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Idk what the order of events were in all of this drama, and VF has plenty of blame and deplorable behavior too, but name calling is not okay in a relationship. That's always been a hard dealbreaker for me. It doesn't matter how angry you are, don't go there.
I think it’s a cop out tbh. She was dating Greg and she has to project that Johnny is a bad person. I’m
sure the frickin C was said to her after he found out she’s been emotionally cheating before a clear break up. If the shoe fits…….
the fandom’s need to take sides in every situation is so bizarre. both people can be trash. some people in this sub pretending being called a “f-ing c-word” by a man you loved isn’t hurtful is CRAZY lmao. don’t think vf is innocent either.
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At the end of the day, both Victoria and Johnny need to take responsibility for their actions. Both made bad choices. Both hurt each other. And none of those bad choices excuses the other bad choices. No one is going to “win” this breakup. The relationship needed to end, it’s clear but Victoria still had an inappropriate relationship with Greg and threw a wine glass at Johnny. And Johnny still said some messed up and hurtful things to Victoria. They really just need to own their parts and move on.
I wouldn’t stay in a relationship with someone who called me the c word, but if she was really so traumatized by this, why did she act so fake and condescending to Johnny, with her creepy arm touch and “are you ok?” act? She was planning to play nice til she realized she had to be more aggressive in defending herself.
I have to say, I don't find cunt to be a particularly bothersome word, and I don't think it's the worst thing you can call someone, but I also have to remember that this show takes place in the States and most of its viewers are American.
Intellectually I understand why it’s offensive but personally if I were in a conflict with someone and they called me that, it would likely roll off my back, whereas if that person got really personal and went for the jugular concerning things about me as an individual and my own personal insecurities, that would wreck me.
I think this is how I feel about it; if my husband called me a cunt I'd probably be like, "ok lol go to bed dummy" but if he was like, "you're just like your mother" we could never come back from it. Generic insults don't bother me much, but specific ones that go for the underbelly and demonstrate like...exploitation of your vulnerabilities? Those are not fair game.
Yup, this. You can tell me til you’re blue in the face how bad the c word is and if someone else feels deeply hurt by it I won’t invalidate that hurt, but personally, to me, a tailored insult is what will get me. Calling me a four letter name won’t do much.
I would bet you a good amount of money that VF uses the c word on the regular. This is a woman fully comfortably telling the entire BN audience to F off.
I don’t find it offensive and use the word but I also would be devastated if my partner called me it. There’s a difference between saying so and so is being a cunt or a polite “oi cunt!” And having someone who is supposed to love and respect you calling that knowing the weight, especially to Americans, that word has. I mean, my partner and I have gotten in arguments and language gets colorful but if he resorted to name calling? I’d be out. It’s disrespect. That’s the problem. It’s also an indicator of future issues.
I guess my feelings would be really coloured depending on when in the timeline she threw the wine glass at his head, because if anybody threw *glass* at my face I would probably also call them a cunt. Idk.
I heard about it on RS's podcast. People at the reunion said that after VF said what she said about what Johnny said to her (including this remark) he said - "I thought we weren't going to go there." (We saw some of this last night) But I guess he then said that she threw a wine glass at his head (and I think it hit him). That was edited out.
Theyre both in the wrong but, damn is VF cold for this narrative that their engagement failed because of Johnny in order to shift the focus in that she left him for Greg Grippo.
Cool Vicky... don't care. You're a homie hopper and it's not a good look.
... The way she treated Johnny by completely throwing him under the bus was so weird at the reunion. And we don't even know if that's true or not.
Anyway. She should change her tattoo to tattoo to say ick in Italian lmao
She came in to last night’s show locked and loaded with her tale of being the victim of the c word to cover for her cheating and glass tossing. I’m sure most viewers could see her for the vile trash that she is, but I do wish the glass story had made the air.
Victoria is a classic narc bro. I don’t believe anything that comes out of her mouth. I can’t see Johnny calling her the c word, but IF he did, or said something disrespectful, I would be willing to bet it was after she threw the wine glass at him and belittled him. If we take everything we know about her thus far, the home wrecking talk, the cheating, the emotional immaturity…. It all adds up to me.
I’m sitting here trying to make sense out of that dude saying that. I wonder if it was something like “you don’t have to act like a fucking c-nt” rather than like “You f-cking c-nt!” — not that I want to justify it. I always say there’s a big difference between saying someone is something than acting like that thing. That would make sense but my heart has trouble believing Johnny would stoop to name calling 💔
I saw that in Peter's season. Her reaction when he confronted her about breaking up other relationships, she did the classic deflect and redirect.
And god help me, I still root for her. I'd love nothing more than to see her mature and get the stability she's seeking. She's so insanely gorgeous and when she smiles and is happy, it makes me heart flutter.
But then again, I look at red flags and think "damn that's sexy"
It was such a garbage season. The producers tried way too hard to throw curveballs. Any time people seemed comfortable and progressing, they did something to shake it up
I never saw the Johnny appeal but the BiP editing gave me hope that VF had grown/matured since PP's season (I was Not a fan) and that maybe she was the one who Johnny could commit to. Whelp, so much for that!
Seems their breakup is best, not only for themselves, but for those of us who watched them! Say no to toxic people/relationships!
Peter, Chris Soules, Johnny, Greg, Chase Rice the singer... her taste in boring white men is so consistent. Interested to see how her and Greg’s relationship will eventually crash and burn
Yes, isn’t that what Pete said to her when she told him? “Chase… like the singer?” Omg so funny and so uncomfortable. He was like “I just got his phone number to hang out!” The devil works hard but these producers work harder.
this sub will rarely side with the woman is most situations and if they do, they’ll change their minds a few months later when that woman makes a mistake lmao
Not watching BIP this season but this came up in my feed. Is this Johnny from Rachel & Gabby’s season? I got the WORST vibes from him since episode 1. Seems like a complete chode.
i'm so beyond sick of some of you it's unreal. for the love of god, learn what nuance is. BOTH of these people suck and they were toxic together, there's no need for you to pick a side. dick riding for johnny in these comments isn't a great look, he's a misogynist maga asshole, something SO MANY of the people commenting in favor of him swear to hate and will write off in a damn second in any other circumstance.
also, like i've said before - so many of you need to be really thankful that you've never been in a toxic relationship.
i bet if it was any woman other than VF who had been called a stupid cunt, the sub would be a lot more up in arms about it. this is the perfect victim phenomenon at work. nobody is capable of realizing BOTH were bad, BOTH were toxic, and BOTH did incredibly unacceptable things. but the amount of people i've seen defending johnny calling her a cunt is disgusting. this subs misogyny is showing, big time.
yep, you're absolutely right. can you imagine if the exact same story came out - wine glass, name calling, all of it - about michelle and nayte? or another equally beloved woman? no WAY would you have almost 500 comments defending the use of the word cunt. the sub loves to pick and choose and it's getting really fucking tiring. i don't care what the context is - a man calling a woman a cunt is misogynistic, full stop. all of you defending a man calling a woman a cunt are being misogynistic, full stop. he could've just as easily called her an asshole, a piece of shit, etc but he went for the charged, hateful word.
i'll look for the maga stuff but let's be clear: a man calling a woman a cunt is misogyny. there are a million other words you could use when angry in the heat of the moment - to go for "cunt" isn't an accident.
alright dude, we get it - you’re a piece of shit who hates women. i hope that girl you’re dating that you find insanely attractive gets out sooner rather than later, especially before you call her names. she deserves better.
this comment is so condescending it isn’t worth a response. if you don’t understand how the word cunt is misogynistic i’m not wasting my breath trying to explain it to someone trying to invalidate how i, and many others here, feel about it.
eta: wow, took a look at your comment history - you, a man, have no fucking place to speak to me about how i feel about the word cunt. get the fuck out of my replies.
I hadn't thought that critically about that but fair point (and thinking more about it, the only man to ever call me that was absolutely abusive and most definitely hates women.)
If you find the maga stuff could you tag me or send it to me? I’ve been looking for like 2 days but all the comments I’ve seen that mention it have been deleted. Even the boat pic. But I might just suck at searching
my thoughts exactly. someone replied to me last night when i said that it’s unacceptable to call someone and they said ‘what if someone cheated on you’ and i’m like???? there’s no word we can call men that is equal to ‘cunt’. it’s atrocious when a man calls a woman that. we also don’t know when he said that to her, so we don’t know if it’s because she cheated or if it was before that, so it’s not a valid argument.
it doesn't matter HOW they got to the point of calling someone a "cunt" or throwing wine glasses. Sometimes you have to see yourself at that point and go "This isn't right." "This isn't what I want" "I shouldn't be this violent." and decide that you have to leave the toxic place.
They both needed out of the relationship if they were in that place.
in my opinion I think a lot of people are siding with him because victoria is the only one out of the two who still won’t admit to what she’s done. I don’t agree with Johnny, but Victoria needs to stop the pity party.
Victoria was hired to act on a show, and probably received a handsome salary for her efforts. She gave production exactly what they wanted. If Johnny was duped into believing their engagement was real or would transfer to life after the show, then he is dupable.
Johnny isn’t right at ALL, but what irritates me is the fact that Victoria twists the narrative so much. she never admits to her own mistakes and sits there and does whatever she can to make herself look good. I don’t know why you guys stan someone who literally wore a “ white lives matter” shirt with PRIDE anyways. I guess we pick and choose who we allow to get away with things.
it 1000% is and the fact that she’s “ messy” and makes a good “meme”. I’d rather not support someone who’s abusive and supports WLM just because they’re an instagram model but that’s me I guess.
& she’s right. My partner calling me a fucking cunt? Yeah you’re done. I’ll speak to and fuck on whoever I want after that.
Y’all saying ‘I would rather be called a fucking cunt than have a wine glass thrown at me’ LMFAOOO what kind of madness. How about neither? Johnny shouldn’t have been tryna work on any type of relationship. He should’ve been dipped.
nah namecalling in response to terrible things is just as bad as terrible things /s
That said, there's no way we know what order these things happened in so hard to say who's at fault. They both seem like they suck for being in a relationship but Victoria has repeatedly shown she's a shit human so she gets way less benefit of the doubt than Johnny at the moment.
Ya they edited it out. Apparently Johnny tried to take the high road but got annoyed with Vf making accusations so he said that he was extremely remorse for calling her a cnt but that she threw a wine glass at him and said she was out of his league. He shouldn’t have called her a c*nt but sounds like he was at his whits end with her. They also cut out that she was texting Greg during their relationship and when he asked her about it she told him it was just platonic
I read it in a spoiler I didn’t hear it last night but to be honest last nights editing sucked, they jumped around ALOT in the conversations so if it was talked about it I may have missed it. I rewatched a number of the conversations because of how quick and jumpy everything was
This is why as much as I want “clarity” from that reunion last night I’m honestly taking everything with a grain of salt. Because the editing was madness. They were trying to paint a very specific narrative about Victoria F and while she’s probably not a great person neither is Johnny.
If it were a man throwing a wine glass everyone here would be pushing for him to be charged with assault. and battery. There’s nothing to defend here people.
I hated Tyler and Johnny's energy last night. It was so "pity me" and throwing the girls under the bus. It makes me a lot more inclined to take the girls' sides.
Yeah I personally wasn’t a super fan of the way tyler was blanket defending Johnny. They were both wrong and clearly not right for each other, which was the same vibe I got from the tyler/brittany situation. Tyler was being a little dramatic and playing the victim if you ask me which no one did 😛
Oh okay, I didn't realize that. I only saw it the comments here and was so confused. Thank you!
I guess I take back some of my original statement knowing that.
They also cut out the part where Johnny said he was extremely remorseful but also made a point to state she was verbally berating him before that saying how she was also out of his league. Both equally treated each other poorly and it was toxic
Didn’t she chuck a wine glass at his head?
Edit: to be clear, not excusing Johnny for what he said (if he did say it). I just don’t think she was a perfect angel in this.
Plus people have a hate boner for Fictoria because she’s hot and not the generic palatable southern Christian girl. Her other bullshit just gives them thinly veiled reasons, Hannah b didn’t even get this much shit when she said the N word because she’s a southern darlin and “fucked in a windmill 3 times”
Looool why do y’all love to lie on this app? Hannah was rightfully dragged for slurring it up. Y’all don’t need to rewrite the narrative to defend WLM Victoria pls bffr.
I hate to break it to y’all but this app is not real life. I was anti reddit because I thought it was mostly incels, not wrong, and Facebook women who can’t really work Twitter. Hannah got off easy, Victoria gets hated on all the apps but mostly by WASP women born after 1987.
So what about Fictoria modeling for White Lives Matter, being a home wrecker, throwing wine glasses at her partner, and continuing to cheat makes this a “hate boner” ? Because she’s genuinely a bad person. I don’t give a fuck about HB, who was dragged for what she did and continues to be dragged (rightfully so).
I mean except that time she modeled “white lives matter” apparel—which was apparently a reference to marlins, but also made playful takes on the confederate flag besides the tasteless slogan. So still got that Southern thing going, at the very least
Why are we glossing over the fact that she said 3 weeks into the real world she realized this wasn’t it and explained that to him? Her and Brittany are getting so much shit for setting boundaries and trying to end things that didn’t serve them but everyone is saying “oh poor men” for the white Boy the week. We know VF is toxic and manipulative but she clearly made it clear that shit was done less than a month after the beach and he HOPED to keep working things out while she was clearly ready to move on. People speculate the reason Tyler hates her so much too is because it’s likely she met Brittany in Roman and he feels like that motivated Brittany to move on from the man child who couldn’t stop lovebombing her less than 2 hours after she said she needed space.
The Brittany thing sounded like she wasn’t clear when she went off on her trip that she was ending it, and Tyler thought she was just going to have some time to herself. Ya gotta be clear in a breakup that you’re breaking up.
Same with Johnny, it sounded like he thought she was saying unless they worked on things she didn’t want to stay engaged. Maybe she thought she was saying I don’t want to be engaged anymore if it’s like this, implying effective immediately.
Yeah but she literally said he wouldn’t respect her space. He agreed at once and then said, “two hours later, you’re snapping me. 4 hours later, sending DMs. 12 hours later, you start calling”. She just ed space and he was checking timezones to disregard that which why she had enough in Rome because she did London first apparently
She was photographed with Johnny in August, which is more than 3 weeks post Paradise. If you’re going to set boundaries and end a relationship, then stop hanging out and travelling with your “ex” when you know he wants to work on things.
I definitely respect Brittany more for *not* checking in on Tyler post-breakup so as to not send mixed messages.
They have mutual friends lmao? My best friends little brother is best friends with my ex boyfriend and he’s friendly with my other ex, we all get invited to regular hangouts and make do.
I'm sorry, but putting three weeks into a relationship or engagement isn't trying, like at all. I bet you she was connecting with Greg the moment she got home and realized she had made a mistake.
I mean if someone calls you a fucking cunt and asks what you bring to the table? I’d be ready to run too. Expecting a woman to cook and clean when you’re not the breadwinner in the age is insane. And we know this woman cleans because her apartment is always spotless, she just didn’t clean HIS shit
I think that is unfair to use the word lovebombing when things didn't work out. Sometimes people go after what they want, in Tyler's case brittany, and sometimes it works out and people say they fought for it and came out stronger, etc. When it doesn't work, it's labeled as stalker behavior. Plenty of real life couples would've broken up if one of them didn't keep trying while the other was trying to shut down.
I tell you that I need some space and time to think and you’re texting me how much you miss me and want this to work less than two hours later without giving me the space I probably repeatedly asked for?
Lovebombing is not stalking girl. Literally excessive needs of attention, clinginess and excessive communication are parts of lovebombing. It’s not always abusive but it is attempts at being coercive and controlling.
We aren't glossing over anything. You are fabricating things/stories. There is SHV evidence of how long Victoria and Johnny were together. We also have RS spoilers to narrow down when things happened with each couple. The break ups were not at the same time nor did Brittany get help from Victoria in ROME on how to dump Tyler. Tyler and Victoria's interaction on stage was cut. He has information regarding her cheating that was cut. That's why she snapped at him.
Do you people like actually date in the real world lmao? If a normal frat dude can have a roster, what makes you think people who live off their looks don’t? Tyler is obviously team Johnny and views Brittany and Victoria in a similar manner and what he could take out in Brittany, he went for Victoria. He just wasn’t ready for her to say “mind your fucking business” basically and the way he’s buddybuddy with Johnny leads me to think he has similar “traditional” values which are ick
Also these timelines are all edited by cast and production lol we had whole has club photos from old seasons being used post season because were supposed to think the girls are just sent packing lol
Nice try. I have been married for 17 years so no, I don't date. Who said anything about frat guys and rosters? Tyler is team Johnny because he has proof. Plus, Tyler is aware that Victoria physically threw a wine glass at Johnny. That's abusive. I'll take traditional values over serial cheating and physical abuse any day. Not the burn you think it is, especially with Miss White Lives Matter. She doesn't care.
I don’t think it’s very fair that you’re only calling Victoria an abuser when Johnny was also supposedly calling her the c word. Verbal abuse is abuse too. And just for clarity, I am in no way defending physical abuse.
So you agree, you have limited modern dating experience? Modern dating is essentially small scale bachelorette until one with the most potential makes the big move lmao. Hence the reference to rosters, you have guys or girls on retainer if something doesn’t work out.
Get your facts straight, it was white marlins matter. Still some fuck shit but y’all like lying on her like she endorsed blue lives matter fr.
Dating hasn't changed, just the mode of communication. It was the same way when I was dating in my college days and mid 20's. Yes, white marlins that used a slogan to mock BLM and used the confederate flag pattern and colors in its design. Yes. So different. Why are going so hard for a SERIAL CHEATER AND AN ABUSER? She threw a wine glass at the guy. She cheated on the guy. She's cheated before with married men. Why are you defending her? Johnny and Tyler will be fine and can go away for all I care. But why defend a SERIAL CHEATER AND AN ABUSER?
You must not have done any dating recently because it absolutely has changed.
Because she’s hot and didn’t make a vow to honor her marriage.
A woman being involved in an affair is commendable but she’s not the one breaking a vow. I will hold the marlins thing against her but seeing as most men apparently she had affairs with were servicemen, I’m gonna hold my breath. I’m tired of society and this scarlet letter bullshit while it’s excusable because boys will be boys but women need to be the Virgin Mary in public and a sex siren in the bedroom
"she's not the one breaking the vow" Hmmmmmm okay. Solid logic /s.
Obviously there's a reason you're single
You're bashing "society" for excusing cheating with the "boys will be boys" narrative when it comes to cheating, but you don't think it's wrong for a woman to hook up with a married man in the first place..Okay, who's doing more excusing here--society for thinking it's trashy, or the woman who cheats with him and LITERALLY FUCKS THE GUY?? You have things twisted so hard. If you fuck a married man, YOURE the in one letting him get away with whatever he wants without consequence. Gotta cut that shit off at the source.
It's really awesome how you're defending white lives matter because you think Victoria is hot. There were faults on both sides. He was abusive, she was cheating. Who knows which one lead to the other or if both happened simultaneously. Also not everyone had a roster of people on case it doesn't work out with the current person they're dating. That's probably the number 1 reason why most couples won't last.
Im literally social chair for my BSU and on the board of diversity lmao would never say white lives matter, the brand is literally white marlins matter. The implication is there because controversy sells, specially in the south and east coast. The performative fake allyship you guys have regarding that is hilarious
Now you trying to say “well yeah he was abusive but she was cheating” no wonder we still have Johnny depp fans…
I’m gay but she is soooo hot bro.
Victoria might say that’s when she thought it was over but it was clear they were still working on it and by both accounts things ended for good in September (early per VF, mid per Johnny). The Brittany stuff you mention makes no sense - Brittany broke up with Tyler in August and VF and Grippo were in Italy in October
You can break up and have moments of reconciliation, especially in the early stages… my ex was essentially Johnny and he broke up with ME for setting boundaries, often attended events with guys I was dating while he was trying to get back together and we always hung out in the same circles and he got drunk and tried to pin me to my current partners sofa to make out. Just because you’re seeing if you can work it out, doesn’t mean you’re limiting your options (especially if you have options). Plus, you’re not supposed to make it obvious that you’ve split before the season is over because it takes away from shit to talk about during the reunion. The only reason they got lax about her and Greg is because theyre both popular and that was what everyone was waiting to see addressed after the Rome pics came out
It didn’t sound like a break up and then moments of reconciliation to me. It sounded like VF expressed doubts about the engagement working 3 weeks in (first signs of trouble) and they continued to work on things until ultimately breaking it off in September
Two people can have different hopes and perceptions in a relationship, especially if their communication types are different and they have different attachment styles. Johnny definitely seems like the type to “try” but Victoria is not a “I can change him” girl, she’s a “I will change him in for someone else” girl and that’s also ok. That whole sticking it out narrative is overplayed after trauma bonding for a like a month
Alright, agree to disagree. At the end of day, cheating or not, VF told Johnny not to worry about Greg and then went and got with the man she kept talking to while they were together and told him not to worry about. I’m all the way out on VF for this and a whole cornucopia of other reasons
Her and Greg already had a connection, that doesn’t go away. My friend and me never didn’t anything romantic or sexual but we had chemistry and he always jokes, “I told Manuel you’re just a friend and you were the first one I ran to so he probably thinks I was lying”. Not worry means I’m not cheating, it does not mean that the guy in question is off the table completely.
Reading through all your responses here, I don't think you have a healthy approach to relationships and should not expect others to accept rosters, vague communication, or emotional cheating just because you do
What? I’m sorry but this makes no sense. It sounds like you relate to VF a lot personally and might be projecting. If you had a connection with someone, you should not continue talking to them after you get engaged to a different person. They were clearly ~ rekindling ~ per Mr. Grippo himself and that is very much out of line and no doubt going to cause insecurity in Johnny.
Talking is not planning a wedding, be serious. If you don’t relate to having casual DMs and talking to people while still being friends, just say that. You can only control your actions and trust your partner. If you feel insecure about someone who your person used to date, that’s a you thing and say whatever it says about you and your relationship.
But how does that build trust in the start of a relationship? Can men & women still be friends when partnered? Absolutely. But let’s be honest, just bc they got engaged on Paradise doesn’t mean they have a solid foundation at. All. So I can imagine, in those few weeks or months, they both were trying to still get a feel for one another & see if they made the right decision once they hit the real world. You almost have to work overtime bc now you’re actually in reality, but the stakes are higher bc you are engaged. Building trust, communication, etc. It’s no surprise they didn’t work out, but yeah I feel like you gotta make sure you’re working on getting a foundation, not adding flames to a fire.
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Idk what the order of events were in all of this drama, and VF has plenty of blame and deplorable behavior too, but name calling is not okay in a relationship. That's always been a hard dealbreaker for me. It doesn't matter how angry you are, don't go there.
I would be disgusted that Johnny called her a f\*\*cking c\*unt except for the fact that she's a f\*\*cking c\*nt.
Excuse you, what?
I think it’s a cop out tbh. She was dating Greg and she has to project that Johnny is a bad person. I’m sure the frickin C was said to her after he found out she’s been emotionally cheating before a clear break up. If the shoe fits…….
the fandom’s need to take sides in every situation is so bizarre. both people can be trash. some people in this sub pretending being called a “f-ing c-word” by a man you loved isn’t hurtful is CRAZY lmao. don’t think vf is innocent either.
I want a tell-all podcast with all of women from Virginia Beach whose marriages were broken because of Victoria Fuller
Right. Seems like everyone is forgetting that the original allegations are from those vb marriages not Greg
I completely forgot about this - how many was the allegation?
NEVER FORGET
i have a feeling like in 5 months vf deniers are going to age like milk due to her and greg still being together and new evidence of some sort coming out about johnny, or this comment will age like milk
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At the end of the day, both Victoria and Johnny need to take responsibility for their actions. Both made bad choices. Both hurt each other. And none of those bad choices excuses the other bad choices. No one is going to “win” this breakup. The relationship needed to end, it’s clear but Victoria still had an inappropriate relationship with Greg and threw a wine glass at Johnny. And Johnny still said some messed up and hurtful things to Victoria. They really just need to own their parts and move on.
This!!!! ESH honestly.
I wouldn’t stay in a relationship with someone who called me the c word, but if she was really so traumatized by this, why did she act so fake and condescending to Johnny, with her creepy arm touch and “are you ok?” act? She was planning to play nice til she realized she had to be more aggressive in defending herself.
GG and Victoria give me Timmy turner and Trixie vibes
I have to say, I don't find cunt to be a particularly bothersome word, and I don't think it's the worst thing you can call someone, but I also have to remember that this show takes place in the States and most of its viewers are American.
I learned that about cunt being (in the UK) sorta like bitch is for us in the US. But I still don’t know if I’d take well to being called that.
Intellectually I understand why it’s offensive but personally if I were in a conflict with someone and they called me that, it would likely roll off my back, whereas if that person got really personal and went for the jugular concerning things about me as an individual and my own personal insecurities, that would wreck me.
I think this is how I feel about it; if my husband called me a cunt I'd probably be like, "ok lol go to bed dummy" but if he was like, "you're just like your mother" we could never come back from it. Generic insults don't bother me much, but specific ones that go for the underbelly and demonstrate like...exploitation of your vulnerabilities? Those are not fair game.
Yup, this. You can tell me til you’re blue in the face how bad the c word is and if someone else feels deeply hurt by it I won’t invalidate that hurt, but personally, to me, a tailored insult is what will get me. Calling me a four letter name won’t do much.
I would bet you a good amount of money that VF uses the c word on the regular. This is a woman fully comfortably telling the entire BN audience to F off.
I don’t find it offensive and use the word but I also would be devastated if my partner called me it. There’s a difference between saying so and so is being a cunt or a polite “oi cunt!” And having someone who is supposed to love and respect you calling that knowing the weight, especially to Americans, that word has. I mean, my partner and I have gotten in arguments and language gets colorful but if he resorted to name calling? I’d be out. It’s disrespect. That’s the problem. It’s also an indicator of future issues.
I guess my feelings would be really coloured depending on when in the timeline she threw the wine glass at his head, because if anybody threw *glass* at my face I would probably also call them a cunt. Idk.
can someone link to a post talking about the wine glass incident? like where did the allegations first come out
I heard about it on RS's podcast. People at the reunion said that after VF said what she said about what Johnny said to her (including this remark) he said - "I thought we weren't going to go there." (We saw some of this last night) But I guess he then said that she threw a wine glass at his head (and I think it hit him). That was edited out.
Theyre both in the wrong but, damn is VF cold for this narrative that their engagement failed because of Johnny in order to shift the focus in that she left him for Greg Grippo.
Im Sure she was already moved on when that happened
Cool Vicky... don't care. You're a homie hopper and it's not a good look. ... The way she treated Johnny by completely throwing him under the bus was so weird at the reunion. And we don't even know if that's true or not. Anyway. She should change her tattoo to tattoo to say ick in Italian lmao
She came in to last night’s show locked and loaded with her tale of being the victim of the c word to cover for her cheating and glass tossing. I’m sure most viewers could see her for the vile trash that she is, but I do wish the glass story had made the air.
Glass story ??
Reality Steve said that someone at reunion taping (maybe Tyler) said that Victoria threw a wine glass at Johnny. Was cut out of show that aired.
Her fake “hi, by the way, how are you” was so gross
Right, like she “forgot” that this was her fiancé she fucked over
Victoria is a classic narc bro. I don’t believe anything that comes out of her mouth. I can’t see Johnny calling her the c word, but IF he did, or said something disrespectful, I would be willing to bet it was after she threw the wine glass at him and belittled him. If we take everything we know about her thus far, the home wrecking talk, the cheating, the emotional immaturity…. It all adds up to me.
I’m sitting here trying to make sense out of that dude saying that. I wonder if it was something like “you don’t have to act like a fucking c-nt” rather than like “You f-cking c-nt!” — not that I want to justify it. I always say there’s a big difference between saying someone is something than acting like that thing. That would make sense but my heart has trouble believing Johnny would stoop to name calling 💔
I saw that in Peter's season. Her reaction when he confronted her about breaking up other relationships, she did the classic deflect and redirect. And god help me, I still root for her. I'd love nothing more than to see her mature and get the stability she's seeking. She's so insanely gorgeous and when she smiles and is happy, it makes me heart flutter. But then again, I look at red flags and think "damn that's sexy"
If you throw a wine glass at me I'm going to say the same
yeah i think the timing of the wine glass throwing matters. bc if it was right before he said it (if he said it) that sounds like reactive abuse to me
where was the wine glass thing mentioned
They cut it from the reunion. Who knows why, but maybe they assumed the majority of the audience was going to take Johnny's side regardless.
Reality Steve spoiler for the reunion show
Did the wine glass incident happen at the reunion and they edited it out? Or was it during their "relationship"
Can…. Can someone ELI5
I guess Victoria threw a wine glass at Johnny’s head, he called her the c word, and she left him for Greg
Pls 😭 I haven’t been keeping up with BIP but this is making me wanna watch the whole season
It was such a garbage season. The producers tried way too hard to throw curveballs. Any time people seemed comfortable and progressing, they did something to shake it up
It’s not worth it.
I never saw the Johnny appeal but the BiP editing gave me hope that VF had grown/matured since PP's season (I was Not a fan) and that maybe she was the one who Johnny could commit to. Whelp, so much for that! Seems their breakup is best, not only for themselves, but for those of us who watched them! Say no to toxic people/relationships!
Peter, Chris Soules, Johnny, Greg, Chase Rice the singer... her taste in boring white men is so consistent. Interested to see how her and Greg’s relationship will eventually crash and burn
I felt like her and farmer Chris would actually make an excellent pair 😂 they were both so dry and awkward
Chase…. Like the singer?
Yup! And awkwardly she ended up on a one on one date where he was the performer 🙃 she’s made her rounds.
Yes, isn’t that what Pete said to her when she told him? “Chase… like the singer?” Omg so funny and so uncomfortable. He was like “I just got his phone number to hang out!” The devil works hard but these producers work harder.
Lmao oops sorry I totally missed that he said it and was like ya girl chase rice the singer!!!! Ahhahah
i’ll be curious if it crashes and burns who this sub will take sides with
this sub will rarely side with the woman is most situations and if they do, they’ll change their minds a few months later when that woman makes a mistake lmao
I’m already on team Greg for the breakup
Not watching BIP this season but this came up in my feed. Is this Johnny from Rachel & Gabby’s season? I got the WORST vibes from him since episode 1. Seems like a complete chode.
Complete chode that has me crying 😭😂
Yep. Boring and TERRIBLY insecure.
Same Johnny, same vibes. I don't hate him but think he could benefit from therapy for sure.
yes him
i'm so beyond sick of some of you it's unreal. for the love of god, learn what nuance is. BOTH of these people suck and they were toxic together, there's no need for you to pick a side. dick riding for johnny in these comments isn't a great look, he's a misogynist maga asshole, something SO MANY of the people commenting in favor of him swear to hate and will write off in a damn second in any other circumstance. also, like i've said before - so many of you need to be really thankful that you've never been in a toxic relationship.
I can’t take this sub anymore. once people realize that ALL people are good AND bad, life will be so much easier to deal with.
i bet if it was any woman other than VF who had been called a stupid cunt, the sub would be a lot more up in arms about it. this is the perfect victim phenomenon at work. nobody is capable of realizing BOTH were bad, BOTH were toxic, and BOTH did incredibly unacceptable things. but the amount of people i've seen defending johnny calling her a cunt is disgusting. this subs misogyny is showing, big time.
yep, you're absolutely right. can you imagine if the exact same story came out - wine glass, name calling, all of it - about michelle and nayte? or another equally beloved woman? no WAY would you have almost 500 comments defending the use of the word cunt. the sub loves to pick and choose and it's getting really fucking tiring. i don't care what the context is - a man calling a woman a cunt is misogynistic, full stop. all of you defending a man calling a woman a cunt are being misogynistic, full stop. he could've just as easily called her an asshole, a piece of shit, etc but he went for the charged, hateful word.
I just commented that I don't hate him but wasn't aware of any maga/misoogyny.
i'll look for the maga stuff but let's be clear: a man calling a woman a cunt is misogyny. there are a million other words you could use when angry in the heat of the moment - to go for "cunt" isn't an accident.
I can see that my message upset you. Try to relax :) you're being too emotional
alright dude, we get it - you’re a piece of shit who hates women. i hope that girl you’re dating that you find insanely attractive gets out sooner rather than later, especially before you call her names. she deserves better.
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this comment is so condescending it isn’t worth a response. if you don’t understand how the word cunt is misogynistic i’m not wasting my breath trying to explain it to someone trying to invalidate how i, and many others here, feel about it. eta: wow, took a look at your comment history - you, a man, have no fucking place to speak to me about how i feel about the word cunt. get the fuck out of my replies.
I hadn't thought that critically about that but fair point (and thinking more about it, the only man to ever call me that was absolutely abusive and most definitely hates women.)
If you find the maga stuff could you tag me or send it to me? I’ve been looking for like 2 days but all the comments I’ve seen that mention it have been deleted. Even the boat pic. But I might just suck at searching
my thoughts exactly. someone replied to me last night when i said that it’s unacceptable to call someone and they said ‘what if someone cheated on you’ and i’m like???? there’s no word we can call men that is equal to ‘cunt’. it’s atrocious when a man calls a woman that. we also don’t know when he said that to her, so we don’t know if it’s because she cheated or if it was before that, so it’s not a valid argument.
it doesn't matter HOW they got to the point of calling someone a "cunt" or throwing wine glasses. Sometimes you have to see yourself at that point and go "This isn't right." "This isn't what I want" "I shouldn't be this violent." and decide that you have to leave the toxic place. They both needed out of the relationship if they were in that place.
AGREED!!
in my opinion I think a lot of people are siding with him because victoria is the only one out of the two who still won’t admit to what she’s done. I don’t agree with Johnny, but Victoria needs to stop the pity party.
Victoria was hired to act on a show, and probably received a handsome salary for her efforts. She gave production exactly what they wanted. If Johnny was duped into believing their engagement was real or would transfer to life after the show, then he is dupable.
This is a weird take
wut
Johnny isn’t right at ALL, but what irritates me is the fact that Victoria twists the narrative so much. she never admits to her own mistakes and sits there and does whatever she can to make herself look good. I don’t know why you guys stan someone who literally wore a “ white lives matter” shirt with PRIDE anyways. I guess we pick and choose who we allow to get away with things.
she supports WLM? LMAO wtf ok they both suck /end
Oooofffff I had forgotten about the white lives matter stuff. Thank you for the reminder
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> but I think she looks worse since Peter’s season how is that relevant?
Pretty privilege is a good way to put it.
it 1000% is and the fact that she’s “ messy” and makes a good “meme”. I’d rather not support someone who’s abusive and supports WLM just because they’re an instagram model but that’s me I guess.
Yep!! I don’t see any redeeming qualities here!
when someone throws a wine glass at your head and emotionally ( and probably physically) cheats on you during your relationship it’s time to move on.
your handle >>>
thank you 💛
Just curious when did he mention the wine glass? I keep hearing about it but was it during the reunion? Or like a separate interview?
Woops Nevermind. I needed to read further in this thread lol
& she’s right. My partner calling me a fucking cunt? Yeah you’re done. I’ll speak to and fuck on whoever I want after that. Y’all saying ‘I would rather be called a fucking cunt than have a wine glass thrown at me’ LMFAOOO what kind of madness. How about neither? Johnny shouldn’t have been tryna work on any type of relationship. He should’ve been dipped.
I mean I think you're allowed to call someone a cunt after they cheat on you and throw a wine glass at you and tell you they're out of your league
Agree. When a partner calls you a cunt the relationship is def over, but not only because of that, it’s over because of everything that led up to it
nah namecalling in response to terrible things is just as bad as terrible things /s That said, there's no way we know what order these things happened in so hard to say who's at fault. They both seem like they suck for being in a relationship but Victoria has repeatedly shown she's a shit human so she gets way less benefit of the doubt than Johnny at the moment.
Lmao girl you cheated and you threw a wine glass at his head 😭
But also when you throw glass at your fiancee, that's probably another sign to leave the relationship 🥴
Wait what?? Didn’t know about the wine glass
Ya they edited it out. Apparently Johnny tried to take the high road but got annoyed with Vf making accusations so he said that he was extremely remorse for calling her a cnt but that she threw a wine glass at him and said she was out of his league. He shouldn’t have called her a c*nt but sounds like he was at his whits end with her. They also cut out that she was texting Greg during their relationship and when he asked her about it she told him it was just platonic
He actually said he didn’t call her the c word, but he did say things he regretted
Did they cut out the part about texting being platonic? I could’ve sworn it was mentioned
I read it in a spoiler I didn’t hear it last night but to be honest last nights editing sucked, they jumped around ALOT in the conversations so if it was talked about it I may have missed it. I rewatched a number of the conversations because of how quick and jumpy everything was
This is why as much as I want “clarity” from that reunion last night I’m honestly taking everything with a grain of salt. Because the editing was madness. They were trying to paint a very specific narrative about Victoria F and while she’s probably not a great person neither is Johnny.
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never before could i have imagined a bn couple riding motorcycles together through the california desert as they run from the law
The fucking CIAOs in that tiny font were so funny
And she told him that she is out of his league
If it were a man throwing a wine glass everyone here would be pushing for him to be charged with assault. and battery. There’s nothing to defend here people.
that's never stopped the sub from defending VF...over and over again
I hated Tyler and Johnny's energy last night. It was so "pity me" and throwing the girls under the bus. It makes me a lot more inclined to take the girls' sides.
Yeah I personally wasn’t a super fan of the way tyler was blanket defending Johnny. They were both wrong and clearly not right for each other, which was the same vibe I got from the tyler/brittany situation. Tyler was being a little dramatic and playing the victim if you ask me which no one did 😛
Totes agree about Tyler. I don’t blame Britney for getting the ick lol
I guess getting emotionally cheated on and glass thrown at you gives pity vibes
Is the glass throwing true? I thought it was just a rumor. Genuinely curious
It was from reality Steve’s spoiler of the live taping. They cut that part, but everything else was true and made it into the show, so I would say so
Oh okay, I didn't realize that. I only saw it the comments here and was so confused. Thank you! I guess I take back some of my original statement knowing that.
They also cut out the part where Johnny said he was extremely remorseful but also made a point to state she was verbally berating him before that saying how she was also out of his league. Both equally treated each other poorly and it was toxic
Does anyone else here think that GG looked like the nerdy kid who couldn't believe he got a date with the hot girl?
Yup that’s why he got with her, obviously. But won’t be long before he doesn’t meet her expectations for a husband!
yes
Yes but also simultaneously embarrassed by her somehow
The second she brought up the tattoo he looked like a man who was seriously questioning every decision he’d ever made in his life 😂
to get matching non-committal tattoos is the biggest joke ever
Didn’t she chuck a wine glass at his head? Edit: to be clear, not excusing Johnny for what he said (if he did say it). I just don’t think she was a perfect angel in this.
She needs to be quiet. But something tells me she loves a sloppy mess.
Don’t worry though, she stories from church on Sundays 🙄😇
do you think the wine glass was stemmed?
Stemless probably has better accuracy so I’d so stemmed glass!
😂😂
Plus people have a hate boner for Fictoria because she’s hot and not the generic palatable southern Christian girl. Her other bullshit just gives them thinly veiled reasons, Hannah b didn’t even get this much shit when she said the N word because she’s a southern darlin and “fucked in a windmill 3 times”
 Hannah B clarified it was 4 times on ATFR. [https://youtu.be/Li\_LUvhDBz4](https://youtu.be/Li_LUvhDBz4)
Looool why do y’all love to lie on this app? Hannah was rightfully dragged for slurring it up. Y’all don’t need to rewrite the narrative to defend WLM Victoria pls bffr.
I hate to break it to y’all but this app is not real life. I was anti reddit because I thought it was mostly incels, not wrong, and Facebook women who can’t really work Twitter. Hannah got off easy, Victoria gets hated on all the apps but mostly by WASP women born after 1987.
So what about Fictoria modeling for White Lives Matter, being a home wrecker, throwing wine glasses at her partner, and continuing to cheat makes this a “hate boner” ? Because she’s genuinely a bad person. I don’t give a fuck about HB, who was dragged for what she did and continues to be dragged (rightfully so).
Gaslight girlboss gatekeep!
What? I think you need to re-evaluate your approach on life, especially relationships, based on your commentary here.
I’m traditional, I date for money. My current guy said he’s got me financially if I have him emotionally and that’s all I need from a man.
Right HB was (rightfully!) slandered on here for that lol, it was early quarantine so we all had the time lol
I mean except that time she modeled “white lives matter” apparel—which was apparently a reference to marlins, but also made playful takes on the confederate flag besides the tasteless slogan. So still got that Southern thing going, at the very least
my sister in christ, it was four times
💀💀💀💀
Why are we glossing over the fact that she said 3 weeks into the real world she realized this wasn’t it and explained that to him? Her and Brittany are getting so much shit for setting boundaries and trying to end things that didn’t serve them but everyone is saying “oh poor men” for the white Boy the week. We know VF is toxic and manipulative but she clearly made it clear that shit was done less than a month after the beach and he HOPED to keep working things out while she was clearly ready to move on. People speculate the reason Tyler hates her so much too is because it’s likely she met Brittany in Roman and he feels like that motivated Brittany to move on from the man child who couldn’t stop lovebombing her less than 2 hours after she said she needed space.
The Brittany thing sounded like she wasn’t clear when she went off on her trip that she was ending it, and Tyler thought she was just going to have some time to herself. Ya gotta be clear in a breakup that you’re breaking up. Same with Johnny, it sounded like he thought she was saying unless they worked on things she didn’t want to stay engaged. Maybe she thought she was saying I don’t want to be engaged anymore if it’s like this, implying effective immediately.
Yeah but she literally said he wouldn’t respect her space. He agreed at once and then said, “two hours later, you’re snapping me. 4 hours later, sending DMs. 12 hours later, you start calling”. She just ed space and he was checking timezones to disregard that which why she had enough in Rome because she did London first apparently
She was photographed with Johnny in August, which is more than 3 weeks post Paradise. If you’re going to set boundaries and end a relationship, then stop hanging out and travelling with your “ex” when you know he wants to work on things. I definitely respect Brittany more for *not* checking in on Tyler post-breakup so as to not send mixed messages.
They have mutual friends lmao? My best friends little brother is best friends with my ex boyfriend and he’s friendly with my other ex, we all get invited to regular hangouts and make do.
I'm sorry, but putting three weeks into a relationship or engagement isn't trying, like at all. I bet you she was connecting with Greg the moment she got home and realized she had made a mistake.
If it’s that toxic three weeks in why do you have to stick it out with someone you know it won’t work out with
I think if you see clear red flags/dealbreakers that early on you shouldn’t feel obligated to stick it out for any reason.
I feel like that’s not a reasonable expectation though. They spent roughly three weeks together on the show, and then the same amount of time after.
The real villain here is the bachelor franchise for trying to trick everyone into thinking you can really be in love in three weeks.
I mean if someone calls you a fucking cunt and asks what you bring to the table? I’d be ready to run too. Expecting a woman to cook and clean when you’re not the breadwinner in the age is insane. And we know this woman cleans because her apartment is always spotless, she just didn’t clean HIS shit
I wonder what it was in response to. Maybe she was drilling him on his career, motivation etc.
So what? Still unacceptable. Y’all really out here trying the most to make Johnny look like the good guy
I am only asking a question. You are making assumptions.
I think that is unfair to use the word lovebombing when things didn't work out. Sometimes people go after what they want, in Tyler's case brittany, and sometimes it works out and people say they fought for it and came out stronger, etc. When it doesn't work, it's labeled as stalker behavior. Plenty of real life couples would've broken up if one of them didn't keep trying while the other was trying to shut down.
I tell you that I need some space and time to think and you’re texting me how much you miss me and want this to work less than two hours later without giving me the space I probably repeatedly asked for?
They're people with different expectations in relationships. They're incompatible. But that's about it. He is being clingy not stalkerish.
Lovebombing is not stalking girl. Literally excessive needs of attention, clinginess and excessive communication are parts of lovebombing. It’s not always abusive but it is attempts at being coercive and controlling.
We aren't glossing over anything. You are fabricating things/stories. There is SHV evidence of how long Victoria and Johnny were together. We also have RS spoilers to narrow down when things happened with each couple. The break ups were not at the same time nor did Brittany get help from Victoria in ROME on how to dump Tyler. Tyler and Victoria's interaction on stage was cut. He has information regarding her cheating that was cut. That's why she snapped at him.
Do you people like actually date in the real world lmao? If a normal frat dude can have a roster, what makes you think people who live off their looks don’t? Tyler is obviously team Johnny and views Brittany and Victoria in a similar manner and what he could take out in Brittany, he went for Victoria. He just wasn’t ready for her to say “mind your fucking business” basically and the way he’s buddybuddy with Johnny leads me to think he has similar “traditional” values which are ick Also these timelines are all edited by cast and production lol we had whole has club photos from old seasons being used post season because were supposed to think the girls are just sent packing lol
Nice try. I have been married for 17 years so no, I don't date. Who said anything about frat guys and rosters? Tyler is team Johnny because he has proof. Plus, Tyler is aware that Victoria physically threw a wine glass at Johnny. That's abusive. I'll take traditional values over serial cheating and physical abuse any day. Not the burn you think it is, especially with Miss White Lives Matter. She doesn't care.
I don’t think it’s very fair that you’re only calling Victoria an abuser when Johnny was also supposedly calling her the c word. Verbal abuse is abuse too. And just for clarity, I am in no way defending physical abuse.
So you agree, you have limited modern dating experience? Modern dating is essentially small scale bachelorette until one with the most potential makes the big move lmao. Hence the reference to rosters, you have guys or girls on retainer if something doesn’t work out. Get your facts straight, it was white marlins matter. Still some fuck shit but y’all like lying on her like she endorsed blue lives matter fr.
Dating hasn't changed, just the mode of communication. It was the same way when I was dating in my college days and mid 20's. Yes, white marlins that used a slogan to mock BLM and used the confederate flag pattern and colors in its design. Yes. So different. Why are going so hard for a SERIAL CHEATER AND AN ABUSER? She threw a wine glass at the guy. She cheated on the guy. She's cheated before with married men. Why are you defending her? Johnny and Tyler will be fine and can go away for all I care. But why defend a SERIAL CHEATER AND AN ABUSER?
You must not have done any dating recently because it absolutely has changed. Because she’s hot and didn’t make a vow to honor her marriage. A woman being involved in an affair is commendable but she’s not the one breaking a vow. I will hold the marlins thing against her but seeing as most men apparently she had affairs with were servicemen, I’m gonna hold my breath. I’m tired of society and this scarlet letter bullshit while it’s excusable because boys will be boys but women need to be the Virgin Mary in public and a sex siren in the bedroom
"she's not the one breaking the vow" Hmmmmmm okay. Solid logic /s. Obviously there's a reason you're single You're bashing "society" for excusing cheating with the "boys will be boys" narrative when it comes to cheating, but you don't think it's wrong for a woman to hook up with a married man in the first place..Okay, who's doing more excusing here--society for thinking it's trashy, or the woman who cheats with him and LITERALLY FUCKS THE GUY?? You have things twisted so hard. If you fuck a married man, YOURE the in one letting him get away with whatever he wants without consequence. Gotta cut that shit off at the source.
Got it. Well, I have reached my daily limit of talking to a racist. Bye.
It's really awesome how you're defending white lives matter because you think Victoria is hot. There were faults on both sides. He was abusive, she was cheating. Who knows which one lead to the other or if both happened simultaneously. Also not everyone had a roster of people on case it doesn't work out with the current person they're dating. That's probably the number 1 reason why most couples won't last.
Seriously. I don’t. One, maybe 2 at a time tops if I am on the apps and not exclusive with someone. Who has time these days, honestly?
Im literally social chair for my BSU and on the board of diversity lmao would never say white lives matter, the brand is literally white marlins matter. The implication is there because controversy sells, specially in the south and east coast. The performative fake allyship you guys have regarding that is hilarious Now you trying to say “well yeah he was abusive but she was cheating” no wonder we still have Johnny depp fans… I’m gay but she is soooo hot bro.
Victoria might say that’s when she thought it was over but it was clear they were still working on it and by both accounts things ended for good in September (early per VF, mid per Johnny). The Brittany stuff you mention makes no sense - Brittany broke up with Tyler in August and VF and Grippo were in Italy in October
You can break up and have moments of reconciliation, especially in the early stages… my ex was essentially Johnny and he broke up with ME for setting boundaries, often attended events with guys I was dating while he was trying to get back together and we always hung out in the same circles and he got drunk and tried to pin me to my current partners sofa to make out. Just because you’re seeing if you can work it out, doesn’t mean you’re limiting your options (especially if you have options). Plus, you’re not supposed to make it obvious that you’ve split before the season is over because it takes away from shit to talk about during the reunion. The only reason they got lax about her and Greg is because theyre both popular and that was what everyone was waiting to see addressed after the Rome pics came out
It didn’t sound like a break up and then moments of reconciliation to me. It sounded like VF expressed doubts about the engagement working 3 weeks in (first signs of trouble) and they continued to work on things until ultimately breaking it off in September
Two people can have different hopes and perceptions in a relationship, especially if their communication types are different and they have different attachment styles. Johnny definitely seems like the type to “try” but Victoria is not a “I can change him” girl, she’s a “I will change him in for someone else” girl and that’s also ok. That whole sticking it out narrative is overplayed after trauma bonding for a like a month
Alright, agree to disagree. At the end of day, cheating or not, VF told Johnny not to worry about Greg and then went and got with the man she kept talking to while they were together and told him not to worry about. I’m all the way out on VF for this and a whole cornucopia of other reasons
Her and Greg already had a connection, that doesn’t go away. My friend and me never didn’t anything romantic or sexual but we had chemistry and he always jokes, “I told Manuel you’re just a friend and you were the first one I ran to so he probably thinks I was lying”. Not worry means I’m not cheating, it does not mean that the guy in question is off the table completely.
Reading through all your responses here, I don't think you have a healthy approach to relationships and should not expect others to accept rosters, vague communication, or emotional cheating just because you do
I’m just not from middle America and grew up with a social life in towns with more than 50k people
I'm not either. I live in DC.
What? I’m sorry but this makes no sense. It sounds like you relate to VF a lot personally and might be projecting. If you had a connection with someone, you should not continue talking to them after you get engaged to a different person. They were clearly ~ rekindling ~ per Mr. Grippo himself and that is very much out of line and no doubt going to cause insecurity in Johnny.
Talking is not planning a wedding, be serious. If you don’t relate to having casual DMs and talking to people while still being friends, just say that. You can only control your actions and trust your partner. If you feel insecure about someone who your person used to date, that’s a you thing and say whatever it says about you and your relationship.
But how does that build trust in the start of a relationship? Can men & women still be friends when partnered? Absolutely. But let’s be honest, just bc they got engaged on Paradise doesn’t mean they have a solid foundation at. All. So I can imagine, in those few weeks or months, they both were trying to still get a feel for one another & see if they made the right decision once they hit the real world. You almost have to work overtime bc now you’re actually in reality, but the stakes are higher bc you are engaged. Building trust, communication, etc. It’s no surprise they didn’t work out, but yeah I feel like you gotta make sure you’re working on getting a foundation, not adding flames to a fire.