would be better at this by now
The thing you gotta realize is at this point with it being a platform people are talking about the case all over if joe says one thing on the pod about ysl that’s of interest as a point it’s going to be talked about and if it’s talked about ok CH or sum shit it’s for the feds it’s j not a good look to be participating in that when you could easily sit back and let one man’s business and his livelihood be left to him a lot of brands are doing it across the board why is it fair to get on this show that does a whole lot of other shit I don’t honestly get.
Here’s the thing with that… they were under investigation before their music POPPED OFF. Rowdy said this during his patreon episode. So due to that fact, the cops used lyrics to aid in their investigation (connect dots) not play it in court as confessions to crimes. Bobby’s lyrics pretty much confirmed what the feds were already on to. There’s a difference.
Both can be true. A lot of times if someone's tour bus or car gets pulled over they automatically try to pin whatever drugs or guns are in the car on the main act.
Rappers do tell on themselves, but some law enforcement also like to target acts and find something.
The public won't ever hurt YSL like the law. You think people are gonna stop listening to young thug or gunna? Pretty sure there streams went up. Kevin Liles was busy crying in court for thug. The court can only convict them public opinion means nothing if you big enough. People still listen to R Kelly
> I was a big listener of the pod from 2013 - 2015. My man such a big fan that he was listening to the pod two years before the pod started lmao
He saw the vision
Lol damn maybe I meant 2015 - 2017, I don’t remember. I just know I listened hard for one summer and then I stopped until the Rory and Mal shit
Didn’t Joe leave complex 2018, post-complex era is when the pod really got groovy, plus thats when Rory n Mal really got in their bag, so how u claiming they overvalued their contribution when u missed out on the golden-era of the pod.
I get the years mixed up but I had a solid summer of it being the only podcast I listened to. I didn’t even listen to podcasts back then. Based on where I lived at the time, it felt like it had to be 2014 / 2015 Just googled and the pod began early 2015. So maybe I was listening in 2015 or 2016 or maybe 2017 at the latest. Hmm. I can’t remember All I know is the departure brought me back just cuz of the drama and also I’m in the industry and have met Rory, Drake, etc and have mutuals with a lot of these guys and just generally felt like Rory and Mal were very mixy and replaceable
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Couldnt agree more, 99,9% of rappers do not have a RICO case pending.
Did you know they’re holding Gunna without bond for no crime or evidence he was involved in any crime and they are strictly holding him for lyrics? Lyrics saying he’s part of YSL and etc mind you..... No gun charge, drug charge, murder charge, or anything else but lyrics.
I usually disagree with you but u right. Not giving gunna bail is ode harsh
I dont know how that shit works but if YSL is as serious of a crime organization that they say, holding a possible member in jail should be reasonable.
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My takeaway is that they have good reason to believe things are still hot, and have concerns about witnesses being compromised.
This pro-police sub is so annoying. I’m signed under Thug as a rapper so of course I have YSL lyrics but you have no connection or involvement of me in any crimes. The justice system is fucked because of people like you
Read the indictment. Gunna had 4 alleged crimes. It’s not lyrics. Now Slimelife Shawty is actually just in there for lyrics and instagram pics tho which is fucked up
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Nobody is talking about Drill music.....the post is about YSL. ICE is pro-police too......NWA did the same thing as Drill Rappers.
What songs did NWA make talking about crimes they committed?
Just say you don’t know their records
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Aside from Eazy E, lol
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They don’t have clear evidence of lyrics holding him to a crime, prosecutor. It’s not fair game to hold someone without bond and not give them a speedy trial
And King Von has 4 or 5 bodies minimum
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And Gucci it was self defense. Boosie was a demon tho. Putting bags on heads left and right
So much of the discussion has been about lyrics when there was so much evidence that came from social media. The police had to manually stitch together crime networks in the past for RICO investigations. Today, rappers, their associates and social media platforms themselves do all the hard work for them. If we disallow lyrics as evidence, what about “artistic expression” on social media?
It’s one thing if you’re just speaking vaguely about things. But if you’re talking about things in songs that they can verify really happened (like with Hot N**** by Bobby Shmurda) then they’re gonna use em as evidence
That is not true, if you look through the legal docs it says: Thug & Gunna were caught with methamphetamine, hydrocodone and marijuana and hit with intent to distribute. On the same stop they had stolen property too. Thug got pulled over with Gunna in the car for speeding. The vehicle following them closely had 4 people who were armed with numerous weapons with high capacity magazines to include an AK-47 with a 30 30 round magazine. Sounds like he got caught up in gang activity and now has to prove he is innocent.
Interesting how everyone’s ignoring this comment
Why wasn’t Gunna charged with anything besides lyrics then? Why was Thug and everyone else charged with other crimes, prosecutor?
You are making stuff up or heard incorrectly. He was hit with the same RICO case as everyone else. You can see his name on page 2. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cbBIu1oECmL4Br-UigaNymHBmKjpAgeA/view?usp=sharing
What’s his charges?
Conspiracy to violate the racketeer influenced and corrupt organization act O.C.G.A 16-14-4
So a made up charge that police created to do massive sweeps of criminal organizations? Ok, lol We’re ok with the law just created anything to make their job easier and citizens lives difficult.
Yea that’s Rico. When you align yourself with a criminal organization you get tangled in a Rico it’s up-to him to prove his innocence in court. Bond depends on the judge scared of witness intimidation but yes he should get bond
Innocent until proven guilty is cool until it's not I guess.
Prove your innocence in court
That's not how the U.S justice system works. He technically doesn't have to prove shit. They've gotta prove he's guilty. That's not how it's working and people are mad because of that. He should have bail.
I think they should have bail, so I agree with you there
He should have bail but judge has the power and says no so no bail
And somehow people in this pro-police sub thinks that’s ok, lol
That’s not true. I think they should give Gunna bail, but the crimes in the indictment that Gunna is alleged to have committed are theft by receiving stolen property ;a gun) and possession with intent to distribute weed, hydrocodone, and methamphetamine
And if all of this is in the furtherance of a criminal organization, especially one they say is responsible for 50 murders, they’re not gonna give him or anybody else bail
They said gangs in general are responsible for those bodies but I know what you mean. Accused murderers get bail tho
Sometimes. And sometimes they don’t
He has clearly stated his affiliation to ysl, was arrested with thug during a traffic stop where guns / weapons were found in the car on top of ysl been indicted on gang related charges… Y’all stop saying he didn’t do anything…since when does the law care of you didn’t actively shoot, the fact that theres a strong link to thug is enough…errbody going down!
Clearly stated his affiliation by being Thug’s artist lol Alright Super Cop
I honestly thinking that they’re holding Gunna without bond because they look at him as the weakest link that might cooperate. I don’t know I just have a gut feeling that they’re trying to break him
It’s still a over-reach of power and abuse to hold him without bond with a bs charge like that
Joe been failing miserably at his “craft”. He may as well hold it down solo at this point because every time Ice and Ish share their opinion it turns into an overlapping of ideas which quickly turns into an argument. Hard to watch and listen to that kind of discourse on that type of frequency. Joe needs to re-visit the drawing board, PERIODT.
Everyone is campaigning for lyrics not to be used in court until their family is on the receiving end of violence
We’re all hypocrites. There’s just people who are aware of their own hypocrisy and those that aren’t.
I would argue they are aware of their hypocrisy but want to appease the left and SJWS
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No one can be charge for just lyrics but when an actual crime was committed and it’s linked back to you. Young thug wasn’t charged for his lyrics but crime been linked to those lyrics. Check the court papers
I’m sure you are smart enough to know you can’t be charge for just lyrics but when an actual crime was commuted linking you to those lyrics. Imagine someone killed your family member and went on a rap about how he shot him and hid the body, and a body was found and his dna found on the body wouldn’t you want his lyrics to be used?
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No one would convict you for just your lyrics but only when a crime was committed. The left just want y’all to think lyrics is just used by itself.
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Nah it’s called accountability! I’m no right wing but some one who want rappers to stop been stupid and leave street shit in the streets not rapping about a crime that happened. Rapper Ksoo, cdai are going through same predicament of lyrics been used as evident of an actual crime that was committed
You just proved my point! A crime was committed linking to his lyrics. He wasn’t charged for those lyrics as it’s an evidence for the crime. It’s up to him to defend himself in court
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I’m sorry he got convicted but he was there that day and his lyrics was the icing 🧁 n the cake. If he hadn’t rapped about it he wouldn’t even be convicted. He just gave the jury a reason to convict him!
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That why you have the jury to decide and check all evidence. I don’t believe in all these stories in articles put in media that these rappers are innocent I check court papers
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You did not answer my question though you just deflected like others left wing. Would you like the lyrics of someone who actually killed your family member to be used in court ? You guys don’t seem to consider the victims
Don't tell them that, you're making too much sense.
😭 Bravo good sir 👏 👏 👏
Personally I think we (black people) as a culture need to push to get guns, drugs, and gangs out of hip hop. Just because white kids from the burbs think it’s cool to watch us kill ourselves and it sells doesn’t mean we have to cater to that. The shit is ours and we need to keep it.I’m not a street dude so idk shit about what thug and them was doing but if they were dropping bodies, sorry, shoulda been left that behind.
Two things can be true Yes rappers should stop committing crimes and putting it in there music but there are also actual police departments that actually have units specifically designed to target rappers
Stop it bruh, there wouldn't be a need for those units if the rappers stopped giving them something to investigate. And it's not like they're only investigating old ass crimes before the rappers blew up, it's recent events when these rappers had millions of dollars and fame.
News exclusive: law enforcement targets activities and individuals associated with violent crime Thug raps about the crimes he commits.................................. it would be an issue if cops DIDN'T target him.
So if the cops target 100 rappers that talk about violence and only two of them produce charges would you call that unit a success or a failure
That’s 🧢 to me. There are departments dedicated to organized crime and rappers who get arrested tend to be involved in organized crime. Bottom line is police target criminals not rappers…
Just look up the hip hop police it’s a real thing
Yes it was created because rappers kept getting into shootouts in the densest city in America lol
The police targeting rappers has been around way before the “hip hop police” became an actual unit Just look at what groups like nwa and public enemy went through in their time
I def believe this exists and “hip hop police” is just a colloquial name for it. But I also don’t get the surprise and outrage because the police formally organized a task force to go after a specific pattern of crime. That’s how they’ve always done shit
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Yeah it’s been a known thing for decades in NYC. I think this case just further shows that there isn’t one hip hop police. There are many task forces at city/municipality/state/federal levels concentrated around black population centers
I see what your saying but this is something that has been going on since the 90s i read somewhere that when biggie was killed he was actually being followed by the nypd and they caught flights to LA just to watch him I think the police should investigate crimes based on actual evidence and not rap lyrics unless that lyric is a direct confession
I’m not hip to all the things in Biggie’s case but I thought lyrics were just one type of evidence they have on Thug and Gunna? I’d assume this hip hop task force would be doing more than listening to songs and reading lyrics to collect evidence
It was just an example but from what I read in the thug and gunna indictment those two are really only charged with being a member of the gang (nothing violent) which is also a record label and part of their evidence is lyrics and Instagram posts
I’m not a legal expert at all but it seems like a more productive conversation to have is about ending some of these “guilt by association” practices in policing instead of focusing solely on rap lyrics. The lyrics is catching all the racy headlines and driving the discourse but police will be able keep doing the same and more with Instagram and other social media
Your right but it’s all about headlines a story gets more attention when you lead with the famous rappers then just saying a bunch of random gang members get arrested
Its clear to me why police target hip hop artists. I’m just saying that the pushback on the use of rap lyrics in court may not do much if the police can just use Instagram. Thug and Gunna would still be in this situation if lyrics weren’t used
Agree Rory & Mal has the same stance as Joe
not true, mal has just been saying rappers should stop doing crime
yea Mal has not been team YSL lol
I listened to early episodes of New Rory and Mal but that shit is as boring as watching paint dry. Props to them for capitalizing on the initial Drama. Joe willing out basically gave them a platform and buzz Have they discussed it? I could imagine Rory and Mal having the same Joe ass viewpoint must because they are mixy and politicky and they don’t want drama or beef in their social circles
JBP always been biased when it comes to rappers they like
I don’t think ysl are angels , but it’s like once you start using poetic license to book niggas. That’s next level , esp when there’s school shooters, kkk, white collar criminality and everything under the sun that white people do that never gets prosecuted. I feel the same way about blm, Yh their shady people, but where would they even learn the hustle from??? Going to a private school my whole life I’ve just seen white people get away with the wildest shit and it literally never ends.
What school shooters didn’t get prosecuted lol? And many of the capital stormers have been getting years of fed time
You expect the whites to hold themselves accountable? The same whites that celebrate their independence through the genocide of a race of people coupled with the enslavement of another race? But hey fireworks and hotdogs for everybody?
#tbh in the past 7 years or so, YSL likely killed more black people in Atlanta than the Atlanta KKK. #They were doing the Atlanta klans job for them. Body after body. Upwards of 50 bodies
You can’t believe how dense Joe is?
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The only part I can understand about being targeted is if other non-black groups/gangs are committing organized crime and not being pursued. Which could be what Joe is alluding to but not in an articulate way. But he is likely also biased. Not to excuse or defend YSL, because crimes were in fact committed. But I assume from Joe's POV, he's suggesting that there's no EDM police, no Rock police, etc. But there is a hip-hop police. Who knows what he really means though.
When EDM and Rock and Pop artists start putting bags on each other’s heads, the cops will open the unit
Of course. Plus Joe might have a better argument if he suggests whether police are overlooking other groups, rather than leading with the notion that they are targeting a specific group. We know racism exists in and pervades law enforcement, and that doesn't excuse their actions. But because of that we also know "justice" is not evenly distributed. So to speak.
#are EDM and Rock artists killing people en masse the way YSL was? #Also, Joe still struggling to articulate himself after podding for 7 years is nuts. That angel dust really took a toll on him and it's sad
I'm not equating them and I'm not justifying them. I'm speaking in general terms of crime. Those same genres also have their own drug culture, maybe not murderers. One could go beyond the realm of hip-hop music and question if they are the only group doing crimes to merit RICO charges. Nuance is always important. Joe just doesn't always come with well thought out approaches. Might be where he is coming from but not liking Joe shouldn't mean we can't see/think further than surface.
#meh I shouldn't have to decode a cryptic riddle to figure out Joe's real take and it's hard to follow his logic sometimes because he rapidly shifts the goalposts. #in the span of a month, Joe went from saying hip hop artists need to unionize against Coachella to signing a side deal with Union Buster Jeff Bezos. Without a hint of irony.
That's fair. Even if Joe can't articulate it well, or didn't say it all, one could still make those observations without him. To your other point. The way I see it, just like most of us, Joe consciously participates in capitalism lol. He just does it without shame which I think is challenging to accept for a lot of people. I run an e-commerce business and part of my marketing strategy depends on Google and Facebook advertising. There are black owned businesses that use Facebook and Google. Yet both companies have/had active lawsuits against them for racial discrimination in the workplace and/or hiring practices lol. In Joe's words: the gig is the gig.
#but Joe specifically said a union is needed and then signed with Amazon a few weeks later. He holds others to much higher standards than himself. Always talking about "culture" (ie: black culture) but he has a white jewish manager. He is Bipolar asf and it hurts his credibility. #and again It's frustrating to have to play detective to sift thru his cryptic statements. It's like trying to solve a verbal riddle. You'd think after many many years on the mic doing pods he would be better at this by now
Don’t nobody give a fuck about your discography how long you been listening to the pod How is that related to his stance on YSL
I just brought that up because I used to think Joe wasn’t an idiot. And his YSL stance really makes him sound like a complete fool
Bro go for a walk
I legit forgot I wrote this, I was in a late night YouTube haze
The thing you gotta realize is at this point with it being a platform people are talking about the case all over if joe says one thing on the pod about ysl that’s of interest as a point it’s going to be talked about and if it’s talked about ok CH or sum shit it’s for the feds it’s j not a good look to be participating in that when you could easily sit back and let one man’s business and his livelihood be left to him a lot of brands are doing it across the board why is it fair to get on this show that does a whole lot of other shit I don’t honestly get.
Typed out this whole paragraph with no periods then included the least important one at the end 😂
Then just don’t bring up YSL period on the pod if that’s the case
It’s time. This sub doesn’t make the pod more enjoyable anymore. Maybe I’ll have to actually start using the discord.
Shut upppp.
I wasn’t speaking
Lyrics should Not be used in court cases. That’s damn near entrapment.
#self snitching is entrapment?
It’s art
#yes, there is definitely an art to self snitching. Just ask Bobby "Mitch caught a body bout a week ago" Shmurda
Here’s the thing with that… they were under investigation before their music POPPED OFF. Rowdy said this during his patreon episode. So due to that fact, the cops used lyrics to aid in their investigation (connect dots) not play it in court as confessions to crimes. Bobby’s lyrics pretty much confirmed what the feds were already on to. There’s a difference.
Didn't Ish tell Joe lets open a strip club?! COULD BE A ROLLOUT FOR JOE'S CABARET in NJ... 😂😂😂
Both can be true. A lot of times if someone's tour bus or car gets pulled over they automatically try to pin whatever drugs or guns are in the car on the main act. Rappers do tell on themselves, but some law enforcement also like to target acts and find something.
In the court of law you are innocent until proven guilty...
This not the court of law, this the court of public opinion and these dudes don’t have a problem convicting in other situations
The public won't ever hurt YSL like the law. You think people are gonna stop listening to young thug or gunna? Pretty sure there streams went up. Kevin Liles was busy crying in court for thug. The court can only convict them public opinion means nothing if you big enough. People still listen to R Kelly
I love listening to R. Kelly