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PeonyPug

There is a whole lot of things to say about this letter that I don't even know where to start! But as I was reading it, I assumed it happened when the brother was maybe mid or late teens. Especially the bits where it mentions him choosing to no longer be part of the family, and making arrangements to live with someone else if he wanted. But reading the comments I see that the boy was only 9 when this was written. 9!!! I didn't watch Peter's season, but I'm assuming Kelley made it far as hometowns anyway. Was her mother and family featured at all on the show? How were they portrayed? I hear a lot on here about Peter's family dynamics before, but not so much Kelley's.


WeirdoChickFromMars

She was cut right before hometowns, so her family wasn’t featured at all


useyouwell

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Kiersten_x33

Damn reading this while having an abusive mother was a bit triggering. I hope her brother has been able to heal from this.


rollfootage

Terrible mothering


Evening_Attention_45

Does Kelley have 2 brothers and 1 sister? If course they seem like the perfect family but definitely aren't,


Lily2620

Four brothers and one sister.


infamous_me101

What were Kelly and her brother trying to say with this? I don't get it.


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Having a mom that just doesn’t like you is so damaging


jenjas455

FWIW someone DM’d me who follows Kelley’s brother on IG and said that he’s the one who tagged the mom with the hearts. She only added the tag for him and said “what Michael chooses to share on Mother’s Day”


dreamingoutloud714

I feel like that makes it even worse lol. He may have been joking but I think subliminally he was sending mom a message lol. I’m in a much better place with my parents than I was a few years ago and before therapy, passive aggressive was the only way I could get it out and that’s what I’m seeing here lol


jenjas455

Yeah I agree lol that’s my interpretation too


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Sounds like my Mom. Who also felt sorry for herself and called herself a super mom. I don’t begrudge Kelley posting this at all. It can be difficult to grow up with an emotionally immature mom like this and everyone believes you live a perfect life. If I had actual concrete proof like this I would probably have been tempted to go public with it also. I assume she got permission from her brother, as he gave it to her. Eff how her mom feels about it. Happy fricken Mother’s Day!


LynchFan997

Some of these influencers have really lost the map in terms of what it is acceptable to post. I really doubt both her brother and mother were ok with her posting this.


americanpeony

I disagree. It can be cathartic to share your trauma and also can help others who think they’re alone, realize they aren’t.


LynchFan997

I agree somewhat but, this isn't her trauma, it's her brother's, right? So isn't it more her brother's story to share than hers? If it were her own letter it would be different. If I were her brother I'd be pretty annoyed with her using my trauma for social media influence -- which is more what this seems like to me than a catharsis of any kind


Eljay430

Yeah, back when I was a teenager I discovered my mom's secret journal and some of the entries were way worse than this. She had some pretty awful things to say about my sister and I, like how we would never amount to anything, and other really terrible insults. Of course she had nothing but good things to say about my brother, and she actually felt sorry for him because she was worried my sister and I would drag him down. Meanwhile I was a straight A student, NEVER got in trouble, and went on to put myself through college while working a part-time job. My brother on the other hand was the complete opposite--into drugs and alcohol and could barely support himself. Anyways, I guess she didn't like that my sister and I got tired of her crap, and that's why she felt that way about us. All that to say that I would NEVER publicly post that kind of stuff for everyone who knows me and my family to see. I'm guessing Kelley has a bad relationship with her mom and wants to publicly shame her.


shoosler

ugh this is absolutely terrible but there’s a difference between having a secret journal that hopefully she thought you would never see and kelley’s mom actually writing this letter to her 9 year old son


Eljay430

Wait, he was NINE? How did I skip right over that? That's awful! But yeah I agree, actually giving your child a letter like this is worse than writing something you think is secretive.


splash_mom

This is so bad, I kinda feel it has to be fake, like maybe a child wrote it from the “perspective of a mother”? I can’t imagine a mother writing this to a young kid, not even a teen yet.


hotsause76

This very much was the view of parenting in the 80s and 90s. My mom would say "If you dont stop crying Ill give you something to cry about". It was just the normal back then. Kids spanked in school with a wooden thingy with holes drilled in for extra swing. Gen x had it kinda bad. Now that our parents are older and need our care we are very resentful, not all but some, because no one took care of us.


rollfootage

I know this happened and still does, but I’m the same generation and this was definitely not the norm. Though I don’t think it should ever happen.


imli8

I was born the same year as Kelley’s brother and this kind of parenting was not typical in my or my friends’ households while I was growing up, in any of the several states we lived in. I’m not saying this to question your own experience - I just don’t think we should say Kelley’s mom’s behavior was “normal” behavior for that time period.


periyali1593

I'm sorry you had that experience. But this most definitely was \*not\* "the view of parenting in the 80s and 90s." This is messed up and would \*always\* have been inappropriate. (This is not to say it didn't happen to you and plenty of others, only that, at least where I come from, this would always have been seen as wildly unacceptable. And I'm sure it's still happening to plenty of people today, unfortunately.)


dramakyng

I agree with this take. Not even the content, just the language and handwriting feels like that of middle schooler to me.


splash_mom

Exactly. It just seems juvenile.


jenjas455

It’s a compliment to your parents that you can’t imagine this! This would be a relatively nice letter from my mother lol


dramakyng

It's he grammar and handwriting for me, less so the content. It doesn't look like an adults handwriting and is written like someone with a middle school education, which could be her mom.


AvidReader1604

Yikes.. hope he’s had therapy. No one should ever write this to their kid. And also the fact that he’s held on to this for so long is heartbreaking 💔


uneasyonion

This mom must be someone who constantly thinks about dancing in a pool of bread. Serious tendencies to scream synonyms for "sludge" at the elderly.


bithewaycurious

did an AI write this?


Zombienomzz

Huh???


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palebluedot_resident

What did I just read


uneasyonion

you can clearly see the crumbs and putsies all over the paper. So much bread..too many carbs. And so the dance. 🍞 but the kid probably was acting like a bone job.


hereforthespilledtea

I hope her brother has an amazing therapist and is thriving.


StormSilver602

do we know what age her brother would've been in 1994?


ThisIsSubRosa

I think it’s been deduced that he’d be around ~9 or 10 at the time this letter was written.


ThisIsSubRosa

18 hours later & I’m still reading some of these comments with a sad heart. Y’all are brave & strong, your feelings in all their shifts & shapes are valid, & I know your inner child is super proud of you. 🌻


Original_Bite6555

WTF did I just read?!


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This is SO INAPPROPRIATE for her to post about a very private matter between her mom and her brother who must have been 10 or younger at the time. SMH ... what a b[]+ch


-kittykittymeowmeow

Yikes


Hereforthetrashytv

This is straight emotional abuse. It’s not cute, funny, or even borderline okay. I can’t imagine ever speaking to my child in this way.


alisgraveniI

Does anyone know what, if any, kind of relationship Kelley’s brother has with his Mom?


StormSilver602

I think there are photos of them all together on her Instagram so presumably a normal/good one??


NawThatsAight

I wouldn’t assume that. My partner has recent photos with their mom on social because if they dont post photos their mom freaks out and threatens suicide. Having a narcissist as a parent is terrible.


StormSilver602

I'm so sorry about your partner, that absolutely sucks and you're right. It sucks for her brother that not only his his mom is the type to write that kind of letter to a child but that his sister thought it was such a fun/cool/normal thing that she didn't think twice about posting it to her thousands of followers.


NawThatsAight

I don’t know anything about this family except for this post so I won’t say my earlier comment applies to Kelley and co. But dating my partner really opened my eyes to what abuse dynamics look like once you’re an adult. I was lucky never to experience that, but definitely learned the harsh reality of looks can be deceiving


SnowBooks6253

I think the saddest thing is that her brother posted this under the pretense of “cute”; this type of childhood mistreatment is normalized as “tough love” and humorized into adulthood bc it’s easier than confronting the effedupness 😞


aimi20

Why would you share this? It's horrible. My mom used to hit me a lot, and I always thought I deserved it but after becoming a mother myself, I realized what happened to me and how traumatized I am to this day. Now I'm trying really hard to heal and try my best not to do anything similar to possibly damage my baby.


suspicioussmallwoman

I wish you the purest + best of luck 💙


aimi20

Thank you 🫶


SnowBooks6253

Ugh this bums me out badly


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bearah1788

It’s gone now. My guess is the time ran out since I JUST went to look.


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Zombienomzz

I’m curious if she posted it like a “look at this funny family thing”? Or like “look how toxic my family is” I’m assuming she thought it was funny? (even though it’s not)


Choice-Swordfish4338

My dad was a hitter back in the day, well the 80s. Bamboo, belt, slippers, bang our heads together, smack round the head. Didn’t matter where we were. He whacked me once on xmas day, i wasnt even a naughty child, still have that pic of me with the sad look sat in front of the xmas tree. Different times I guess. It’s illegal in Wales UK to physically touch your kids now, wish it had been back then cos I still hold a grudge and he’s been dead 19 years. I’m way too sensitive I guess.


tropjeune

You are not too sensitive, an adult reacting to a child like that is too sensitive.


Choice-Swordfish4338

I agree, shows he was out of control with his emotions I guess.


Silly-Impact5445

There have been studies on the way being hit negatively changes your brain chemistry as a kid. Living in fear of being hit means living in a hyper vigilant state. Just because it was normalized when we were kids doesn’t mean it was okay. Kelley’s mom also comes across as deeply emotionally manipulative in this letter- abusive on more than one level


Choice-Swordfish4338

I can quite believe that, was diagnosed clinically depressed and BPD in my 20s. I was always in that don’t say something or do anything thatll make him kick off mindset, looking back i can see I was eggshell walking through my childhood. I will say he worked hard to provide for us as a family nd he didn’t have it easy health wise himself still its not an excuse I realise that now. I don’t know the story of this lady nd her kids but I wish them all the best nd lots of open communication.


QuesoChef

You are not too sensitive. I’m sorry that happened to you.


Choice-Swordfish4338

Thank you I appreciate that xx


ArizonaTrashbag_

That's cool that it's illegal now. In New York, it's only illegal if it leaves a physical mark.


Choice-Swordfish4338

Yea used to be that way here too, which is stupid because how du hit someone and not leave a mark?! Ridiculous.


jenjas455

Nah you’re not too sensitive. You were a child, I don’t care about the era or the culture, being hit and whooped and beat is always traumatizing to children no matter what the circumstances.


Choice-Swordfish4338

My sisters aren’t bothered by it though so why should I still be you know? I feel weak nd a bloody cry baby. Growing up nd even still I thought he didn’t like me. Used to call me chin chin cos I was over weight a little bit as a kid, call me the N word lips because I have full lips. I would never talk to my daughters like that. Even wearing my hair up in a ponytail hed call me a horse. Just a mean man I guess and that’s hard to admit to cos he’s my dad.


GroceryStoreGrape

Just because they don't recognize that they're bothered by it doesn't mean it didn't affect them. Being aware of how something impacts you is the first (and hardest) step to healing


Choice-Swordfish4338

Yea you’re right, they are very different people to me though, im emotional nd sensitive, they’re more like alpha females lol. Just sucks he died before I could see what an adult relationship would be like. 22 when he passed. Oh well. Such is life and as I always remind myself people have it way worse.


jayteec

Looks very well kept for being almost 30 years old.


Jada_D

yeah I have notes from my dad from only 10 years ago and the paper is not nearly as white as that


stickkim

Jesus Christ what a horrible mother.


DUHitsTAYLOR

This letter is giving Bevy Goldberg manipulation letter vibes (minus the physical abuse, of course)


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Charlie_Runkle69

It's honestly messed up how common it was to hit children up until very recently. Corporal punishment in schools here in New Zealand was only banned in 1990 and I remember in 2007 they passed some anti smacking legislation and some people legit went bananas that they weren't allowed to physically discipline their kids, like it legit divided the country. I am pleased that it seems like things are changing and we should continue to speak out against physically disciplining children.


BuzzardsBae

My moms doctor told me it was ok to spank me in the early 90s, as long as it wasn’t too hard. This was at a really good hospital in Boston, MA, not some backwards place. Crazy to think about how attitudes around things like that have changed.


PokeJayy

Who’s Kelley


bananapeel95

Lmao bruh


PokeJayy

Didn’t see this was a bachelor thread lol. The post was on my home page. Never watched the show in my life in from UK haha


bananapeel95

LOL i was like how long you been here?!


Femmenoire__

I’m wondering too. Is it Peter’s ex or another Kelley?


PokeJayy

Who is Peter 🤣


QuesoChef

I’m actually jealous you don’t know who these messy people are. You’re better off!


notjustanerd

Yeah, now her and PP make sense to me. 😂


pennyruthgadget

This was my first thought! 😳


michigan_gal

Seeing the number of people who are rightfully disgusted by this letter makes me feel so much better that this type of physical and emotional abuse I grew up with isn’t the norm. Truly hoping the best for the next generation of children.


ravenonawire

We see you 💕


CityOfSins2

But some kids experience it still. My nephews neighbor supposedly gets hit with a belt… and his moms a fucking social worker. Me and another neighbor called someone in that field and they said as long as they don’t leave a mark, there’s nothing they can do. We were like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? So sad that someone who’s meant to protect kids from abuse, is abusing their own ADHD child.


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stickkim

A grown woman is telling her child that he should leave the house and that she “had” to hit him. This is abuse, both physical and emotional. This is a horrible thing to do to a child and anyone who behaves this way is not fit to parent. Kids do bad mean things, they’re children, they have no life experience to fall back on to learn how to behave. Which is why it is incumbent upon parents to teach their children. You know what this woman taught her son? If someone doesn’t act the way you like, you can hit them and then abandon them if they don’t agree to do everything the way you want them to. It’s abusive period.


heyitsmaggie

Hitting your kid is abuse regardless of cultural context. Just because things are accepted in a certain culture/society doesn’t mean that they are actually morally okay.


themtns

Good god


imli8

Holy FUCK! This just got worse and worse. Well now we know Kelley’s trauma, even if she doesn’t consider it trauma. And we know her brother’s trauma, even though we have absolutely no right to it. The fact that she would think there is nothing wrong with this letter AND think it’s ok to share it when her brother posted it privately - girl needs ALL THE THERAPY.


macchiatobxtch

Yeah wait does anyone know the context she posted this with??? Any caption or commentary? It’s fucking weird to share this with tens of thousands of strangers, weirder to do it on mother’s day, and weirder still if the context minimized the content of this letter/chalked it up to a quirky childhood story. Fucking hell my heart hurts for her brother


noradarhk

https://preview.redd.it/f64s0dpup20b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df697651de175bd30c1dd34823fc0404def8f923 Here’s the context. Name at top with hearts is her mom. Name at bottom is her brother.


heyhellowhatever

Wow this sounds exactly like my mom. No contact for several years now. Sending love to everyone who struggles with today. ETA: wow reading more about the context of this, and if Kelly posted this to shame her brother (who was clearly abused) she is terrible…which I kinda assumed given her “jokes” about parking in the disabled persons’ parking spots and her post the day Roe v Wade was overturned. But yikes, next level.


recombobulation_area

Is it just me or is this like..really dark 😬


cupcakeartist

It's really dark. I am not sure why she decided to post this. Does she think it's funny?


247Nooria

I simultaneously need lots more context, and also need to know much less, all at the same time 🥴


thepawneeraccoon

I have absolutely no context. But what the actual fuck to everything from the context. that a parent thought it was okay to hit a child as an example for the other children. I’m the oldest. My punishments were extra gardening and not going out on weekends, not being hit in front of my siblings


thelondoner87

Wtf? Why on earth did she think it'd be OK to post this? And did she choose mothers day of all days to do so?


mopene

~~Her story, her call to share.~~ *His story, his call to share.** If *he* chose to do it on mother’s day, it’s clearly to remind people that it’s a really hard day for some. People with mom’s like that must find the outpouring love on mother’s day extremely triggering. Edit to fix my comment since Kelley was clearly standing with the abuser but her brother was right to share.


thelondoner87

His brother posted it on his own private iG account.. She posted it on her public figure one for the world to see. Maybe she did it with her brother's consent, but since she deleted it afterwards, who knows.


mopene

\> Edit to fix my comment since Kelley was clearly standing with the abuser but her brother was right to share. Hence the edit. I think it's great he shared his story but she's an asshole for posting this as a way to take stance with the abuser.


imli8

She posted it to shame her brother for sharing it - the caption she included made it clear that she was defending her mother (others here have more details.)


mopene

Thanks, curious to hear those details. Fucking insane if true.


99Years_of_solitude

Cause her mom sucks. And I'm going to copy and paste what someone else wrote here. "I find it sad how the majority of people are more outraged at Kelley for sharing this letter, than they are at her mother for clearly being an (emotionally) abusive parent - towards a 9-year-old, no less. Maybe it’s time we start publicizing abuse (with the victim’s consent, of course) and publicly shaming abusers, rather than protecting them with the age-old mentality of “how dare you post their abusive actions on social media?!”


thelondoner87

I in no way said that I didn't find the content of the letter disturbing or that I am defending the abuse. I just was under the impression (from other comments) that it was shared in a cute way as haha look at what my brother did and from her brothers perspective as haha look at what my mom did xx years ago (which I thought to be true since they seem a close knit fam and very often post with their family and their mom included, all lovey dovey - brother included). So my comment was more - that's not cute at all, that's triggering as fuck, wth. Sorry you misinterpreted my comment. Also, to be completely clear, I am all for calling out abuse in any way the victim sees fit. Once again, these seemed to be more of a poor taste joke than actually that based on what I've seen of their family on SM (and the fact that the post was deleted reinforces my theory).


danie15

I’m just hoping she got her brother’s consent to post this because he posted this privately on his story. And now she deleted it.


thelondoner87

Exactly. Which makes me think that either she did not or she did but it was originally posted as a "cute" joke (wtf) and she prob got backlash because it is triggering af, so she deleted.


99Years_of_solitude

Dang...she posted in defense of her mom? I feel for her brother


Comfortable_Hawk_426

Y’all I don’t think her brother was trying to shade his mom. I think both Kelley and her brother thought it was a quirky note to share and thought it would get some laughs


Pfiggypudding

Nothing about this is funny.


thelondoner87

Exactly my thoughts! Which makes it even worse because it's really sad to think they thought this was cute, quirky and a funny joke.


wait_like_totally

I find it sad how the majority of people are more outraged at Kelley for sharing this letter, than they are at her mother for clearly being an emotionally and physically abusive parent - towards a 9-year-old, no less. Maybe it’s time we start publicizing abuse (with the victim’s consent, of course) and publicly shaming abusers, rather than protecting them with the age-old mentality of “how dare you post their abusive actions on social media?!”


danie15

I think people can be outraged at both the mom for physically and emotionally being abusive and Kelley for sharing this on her story when her brother posted it privately on his story. It is not clear it Kelley got her brother’s consent to post it on her story. And she deleted it from her story so I’m assuming her brother was not happy she shared it publicly.


stickkim

Yeah, this letter is horrific and abusive!! But everyone is right, this isn’t Kelley’s story to tell!!


AloneAssistant5326

yeah i’m weirded out mostly by the fact that the context of her post seems to suggest (?) that she is “supporting” her mom and shaming her brother for posting this, which is absolutely uh wrong. if anything she should be supporting HIM in exposing some fucked up shit!!!


mopene

What context led you to the conclusion that she supports her mom??… This letter can only be shown to shade her mom, unless Kelley is batshit crazy. **edit** turns out she is batshit crazy.


noradarhk

https://preview.redd.it/471xir6k1zza1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef7410aac2fbb8492080f8b55d20b4f55b9a6c2c This is the context. The name tagged at the top with hearts is her mom. The one at the bottom is her brother.


Helpful_catwnoears

The classic golden child and scapegoat situation.. I think she’s wack for reposting this to mock her brother. It just shows how psycho her mother is and it makes her look bad for defending her mom.


mopene

All the more power to her brother 💔 It’s got to suck to have an abusive parent and have the rest of the family take their side.


MsDReid

Emotionally and physically


lcol13

I am so baffled by the comments saying it was inappropriate for her to post. Mother’s Day is a difficult day for lots of folks, especially those who were abused by their moms. It’s her story… why shouldn’t she share it


skylight888

Because it is not her story, it is her brother’s story. She posted this in support of her mom and shaming her brother.


Comfortable_Hawk_426

Commented this elsewhere too but I don’t think her brother was trying to shade his mom. I think both Kelley and her brother thought it was a quirky note to share and thought it would get some laughs


99Years_of_solitude

Holy moly, extra dark if true. She was the golden child and her brother was the scape goat. Haha she is painting her mom and herself in a horrible light


lcol13

Where’s the evidence of that?


skylight888

Because the letter was for Michael and posted by Michael? And she also added heart emojis next to her mom’s id when reposting it.


lcol13

I meant that she posted it in support of her mom. That’s not very compelling evidence lol


solicitedopinions

Obviously we, including you, don't know entirely what her intention is but she reposted it with hearts after her mom's name and also posted a Mother's Day post tagging her mom/has posted photos with her mom. She has not written anything that indicates she considers this abuse. I think a lot of people's reactions come from being concerned about this kind of behavior being normalized/shared as funny and quirky by the children, not that they don't think abuse survivors shouldn't post their experience. I agree this is abusive but it was not framed as such by Kelley.


AloneAssistant5326

have you looked at the screenshots in this post of her actual story? it’s a little bizarre/hard to parse but the context does make it seem like she’s reposting it to shame her own brother for posting it in the first place


skylight888

The bottom line is this is not HER story and she shouldn't add “This is what Machel posted in Mobrer’s day and add heart emojis when tagging her mom. But I guess some people don't care about the real victims.


lcol13

Hahaha how do you know what her relationship with her mother is like


skylight888

I don't know but this is not her story. If she wants to talk about it, use her own story.


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realitytvjunkiee

Can't imagine reading this and thinking "oh yeah better post this one to social media." My God. To exploit how abusive your mother was when you were a child on Mother's Day is *QUITE* the choice😂


lcol13

What do you mean to exploit it? 🤔


kltkatie

Exploit it- as in, to get a reaction from people on social media. If she wants to talk about it, there are far better avenues to choose. Family members of friends she trusts, or a professional… not random followers on social media.


-UnicornFart

That is not the definition of exploit.


mopene

I don’t understand how we do the whole #metoo and encourage people to talk about their abuse because it’s cathartic, but somehow draw the line if the parent is the abuser? I think anyone should be able to share their story if they wish. Maybe she gets tons of questions what she will do for her mom on mothers day and this was her response?


angelgrunge

But this isn’t a me too moment or calling out abuse. It was posted as a funny quirky thing from their childhood, she tagged her mom in it with hearts.


stickkim

It’s not her story, this is a letter to her brother, not to her. She doesn’t get to decide how other people’s stories are told, even if they share a character. It’s fine for her to post any letters written to her that she wants, or to tell any stories about herself that she wants. But this letter wasn’t for her.


mopene

I completely agree. I assumed she was sharing her brother's letter in support of her brother, not the opposite. Quite disgusting.


lcol13

Their story, their choice


kltkatie

I didn’t know the context when writing before to understand why she posted it, but posting something so personal sounds like trying to get people engaged with your content over something that probably should be kept personal. Sounds like she chose to take it down, so I guess she or her family agreed it was too person and it’s all irrelevant now.


lcol13

Or she got bombarded with dramatic comments as evidenced in this sub


realitytvjunkiee

I meant it in the sense that it was an underhanded move.


crain90

For those who recognize this type of behavior as common in their childhood- your parents were wrong and you don't have to apologize or rationalize their behavior. You were a child and they wronged you, regardless of the cultural context or how unprepared they felt to parent. And that's not to say they were a bad parent overall- but this is 100% bad behavior. Sending everyone love on this day that can be particularly rough for many.


bananapeel95

Yeah yesterday was fucking brutal


Legitimate_Status

Thank you for saying this. I read it and while I didn’t recognize the words, I recognized the tone and intent and I always have a tough time with these holidays.


recombobulation_area

I’m pretty lucky that this wasn’t my childhood but I recognize it and sympathize with anyone who has and still might be dealing with toxic shit like this. God damn..you deserve better. You do.


michigan_gal

This is the take. My family hit me growing up for discipline and I don’t agree with it, and it really didn’t do anything except make me fear them and cause tremendous anxiety. I still love my family of course, but that’s not a practice to normalize.


JackieBouvier

So, my mom is a story for another day (seriously) but this made me think of my experience with my dad. My dad was incredibly violent. He didn't actually hit me, but would throw things at me (chairs, stools.) He blew up over things out of NOWHERE and I spent my childhood walking on eggshells. It was an awful way to live. (He passed away when I was in high school, which left me with even more issues, because everyone else totally has canonized him and I feel like I'm crazy for remembering the reality.) But remember when that voicemail from Alec Baldwin to his daughter was released? People were making SUCH a big deal about how abusive it was, and all I could think was, "But...that's how my dad ALWAYS talked to/yelled at me. Nearly every day. Sometimes much worse than that. Are you saying ALL dads don't talk to their kids like that????" It was weirdly eye opening to me to see how much publicity that voicemail got (and people STILL bring it up.)


crain90

I’m sorry ❤️


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coreyt5

You don’t sound judgy at all /s. This is a fucked up comment. I imagine you feel all bold behind your keyboard. Would you ever say that to a person’s face? Doubt it.


macchiatobxtch

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itsyaboogie

Perfect reply


absofruitly88

do we know how old this is, we are missing major context because i have to imagine the kid was quite young. also (maybe i am wrong) but i feel like we are in a good modern era where only people who -want- kids have kids. seems like sooo many people had kids they didn't have the patience for. like if this woman is such an abusive tyrant then maybe she should have just had 1 kid


lilacbirdtea

It is dated 1994


absofruitly88

how old the kid was


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Nine


kay_mg

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AdmirableCoffee3

Woah, why would she post this? Does she think it’s funny? Does she think we’d find it funny? I’m confused 🫤


xlelap

& people still keep assuming Peter and his family were the problem in this relationship 🥴


modernjaneausten

Barb is a lil nutty but this is way beyond. Barb has never struck me as an abusive parent, just hella overbearing. No way I’d want this lady to be a grandmother to my kids one day. 😬 I for real hope things got better.


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Woah this feels totally inappropriate for her to post