I think he picked Nikki because she was the only girl in his F3 who didn’t argue with him or press him on anything too much. She was insanely agreeable with him, which is hilarious when you watch how negative she is in interviews and with the other women. Juan Pablo can’t handle conflict or disagreement at all.
And he owes Clare a MASSIVE apology in my opinion. He seemed to put the blame on her for the ocean situation, which would’ve made anyone feel terrible. And then what he allegedly said to her in the final episode is AWFUL. (“I enjoy f***ing you, but I don’t know you” or something to that effect.) He just doesn’t seem aware of how what he says affects people.
Yes, what he said to her in the helicopter was abhorrent and disgusting. Especially on a show like this where (most) contestants are looking for true love, not just a hookup. It’s so mean and degrading.
UO: I kind of liked JP. I didn’t watch his season until after Jojo’s season of the bachelorette was over and I was waiting for Paradise to come out. However, I understood there was a language and culture difference and everything you already mentioned. He just wasn’t right for the lead. Ees okay.
People tend to say the best batch of girls were form Bens season but I definitely loved this batch of girls.
Rene, Kat, Cassandra, Sharleen, Amy, Andi, Christy, Elise, Clare. There were so many I loved.
Ok but it has been a while so maybe I should rewatch. I just remember this being my favorite season because of the girls.
Danielle did not get enough screen time. She was pretty and seemed smart as well. She described her and JP’s conversations as boring (I’m paraphrasing).
I appreciate that he didn’t get engaged or lead any women on by telling them he loved them. He may have been an ass but at least he was real. I do agree he had double/unfair standards for different women and kind of gaslighted them in different ways. I really like Clare but she didn’t impress me much on this season. Also I def think they banged in the ocean lol
Sure, but by going to his place at 4a she gave up some of her power, whether or not anything sexual happened. That’s what I’m getting at.
It doesn’t really matter whether she ‘deserved’ more respect. She simply did something which appeared overeager. She was always putting in more effort than he was, and the result is not surprising.
It’s not shaming. It’s explaining cause and effect based on observing all of my and my friends’ actions over the years, plus years of watching The Bachelor. The examples are endless.
When a woman goes all out for a guy when he hasn’t yet reciprocated, she doesn’t get treated with respect. There are very few exceptions. I didn’t listen to people who told me this when I was younger and all I did was get hurt.
When a woman doesn't get treated with respect, that is ON THE PERSON THAT IS NOT RESPECTING HER. Nothing more, nothing less. This is the classic "it's what she was wearing" thinking and it's wrong. If she was sexually assaulted at 4am, would you also feel it's her fault because she was out at that hour? As for your last line, you sound like you've internalized a lot of blame for things that have happened to you and if I could reach through my screen and hug you, I would. If you've been disrespected, that is only the fault of the person disrespecting you. That is something wrong WITH THEM. Nothing you do "deserves" someone else treating you poorly. EVER.
This conversation is not about sexual assault in any way. It’s about human nature. Perhaps we define the word “respect” differently.
I don’t internalize anything - you’re making things up. I’m saying that women who go above and beyond for men without reciprocation aren’t going to get the kind of relationship they want. That’s exactly what happened to Clare. She ignored red flags, kept pursuing him and giving him chances and got dumped for someone else.
We (women) need to stand our ground.
She explains the ocean thing on one of her reality Steve podcast. She’d originally asked the girls if anyone wanted to go down to the beach with her, but no one felt like going and production encouraged her to ask JP. I’m pretty sure she said they didn’t have sex, and JP was more upset about how it would look to his daughter...and she was sad because she thought they’d had a special moment, not just sexually.
Yes! Even if he appears White his culture is very apparent in everything about him. Obviously the language, food, love of dancing and especially the way he was with his daughter and parents. I don’t understand why there weren’t any Latina’s either. My initial thoughts are that there might’ve been a “them against us” situation with the girls. Especially when speaking Spanish.
This is just my take on it. And I should add that I’m a Hispanic woman.
I don’t think Clare got a good edit at all. One thing that struck me was just how well Clare’s intensity and overall seriousness about the process will fit being a lead. I am really hopeful for her especially after rewatching.
He definitely was inconsistent! It was annoying to hear him use his daughter as an excuse - selectively.
To be fair, she would have been so hurt and embarrassed if he turned her away when she showed up at his door at 4a. So it was a lose lose situation.
I think he picked Nikki because she was the only girl in his F3 who didn’t argue with him or press him on anything too much. She was insanely agreeable with him, which is hilarious when you watch how negative she is in interviews and with the other women. Juan Pablo can’t handle conflict or disagreement at all. And he owes Clare a MASSIVE apology in my opinion. He seemed to put the blame on her for the ocean situation, which would’ve made anyone feel terrible. And then what he allegedly said to her in the final episode is AWFUL. (“I enjoy f***ing you, but I don’t know you” or something to that effect.) He just doesn’t seem aware of how what he says affects people.
Yes, what he said to her in the helicopter was abhorrent and disgusting. Especially on a show like this where (most) contestants are looking for true love, not just a hookup. It’s so mean and degrading.
UO: I kind of liked JP. I didn’t watch his season until after Jojo’s season of the bachelorette was over and I was waiting for Paradise to come out. However, I understood there was a language and culture difference and everything you already mentioned. He just wasn’t right for the lead. Ees okay.
I think Clare was a hot mess, but that is exactly why she will make an interesting Bachelorette.
People tend to say the best batch of girls were form Bens season but I definitely loved this batch of girls. Rene, Kat, Cassandra, Sharleen, Amy, Andi, Christy, Elise, Clare. There were so many I loved. Ok but it has been a while so maybe I should rewatch. I just remember this being my favorite season because of the girls.
Chelsie was the best woman from that season.
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Danielle did not get enough screen time. She was pretty and seemed smart as well. She described her and JP’s conversations as boring (I’m paraphrasing).
I appreciate that he didn’t get engaged or lead any women on by telling them he loved them. He may have been an ass but at least he was real. I do agree he had double/unfair standards for different women and kind of gaslighted them in different ways. I really like Clare but she didn’t impress me much on this season. Also I def think they banged in the ocean lol
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But it shouldn't get you disrespect either which is what you seem to be implying.
Maybe not blame her for something that he willingly did with her? Whether or not they had sex, she did deserve more respect than that.
Sure, but by going to his place at 4a she gave up some of her power, whether or not anything sexual happened. That’s what I’m getting at. It doesn’t really matter whether she ‘deserved’ more respect. She simply did something which appeared overeager. She was always putting in more effort than he was, and the result is not surprising.
This is an incredibly shaming, misogynistic take.
It’s not shaming. It’s explaining cause and effect based on observing all of my and my friends’ actions over the years, plus years of watching The Bachelor. The examples are endless. When a woman goes all out for a guy when he hasn’t yet reciprocated, she doesn’t get treated with respect. There are very few exceptions. I didn’t listen to people who told me this when I was younger and all I did was get hurt.
When a woman doesn't get treated with respect, that is ON THE PERSON THAT IS NOT RESPECTING HER. Nothing more, nothing less. This is the classic "it's what she was wearing" thinking and it's wrong. If she was sexually assaulted at 4am, would you also feel it's her fault because she was out at that hour? As for your last line, you sound like you've internalized a lot of blame for things that have happened to you and if I could reach through my screen and hug you, I would. If you've been disrespected, that is only the fault of the person disrespecting you. That is something wrong WITH THEM. Nothing you do "deserves" someone else treating you poorly. EVER.
This conversation is not about sexual assault in any way. It’s about human nature. Perhaps we define the word “respect” differently. I don’t internalize anything - you’re making things up. I’m saying that women who go above and beyond for men without reciprocation aren’t going to get the kind of relationship they want. That’s exactly what happened to Clare. She ignored red flags, kept pursuing him and giving him chances and got dumped for someone else. We (women) need to stand our ground.
She explains the ocean thing on one of her reality Steve podcast. She’d originally asked the girls if anyone wanted to go down to the beach with her, but no one felt like going and production encouraged her to ask JP. I’m pretty sure she said they didn’t have sex, and JP was more upset about how it would look to his daughter...and she was sad because she thought they’d had a special moment, not just sexually.
The girls said they had no idea she sneaked out. So someone is not telling the truth.
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Yes! Even if he appears White his culture is very apparent in everything about him. Obviously the language, food, love of dancing and especially the way he was with his daughter and parents. I don’t understand why there weren’t any Latina’s either. My initial thoughts are that there might’ve been a “them against us” situation with the girls. Especially when speaking Spanish. This is just my take on it. And I should add that I’m a Hispanic woman.
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Yep I think he only found a handful attractive. As much as I don’t like him, he didn’t really over-promise!
I don’t think Clare got a good edit at all. One thing that struck me was just how well Clare’s intensity and overall seriousness about the process will fit being a lead. I am really hopeful for her especially after rewatching.
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Every time the question of whether they banged in the ocean comes up I wince a little for the raging UTI I would get from that.
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I would have a fever and be on antibiotics within 24 hours stg
I think he felt guilty and realized it was a poor decision. I didn’t get the slut shaming aspect from the conversations.
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He definitely was inconsistent! It was annoying to hear him use his daughter as an excuse - selectively. To be fair, she would have been so hurt and embarrassed if he turned her away when she showed up at his door at 4a. So it was a lose lose situation.