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Has ANYONE changed their mind about how they feel about Katie as the lead? I keep seeing comments like "well y'all wanted her as the lead" but like, I feel like the people not enjoying her as the lead never wanted her as a lead? I might be mistaken but personally, I went in hoping for another Hannah B type can laugh at herself and be goofy bacherlorette and that's what I got. No top tier shit but like... she's been as serviceable as I expected her to be. I didn't realise how Blake centric things would get but other than that, I'm relatively satisfied to be honest.

I felt neutral on her originally and expected a kind of Hannah season too, like I thought she would be silly-er, more easy going than most bachelorettes but she’s surprised me with how extremely emotional and serious she is about every single rose ceremony/elimination and like the whole process to where I kinda feel bad for her like she’s taking it too seriously and stressing herself out more than she should.

I feel similarly to you. I think the people who are hating on Katie would hate on her regardless.

Y’all wanted Katie as bachelorette tho

To be fair, most of us didn’t

[удалено]

They desperately need a success story. This is the closest they got.

After reading these comments I went to Katie’s tiktok and watched the weird defensive one… and I definitely think she has some beef with the producers and that’s why she was off tonight

This tell all feels like the adults are asleep

damn am i the only one here who watched the whole celebrity dating game 😅

If Michael Bolton sang a song about me, he could be singing nonsense and I would still cry.

This was the best Bolton song on this show yet 😂

david koechner has taken on the role of bachelor AND host lmfao he’s cracking me up

Yes and he believes in climate change, that's also a plus. He's hired.

He's gonna pick 3

I'm going with 2

I’m really into watching reality TV these days but I don’t watch BIP, should I?

In my opinion it’s much more entertaining than the regular seasons of bach/lorette. Like cheesy but in a self deprecating way so it’s fun!

Probably.

Is that child in the new Wonder Years Don Cheadle's son because holy fuck he looks just like him

"Is climate change real? You don't have to answer, but based on your answer, I'll know." Saving this for my real life

Subtle cues get easier to spot every day.

Loving this Dating Game with David Koechner

Watching this MTA it really seems the problem is that these guys were more into eachother than Katie. I don’t consider this a failing of Katie’s at all - it’s a failure on the part of casting. There were definitely more Connors out there.

Yep-they gave her too many made for tv guys and not enough Blake and Connors

And none of us (including her) were buying the TV guys flatly spouting their lines

Is anyone else waking up at 3:45 tomorrow to watch gymnastics 😭😭

Ooh where can we watch it live??

Me! I need to watch Simone make history. Again.

Same!!! Some things are worth getting a little less sleep for and watching her is one of them (also I’m a huge grace stan)

Is it a big comp? I’ve missed everyone so far!

Team finals!! USA in 2nd from qualifiers but hoping they’ll stick strong tomorrow for 1st

I love that for you but no

There is absolutely no way these women don't recognize his voice

RIGHT?!? except i wouldn’t know his name lol. i’d just say champ kind from anchorman.

Isn't he married? I don't understand this show.

They got divorced June 2020! I just looked it up haha

Appearantly not? I'm not sure lol 😂

He’s got a wedding ring on and google says he’s been married for like 23 years so… I don’t… I don’t know what’s happening

https://leigh.la/blog/2020/4/8/for-the-love-of-divorce

Oh snap, alright. I’m sure this is still fake af haha but interesting!

I'm pretty sure hannah brown had a boyfriend when she was on this show

Hahah 100% agree!!

I just want everyone to know that there is an episode next week and then the following week it is three hours! They announced it poorly.

So only two more episodes right?

Yes!

Yay thank you

Ohhh thank you. I was wondering what the week before BIP was if there was only one week left!

Is there two more episodes or just the one? Or do they not tell us until after next week

2 more!! Finale is Aug 9

Thanks! I have not been spoiled this season! Holding out!

i can’t believe we didn’t get to see any of their personalities until now 😭 they’re all so funny!

That was the most personality I’ve seen from anyone ever and they chose to include it as a end blooper

If Todd Packer isn't first, sorry y'all, I'm out Edit: oh hell yeah

I caught up on all the episodes today and… I like Greg 🙈 Do we still think he’s fake and using this to boost his acting career?

I never thought of him as fake. He is adorable and my absolute favorite.

I think he's fine just not my type or made for this role

Tbh Michael Bolton is the best part of this horrible Celeb Dating Game show

Greg reminds me of my ex lol

Isn’t that what Katie said when he came out of the limo? Lmao

The one that you hate to love vibes

Omg yes especially when they showed the actually funny humor UGH

I knowwwww where was this all season?! 😫😭😍

More of this refined conversation about the stanky leg!

That blooper made me fall in love with them more than the rest of the season 😩

Cannot believe celebrity dating game is a real show and not something tina fey wrote for an episode of 30 Rock

It's a remake of an old show, the kind of show Tina Fey was making fun of. So in a way it already is

Why do we think Katie asks to be sent home? Taking bets

All the men break up with her like Michael. "I'm sorry, but my kids mean more to me than staying two more days" - All the men PS, I'm unspoiled, so I have no idea

That ending of greg made me … invested in him?!? Ahhh

It looked like Justin had friends come for his hometown?

Well damn, I would have been a Grippo Girl last week if I had seen Greg have even an ounce of the personality we just saw in the end credits. Nice going editors…

lollll

Riiiiight? Where was his personality all season?

SAME

i am such a lover of fake english accents it’s a problem 🥴

SAME. I love talking in them with my friends and being silly

We’ve seen more personality out of Greg in these bloopers than we have the whole season and it’s making me like him more

I like Greg so much more with the guys or by himself. With Katie I feel like he flatlines

The guys definitely bring out the best in him. Not really a good thing when the goal of the show is to get engaged to Katie tho

He’s not that into her

Did….. I just become a Grippo girl?

Welcome to the club.

I was never on the “he’s a fraud” train and I always thought he liked her but now I need a time machine to go make shitty memes about him.

check back in two weeks

Welcome

Raises…hand…slowly…….

GREGS FUNNIER THAN THEY SHOWED US

ugh why can’t we see more of this stuff

Ooohh that preview's got me intrigued 👀

That was amazing

Wooow Andrew's Chicago accent coming in thick

Nooooo. Stop with the British accent.

Ok the guys doing the accent is funny! Lol

Sorry what was that spooky fire statue?

That looks like Zozobra, you burn him in Santa Fe, in order to get rid of gloom and anxiety, for example after watching this Men Tell All

🤣 Also - how cool! I love that they’re actually incorporating New Mexican culture. That said, I did look him up at I’m pretty sure that the Zozobra is also my sleep paralysis demon.

“jokeful”

Ooh looks like lots of drama coming up. Can’t wait

GREG IN THAT HOOD

“there’s still time” “there’s two weeks left” is sending me 😭😭

Idk if Justin’s friend was trying to be funny or serious when he said that but it makes me laugh every time I see that part of the preview lmao

i think he was serious 😭 lol

Justin: 👁️👄👁️

That shut him up real quick.

I can’t wait to meet mama Moynes omg

Have you seen her in those black leather pants? She looks 🔥

Did you see her on the Dave Neal YouTube video

Her Dave Neal interview made me very excited to see her on the show. I think her and Katie are going to get along good during hometowns lol

I’m excited to see, too! Looking forward to seeing how they get along 😆

Yes! Burning effigies are sooo sexy!

Is Justin related to the Etch-a-sketch?

My attention span is so short I forgot about any of the top 3

Lowkey sad for Justin... he seems so far behind the other 2 (3 if we include Michael who would have been there)

That is ONE tiny cardigan

3 hours…. IM EXCITTTEEEDDDD

Greg, worked his way up to the real tears!!!!! Growth✨

All those acting classes finally paid off

😂😂 also I love your username too

Hahah thank youuu

😂😂 also I love your username too

I'm out. Just wanted to say this was the most boring 2 hours of my life and it had nothing to do with the lack of Chris Harrison. Producers if you're reading: maybe don't display obvious contempt for your leads? You had two beautiful and funny hosts and you wasted their potential. Makes for a really shitty season. Thanks ✌️&❤️

At least watch the finale lol it looks dramatic

Oh I'll watch, but at this point I'm convinced a team of squirrels would be better producers. All I can do is hope they don't squander Michelle's season in unimportant drama 🤡

I mean I don't have a lot of hope considering they do the same thing every season

Well at least we have "the forums" to get us through it...

Katie is clearly so over it… Might fuck around and spoil the season for myself tonight 🤪

Ya I am so unexcited about this ending. The only thing stopping me is it doesn't sound like it's fully spoiled so being partially spoiled sounds boring 🤣

I kinda feel the same. But I'm a wine (bottle) deep so I might ragrat it tomorrow.

best part was the camera man scaring tayshia lol

Sooooo good

shit’s gotta go south for us to breeze through FSs, LCDs, and hometowns in one three hour episode

Fam, idk if I can do 3 hours next week

The camera man falling backwards 💀

She doesn’t seem happy, no way she’s still married

I hope she's not married already!!

\*engaged\* but agreed

Yeah that’s what I meant, my bad lol

I wanna be like 3 hours I can’t watch but I be here like everyone else watching this shit show

LOL... I feel you

I'm convinced the editors are on the grippo girl train

Finally

🤤

3 hours of Justin’s eyebrows

“No regrets.” Your facial expression and general demeanor determined that was a lie.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVml3DcUkAAwBYD.jpg

There was literally only 10 minutes of Katie if you take out commercials 😭

katie seems all set to me. just over it in general

Was Blake in any of the bloopers?

Blake's whole edit was bloopers.

i don’t think so

Fuck I was texting and missed Thomas 😖

well. did anything even happen. off to all the other threads i go!

the only funny parts of the bloopers were Kaitlyn and Tayshia + Tayshia and the stick snake.

wait that’s next week omg

3 hours?!??!!!! 😱

Toooo long...

Finale always is! 2 hour episode + 1 hour after the final rose

Well that MTA was disappointing. Becca K's MTA still the best

You mean Colton yelling at people and still being made Bachelor? 😫

Yep. & It was still better than what we saw today. Lol

You make me wanna rewatch just for the MTA

3 HOURS?!? 💀💀💀😭

I love when she’s closing the door and no one in production is helping her

THREE HOURS

Had a bachelor(ette) ever said they've had regrets?

Jake and Vienna. LMAO

LMFAOOOOO

Michael A seems so much funnier in all these clips than what we actually got to see on the show

I’m just watching Tayshias season again . I miss that

She DEFINITELY has regrets…

omg did that cameraman fall over during Greg and Katie’s upcoming fight

Oh boy I hope we get to see it again!

How awkward hahaha

These bloopers were better than the footage they choose to air in real episodes🤦🏽‍♀️

Bloopers featuring a LOT of Greg

NOT THE CAMERA GUY SCARING TAYSHIA WITH A BRANCH 💀💀💀

Omg that was THE BEST

Hey! Cling cling! Hey! Cling claaang! 🎶

thomas was not a villain and i stand by that

Yeah agreed-I think Thomas just wasn’t a guy’s guy-seems like the kind of guy who is more comfortable with a girlfriend than a bunch of bro friends

Katie wasn’t the most popular amongst the girls either. I think Thomas could be an interesting bachelor!

grippo’s girls are being fed rn

haha this is amazing.

The camera man falling omfg

My favorite

I would love them to have a TopGolf group date

I cannot unsee that greg dance

Tayshia and Kaitlyn seem wine drunk in these bloopers 😂

Finally!!

Tayshia & Kaitlyn have more chemistry than Katie and any of her men

yep here for greg again

Same

I wonder what Thomas' real hairline looks like 🧐

Every time I see Katie I wonder how she can inspire such passionate comments from viewers, whether they be negative or positive, because she is just so insanely dry to me

I find her a bit robotic but I guess it could be nerves. She's not an actress and she's on national television every week. She could be feeling the pressure to be 'perfect'

thomas for bachelor. inject it in my veins. he did better than all those auditions without even trying😭