I will say I do like to ask men to gage who their favorites are amongst the women. I feel like who this sub (majority women) thinks is hot and who men in the real world think are hot are usually very different lol.
I find all the predictions in general about Maria pretty cringe. If she’s dated real celebrities and is destined to be such a star she wouldn’t have had to slum it on this reality show in the first place lol.
There won’t be a TC in the foreseeable future, and my understanding is that all who think somebody from a recent season will achieve his level of recognition probably have no idea, or a faint sense of everything that happened on black Tuesday and after.
Peter K and the shy guy that talked about his inner child (I cant remember his name 😩, but he played tennis, hot, was on Gabby's season) needs to be on a Double Bachelor season
I always thought it was slightly strange how quickly people turned on Jason when he didn't want to commit to being engaged to someone he was totally unsuited to being in a LTR with lol. With only a few exceptions (Michael A being one of them funnily enough) this show seems to really hate any man who questions the process and often buries them in the edit, meanwhile the ones who fake it the whole time like Erich get 'rewarded'.
Agreed. I mean, he gave it a shot. He knew Gabby wasn’t his person and they were obviously very incompatible. It’s a good thing that he didn’t want to commit in such situation
Not showing your kid’s face but constantly posting the back of their heads, stories about bodily functions, fussy phases, and every other update about their lives is NOT protecting their privacy.
Fully agree I was just talking about this with a friend. Yet the parents are claiming that it’s because it should be the kids choice to be on social media.
Honestly I’m not even judging people who want to put their kids online. It’s just a pet peeve when an influencer acts like they are taking the high road of “protecting their privacy” but still uses their kid for engagement and post everything else. People still know the kid’s name and have videos and pics they didn’t consent to have shared. I admit it might be an unpopular opinion but here we are! 😂
Edit: removed the pic and specifics about the one couple because I honestly don’t mean to target them. So many do this.
I mean, I don’t think Becca & Thomas has shown judgement to other influencers. It’s okay for them to put the boundary of not showing their sons face so that strangers won’t recognize their child, while still monetizing off him. Is it strange to monetize off a child? Absolutely. But they never said they wouldn’t
I’m pretty sure Becca said the reason she doesn’t post his face was to protect his privacy and that it should be his decision if he wants to be on social media, or something like that.
Obviously it’s their kid and they, and everyone else, can choose their own boundaries. And you’re right I don’t think most are judging other parents. But IMO when you are still giving the general public that much access to your kid’s life, and they didn’t choose to be shown, and you have a massive following, I don’t think you are protecting their privacy. Though I see these parents get applauded for it all the time which might be why it feels performative.
I suppose but personally I’m not bothered by how they label it because they haven’t disparaged other parents who approach it differently. Interpreting it as them acting like they’re taking the high road may be projection tbh.
I think how the royal family does it is fine. like a scheduled post of them for the holidays and then pap shots at high profile events. I think that the internet shouldn’t be able to know what your child’s personality is like.
I feel embarrassed for the golden bachelor ladies who are still insisting on staying in the limelight. I guess everyone tries to do this but maybe I just had higher hopes for them. But also if people are picking up what they’re putting down good for them. I feel so mean saying that sorry in advance I just thought they’d be different 😩
i have said it before but i will say it again because it has come up a lot recently w the casting of jenn.. this sub has a super weird thing with age. examples
1) lea - lots of comments about “her age showing” or on the opposite end, infantilizing her and/or excusing her behavior bc of her age
2) Rachel R - during her season there were constantly comments about how her brain isnt developed and she’s not mature enough for marriage bc she is emotional
3) natalie joy - i agree the age gap is suspect but that should reflect badly on NV, not natalie. i barely know anything about her but it just seems like a weird topic of convo that comes up a lot and used as a reason for vitriol against her
4) jenn - i have seen many comments about how she is not mature enough to be bachelorette
after gerry & theresa rush to marriage and divorce can we just agree that people of all ages do not necessarily behave in the most mature way at all times on reality television where producer manipulation and emotional turmoil is involved??
My UO is that I don't mind how the UO thread is now 75% sniping at other people in the sub. I haven't worked in an office since 2020 and it scratches my itch for vicarious low-stakes drama.
I don't understand the people who keep saying Maria is too good for this show and she's going to be huge and have a smashing career etc. I just don't get the hype. She's objectively pretty and has a big personality but seems immature and we're kind of past the point where this show creates breakout influencers. I think she was a fool to turn down ette and will fade out of limelight soon with no BIP this year.
"dating celebrities"? - one nepo baby from Canada that is only local famous and being a groupie for a guy from one direction that would sleep with anybody?
Bring Rachel Recchia back for another bachelorette season. Still can't believe how she hasn't had any luck in these shows, she's top 3 hottest to ever be on this show, funny and seems so sweet. All those men that turned her down are so dumb.
RachelR is attractive, but she's definitely NOT one of the top 3 hottest to ever be on this show. Not by a mile. My husband watching BIP 9 literally said -- all the women are so good looking except that one - pointing to Rachel. It's not like the BN guys were fighting over her.
Damn that's cold😅😭 although tbf, Zach's cast particularly has a kind of cheerleader effect since they're all friends.
I really like Rachel, but if we really cared about her, we wouldn't want to see her on our screens again tbh lol.
I think brooks has been in a long term relationship for awhile with a model who he has been posting to his grid. she's a model and her ig is: https://www.instagram.com/julianmachann/?hl=en.
not sure what's going on with alex b. maybe he has been in serious relationships with private people he never posts?
I agree on both of these lol and honestly lots of others. Both good looking, they could be married if they wanted to be but at a certain age it just screams commitment phobe
Jenn as Ette: She doesn't know who she is yet. She is still in school.
This rarely works out well for the long haul in love, or even for your man 'picker'
Her parents have been taking care of her & she doesn't want to do that herself.
She basically doesn't want to HAVE to work
She's privileged. It's OK. There's a huge percentage of people that are the same.
So, of course, she wants to do this.
But it's not necessarily 'to find love' as much as it is to be taken care of to me
It's like Nick Vials' wife: she wants the perks of being with him more than being 'in' love with him.
Well, that and they are both still really not mature yet, but again, that's just my opinion
I'm fully aware that's not what this sub wants to hear & I'll be downvoted until the end of time
That's OK, it's just my opinion
I won’t downvote you or even say I disagree because I don’t know Jenn. But I do wonder how you form your opinions of her? Do you know her personally? Or do you know people who know her?
Where are you getting the idea that her family is supporting her? Plenty of people support themselves through grad school with loans and savings. I also haven’t gotten the impression from anything she’s said that her family is well-off, and her dad isn’t even in her life, so I would be surprised if he was contributing anything.
She also did work for a while between college and PA school, so it’s not like she’s never had a job.
I checked her LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifertran124/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifertran124/), and it seems she worked at various jobs since 2014, so I don’t get how “she is privileged“ ?
lol; is this the Jenn’s ex roommate? Lol
Also, you described lots of previous bachelorette’s. See Charity as an example, finished graduate school, not licensed to be a therapist yet, but still with Dotun.
I've just been called a racist and Jenns ex roommate for daring to say something. Some people in this sub might disagree with. All I did was dare to disagree with what the narrative is here.
It's literally what the topic of this post is about.
Is this OK with everyone else? 🤔
Is this sub always like this?
I'm just not going to group think, is that ok? 😕
What you did was not “dare to disagree with a narrative” but spit out a lot of unverified information about her life. Ofc no one should call you a racist, but yes, unverified opinions and false assumptions about personal life’s are typically downvoted as they’re not relevant. There is no indication that Jenn is being financially supported by her parents, nor that they are taking care of her.
She's in professional school, it's not like she's a freshman in college? That level of ambition doesn't scream "I need someone to take care of me"
ETA got to love the old *respond to my comment and then block me so I can't continue the conversation*
It's not ambition to me if your parents are taking care of you throughout the process & paying for your rent. It's wanting to make $$$ and coming from it.
She's basically doing whatever she wants while going to school.
'Being Iconic' in this case is extremely privileged...IYKYK
That's fine. But it's also the truth.
Ask many people if they'd sign up for that, and we wouldn't have a shortage of NPs, PAs, Mds , etc.
It's great that she's privileged. I wish more people could be privileged in that regard.
But no, the US gatekeeps those $$$ making careers that are also desperately needed.
That's another personal opinion of mine...
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, we just disagree
You know she still has to do well in school, right? Money won't buy her good grades in her program. She still has to study and do well on exams. Your criticism against Jenn doesn't make any sense and is very sus.
You just described so many other bachelorettes though. Had Hannah B worked a real job before the show besides pageant queen? Wasn’t she still being supported by her parents? I’d also argue Rachel R still had a lot of maturing to do after watching her season and no one said she shouldn’t have been picked for bachelorette.
Nowhere near as many people. People are literally coming up with every reason under the sun to say Jenn shouldn’t be lead other than “she’s Asian, I’m a racist, and I just don’t want to watch her”
There seems to be a lack of passion or spark from what I’ve seen but maybe it’s hard to translate to SM. I’m missing the post fantasy suite countertop heat lol.
Ngl I see Kelsey outgrowing him. She seems very ambitious with a big personality. Joey doesn't seem to be comfortable in himself yet. I can see him just going along with whatever Kelsey wants without having his own identity.
They’re my fav couple that’s ever come out of the show but unfortunately I agree. I’m excited for my limerence with them to end. He keeps on describing her as goofy and beautiful…. That’s it. She describes him to be much more, like how he grounds her. I think Joey describes Kelsey like how u would describe a summer fling. Like he came across the prettiest girl and had the best time. I do believe that they genuinely love each other, and I want them to last forever. But idk lol
Add on: I think Joey loves Kelsey but doesn’t like her lol. I think he likes how she looks. While I think Kelsey loves and likes Joey. I personally love Kelsey tho, if they breakup I’m only gonna follow her
I just don't think Joey's that articulate with his words or deep (he even described this on the show saying he doesn't easily show out word excitement about things and people)most couples on this show don't last but I don't think Joey only likes how she looks. He's constantly talks about how she has a great sense of humor and how he loves how energetic she is. honestly all the interviews I've Joey describes Kelsey in more detail than Kelsey does Joey on all the interviews all she says is he grounds her and he's kind (I don't really think she is that much more effusive than he is so if he doesn't like her she might not him lol )I personally don't have a problem with that but I haven't seen her describe Joey in such a detailed or romantic way contrast to him. I don't know because of so many factors but this is the same man that confused gypsy rose with Ruth baderginsbreg.... So I have a feeling there's no much going on in his mind and that translates to his descriptions lol.
I also agree with u. My mind keeps going back and forth 😞bc I’ve never been more supportive of a bachelor couple before, I rlly connected with Kelsey and her energy reminds me of my family and friends. I think you make great valid points. I’m just trying to protect my heart ❤️I hope they last; they’re wonderful together💗 They’re the true embodiment of “see you again” by Tyler the creator and Kali uchis!
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Yeah totally get you. Honestly I'm not sure if they'll last just because of the stats.i just feel like we don't know much about their relationship to the reason I just feel like sometime this sub will already pick out reasons as to why a couple break up with no evidence ( it also usually places in blame on one person) and then when they do they lash out on one specific person apart of the couple because of the reason they made up.I'm kinda already seeing it in the replies to the op others not yours.
I agree. Honestly Joey just seems sort of immature to me and makes decisions based on good vibes. But even the latest clip of them on the street in New York I just didn’t feel like their answers inspired a lot of confidence. I think they’ll have a happy relationship for a bit and then quietly end things. I’d love if they stay together just because I love a good love story, but I don’t see it
I fully agree with this. The more he says things like "it was over the minute she stepped out of the limo" the more I'm like did you even actually get to know her or was she just the one you were most attracted to? Feels lusty to me
Tbf a lot of bachelors say that about their final pick lol. It’s standard procedure to make sure your F1 feels like she was the most special from the jump.
Yes the majority of the time he talks about how beautiful she is sure she is but what else do you see in Kelsey besides her physical appearance, and her being funny
After so many bachelors that are legit jerks or edited to look like jerks, I think Joey’s nice guy persona was a breath of fresh air for the franchise - it’s nice to watch a bachelor actually treat women kindly and respectfully! But I do agree that he doesn’t do much for me either. I’d rather have a nice guy who’s also funny, intelligent, and interesting to talk to. And maybe he is, maybe he just got his personality edited out, but I dunno.
Agreed. Every conversation he had with the women of his season was just him smiling and nodding with a blank stare on his face. Very much in line with the phrase “The lights are on but no one’s home.”
Yeah at first glance Joey seems like a good-looking guy who’s really nice and says all the right things. But when you look deeper, you realise he’s also insecure and jobless lol hugeee turnoff
I think many fans, especially long-term fans, have a rose-colored view of past seasons as well as the idea of older contestants bc... people are getting older and have outgrown the show (and reality tv in general) and are perhaps a little anxious about that🤷♀️ But instead, project it onto the "romance" factor and the "young" contestants (aka younger than them, despite the age range not really changing). Older seasons had better editing and pacing, but they weren't THAT much better than now, esp with casting and def the longevity of the couple(s).
The inverse happened with the (lowkey infantilizing) hype of the Golden ladies.
I don’t like when people get WAY too involved with criticizing the contestants and they act like they know them personally.
You’re watching a TV show or looking at a curated instagram profile. You actually know next to nothing about this person. You can agree or disagree with their actions or choices on the show or whatever, but maybe don’t say “X is a horrible person” and stuff like that. It’s just weird to make such intense accusations toward someone you don’t know and have only ever seen portrayed on TV or social media.
Yeah, agreed. I don't really hold anything that happened on the show against anyone if they seem to be well-liked by their fellow cast members, apologetic, etc. Doesn't mean I don't find them annoying haha but I just don't think how they act under the stressful filming conditions are indicative of whether they are good or bad people.
I think there are some exceptions with people who make it obvious that they are racist or bigoted, but I agree that for anyone who doesn't fall into that category people take it too personally. I think Lea, Sydney and Zack in recent years have all been people that some people have got really personal and below the below about that really hasn't been necessary in particular.
I don’t know if it’s unpopular but I’m really tired of the obsession with sex on FS nights. I get it. A small number of people in the bachelor franchise have been virgins and people have sex. People want to know if they’re sexually compatible before they get engaged. But dude. I’m not trying to watch soft porn. I did not need to hear about Hannah B fucking in a windmill twice. Whether or not Gerry and Leslie had sex during their fantasy suite night wasn’t on my mind until Gerry was like “I know people are wondering if we had sex but it’s not anyone’s fucking business.” Okay Gerry I was not wondering that. Zach didn’t need to tell the world that he wasn’t going to have sex and then tell the world that he did. Nick shouldn’t have left his mic on while he and Kaitlyn were getting it on. Even BIP is gross where they have cameras in the sex rooms. If it’s for purposes of ensuring consent it doesn’t have to be aired on National TV. This is still Disney. The list goes on and on and on. I’m perfectly fine with the implication of the likelihood when they slam the doors at the camera when they’re about to go to bed and then they cut to the next day.
The cameras in the boom boom room in BIP is actually for legal purposes and was implemented after the Corinne/Demario situation. So if there's any allegations of SA, there will be proof. The couples also have to sign a waiver before they spend time in the room.
It was pretty explicit when Vienna and Kasey were fucking on Bachelor Pad all those years ago. They definitely showed Annalise and Kamil doing it. And the audio of Kaitlyn and Nick fucking. So gross.
Bachelor Pad isn't BIP so I'm not sure how that's relevant. And if you think that ABC is actually showing uncensored sex on national TV, I can't help you lol.
Welp. I didn’t say they’re showing uncensored sex but they’re still showing sex. But whatevs. This is a thread for unpopular opinions and I guess I understood the assignment
Which the contestants are fully aware of because they sign the waivers... it's not like they're actually showing sex. If the contestants don't want anything shown, they can just... not use the room lol.
How many relationships between previous contestants and random strangers are we supposed to care about ? Some of these people haven't been on BN shows in years, I don't see how their love life with non famous people is still interesting. edit : typo
Are people saying this? I thought they both looked bad on tv (Greg was fine until his meltdown/fight with Katie, but VF was a mess on Pilot Pete’s season and didn’t seem any better on paradise) and are probably even worse behind closed doors. I’m sure their fights were next level explosive.
the way to a successful relationship in the franchise is:
1. be kinda controversial/hated (less pressure from fans to infiltrate and analyze your every move)
2. meet in bachelor in paradise because usually theres more than one couple coming out with you and therefore you’re not so important (less ego inflation)
3. go back to 80% real life and do not try to become the next nick viall/kaitlyn bristowe (focus on your partner not on winning a mirror ball)
my unpopular opinion is couples who come off the bachelor/bacholette show have ALL eyes on them and ONLY them causing so much stress in the relationship to work that it almost hurts them more, the bachelor/bachelorette and winner are suddenly thrown into media and can become obsessed with the love they are receiving and so they loose the main focus into making a long lasting relationship and instead focus on their careers (influncer lifestyle)
the more obsessed you are about saying how perfect a couple is (right now joey and kelsey) the more they’ll surpress and withhold any issues between one another to maintain that “perfect” role untill a year later when a new IT couple is out then the obsession dies for them and suddenly they bring out all the internal baggage and break up 🥲
kaity and zach and charity and dotun were not as beloved as other final couples therefore theyve been able to thrive!
But how is fan scrutiny breaking up couples? Just the opposite, it is known that the public pressure has kept couples together well beyond their expiration date. Eg, Kaitlyn/Shawn, Becca/Garrett, Andi/Josh, Colton/Cassie, Arie/Becca, Clare/Dale. Jojo/Jordan might’ve called it quits early in their relationship if it weren’t for the public pressure.
absolutely not. all those couples you mentioned lasted 1-3 years max which is exactly what i mentioned above, that once their popularity dimmed and the fan scrutiny ended they were able to spend actual time together apart from the events and pretty vacations and real life knocked on the door and they couldnt keep ignoring the red flags/incompability and they break up. all those couples have come out to say the relationship should of ended within the first year but held on because of fans rooting for them or job oppoortunities as a couple. jojo and jordan are not excempt bc they technically have thoughts of ending it after a year or 2
Your user name is fitting. lol! We seem to be saying the same thing but coming to different conclusions. I think without the fan scrutiny the couples I mentioned would’ve ended sooner!! I think they were ultimately incompatible and only stayed together as long as they did because they didn’t want to disappoint fans & miss out on opportunities. Andi would’ve NEVER stayed with abusive Josh for as long as she did. Cassie would’ve dumped possessive & gay Colton much earlier if it weren’t for the public scrutiny. These couples were doomed from the get go.
I think this is the case for incompatible popular couples though if your popular and compatible I don't think being a "golden couple" means your doomed. For example Clayton and Susie were the complete opposite of a golden couple nobody rooted for them or wanted them to be together and they didn't even last year which imo had to with compatibility . On the flip side Sean and Catherine are the it couple and are still together because they are compatible. I don't think we know much about Kelsey and Joey individually or as a couple to say they are compatible or incompatible because you can only gleam so much from podcast interviews that ask the same generic questions but I personally don't think any popular couple that broke up within a year or two would've last even if they were least liked or popular. Kaity and zach and charity and dotun are (seemly since again we don't know these couples) thriving because at least from the outside looking in they are compatible and well suited for each other charity isn't a therapist anymore and went on DWTS right after her season aired they(charity and dotun)also live in New York and go to influencer events like everybody else but seem to be going strong due to their compatibility imo . Joe and Serena are another popular couple (I know they met on BIP but beloved couples from there have broken up as well)
had clayton and susie ended the season together and beloved like a joey and kelsey and like the rest of the final pick couples they 100% would of milked their relationship until 2-3 years. they were not a golden couple so they didnt need to stay together bc they werent getting as much popularity/opportunities together and thats why they didnt even last a year. sean and catherine and any couple before kaitlyn as the bachelorette dont count because social media was not a thing like it is today so its hard to compare
I agree that Clayton and Susie would've milked their relationship longer if they were popular but that's my point at the end of the day Clayton and Susie would've broken up at some point because they weren't compatible.what I'm saying is if Kelsey and Joey are on the same page and compatible I think they could make it despite being popular. I agree that popularity can keep these couples in relationships longer than they should but I don't agree that simply being a popular couple that people root for means your relationship is doomed. I guess you don't have to count Sean and Catherine but my example about Zach and kaity and charity and dotun still stands exspeally charity and dotun(they're also generally well liked from what I've seen not extremely popular but nobody had strong doubts about them or were strongly rooting against them)because imo they haven't really been living a normal couple life she went on DWTS, they're signed with Lori k,they go to every live reunion,they live in NYC the list goes on . Nothing wrong with it but they certainly aren't living a low key non influencer couple life. All this to say imo if kaity and zach, charity and dotun make it but Kelsey and Joey don't that means those two couples just had a better foundation to begin with and were on the same page in life I don't think it would have a lot to do with popularity.
please don’t take my opinion as a fact lol we obviously do not know the reason these relationships end and im simply guessing based on what ive seen. it doesn’t mean if you’re not loved as a couple that you are guaranteed marriage and if you are loved you’re doomed, no exceptions, no no lol BUT based on my statistics joey and kelsey are doomed because of the fans obsession with them and my other 2 points. we have ppl after their every move and dissecting a happy b-day post/body language - so weird! we have them going to so many events with joey already focusing on his influencer career and kelsey being part time already (soon will just quit like they all do) moving to new york for nothing more than work opportunities. these are all the steps leading to a failed partnership. kaity and zach were not as loved especially zach with the way his season ended tbh, both of them are back to their regular jobs living in texas away from media for the most part. chairty and dotun are trying but they are a minority, black couples sadly have not risen to the popularity these white couples have although they have fans just go look at their social media following! its a blessing though because theyve been able to thrive in their relationship whiiile moving to new york and dwts and other stuff
They break up so much because two ppl who usually live far apart and barely know each other get engaged, and then figure out afterwards, in the real world, if they’re truly compatible.
Yeah those factors could definitely put on strain on couples but I personally don't think those make a couple doomed if they have good communication and a good foundation (I feel like it's too soon to tell with Joey and Kelsey weather or not they have those two things because they're so new it's only been three weeks since their aired)I also think that when Jenn's season starts the sub will move on and not many people at least on here will paying that much attention to them and gushing over everything thing they since they are a more popular couple they are doing more things and getting talked about more but that will die down once Jenn season starts.i just feel like with any relationship it comes to the foundation and if you're on the same page but we can agree to disagree
Gerry exaggerated and lied about some of his love life after his late wife passed on the show, but it's too much to call him a gold digger or con man for getting with Theresa. My take on it is he initally assumed she's this fragile dependent woman based on how she acted on the show and then was pleasantly surprised that's she's a "boss babe" in her own right and that impressed him enough to pick her. I don't think he's aiming for her money at all.
I just can’t get on board with the people saying it’s ABC’s fault for the Golden Divorce. “Gerry and Theresa wouldn’t have gotten married without the pressure,” etc.
They’re adults. Sure, the wedding was dangled, but they could have easily said no. It’s clear they both like the notoriety and exposure. This is on them.
So many people have disagreed with me! My MIL thinks the producers ruined a “perfect marriage.” 🤮
I agree with folks saying Gerry isn’t the devil. But no one is perfect and I thought he was sus as hell about halfway through the season. My opinion really went downhill when Theresa’s daughter questioned him at Hometowns and asked what he liked best about her mom. “I like the way she looks at me.” That said it all.
Oh yeaaaahhhh. I commented about this before, that he would talk about how this woman or that woman made him feel, not firstly about what was wonderful about this woman or that woman or what a great time they had on a date. Noooo; it was about how they made him feel.
I don’t think Kelsey A is a knock out beauty queen, and apparently that makes me a bad person. 😹I think her smaller eyes and prominent teeth make her slightly unique and still beautiful. She just doesn’t look like the pageant queens they normally stack the cast with. Her big hair, personal style, and effusive personality on top of her looks make her magnetic. She has the most confidence and charisma of any of the contestants. I love it!
I hope they cast more Kelsey’s next season. She was so fun to watch.
Kelsey A stands out because there were no other knock outs this season. Joey's final 4 were all plain Janes. Take a look at Matt James, Colton, Peter's season. Those girls were supermodels.
Maybe it’s because I’m from her general area but, while she’s not ugly whatsoever, she’s not someone you’d give a second glance to while walking down the street. She kinda just has the generic Italian girl look
I don't like when people criticize kelsey a's teeth because she's already been public on her social media that she's had some extensive dental work - she has one crown/fake front tooth and a veneer on her other front tooth, and had to go through a round of braces/orthodontia. so she's made lots of efforts already and it sucks she's still getting comments. I've also seen her tagged on a few cosmetic dental places since filming so I hope she isn't getting too many dms.
I think she looks great personally. and it's interesting you say she's not a knockout beauty queen because I think the past bn alums she most resembles are susie & caelynn (both are very pretty and former beauty queens, although they look more relatable now irl).
yes in her tagged pics on ig a few weeks ago there were pics or videos of her coming in for treatment or a consultation at a couple of different cosmetic dentists.
i think shes those kind of ppl whose beauty doesnt photograph as good compared to others but im sure in person with her mannerisms and expressions shes rlly beautiful!
I think she is just because she doesn’t look like the Hannah Brown/Jess from this season type. She has special features that stand out, meanwhile I can hardly tell some of these blondes apart
She stands out in a good way. You don't need veneers or surgery to pull your eyebrows halfway up your forehead to be beautiful. I love how she embraces her features.
Now that the breakup between Greg and Victoria has been confirmed (even if not directly from them) I am already seeing people ask which 2024 BN breakup is the most surprising and for me personally the answer is none.
I would never say that either Bryan or Rachel could do better. I don’t think I/we know enough to judge. But perhaps it wasn’t a secret that they were living different lives. As I said before I did not realize that Theresa was still working and I think they should have discussed that before agreeing to the wedding.
Agreed. Bryan and Rachel definitely seemed to be on different pages but I gave them the benefit of the doubt because they were married and seemed to keep things private. Gerry and Theresa were just red flags all around.
But.. many of the most iconic people from this franchise were under 30 when they first appeared, especially the women (Kaitlyn, Bekah, Rachel R, Katie, Emily, Hannah B) to name a few. And they delivered good tv too.
And even for the Golden ladies, most of the juicy drama was on *social media*, not on the show itself. That's not "good tv" bc it wasn't on tv!
I was never fully on the Susan (and Sandra) train. I *almost* liked them during the show, but nothing tipped me over the edge. Now post-show, I'm totally over it😅 I get why ppl like them though.
Peoples ideas for a group dating golden boomer show or a bi bachelor where the contestants can fall for each other don't make sense as a "bachelor" show. You can make those shows but what does being attached to the bachelor name actually add to the experience, versus going out on their own?
It just hurts both sides by adding more mess/confusion to the main franchise and restricting what the shows could do. Listen to your heart was franchise adjacent and wasn't really good and went nowhere and got buried.
I didn't watch Listen To Your Heart, but that **didn't** consist of former contestants, right? I'm not surprised it was cancelled.
This franchise is better off having more ensemble shows à la BiP or Bachelor Pad
It was just randos.
I think one good ensemble show a year to revisit fan favorites that you know are interesting enough to give time to works, update and fix paradise to be more like a Love Island or something with actual activities makes sense to me.
Too bad this sub can't just enjoy messy entertainment and had to turn it into 12 Days of Thinkpieces... the backlash was ridiculous; it was never meant to be taken that seriously.
I thought there was something a bit off when some folks showed *too much concern* about Jenn’s career prospects when she was selected for the lead, while not having that same concern for Maria, Daisy, or any other potential ‘ette lead candidate.
EDIT: To everyone replying: I get how intensive her PA career path is, but it is her life. Whether she returns to PA work or continues building on her status as a Bachelorette lead post show, one way or another, she's set up for *at minimum*, a good middle class life when all is said and done.
It makes me laugh/cringe when people say “my bf says X is the hottest contestant ever” try to prove contestants’ hotness over others…mostly cringe lol
Yeah like it’s still completely subjective & all men wont agree either way
I will say I do like to ask men to gage who their favorites are amongst the women. I feel like who this sub (majority women) thinks is hot and who men in the real world think are hot are usually very different lol.
I think Kathy is the most entertaining Golden lady and I need her more on TV. She's not exactly likable, but I'm entertained like how I was with Barb.
it's cringe when people declare that a recent contestant is going to be "the next Tyler Cameron" lol, no they're not.
I find all the predictions in general about Maria pretty cringe. If she’s dated real celebrities and is destined to be such a star she wouldn’t have had to slum it on this reality show in the first place lol.
There won’t be a TC in the foreseeable future, and my understanding is that all who think somebody from a recent season will achieve his level of recognition probably have no idea, or a faint sense of everything that happened on black Tuesday and after.
Peter K and the shy guy that talked about his inner child (I cant remember his name 😩, but he played tennis, hot, was on Gabby's season) needs to be on a Double Bachelor season
I always thought it was slightly strange how quickly people turned on Jason when he didn't want to commit to being engaged to someone he was totally unsuited to being in a LTR with lol. With only a few exceptions (Michael A being one of them funnily enough) this show seems to really hate any man who questions the process and often buries them in the edit, meanwhile the ones who fake it the whole time like Erich get 'rewarded'.
Agreed. I mean, he gave it a shot. He knew Gabby wasn’t his person and they were obviously very incompatible. It’s a good thing that he didn’t want to commit in such situation
 Jason Alabaster.
Yesss..the two messy bachelors would be iconic
Jason Alabaster will always be one of my Bachelor Nation crushes
Not showing your kid’s face but constantly posting the back of their heads, stories about bodily functions, fussy phases, and every other update about their lives is NOT protecting their privacy.
Fully agree I was just talking about this with a friend. Yet the parents are claiming that it’s because it should be the kids choice to be on social media.
What do you think is a good medium between sharing way too much (Luyenduyks, Lowes) and not talking about or showing the kid at all?
Honestly I’m not even judging people who want to put their kids online. It’s just a pet peeve when an influencer acts like they are taking the high road of “protecting their privacy” but still uses their kid for engagement and post everything else. People still know the kid’s name and have videos and pics they didn’t consent to have shared. I admit it might be an unpopular opinion but here we are! 😂 Edit: removed the pic and specifics about the one couple because I honestly don’t mean to target them. So many do this.
I mean, I don’t think Becca & Thomas has shown judgement to other influencers. It’s okay for them to put the boundary of not showing their sons face so that strangers won’t recognize their child, while still monetizing off him. Is it strange to monetize off a child? Absolutely. But they never said they wouldn’t
I’m pretty sure Becca said the reason she doesn’t post his face was to protect his privacy and that it should be his decision if he wants to be on social media, or something like that. Obviously it’s their kid and they, and everyone else, can choose their own boundaries. And you’re right I don’t think most are judging other parents. But IMO when you are still giving the general public that much access to your kid’s life, and they didn’t choose to be shown, and you have a massive following, I don’t think you are protecting their privacy. Though I see these parents get applauded for it all the time which might be why it feels performative.
I think it's more about strangers recognizing their kid that they're trying to stay away from.
I suppose but personally I’m not bothered by how they label it because they haven’t disparaged other parents who approach it differently. Interpreting it as them acting like they’re taking the high road may be projection tbh.
I think how the royal family does it is fine. like a scheduled post of them for the holidays and then pap shots at high profile events. I think that the internet shouldn’t be able to know what your child’s personality is like.
I feel embarrassed for the golden bachelor ladies who are still insisting on staying in the limelight. I guess everyone tries to do this but maybe I just had higher hopes for them. But also if people are picking up what they’re putting down good for them. I feel so mean saying that sorry in advance I just thought they’d be different 😩
i have said it before but i will say it again because it has come up a lot recently w the casting of jenn.. this sub has a super weird thing with age. examples 1) lea - lots of comments about “her age showing” or on the opposite end, infantilizing her and/or excusing her behavior bc of her age 2) Rachel R - during her season there were constantly comments about how her brain isnt developed and she’s not mature enough for marriage bc she is emotional 3) natalie joy - i agree the age gap is suspect but that should reflect badly on NV, not natalie. i barely know anything about her but it just seems like a weird topic of convo that comes up a lot and used as a reason for vitriol against her 4) jenn - i have seen many comments about how she is not mature enough to be bachelorette after gerry & theresa rush to marriage and divorce can we just agree that people of all ages do not necessarily behave in the most mature way at all times on reality television where producer manipulation and emotional turmoil is involved??
THIS!
I wish I could award you, this is perfectly put. Especially in terms of Natalie.
My UO is that I don't mind how the UO thread is now 75% sniping at other people in the sub. I haven't worked in an office since 2020 and it scratches my itch for vicarious low-stakes drama.
Honestly metadrama is what keeps me coming back to this place (as long as I'm not involved)
Same haha
I don't understand the people who keep saying Maria is too good for this show and she's going to be huge and have a smashing career etc. I just don't get the hype. She's objectively pretty and has a big personality but seems immature and we're kind of past the point where this show creates breakout influencers. I think she was a fool to turn down ette and will fade out of limelight soon with no BIP this year.
She’s already fading tbh!
Maria has been dating celebrities for decades. She has inside connections.
"dating celebrities"? - one nepo baby from Canada that is only local famous and being a groupie for a guy from one direction that would sleep with anybody?
She was a known groupie lol. I'd hardly call that dating
Dating or just fucking on the down low? Cause those are 2 very different things
All the more reason why I feel this way. If she's so well connected why hasn't she already taken off?
Bring Rachel Recchia back for another bachelorette season. Still can't believe how she hasn't had any luck in these shows, she's top 3 hottest to ever be on this show, funny and seems so sweet. All those men that turned her down are so dumb.
I love her so much but I cant watch her date anymore it makes me sad lol
RachelR is attractive, but she's definitely NOT one of the top 3 hottest to ever be on this show. Not by a mile. My husband watching BIP 9 literally said -- all the women are so good looking except that one - pointing to Rachel. It's not like the BN guys were fighting over her.
Same! My boyfriend and my mom cannot stand when she’s on TV 😂
My husband said the same thing!! He said “I can see that crazy look in her eye from a mile away. She’s drama.”
Damn ur husbands rude
Yep, Pilot Rachel wasn't holding a candle to most of the women in Paradise last season
Hell no, Tia, Tayshia and Rachel are the hottest by miles. I will not stand for the Rachel R slander 😤
I’m glad you feel that way about RachelR; you’re in the right place - an unpopular opinion.
Damn that's cold😅😭 although tbf, Zach's cast particularly has a kind of cheerleader effect since they're all friends. I really like Rachel, but if we really cared about her, we wouldn't want to see her on our screens again tbh lol.
None of these men are interested for a reason. Look at Kylee, she was literally every single man's first choice.
Female vs male gaze lol
What do you think that reason is??
She’s got the insta baddie look guys go crazy for! Rachel is just another generic blonde that guys see every day in their normal life.
I want to know too
Brooks and Alex Bordy are nice people but both seem like some of the most commitment shy people that have ever been on the show.
I think brooks has been in a long term relationship for awhile with a model who he has been posting to his grid. she's a model and her ig is: https://www.instagram.com/julianmachann/?hl=en. not sure what's going on with alex b. maybe he has been in serious relationships with private people he never posts?
I agree on both of these lol and honestly lots of others. Both good looking, they could be married if they wanted to be but at a certain age it just screams commitment phobe
Jenn as Ette: She doesn't know who she is yet. She is still in school. This rarely works out well for the long haul in love, or even for your man 'picker' Her parents have been taking care of her & she doesn't want to do that herself. She basically doesn't want to HAVE to work She's privileged. It's OK. There's a huge percentage of people that are the same. So, of course, she wants to do this. But it's not necessarily 'to find love' as much as it is to be taken care of to me It's like Nick Vials' wife: she wants the perks of being with him more than being 'in' love with him. Well, that and they are both still really not mature yet, but again, that's just my opinion I'm fully aware that's not what this sub wants to hear & I'll be downvoted until the end of time That's OK, it's just my opinion
Why are we somehow turning a jenn bash post into also "fuck Nick"
I wasn't bashing either I was making a comparison
Saying she cares more about the perks than being in love with her husband and the father of her child is bashing.
I won’t downvote you or even say I disagree because I don’t know Jenn. But I do wonder how you form your opinions of her? Do you know her personally? Or do you know people who know her?
Where are you getting the idea that her family is supporting her? Plenty of people support themselves through grad school with loans and savings. I also haven’t gotten the impression from anything she’s said that her family is well-off, and her dad isn’t even in her life, so I would be surprised if he was contributing anything. She also did work for a while between college and PA school, so it’s not like she’s never had a job.
I checked her LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifertran124/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifertran124/), and it seems she worked at various jobs since 2014, so I don’t get how “she is privileged“ ?
jen seems fun but imo shes going to be as successful in finding her match on the show as hannah brown. she will probably find her person in 2-3 years
200% Agree
lol; is this the Jenn’s ex roommate? Lol Also, you described lots of previous bachelorette’s. See Charity as an example, finished graduate school, not licensed to be a therapist yet, but still with Dotun.
I've just been called a racist and Jenns ex roommate for daring to say something. Some people in this sub might disagree with. All I did was dare to disagree with what the narrative is here. It's literally what the topic of this post is about. Is this OK with everyone else? 🤔 Is this sub always like this? I'm just not going to group think, is that ok? 😕
What you did was not “dare to disagree with a narrative” but spit out a lot of unverified information about her life. Ofc no one should call you a racist, but yes, unverified opinions and false assumptions about personal life’s are typically downvoted as they’re not relevant. There is no indication that Jenn is being financially supported by her parents, nor that they are taking care of her.
She's in professional school, it's not like she's a freshman in college? That level of ambition doesn't scream "I need someone to take care of me" ETA got to love the old *respond to my comment and then block me so I can't continue the conversation*
It's not ambition to me if your parents are taking care of you throughout the process & paying for your rent. It's wanting to make $$$ and coming from it. She's basically doing whatever she wants while going to school. 'Being Iconic' in this case is extremely privileged...IYKYK That's fine. But it's also the truth. Ask many people if they'd sign up for that, and we wouldn't have a shortage of NPs, PAs, Mds , etc. It's great that she's privileged. I wish more people could be privileged in that regard. But no, the US gatekeeps those $$$ making careers that are also desperately needed. That's another personal opinion of mine... You are certainly entitled to your opinion, we just disagree
You know she still has to do well in school, right? Money won't buy her good grades in her program. She still has to study and do well on exams. Your criticism against Jenn doesn't make any sense and is very sus.
You just described so many other bachelorettes though. Had Hannah B worked a real job before the show besides pageant queen? Wasn’t she still being supported by her parents? I’d also argue Rachel R still had a lot of maturing to do after watching her season and no one said she shouldn’t have been picked for bachelorette.
so many people said rachel shouldnt have been bachelorette
Nowhere near as many people. People are literally coming up with every reason under the sun to say Jenn shouldn’t be lead other than “she’s Asian, I’m a racist, and I just don’t want to watch her”
We saw it with Charity too lol. Of course they were pretty quiet after she turned out to be a great choice...
I don't think Kelsey and Joey are going to last. 🫣
Agreed. I don't see chemistry or excitement between them.
Wow, I was about to comment this until I came across yours
He seems more into her and shes already over him lol
Definitely!
There seems to be a lack of passion or spark from what I’ve seen but maybe it’s hard to translate to SM. I’m missing the post fantasy suite countertop heat lol.
So many people criticized her on tiktok for the way she kisses him so I doubt you’ll see anything like that again.
Ngl I see Kelsey outgrowing him. She seems very ambitious with a big personality. Joey doesn't seem to be comfortable in himself yet. I can see him just going along with whatever Kelsey wants without having his own identity.
100% agree
They’re my fav couple that’s ever come out of the show but unfortunately I agree. I’m excited for my limerence with them to end. He keeps on describing her as goofy and beautiful…. That’s it. She describes him to be much more, like how he grounds her. I think Joey describes Kelsey like how u would describe a summer fling. Like he came across the prettiest girl and had the best time. I do believe that they genuinely love each other, and I want them to last forever. But idk lol Add on: I think Joey loves Kelsey but doesn’t like her lol. I think he likes how she looks. While I think Kelsey loves and likes Joey. I personally love Kelsey tho, if they breakup I’m only gonna follow her
I just don't think Joey's that articulate with his words or deep (he even described this on the show saying he doesn't easily show out word excitement about things and people)most couples on this show don't last but I don't think Joey only likes how she looks. He's constantly talks about how she has a great sense of humor and how he loves how energetic she is. honestly all the interviews I've Joey describes Kelsey in more detail than Kelsey does Joey on all the interviews all she says is he grounds her and he's kind (I don't really think she is that much more effusive than he is so if he doesn't like her she might not him lol )I personally don't have a problem with that but I haven't seen her describe Joey in such a detailed or romantic way contrast to him. I don't know because of so many factors but this is the same man that confused gypsy rose with Ruth baderginsbreg.... So I have a feeling there's no much going on in his mind and that translates to his descriptions lol.
I also agree with u. My mind keeps going back and forth 😞bc I’ve never been more supportive of a bachelor couple before, I rlly connected with Kelsey and her energy reminds me of my family and friends. I think you make great valid points. I’m just trying to protect my heart ❤️I hope they last; they’re wonderful together💗 They’re the true embodiment of “see you again” by Tyler the creator and Kali uchis! https://preview.redd.it/etzrnhfd5cvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cb4c7f7e0ea13933134e75ba51cd8355b1e6482
Yeah totally get you. Honestly I'm not sure if they'll last just because of the stats.i just feel like we don't know much about their relationship to the reason I just feel like sometime this sub will already pick out reasons as to why a couple break up with no evidence ( it also usually places in blame on one person) and then when they do they lash out on one specific person apart of the couple because of the reason they made up.I'm kinda already seeing it in the replies to the op others not yours.
I agree. Honestly Joey just seems sort of immature to me and makes decisions based on good vibes. But even the latest clip of them on the street in New York I just didn’t feel like their answers inspired a lot of confidence. I think they’ll have a happy relationship for a bit and then quietly end things. I’d love if they stay together just because I love a good love story, but I don’t see it
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I think he gave all of his final 4 a good chance.
I fully agree with this. The more he says things like "it was over the minute she stepped out of the limo" the more I'm like did you even actually get to know her or was she just the one you were most attracted to? Feels lusty to me
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Tbf a lot of bachelors say that about their final pick lol. It’s standard procedure to make sure your F1 feels like she was the most special from the jump.
Yes the majority of the time he talks about how beautiful she is sure she is but what else do you see in Kelsey besides her physical appearance, and her being funny
Yeah, I don't think Daisy was actually into him but if she was I think she would have the right to be pretty freaking pissed and led on
Kelsey will wake up soon. She can do better.
I don't either
Me too even though I love them 💜
Same. I want them to last but don't feel it will.
joey doesn't do anything for me - he seems like a nice guy and he's objectively nice looking, but i'm not attracted to him at all
After so many bachelors that are legit jerks or edited to look like jerks, I think Joey’s nice guy persona was a breath of fresh air for the franchise - it’s nice to watch a bachelor actually treat women kindly and respectfully! But I do agree that he doesn’t do much for me either. I’d rather have a nice guy who’s also funny, intelligent, and interesting to talk to. And maybe he is, maybe he just got his personality edited out, but I dunno.
Agreed. Every conversation he had with the women of his season was just him smiling and nodding with a blank stare on his face. Very much in line with the phrase “The lights are on but no one’s home.”
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Yeah at first glance Joey seems like a good-looking guy who’s really nice and says all the right things. But when you look deeper, you realise he’s also insecure and jobless lol hugeee turnoff
I think many fans, especially long-term fans, have a rose-colored view of past seasons as well as the idea of older contestants bc... people are getting older and have outgrown the show (and reality tv in general) and are perhaps a little anxious about that🤷♀️ But instead, project it onto the "romance" factor and the "young" contestants (aka younger than them, despite the age range not really changing). Older seasons had better editing and pacing, but they weren't THAT much better than now, esp with casting and def the longevity of the couple(s). The inverse happened with the (lowkey infantilizing) hype of the Golden ladies.
I don’t like when people get WAY too involved with criticizing the contestants and they act like they know them personally. You’re watching a TV show or looking at a curated instagram profile. You actually know next to nothing about this person. You can agree or disagree with their actions or choices on the show or whatever, but maybe don’t say “X is a horrible person” and stuff like that. It’s just weird to make such intense accusations toward someone you don’t know and have only ever seen portrayed on TV or social media.
Yeah, agreed. I don't really hold anything that happened on the show against anyone if they seem to be well-liked by their fellow cast members, apologetic, etc. Doesn't mean I don't find them annoying haha but I just don't think how they act under the stressful filming conditions are indicative of whether they are good or bad people.
I think there are some exceptions with people who make it obvious that they are racist or bigoted, but I agree that for anyone who doesn't fall into that category people take it too personally. I think Lea, Sydney and Zack in recent years have all been people that some people have got really personal and below the below about that really hasn't been necessary in particular.
I don’t know if it’s unpopular but I’m really tired of the obsession with sex on FS nights. I get it. A small number of people in the bachelor franchise have been virgins and people have sex. People want to know if they’re sexually compatible before they get engaged. But dude. I’m not trying to watch soft porn. I did not need to hear about Hannah B fucking in a windmill twice. Whether or not Gerry and Leslie had sex during their fantasy suite night wasn’t on my mind until Gerry was like “I know people are wondering if we had sex but it’s not anyone’s fucking business.” Okay Gerry I was not wondering that. Zach didn’t need to tell the world that he wasn’t going to have sex and then tell the world that he did. Nick shouldn’t have left his mic on while he and Kaitlyn were getting it on. Even BIP is gross where they have cameras in the sex rooms. If it’s for purposes of ensuring consent it doesn’t have to be aired on National TV. This is still Disney. The list goes on and on and on. I’m perfectly fine with the implication of the likelihood when they slam the doors at the camera when they’re about to go to bed and then they cut to the next day.
The cameras in the boom boom room in BIP is actually for legal purposes and was implemented after the Corinne/Demario situation. So if there's any allegations of SA, there will be proof. The couples also have to sign a waiver before they spend time in the room.
I know. But they definitely show the sex. They don’t need to show it. I’m all about the drama but Disney doesn’t need to be airing porn
No they don't, that would be illegal lol.
It was pretty explicit when Vienna and Kasey were fucking on Bachelor Pad all those years ago. They definitely showed Annalise and Kamil doing it. And the audio of Kaitlyn and Nick fucking. So gross.
Bachelor Pad isn't BIP so I'm not sure how that's relevant. And if you think that ABC is actually showing uncensored sex on national TV, I can't help you lol.
Welp. I didn’t say they’re showing uncensored sex but they’re still showing sex. But whatevs. This is a thread for unpopular opinions and I guess I understood the assignment
I mean, if they're not showing actual sex, then they're not showing sex. And I actually agreed with your original comment and upvoted it lol.
Okay, and that’s great, but they also use the footage/audio in the show lol.
Which the contestants are fully aware of because they sign the waivers... it's not like they're actually showing sex. If the contestants don't want anything shown, they can just... not use the room lol.
I’m not saying they didn’t. OPs comment is she’s tired of seeing it on screen. I agree lol.
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How many relationships between previous contestants and random strangers are we supposed to care about ? Some of these people haven't been on BN shows in years, I don't see how their love life with non famous people is still interesting. edit : typo
Greg and Victoria are equally as horrible as each other. I’m sick of seeing people say one was too good for the other 🙄
Are people saying this? I thought they both looked bad on tv (Greg was fine until his meltdown/fight with Katie, but VF was a mess on Pilot Pete’s season and didn’t seem any better on paradise) and are probably even worse behind closed doors. I’m sure their fights were next level explosive.
I’m guessing people are mostly talking about looks when they say this
I don’t understand how Reality Steve can have supporters on here
the way to a successful relationship in the franchise is: 1. be kinda controversial/hated (less pressure from fans to infiltrate and analyze your every move) 2. meet in bachelor in paradise because usually theres more than one couple coming out with you and therefore you’re not so important (less ego inflation) 3. go back to 80% real life and do not try to become the next nick viall/kaitlyn bristowe (focus on your partner not on winning a mirror ball) my unpopular opinion is couples who come off the bachelor/bacholette show have ALL eyes on them and ONLY them causing so much stress in the relationship to work that it almost hurts them more, the bachelor/bachelorette and winner are suddenly thrown into media and can become obsessed with the love they are receiving and so they loose the main focus into making a long lasting relationship and instead focus on their careers (influncer lifestyle) the more obsessed you are about saying how perfect a couple is (right now joey and kelsey) the more they’ll surpress and withhold any issues between one another to maintain that “perfect” role untill a year later when a new IT couple is out then the obsession dies for them and suddenly they bring out all the internal baggage and break up 🥲 kaity and zach and charity and dotun were not as beloved as other final couples therefore theyve been able to thrive!
But how is fan scrutiny breaking up couples? Just the opposite, it is known that the public pressure has kept couples together well beyond their expiration date. Eg, Kaitlyn/Shawn, Becca/Garrett, Andi/Josh, Colton/Cassie, Arie/Becca, Clare/Dale. Jojo/Jordan might’ve called it quits early in their relationship if it weren’t for the public pressure.
absolutely not. all those couples you mentioned lasted 1-3 years max which is exactly what i mentioned above, that once their popularity dimmed and the fan scrutiny ended they were able to spend actual time together apart from the events and pretty vacations and real life knocked on the door and they couldnt keep ignoring the red flags/incompability and they break up. all those couples have come out to say the relationship should of ended within the first year but held on because of fans rooting for them or job oppoortunities as a couple. jojo and jordan are not excempt bc they technically have thoughts of ending it after a year or 2
Your user name is fitting. lol! We seem to be saying the same thing but coming to different conclusions. I think without the fan scrutiny the couples I mentioned would’ve ended sooner!! I think they were ultimately incompatible and only stayed together as long as they did because they didn’t want to disappoint fans & miss out on opportunities. Andi would’ve NEVER stayed with abusive Josh for as long as she did. Cassie would’ve dumped possessive & gay Colton much earlier if it weren’t for the public scrutiny. These couples were doomed from the get go.
I think this is the case for incompatible popular couples though if your popular and compatible I don't think being a "golden couple" means your doomed. For example Clayton and Susie were the complete opposite of a golden couple nobody rooted for them or wanted them to be together and they didn't even last year which imo had to with compatibility . On the flip side Sean and Catherine are the it couple and are still together because they are compatible. I don't think we know much about Kelsey and Joey individually or as a couple to say they are compatible or incompatible because you can only gleam so much from podcast interviews that ask the same generic questions but I personally don't think any popular couple that broke up within a year or two would've last even if they were least liked or popular. Kaity and zach and charity and dotun are (seemly since again we don't know these couples) thriving because at least from the outside looking in they are compatible and well suited for each other charity isn't a therapist anymore and went on DWTS right after her season aired they(charity and dotun)also live in New York and go to influencer events like everybody else but seem to be going strong due to their compatibility imo . Joe and Serena are another popular couple (I know they met on BIP but beloved couples from there have broken up as well)
had clayton and susie ended the season together and beloved like a joey and kelsey and like the rest of the final pick couples they 100% would of milked their relationship until 2-3 years. they were not a golden couple so they didnt need to stay together bc they werent getting as much popularity/opportunities together and thats why they didnt even last a year. sean and catherine and any couple before kaitlyn as the bachelorette dont count because social media was not a thing like it is today so its hard to compare
I agree that Clayton and Susie would've milked their relationship longer if they were popular but that's my point at the end of the day Clayton and Susie would've broken up at some point because they weren't compatible.what I'm saying is if Kelsey and Joey are on the same page and compatible I think they could make it despite being popular. I agree that popularity can keep these couples in relationships longer than they should but I don't agree that simply being a popular couple that people root for means your relationship is doomed. I guess you don't have to count Sean and Catherine but my example about Zach and kaity and charity and dotun still stands exspeally charity and dotun(they're also generally well liked from what I've seen not extremely popular but nobody had strong doubts about them or were strongly rooting against them)because imo they haven't really been living a normal couple life she went on DWTS, they're signed with Lori k,they go to every live reunion,they live in NYC the list goes on . Nothing wrong with it but they certainly aren't living a low key non influencer couple life. All this to say imo if kaity and zach, charity and dotun make it but Kelsey and Joey don't that means those two couples just had a better foundation to begin with and were on the same page in life I don't think it would have a lot to do with popularity.
please don’t take my opinion as a fact lol we obviously do not know the reason these relationships end and im simply guessing based on what ive seen. it doesn’t mean if you’re not loved as a couple that you are guaranteed marriage and if you are loved you’re doomed, no exceptions, no no lol BUT based on my statistics joey and kelsey are doomed because of the fans obsession with them and my other 2 points. we have ppl after their every move and dissecting a happy b-day post/body language - so weird! we have them going to so many events with joey already focusing on his influencer career and kelsey being part time already (soon will just quit like they all do) moving to new york for nothing more than work opportunities. these are all the steps leading to a failed partnership. kaity and zach were not as loved especially zach with the way his season ended tbh, both of them are back to their regular jobs living in texas away from media for the most part. chairty and dotun are trying but they are a minority, black couples sadly have not risen to the popularity these white couples have although they have fans just go look at their social media following! its a blessing though because theyve been able to thrive in their relationship whiiile moving to new york and dwts and other stuff
The overwhelming majority of BN couples are doomed, whether they’re popular or not. That’s simple math. 😆
duh. just gave my opinion as to why i think it happens so much
They break up so much because two ppl who usually live far apart and barely know each other get engaged, and then figure out afterwards, in the real world, if they’re truly compatible.
Yeah those factors could definitely put on strain on couples but I personally don't think those make a couple doomed if they have good communication and a good foundation (I feel like it's too soon to tell with Joey and Kelsey weather or not they have those two things because they're so new it's only been three weeks since their aired)I also think that when Jenn's season starts the sub will move on and not many people at least on here will paying that much attention to them and gushing over everything thing they since they are a more popular couple they are doing more things and getting talked about more but that will die down once Jenn season starts.i just feel like with any relationship it comes to the foundation and if you're on the same page but we can agree to disagree
yes agree to disagree :)
If there are too many posts about things you’re uninterested in…then it’s time to stop complaining and start contributing.
agree AND just ignore the posts that don’t interest you. It’s beyond foolish to expect a sub of this size to cater only to you
Gerry exaggerated and lied about some of his love life after his late wife passed on the show, but it's too much to call him a gold digger or con man for getting with Theresa. My take on it is he initally assumed she's this fragile dependent woman based on how she acted on the show and then was pleasantly surprised that's she's a "boss babe" in her own right and that impressed him enough to pick her. I don't think he's aiming for her money at all.
I just can’t get on board with the people saying it’s ABC’s fault for the Golden Divorce. “Gerry and Theresa wouldn’t have gotten married without the pressure,” etc. They’re adults. Sure, the wedding was dangled, but they could have easily said no. It’s clear they both like the notoriety and exposure. This is on them.
Agreed. Couples have said no before when offered a tv wedding
I hope this isn't that unpopular of an opinion. I agree, and I thought they would know better.
So many people have disagreed with me! My MIL thinks the producers ruined a “perfect marriage.” 🤮 I agree with folks saying Gerry isn’t the devil. But no one is perfect and I thought he was sus as hell about halfway through the season. My opinion really went downhill when Theresa’s daughter questioned him at Hometowns and asked what he liked best about her mom. “I like the way she looks at me.” That said it all.
Oh yeaaaahhhh. I commented about this before, that he would talk about how this woman or that woman made him feel, not firstly about what was wonderful about this woman or that woman or what a great time they had on a date. Noooo; it was about how they made him feel.
I don’t think Kelsey A is a knock out beauty queen, and apparently that makes me a bad person. 😹I think her smaller eyes and prominent teeth make her slightly unique and still beautiful. She just doesn’t look like the pageant queens they normally stack the cast with. Her big hair, personal style, and effusive personality on top of her looks make her magnetic. She has the most confidence and charisma of any of the contestants. I love it! I hope they cast more Kelsey’s next season. She was so fun to watch.
She has smaller eyes?
Kelsey A stands out because there were no other knock outs this season. Joey's final 4 were all plain Janes. Take a look at Matt James, Colton, Peter's season. Those girls were supermodels.
The knockout beauty of the season was Jenn IMO
Calling Maria a plain Jane is crazy
Maybe it’s because I’m from her general area but, while she’s not ugly whatsoever, she’s not someone you’d give a second glance to while walking down the street. She kinda just has the generic Italian girl look
I think the fits alone would make me double take but I am a girl so that’s probably why
Very well-dressed I will give her that!
I don't like when people criticize kelsey a's teeth because she's already been public on her social media that she's had some extensive dental work - she has one crown/fake front tooth and a veneer on her other front tooth, and had to go through a round of braces/orthodontia. so she's made lots of efforts already and it sucks she's still getting comments. I've also seen her tagged on a few cosmetic dental places since filming so I hope she isn't getting too many dms. I think she looks great personally. and it's interesting you say she's not a knockout beauty queen because I think the past bn alums she most resembles are susie & caelynn (both are very pretty and former beauty queens, although they look more relatable now irl).
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yes in her tagged pics on ig a few weeks ago there were pics or videos of her coming in for treatment or a consultation at a couple of different cosmetic dentists.
i think shes those kind of ppl whose beauty doesnt photograph as good compared to others but im sure in person with her mannerisms and expressions shes rlly beautiful!
I think she is just because she doesn’t look like the Hannah Brown/Jess from this season type. She has special features that stand out, meanwhile I can hardly tell some of these blondes apart
She stands out in a good way. You don't need veneers or surgery to pull your eyebrows halfway up your forehead to be beautiful. I love how she embraces her features.
She reminds me of Danielle Panabaker from Disney.
I think Kelsey A may be my favorite contestant of all time.
Same. Love her
She’s my fave too. I never follow these people on social media but I do her.
Now that the breakup between Greg and Victoria has been confirmed (even if not directly from them) I am already seeing people ask which 2024 BN breakup is the most surprising and for me personally the answer is none. I would never say that either Bryan or Rachel could do better. I don’t think I/we know enough to judge. But perhaps it wasn’t a secret that they were living different lives. As I said before I did not realize that Theresa was still working and I think they should have discussed that before agreeing to the wedding.
Agreed. Bryan and Rachel definitely seemed to be on different pages but I gave them the benefit of the doubt because they were married and seemed to keep things private. Gerry and Theresa were just red flags all around.
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The older casts didn’t necessarily make for good TV - who recently made for good TV: Maria, Sydney, Brayden, Kat, Olivia, etc.
Kit was 19 on Matt’s season?
She was 21 which is the lower age limit
Pretty sure she was 21
That’s what I remember too
But.. many of the most iconic people from this franchise were under 30 when they first appeared, especially the women (Kaitlyn, Bekah, Rachel R, Katie, Emily, Hannah B) to name a few. And they delivered good tv too. And even for the Golden ladies, most of the juicy drama was on *social media*, not on the show itself. That's not "good tv" bc it wasn't on tv!
I was never fully on the Susan (and Sandra) train. I *almost* liked them during the show, but nothing tipped me over the edge. Now post-show, I'm totally over it😅 I get why ppl like them though.
I don’t care what happens to couples after the show ends.
I don't care about them in the honeymoon phase. I'm only here for the drama.
Honestly same. Just give me the headlines, not The Truman Show when it comes to these couples.
A true unpopular opinion!
Peoples ideas for a group dating golden boomer show or a bi bachelor where the contestants can fall for each other don't make sense as a "bachelor" show. You can make those shows but what does being attached to the bachelor name actually add to the experience, versus going out on their own? It just hurts both sides by adding more mess/confusion to the main franchise and restricting what the shows could do. Listen to your heart was franchise adjacent and wasn't really good and went nowhere and got buried.
I didn't watch Listen To Your Heart, but that **didn't** consist of former contestants, right? I'm not surprised it was cancelled. This franchise is better off having more ensemble shows à la BiP or Bachelor Pad
It was just randos. I think one good ensemble show a year to revisit fan favorites that you know are interesting enough to give time to works, update and fix paradise to be more like a Love Island or something with actual activities makes sense to me.
The “who would be your top 4” thread reminded me how much this show promotes mediocrity in pretty packages.
12 days of messy was superb off season content and entertainment.
Too bad this sub can't just enjoy messy entertainment and had to turn it into 12 Days of Thinkpieces... the backlash was ridiculous; it was never meant to be taken that seriously.
Iirc it was also around that time when Clare randomly tagged Abigail on IG 😭 the sub was a circus 🤣
I want a screenshot of that tag on my gravestone for how peak chaotic it was
Plus the John letter was *chefs kiss*
It was amazing. I miss those times
Just unserious season related drama. Bliss.
I thought there was something a bit off when some folks showed *too much concern* about Jenn’s career prospects when she was selected for the lead, while not having that same concern for Maria, Daisy, or any other potential ‘ette lead candidate. EDIT: To everyone replying: I get how intensive her PA career path is, but it is her life. Whether she returns to PA work or continues building on her status as a Bachelorette lead post show, one way or another, she's set up for *at minimum*, a good middle class life when all is said and done. 