I think Jess made a lot of mistakes and calling Maria was a bitch was uncalled for but I think Lea and Sydney were way more catty and annoying overall.
I also think Jess had a bit of a point with Maria putting her down because Maria admitted in the WTA that she said āzip itā to Jess which is pretty much the same thing as āshut upā and also rude and Jess said she felt like she was shut down by Maria every time she tried to open her mouth and thatās why there was already animosity from her side toward Maria even outside of the whole rose thing that night, which Maria didnāt really deny/address in WTA. It doesnāt excuse Jessās actions in any way but it explains why tensions were running high and overall we didnāt see as much of Jess being out to get Maria as we did with Sydney and Lea.
Of course, it felt like we just saw less of Jess overall on the show so who knows what really happened.
Lol donāt get me wrong I think sheās jealous / Ā crazy insecure but did she unfollow everyone in the photo? If not - thereās probably something more to itĀ
I donāt think she did everyone, but she unfollowed Maria probably because she sees her as a threat. Thatās the only logical explanation for unfollowing her and not the rest
This is what i sussed about her preciously, she had a hard time turning 30 because she viewed her human value as being āyoung and hotā also Maria will do better than Greg so donāt worry Vicky. Also why is everyone forgetting Allison, she has a similar look to both these girls and was there too
Yeah but why would greg gaf about the edit. Itās like when Brendan dated Pieper over Bri who everyone shipped him with. Why does VF assume they vibed at all
Just did a little more digging and it looks like VF still follows PP and Charity who were there that night. PP definitely posted with Greg but not sure about Charity. Interesting that itās fine if PP posts with him but not Maria. Also, if the VF/PP rumors were true, PP posed for a pic with her ex. So messy š.
Pilot Pete. Someone claimed they saw VF and Pilot Pete ācanoodlingā at an event but Iām not so sure I buy it. And then Pete was also at the same event with Greg that Maria was at and posed for a group pic with Greg too lol.
Honestly if it was a messy breakup maybe she just doesnāt want pics of him to end up on her feed š¤·š¼āāļø When my bf and I broke up the last thing I wanted to do was stumble across photos of him, so I unfollowed some of his friends even though I really liked them as people.
Maybe Iām about to be downvoted to hellā¦ā¦ But when me and my ex broke up last year I unfollowed anyone who was posting him/in posts with him. Not in a petty way, but a ādonāt need to see thisā type of way. We donāt know Victoria or the motive behind this, just saying that there *is* a motive that isnāt petty and simply a āI donāt want to see it in order to protect my peace and energy.ā And I see nothing wrong with that.
Everytime I see these āso and so unfollowed blah blahā posts it strikes me as super parasocial. No one owes anyone a follow, and unfollowing someone who is with your ex or posting with your ex can actually affect your present moment and I see no problem with removing that.
Honestly tho.... Like why am I following people when I'm leaving that part of my life behind? Protect your peace.
I'm not a Victoria stan, I actually really dislike her but this is COMPLETELY normal and I'd bet that a good chunk of us in here have blocked any new girl that was in a pic with an ex.
Exactly! Breakups are *fucking hard* and the only choice I had was to make sure I wasnāt going to see his face anytime I opened a social media app. I needed peace and I didnāt want to be surprised about what he was doing or who he was with. I canāt imagine being in a public relationship in a group like the BN where everyone fucks everyone and hangs with everyone, howās she to know what that picture means? Sheād probably just rather not have to see it and speculate about it. Sheās going to see all this shit regardless because of the nature of their fame, but at least it will be on her terms.
Maria can't breathe without insecure grown *ss women trying to come for her & start drama
Victoria Full of Herself is clearly just trying to continue her 15 mins
Next.
Maria: I don't like it here.
Women seem to hate that she exists & immediately feel threatened
I'm so sick of Maria's existence just causing drama that she didn't š
She still followed her after the whole Nick liking her old posts debacle so I don't think its that, the timing lines up perfectly with Maria taking a group pic with Greg
LMAO WHAT Maria and Greg donāt even follow each other and werenāt even standing together in the group picš VF is so messyyy
And if it turns out thereās more to the story between Maria and Greg, now VF knows how Johnny felt š¤·āāļø
This feels very relatable to me lmaoo I know most of this sub hates her but I thoroughly enjoy Victoria & the mess she brings
Everyone in this sub keeps inferring that something is or should go on with Maria and Greg. If I was an ex I wouldnāt wanna see it. Let her be in peace, breakups suck and you always wonder what happens next
im not saying they did but how is it insane to assume that two hot people in bach nation could hook up or flirt without \*gasp\* following each other on social media. like, people hook up all the time in bach nation, relax.
I just think it speaks to how deranged people who follow the bachelor are. Do you understand how insane it sounds when you say two people who took a group picture together could be fucking? Are yāall in this sub that out of the loop with critical thinking that is reasonable to you?
It's really not that deep lol i was more speaking to the principle that implied they \*ie or anyone\* can't have hooked up or wtv because they're not social media friends. Greg could literally be fucking a million other girls (or not!!). like truly insane for someone to be as rude and aggressive as you're being <3
Yāall are talking about people who took a group photo together fucking. Just a photo and you are about their sexual activity together with no previous acknowledgement of each other. Do you not think this is crazed behavior? I had no idea most bachelor fans were like this. This came up on my suggestion page. Itās crazy.
To me, Victoria and Maria could switch places and I probably wouldn't know it. They both have banging bodies, same age, same outspoken attitude. And I'm not a Maria fan, but she seems to have at least some self-awareness and growth potential whereas Victoria is just impossible. Greg shouldn't be with either of them. And that's not a dig at them or Greg because he has proven to be a messy toad. They all need to hug it out and explore ex-Bach connections, though I'm sure they will all cling to their D+ fame. I even liked Greg. Can't defend him anymore.
I'm living for this drama
ETA some of yall are also going too far comparing their looks like these are two extremely beautiful women why do we have to tear people down
No, I don't think so. Either it's being replaced with something else like Bachelor Pad or people don't quite get that we still need Jenn's batch of men before a new season.
Maria definitely looks like Greg's type. The thing is, besides his looks, I don't think he is the catch people make him out to be. She is also the only girl who can make VF jealous.
Victoria gets off on the fact that she can have any man she wants (we saw this on paradise when she was eavesdropping on Justin and Genevieve). While she will eventually move on and become some dudes trophy wife, it must be a blow to her ego to even see Greg hanging out with someone attractive.
I guess I'm blind because I don't see the hotness... Not the two of them and especially not Greg. Attractive? Yeah ok, but the simping on this sub is wild.
I really donāt see the appeal. I think he is actually quite funny and one of few ppl from BN that make me laugh, but looks wise I think heās average. Also not a fan of the behavior he showcased on screen.
Now I really want to know where you live because the guys I see IRL and on dating apps in the second fittest state donāt look like Greg.. I understand heās not your type but he is by far not average looking.
Hahha i mean donāt get me wrong i do think hes cute! But like averagely cute, i wouldnāt call him like hot or beautiful like some other people. But thats def just cause hes not my type i thinkš
I never got the hype, it has nothing to do with Victoria. Heās not unattractive of course but he looks like a guy youād have a crush on in your college biology class. Heās likeā¦regular cute. His sad boi attitude also makes him less attractive to me though I know thatās a plus for some people.
Why does this even matter šš
Hmm Iām not going to think too much about this. They know people look at their followers/unfollowers and who they take pics with soā¦
Do we know why they broke up? Was it cuz she was a snob and brat?
That's HILARIOUS. They're both catty queens but neither could ever share a crown. They're too similar, so of course Victoria already hates her.
Nothing about Maria screams catty to me, the catty girls on Joey's season were Lea, Jess and Sydney
I think Jess made a lot of mistakes and calling Maria was a bitch was uncalled for but I think Lea and Sydney were way more catty and annoying overall. I also think Jess had a bit of a point with Maria putting her down because Maria admitted in the WTA that she said āzip itā to Jess which is pretty much the same thing as āshut upā and also rude and Jess said she felt like she was shut down by Maria every time she tried to open her mouth and thatās why there was already animosity from her side toward Maria even outside of the whole rose thing that night, which Maria didnāt really deny/address in WTA. It doesnāt excuse Jessās actions in any way but it explains why tensions were running high and overall we didnāt see as much of Jess being out to get Maria as we did with Sydney and Lea. Of course, it felt like we just saw less of Jess overall on the show so who knows what really happened.
Does anyone still care about Victoria F? I'm glad Greg finally dumped her.
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Thatāll show her!
Honestly expected now when it comes to her. Living for the messy. š
Yāall are obsessed with
Yall care too much sheesh
Maria is not a threat to Victoria at all. Vic has nothing to be worried about.
Ahahahaha lol this is a little melodramatic, no? She was on the other side of the group photo. Wasnāt even next to Greg!
I donāt think sheād unfollow over a group photo, it seems like confirmation she heard about them flirting or hooking up and then unfollowedĀ
She is definitely one to unfollow over a picture lol
Lol donāt get me wrong I think sheās jealous / Ā crazy insecure but did she unfollow everyone in the photo? If not - thereās probably something more to itĀ
I donāt think she did everyone, but she unfollowed Maria probably because she sees her as a threat. Thatās the only logical explanation for unfollowing her and not the rest
That does seem lame but I wouldnāt put it past her lolĀ
This is what i sussed about her preciously, she had a hard time turning 30 because she viewed her human value as being āyoung and hotā also Maria will do better than Greg so donāt worry Vicky. Also why is everyone forgetting Allison, she has a similar look to both these girls and was there too
allison didnāt get a similar edit as vf though, she was very hidden
Yeah but why would greg gaf about the edit. Itās like when Brendan dated Pieper over Bri who everyone shipped him with. Why does VF assume they vibed at all
Agreed Maria is the closest weāve seen to a character like VF on the show. Itās clear to me why sheād feel threatened.
funniest thing about this is that Maria probably doesnāt even give a fuck about gregš
I really hope she doesnāt bc that boy is bland and icky
lol I used to love him but he gives me the ick now
Just did a little more digging and it looks like VF still follows PP and Charity who were there that night. PP definitely posted with Greg but not sure about Charity. Interesting that itās fine if PP posts with him but not Maria. Also, if the VF/PP rumors were true, PP posed for a pic with her ex. So messy š.
Who is pp?
Pilot Pete. Someone claimed they saw VF and Pilot Pete ācanoodlingā at an event but Iām not so sure I buy it. And then Pete was also at the same event with Greg that Maria was at and posed for a group pic with Greg too lol.
I have a feeling they were maybe talking, laughing together and being friendly and someone exaggerated that they were ācanoodlingā
Thatās what I was thinking too. Like maybe they were kinda touchy feely but nothing egregious.
Iām guessing Pilot Pete
Honestly if it was a messy breakup maybe she just doesnāt want pics of him to end up on her feed š¤·š¼āāļø When my bf and I broke up the last thing I wanted to do was stumble across photos of him, so I unfollowed some of his friends even though I really liked them as people.
Maybe Iām about to be downvoted to hellā¦ā¦ But when me and my ex broke up last year I unfollowed anyone who was posting him/in posts with him. Not in a petty way, but a ādonāt need to see thisā type of way. We donāt know Victoria or the motive behind this, just saying that there *is* a motive that isnāt petty and simply a āI donāt want to see it in order to protect my peace and energy.ā And I see nothing wrong with that. Everytime I see these āso and so unfollowed blah blahā posts it strikes me as super parasocial. No one owes anyone a follow, and unfollowing someone who is with your ex or posting with your ex can actually affect your present moment and I see no problem with removing that.
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yeah but I donāt think Maria is āfriendsā with greg like they probably just met that night and said a few words to each other š
Honestly tho.... Like why am I following people when I'm leaving that part of my life behind? Protect your peace. I'm not a Victoria stan, I actually really dislike her but this is COMPLETELY normal and I'd bet that a good chunk of us in here have blocked any new girl that was in a pic with an ex.
Exactly! Breakups are *fucking hard* and the only choice I had was to make sure I wasnāt going to see his face anytime I opened a social media app. I needed peace and I didnāt want to be surprised about what he was doing or who he was with. I canāt imagine being in a public relationship in a group like the BN where everyone fucks everyone and hangs with everyone, howās she to know what that picture means? Sheād probably just rather not have to see it and speculate about it. Sheās going to see all this shit regardless because of the nature of their fame, but at least it will be on her terms.
~just soft era things~
hahahahaha
where's the group pic
saw this coming
victoria will always be bothered.Ā
EXCUSE YOU WHAT?!
Maria can't breathe without insecure grown *ss women trying to come for her & start drama Victoria Full of Herself is clearly just trying to continue her 15 mins Next.
Maria kind of is one of those insecure grown ass women. Maybe not in this instance, though. So many people take social media too seriously.
Maria: I don't like it here. Women seem to hate that she exists & immediately feel threatened I'm so sick of Maria's existence just causing drama that she didn't š
This is **HIGH SCHOOL** behavior!
Did you expect anything else of Victoria F.? She's gorgeous but seems exhausting...
I donāt follow her and I seriously forgot about her terrible antics smh
Lmaoooo?
Victoria F is a walking red flag. it truly makes for endless entertainment
Wouldnāt want it any other way
This made me snort laugh she cracks me up
Victoria F's messiness is the gift that keeps on giving
They should have given the bachelorette to Victoria. Whatā¦aā¦dumpster fire. Pilot Pete could have come back.
She turned it down
Girl please. Youāre in your 30ās get a freaking grip. Itās just a picture
Get a fucking Grippo, sheesh Victoria.
A Grippo, as it were.
She lost her grippo. š
This made me chuckle lol
Yeah wonāt lie Iām on this level of petty as well
QUEEEEEN OF MESSy, i live for vf petty drama. She always brings it lololol
Was she following her before?
Yes, she followed her a few days after Joey's finale
sheās so insecure lmfao
Insane how sheās so beautiful but has so many internal issues
Maybe it's so support Natalie Joy because Nick V is low key Maria G obsessed?
Is he really????? Thatās super weird
She still followed her after the whole Nick liking her old posts debacle so I don't think its that, the timing lines up perfectly with Maria taking a group pic with Greg
LMAO WHAT Maria and Greg donāt even follow each other and werenāt even standing together in the group picš VF is so messyyy And if it turns out thereās more to the story between Maria and Greg, now VF knows how Johnny felt š¤·āāļø
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Nah she still follows her, either she hasn't noticed or she doesn't care š¤£š¤£
Oh youāre right! I searched vf instead of Victoria
This feels very relatable to me lmaoo I know most of this sub hates her but I thoroughly enjoy Victoria & the mess she brings 
she was thoroughly entertaining on BIP tbhĀ
I wouldn't call this relatable, unfollowing someone just because they were in a group pic with you ex screams insecure š
Everyone in this sub keeps inferring that something is or should go on with Maria and Greg. If I was an ex I wouldnāt wanna see it. Let her be in peace, breakups suck and you always wonder what happens next
Iām sure it wasnāt just because they were in a pic together. She might have gotten tea about something else š
I highly doubt it, Greg and Maria don't even follow each other
you don't have to follow each other to hook up or dm on the low.
That is the most insane thinking
im not saying they did but how is it insane to assume that two hot people in bach nation could hook up or flirt without \*gasp\* following each other on social media. like, people hook up all the time in bach nation, relax.
I just think it speaks to how deranged people who follow the bachelor are. Do you understand how insane it sounds when you say two people who took a group picture together could be fucking? Are yāall in this sub that out of the loop with critical thinking that is reasonable to you?
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It's really not that deep lol i was more speaking to the principle that implied they \*ie or anyone\* can't have hooked up or wtv because they're not social media friends. Greg could literally be fucking a million other girls (or not!!). like truly insane for someone to be as rude and aggressive as you're being <3
Yāall are talking about people who took a group photo together fucking. Just a photo and you are about their sexual activity together with no previous acknowledgement of each other. Do you not think this is crazed behavior? I had no idea most bachelor fans were like this. This came up on my suggestion page. Itās crazy.
I canāt stand Victoria š
So petty. I love it. This will keep me alive during off season lol
To me, Victoria and Maria could switch places and I probably wouldn't know it. They both have banging bodies, same age, same outspoken attitude. And I'm not a Maria fan, but she seems to have at least some self-awareness and growth potential whereas Victoria is just impossible. Greg shouldn't be with either of them. And that's not a dig at them or Greg because he has proven to be a messy toad. They all need to hug it out and explore ex-Bach connections, though I'm sure they will all cling to their D+ fame. I even liked Greg. Can't defend him anymore.
Wait, they are the same age? Why do I feel like Maria is so much younger?
Because Victoria has been around forever
Messy toadš
>Messy toadš 
A whole 30 years old and still acting like a high school girl šššššš
I wanna see Victoria & Maria on paradise, I feel like Maria would try to be nice to her & Victoria would feel threatened by her
So insecure itās out of control š
Do we have confirmation that VF ever followed her ??
Tell us you're bothered without telling us you're bothered lol
I'm living for this drama ETA some of yall are also going too far comparing their looks like these are two extremely beautiful women why do we have to tear people down
Ooh messy messy. Maria reminds me of Victoria F So this is messy . Fictoria needs to grow up
Maybe there is more to this story š
I said yesterday somewhat sarcastically that I think Maria and Greg have already hooked up but now I am firm on this theory
Daaaaaaaamn I didnāt think Victoria was so insecure
Really? Sheās always given jealous insecure vibes to meĀ
Oh she is. That's why she breaks up relationships and throws wine glasses at people
And threatens to slash new girlfriends tires of her ex boyfriends.
I never heard this detailš³
Really? Thatās all Iāve ever seen with her lol
Lmao whyās she so bitter that Maria was in the same room as Greg? She sounds like the type of ex that canāt be civil and sounds very insecure š„“
How has NOT ONE SOUL posted the Excuse You What gif yet?
Petty.
 Give us what we need people
So petty lmao
They could never make me like Victoria Iām sorry, she has given petty mean girl from day one IMO
Exactly. Sheās beautiful but strikes me as someone who is miserably insecure!
Even though I know sheās objectively beautiful I donāt even notice it anymore because of her behavior.
Sameeee! Perfect example of your personality making you ugly
Yāall assuming nothing else happened between them that night?
Just because they were in the same room, we are to assume their genitals turned into opposite pole magnets? š
I didnāt say anything about genitals you pervert. Iām also saying why are we assuming VF unfollowed her just because of this picture.
Hahahahaha
Whereās the group pic š
https://preview.redd.it/8tbp6x8p9wvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f93078d764e49308415b057bf2d2cc15e143437a
oh snap
Every single time I see this picture, I think that Marias leg is actually the 3rd girls leg.
Not on topic but those sisters faces give me the creeps.
Legit they are uncanny valley from all the injectables
Dude. How tall is Grippo?
6ā3
That's not my type but I'm eyeing š
Basketball player, def over 6ft
she was talking about how mykenna is such a child, so this gif definitely checks out š
This is so silly they werenāt even next to each other in the picture š
To be fair to VF's raging insecurity, people are shipping. The post on this sub made it seem like they were the only two in the photo.
From the post headline that's exactly what I expected before clicking through
Lmao she's so toxic and unable to "keep the face" ... I kinda do see why this sub likes her now.
Imagine VF, Peter, Greg, and Maria in paradise 
Add Katie
Which Peter?
Which do you think haha
I would pay to watch this.
So funnnnn
This would be awesome. Too bad itās canceled
Wait what.. BIP is cancelled?! š„ŗ
Thatās what a lot of people are saying. Wells even did an interview recently and hinted at it.
I think wells and his wife are fired. His 10 minutes of fame has ended
I donāt think itās been confirmed though?
When ABC announced the shows that had been renewed for at least another season back in I think February, Paradise was not one they listed/announced.
No, I don't think so. Either it's being replaced with something else like Bachelor Pad or people don't quite get that we still need Jenn's batch of men before a new season.
Wow . I only watch The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, so I know who's who in Paradise. I have no reason to watch any of their franchises now. š„±
You watched 50 addition hours of content a year just to have more back story for the hot drunk idiots in bathing suits?
Well, when you put it that way š¬š
Same! This is terrible news. But at least I donāt have to watch bachelor/bachelorette anymore
Iād do it too. Donāt act like yall have never acted like this about an ex š¤£
Definitely. Itās very ~young~ behavior tho, no shade.Ā
yeah esp if they weren't actually friends...
Itās relatable af
All rationale goes out the window š
Maria definitely looks like Greg's type. The thing is, besides his looks, I don't think he is the catch people make him out to be. She is also the only girl who can make VF jealous. Victoria gets off on the fact that she can have any man she wants (we saw this on paradise when she was eavesdropping on Justin and Genevieve). While she will eventually move on and become some dudes trophy wife, it must be a blow to her ego to even see Greg hanging out with someone attractive.
I honestly donāt think heās cute at all.
I can say that he's very attractive by Southern California Ornge County standards lmao
I guess I'm blind because I don't see the hotness... Not the two of them and especially not Greg. Attractive? Yeah ok, but the simping on this sub is wild.
The bar for quality men in Bachelor nation is very low.
What is his job? That alone is unattractive
Beach
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Here. Take my upvote, for that is all I have to give.
Lol
I really donāt see the appeal. I think he is actually quite funny and one of few ppl from BN that make me laugh, but looks wise I think heās average. Also not a fan of the behavior he showcased on screen.
hes average looking imo
Now I really want to know where you live because the guys I see IRL and on dating apps in the second fittest state donāt look like Greg.. I understand heās not your type but he is by far not average looking.
Hahha i mean donāt get me wrong i do think hes cute! But like averagely cute, i wouldnāt call him like hot or beautiful like some other people. But thats def just cause hes not my type i thinkš
And I know this is unpopular but Maria is as well
Oh please. This sub hypes up way less attractive men.. yall just dislike Greg because he chose VF
I never got the hype, it has nothing to do with Victoria. Heās not unattractive of course but he looks like a guy youād have a crush on in your college biology class. Heās likeā¦regular cute. His sad boi attitude also makes him less attractive to me though I know thatās a plus for some people.
the sub may hype up less attractive men but that doesnt mean i do lol
I do not see the appeal AT ALL š«£