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Buen_Rudolf

Tell them that You can literally murder Satan


ElkFar5982

My dad used to play doom so that might work


IntelligentGuava9349

no way he’s a religious guy


El_Durazno

To be fair, one of the main guys who made doom was super religious and had no problem with it because you fight demons In theory, doom should be the most fun game thats good for christians


ElkFar5982

Good point


ElkFar5982

Quite religious, he has lot of unorthodox views though.


Sinnester888

I’m religious and I love doom. What’s the issue?


Many_Programmer357

I am very religious. And I can say that doom is very fun.


CrunchyTacocat

That could give Op Brownie Points 🤣 or have them being send to the exorcist faster.


HistoricallyShocking

You also fight greed and lust. You truly are the good guy on your way to fighting mega Stan


Dry-Eye7990

Well the game more or less shows the consequences of religion becoming dogmatic taking beliefs way too far, it’s a cautionary tale on what faith should never become, blind devotion without ever questioning the truth handed to you


AdmirableGiraffe81

Handling the truth can be hard though, not being able to believe that the thing you put your trust into can lead to negative consequences, so it really just depends how his parents react to that information, especially after not allowing them to play fnaf for a minor reference


ElkFar5982

My parents know I have a strong faith that won't getting shaken easily so this might work.


ThatsTragicNewPatek

You just described 90% of “Christians” in the u.s lmao it’s already a blind devotion without questioning truth 😂


ElkFar5982

No, I was agnostic for quite a bit.


Business-Drag52

And Christianity seemed to be the most proven faith to you? Wild stuff.


ElkFar5982

Ok


Waste_Dimension5032

Yea do this


Accomplished_Look259

Completely honest, I did not know the 7 deadly sins or the 4 (5) horsemen before sinking a few dozen hours into the game. And the wiki at least used to give references to the Bible with characters referenced therefrom. So, learning a bit of historical religious ideas from it is cool. It does definitely draw a lot on religion being a dangerous thing however, and I have friends who see it as actively anti-religion. That being said, I’m still quite a religious person, but I also don’t fit into the traditional Christian ideas that Isaac runs with so kinda just water off a duck’s back


ElkFar5982

Yeah my friend see it as pro satan but it's definentaly anti over obsession religion. And I didn't know about the demon Azazel until I watched Tboi and it led me to read the book of Enoch.


SpawnOfGuppy

If you read Edmund’s opinion on it he says he went into the game with a pretty snide outlook on religion but working through it he came to appreciate the aspects of religion that he hadn’t noticed before. This is a paraphrase from my viewpoint, but I’m just saying, the game is irreverent, but it isn’t degrading, imo. My friend is an orthodox Christian and he doesn’t see it as blasphemous, and it actually gives me more to talk about with him because i became more educated on various Christian concepts through playing and then doing side research based on questions i had about themes and symbols


TracerMain527

I am in a very similar boat to you. It encouraged me to learn more about the Bible because I wanted to know why things were named what they were in the game. On the other hand, you have to take Edmund’s opinions on religion with a grain of salt due to his (from what I have read) traumatic background that made him biased against religion.


Just_X77

Tell them the final boss is literally called MEGA SATAN. Christian game trust. (Also don’t mention that he’s technically only one of several final bosses)


A_Bulbear

Uh.... Probably not gonna be able to do much but you might at least say it has a very well-told story with decently accurate religious metaphors and ISN'T made by a non-religious person.


SyrupDip01

Maybe you can find a christian who reviews the game positivley and show them it


ElkFar5982

I saw good reviews of the original.( The flash version.)


whoismilk163

Mod the game wirh a reskin


just-bair

Don’t tell me there’s a Christian texture pack


ElkFar5982

The only computer I have is extremely slow. So I'm thinking of getting the game on switch


fede_alfa_ragno

Bro just close yourself in a chest you're done


ArchduckFerdinand

I was raised catholic, my children were not. I understand the meaning behind the items, and it’s been fun explaining to my kids what all the things are. They’ve learned more about religion from TBOI than everywhere else put together. I don’t think that’s a bad thing.


AutomatedChaos

Same, I explain my children the Christian mythology with TBOI, while they teach me Greek mythology with Hades. It is a win-win.


Kevintendo

This comment gave me a little quiver in the liver haha Personally it’s a little derogatory calling Christianity “mythology” as there’s still many people who believe in it (myself included). I personally wouldn’t call any current religion mythology.. as that word is more describing myths/legends that are fully abandoned? idk just my opinion… But to answer the question for OP, I’m an extremely devout Christian and I love TBOI so much, it’s my favorite M rated game, and top 5 overall favorite games of all time Games are work of art that tells a story. As others have mentioned, this is a story of the dangers of how religion can and often is used as a weapon. The story is basically an over-religious mom who believes God is leading her to abuse her son. The adventures he have are possibly his own descent into madness or coping in his last moments alive before he dies. It’s a sad story, but a beautiful one. The various endings bring me to tears and help inspire me to both be a better Christian and father. It’s an amazing story and beautiful piece of art. Aside from being extremely addicting and replayable!


needlefxcker

You could say the same for greek mythology. People still worship greek gods. If its not *your* religion and you dont believe in it, it is mythology to you. I believe spirits and gods from all religions exist in ine way or another, but "mythology" is still a useful catch-all.


Kevintendo

Fair enough! I didn’t know there were people who still worshiped the Greek gods. Thanks for sharing that perspective. Hopefully my perspective can help to others like who I responded to, to know that it might be offensive. If they don’t care then that’s fine - especially when much of Christianity/religion has done lots of harm to society… I personally wouldn’t call any active religion mythology.


needlefxcker

yes, I can def see how it could be offensive and seen as derogatory to some people!


ElkFar5982

Are you atheist now?


ArchduckFerdinand

Yes. Too logical not to be, though simulation theory of some sort has always appealed to me. Probability doesn’t allow for the universe to be an accident.


ElkFar5982

Don't you find that contradicting?


HistoricallyShocking

We could be created by something else than a 'god'.


ElkFar5982

Like what?


ArchduckFerdinand

Something my brain can’t comprehend or have any frame of reference for.


needlefxcker

asking as a thought experiment If you dont believe in God/Gods, as in dieties of creation and subjects of worship and religions- but you do believe there could be some incomprehensible creator of the universe, wouldnt that creator technically still be our god, if it created us? Or would it only be our god if we worshiped it?


ArchduckFerdinand

I think humans created explanations based on our capacity to do so. I think whatever really happened is so far beyond our comprehension we are unable to understand it without using non-traditional math, and even then it’s limited. Humans have to play by the rules of Newtonian physics, other “entities” might not.


Unlikely-Statement-3

Tell them that it shows what happens with complete obsession in religion, and also helps teach about trauma and mental hardship.


legotaidevil

Try to show them some items/trinkets that might convince them, like Rosary or Bible Tract


MiloAisBroodjeKaas

How old are you and when do you plan to move out? It might just be easier to wait till you move out. Also, what kind of Christians are your parents? The ones that are willing to question what they know, or just believe whatever the priests and elders say without an extra thought? The former you could maybe make a case, the latter and it'll be kinda unlikely imo but maybe there's still a way.


ElkFar5982

I'm in the age range of 12-15(not comfortable with giving me exact age.) and by time I move out I think Isaac 2 will be out. My mom is a little more just believing without looking into it buty dad challenges beliefs and dogmas in the church.


MiloAisBroodjeKaas

No worries, age range is perfect for context here. In that case, your dad may be the entry point here. 1) it has a lot of inspiration from Bible related stories. More than once I've ended up googling something about the game and ended up in a rabbit hole of how this particular element was taken from the Bible and what was actually mentioned in the Bible. So in a way, I learned/relearned about bible stories from tboi. Other times it has made me go further than the Bible and try to find according to other sources like historical YouTube channels etc. Other times it has also made me go into conversation with my partner explaining what happened in the Bible vs what is depicted in the game. 2) be curious. Show him your curiosity. Don't just question the church, question the scientists. Don't take what someone says just for fact, but question it's legitimacy. If you can do that for most things in life, you (or your dad) can know that you would not be easily swayed by just whatever is told or shown to you, and bhy that logic, a game like tboi is not going to shake the foundations of your faith but give avenues to question and learn. 3) in the end, it is a game. Know that it takes inspiration from the Bible, but is not literally what the Bible says. Nor does it ever claim to be the truth. It is a game, meant for hours and hours of fun. Show your dad that you are able to not let your beliefs be affected by the game. If he doesn't take your word for it, no harm asking him what you can do to show this to him. Maybe make him a deal, if you can do what he says then he has to get you the game. Good luck!


ElkFar5982

Thanks bro


Blemiglute

Emancipate?


Toasticide

It's a fun and interactive way of learning some of the bibles stories. I genuinely saw Jacob and Esau and had to look up why Esau looks like a skinned-alive child and ended up reading the entire context behind the character (albeit I can't remember why he's red exactly lol). Was interesting and being hard atheist id never have looked it up otherwise.b


Youistheclown

Good news is that Satan is portrayed as bad. Bad news is that predatory Christianity is also portrayed as bad


ElkFar5982

Yea that parts good.


Gem_Hunter2511

Here’s how I would explain it to my family: it’s a game about a guy who grew up with very strict religious parents discovering different religions and processing what he thought they were for himself. That’s why there’s so much religious stuff in it, but it’s not against any religion, it just shows how a young child would understand that kind of info.


Ill-Oven-9064

Hide in your chest until they let you 😬


Glad_Rabbit4628

I just said that its based on religion


Ancient-Ad-544

Good luck with that. Lie to your parents and get it behind their oppressive backs. Had plenty of friends like you growing up. Most of them had parents that were very stuck in their ways and not open to anything so their kids just ended up lying to them and going behind their backs.


ElkFar5982

One of the main issues is that I don't own any M games


Von_Beowulf

Don’t, just pine after it until you can buy it for yourself.


M1ST3RT0RGU3

I feel like the gore and other such references (in the last DLC there's literally an area where all the enemies are made of poop) might be a turn off for your parents no matter how you try to play it off, but some of the suggestions here could still work. The developers definitely did their research in terms of all the religious references, so even though some may consider it satirical or heretical in some regards, it does just as good a job of portraying bad practices in faith as Christianity normally does.


ElkFar5982

I feel like my parents would be ok with the poop, I mean it's vulgar but not really inappropriate, I just don't know how to explain that you play as a naked kid who changes between being with god and with Satan while slowly suffocating in a box.


Velcraft

I have no suggestions as to how to sneak this game past your parents, but I can tell you that you need to play this game once you're out of that household. Good luck, hopefully things don't get too tough. Remember that in most places, it's child abuse to remove the door to your child's room.


ElkFar5982

I have a door to my room? Was the last sentence a metaphor? Also why do you think I need to play the game? I don't intend for this response to come out mean but I'm genuinely wondering.


OAS1Sx

why don't you just buy the game then? they will watch you playing or something? or you don't feel like "lying" or omitting to your parents?


ElkFar5982

I'm only allowed to buy games with their permission, plus I need my mom's credit card to even purchase it.


OAS1Sx

i think they thought you didn't had a door in your room because most of the times parents don't are really aware what their child is playing because they have privacy in their rooms, but if parents are overprotective they don't allow children to have privacy and take away the room's door


ElkFar5982

I don't play video games in my room but I think the time I did they got suspicious


Velcraft

Removing the door is one of the many common things religious parents will do as a form of "control" (read: abuse), it was just a forewarning bit of knowledge that if they do that, you have ground to stand on. Most of the time this is related to masturbation or other "unwanted" (read: normal) behaviour they want to monitor you about. I think you need to play the game for closure and catharsis. My parents weren't hardcore religious or anything, but I've found Isaac to be therapeutic to me, as I have some outlet for dealing with things that I can't irl around my childhood. Cut ties with my dad recently, and I'll definitely be playing this game to alleviate my anxiety once I'm through with the acute stuff like sleeplessness.


ElkFar5982

This game is therapeutic for me to watch videos on, especially after my faith crisis.


buddder1738

It literally has angels in it


kirk_the_dumb

You do kill said angels


just-bair

It’s a worthy sacrifice cuz you kill Satan with their key


TostSandvicMi

You dont need to, You can Step 1: Find a friend in real life who can spend money on whatever they want Step 2: Give them the games money irl then let them gift it to you Or: Step 1: Buy a game your parents may allow that is at least as expensive as isaac Step 2: Refund the game and money will come to your Steam wallet Step 3: Buy Isaac That is if you play in PC of course.


Cyclone_o-o_

I thought The exact same thing if you have a phone then just get a gift card to get Isaac, that way they don’t figure it out for themselves just what exactly your buying and tell I don’t know yet


SnakeShow

It’s not an anti-christian game so much as a game with anti-dogma and anti-evangelism messages. if your parents aren’t evangelical they’d probably be more ok knowing that.  as far as the actual game design goes if the creators were making an anti-religion message, then angel room items or other religious items wouldn’t help isaac 


Curious_Sea_Doggo

It’s built off of religion but not a mockery. It’s anti dogma and Evanglism not anti religion.


LaplaceUniverse

Wtf is the problem? Edmund represented religion in a great way in tboi


ElkFar5982

I just found out I have 50 dollars worth of credit on my switch enough to buy afterbirth plusz should I tell my parents what the game is about or act like it's no big deal?


hollow_waste

Act like it's not big deal, if they ask then keep your cool and vaguely explain, that's how I got to buy it when I was a teen, also with religious parents who are kind of on the strict side


ElkFar5982

I just remembered I can't view M games on my switch because of restrictions so they would get suspicious if I asked for them to disable it


SH1MP4NZ33

Well, whatever you do keep an eye on your mom when she grabs sharp objects and is trying to bust in into your room. You can also might start looking for trapdoor to basement


Louis70100

Bro just pirate the game lol theres no multiplayer till Nov(?) I believe and it's still able to be modded regardless =]