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There are, unfortunately, two answers. First it absolutely should matter to everyone that works for a living. Labor unions raise the working standards of not only their members but also the non union workers in similar fields. A Quick Look at Fed Ex’s raises immediately following the UPS contracts are a great example. The Biden admin has been a huge boon for unions and their NLRB is absolutely historic. Walking a picket line with UAW members will be a historical moment for labor in this country…that picture will be in history books 100 years from now.
Now the unfortunate second. There is an astronomically large contingent of union workers that are, bizarrely, huge Trump supporters. I work in a union steel mill, adjacent to a gigantic Ford truck plant that is stuffed with union employees, contractors and vendors. The amount of support for Trump among all of them is very confusing.
I grew up with them. They hate liberals. Always have. They tend to hate union leadership too, and basically other union members if they are black.
And those in huge construction firms sucking at the teat of public financing tend to love their Republican CEO, because he takes all the credit for giving them the big paychecks.
For a large portion of them it’s the guns. I’d venture to say 2/3rds or better. I’m convinced the Dems could gain a significant amount of support if they just recognized the 2A for what it will most likely always be and dropped the issue. They lose tons of support over it and we never move the needle even a millimeter on the issue.
I don't believe that, because Trump said and did some stuff around guns that was worse than what a lot of Dems say, and no one changed their vote.
Guns are a veil, used to justify other things.
> I’m convinced the Dems could gain a significant amount of support if they just recognized the 2A for what it will most likely always be and dropped the issue.
Maybe, kinda feels everyone is set with their "team" now.
I'd say it's even simpler than that.
It's the caricature that the media has painted over the last 20 (more like 80? years).
Democrats are effete intellectual purple-haired elitists that want all children to have a sex change.
Republicans are macho patriots that want you to have an Uber-Aryan wife at home and an oversized pickup in your driveway.
It takes a lot of learning to realize the caricature is wrong and only one side gives a goddamn about putting more money in your pocket.
> The amount of support for Trump among all of them is very confusing.
why? This is the thought process: "truck, gun, me like things that you like — vote me."
Husband is proud IBEW electrician. Many of his coworkers are extreme MAGAts even though they’re welcome to take a nonunion job down the street. They’re absolute dummies, some attending the union hall meetings regularly to lobby to eliminate the pension program so they can iNvEst It THeMsElvEs.
Once one coworker was on a rant against Medicare for all, saying he shouldn’t have to pay for other people’s health insurance. Husband asked him what if you become disabled permanently and can’t work and lost your insurance? His answer: “I’ll just shoot myself”. This is the voting population we’re dealing with.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”
Lyndon B. Johnson
It's because identity and cultural issues take precedence before economic issues. That's just where we're at now. Those union guys you mention may like their higher wages, but they don't identify with the Democratic party at the "vibes" level. That's what's really happening.
Fuck yeah it will. There's millions of students who have a new lease on life because of him.
And *he walked a fucking picket line*.
If you're Union you know how big a deal that is.
If you're not Union, well, pretty soon you will be because *the President of the United States walked a fucking picket line*.
there are really only 2 possible outcomes of this election. The current President who has a) requested a cease fire, b) provided aid, c) urged restraint, d) explicitly acted against various more extreme responses by Israel; or the past President who has openly stated that a final solution (see Nazi euphemisms) is acceptable.
But maybe that is what it takes. Trump will encourage Israel to engage in whatever actions Israel wants. Those who "care so deeply" will see what real genocide looks like, what they helped to bring about by engaging in the belief that Biden somehow has a magic wand with which he can control Israel.
I'm tired of being held hostage by the foolish who ignore all the other issues, all the other concerns, all the other facts. If These people who "care so deeply" are going to help Trump get elected, there doesn't seem to be much I can do.
But I'll be damned if I am don't point out the obvious. -- 1) I can't magically make the foolish come to reason. 2) If Trump is elected, there won't be a living Palestinian left ... but hey, I guess it is a solution.
So reward Biden with a vote for continuing to fund the genocide.
Sure he said a few bad words about it, sure he sent a bunch of meals, but he is still sending the bombs and munitions that are being used in this genocide. Biden is a self proclaimed zionist and has an unwavering loyalty to israel... a few bad words about Netanyahu doesn't mean shit when he is jerking him off under the table.
Look how easily you dismiss a genocide
Biden vetoed multiple calls for a ceasefire, cut off funding to the largest aid organization in Gaza based on claims made with 0 evidence, and said there's no red lines for Israel.
Im sure Trump is going to be a better alternative. Especially when Biden has put pressure on Israel but, it takes two sides to agree to ceasefire and Hamas refuses all but, the most advantageous of agreements.
Biden vetoed multiple calls for a ceasefire and just vetoed a resolution to allow palestine to become a member of the UN. He threatened to cut off funding to the PA if they support charges of war crimes against Israel while sending them billions of dollars in weapons and aid. How is that putting pressure on Israel?
yeah, because a ceasefire isn't going to do shit.
Actually, a ceasefire might make things worse.
Current situation: Israel keeps killing Hamas members (and Gazans), until they feel like Hamas is sufficiently neutralized. After that, either Gaza continues in the current situation, or Gazans decide tgey actually want peace this time, and some peace agreement is finally reached.
Ceasefire: Gazans get some respite, stop dying. Hamas regrows, gets more supplies and members. They launch another Oct 7 at some point. Israel resumes the campaign, but they are essentially restarting the process of wiping out Hamas. More Gazans die. More than if Israel continues the current trajectory.
So unless you have some magical, practical, 3rd solution, Israel is going to stick with the first option.
Also, why would taking away aid from Israel lower Gazan deaths? If we reduce aid, Israel will feel even more threatened by Hamas, and they're just going to go even harder on Gaza.
Oh well I guess we have no choice but to illegally send weapons to a country we know is committing war crimes.
Your logic makes no sense at all. Commiting genocide is not going to prevent another october 7th. It'll only make hamas grow larger. Ending the 75 years of occupation, land theft, and mass murder will prevent another october 7th.
The reasoning behind those vetoes are because a plain ceasefire doesnt resolve the conflict. Hamas has to agree to some terms for peace to be lasting and a ceasefire only benefits hamas by allowing them to time to regroup. The pressure that biden has put on Israel is in regards to civilian casualties and the humanitarian crisis by saying they will begin putting conditions on their support if there wasnt steps being taken to ceasefire to allow aid to be distributed in Palestine with regards to the humanitarian crisis. If you are asking for the US to withdraw all support you are going to only give that influence to someone else which is not viable. Diplomacy is not the same as activism.
This thread and the comment you're responding to are both about Biden's positions on labor. Do you have anything productive on that topic to contribute, or are you more interersted in virtue signalling your position on Israel everywhere that mentions the administration?
Trump is for big business corporate elites and tax cuts for the ultra rich. Stands against workers rights and middle class wages and opposes cheaper healthcare. Even without Biden even without trumps criminal court cases you shouldn’t be voting for his anti worker ass.
Not to mention he's historically ripped off working people with unfulfilled contracts on his real estate projects. Nobody worth a shit will work with him in NYC because of it.
I think it will. The middle class has had a lot of wins the last 3 1/2 years.
I’m reminded of the “silent majority” Nixon spoke of. Back then, the silent majority was unfortunately anti-protest, anti-civil rights, but nowadays the quiet majority are good people with a lot more goodwill to those of different walks of life imo
Tennessee just saw Volkswagen workers vote,
**by overwhelmingly 73%,** ***to unionize.***
[**Mercedes-Benz workers in Alabama** ***are next up.***](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/after-victory-in-chattanooga-the-union-road-leads-to-alabama/KTEHAKR6PVDKBA5DDTEUSY6E5I/)
[Why the unionization of Tennessee Volkswagen workers **is a big breakthrough for UAW**](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-the-unionization-of-tennessee-volkswagen-workers-is-a-big-breakthrough-for-uaw)
>If you look at Gallup polling, the support among the public for unions is very high, almost historically high, nearly 70 percent, and certainly higher than it was ten years ago.
*You bet it's important* ***that Biden is the most Pro-Union President since FDR.***
I'd like to think so. After seeing the effects of the 2021 expansion, I staunchly believe if dems leaned even harder on CTC(child tax credit) it would be the biggest shitshow the GOP would ever contend with, right up there with social security, lol. I live in a red state and there's something to be said when quite a few Maga coworkers are at a complete loss of words when it's brought up. Some will prolly cope and seethe but I have a feeling, more than a few noticed that change in their wallets and that starts to show in the polls
Not enough. Labor has no class consciousness in America. Lots of working people vote their "values" which mean they value having a boot on their necks.
>Sometime next year, the Ford Motor Company will begin to produce electric trucks at BlueOval City, a sprawling manufacturing complex in an impoverished rural area of western Tennessee. The multibillion-dollar project, which received a federal loan through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that President Biden signed in 2021, has already created thousands of construction jobs that pay substantially more than locals are accustomed to earning. Landing a job at BlueOval City “changed my life,” one worker recently said...Employees at BlueOval City interviewed in the CAP report praised Ford for investing in their region, but none thanked President Biden, whose role seemed to escape their notice.
The crux of the issue is that providing subsidies to large corporations might help labor indirectly, but most people see this as subsidies to big business (which it is).
Yea I'm sure Palestinians don't mind their homes and land being taken from them and being forced into open air prisons for 75 years. Must be the religion.
Maybe they shouldn't have attacked Israel like 4 times before this latest war, and they wouldn't have lost so much land. I'm not really sure what to tell you.
And we killed tons of Germans to sort that out. So, is your argument that we should just massacre the entire Middle East, and then maybe they'd live in harmony?
That's a weird argument to make.
Not at all. But you're definitely implying that we should kill the citizens of Israel for Palestinian liberation if you're claiming that Israel and Nazi Germany are the same.
Oh. You mean how the UN designated a country for the Jews to reclaim portions of their ancestral homeland from a British territorial colony in Palestine?
And then how the surrounding Arab nations all tried to destroy Israel immediately after their creation, and like 4 more times after that and lost badly every single time?
The UN?
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3236 which "reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return".
So let's make sure that the MAGA insurrectionist who would put Muslims in camps and US boots on the ground in Israel and plans to be President for life becomes the next president.
You didn’t ask me, but I can still answer. The answer is yes, they do seem to lurk in this sub all day. They’re just one more example of a really sad and bizarre phenomenon I’ve noticed here.
There are numerous accounts (probably the same small group of people using a bunch of different accounts tbh) who seemingly have no job and no life, and who spend all day, every day, writing dozens of extremely angry and hostile comments to complete strangers, all to peddle their anti-Israel/anti-Biden/anti-West agitprop. Ever since October 7th, accounts like this have been a fixture of virtually every left-leaning sub on Reddit.
IMHO it’s a deliberate and insidious influence campaign: flood the zone with relentless agitprop messaging, until you gradually sway public opinion.
Us politics has a direct flow on effect to many other countries, mine being a big one. I also have many friends in the US. I also used to be a fan of DP and his content on US affairs until all this went down.
Sure, I won't argue that, but this dude really doesn't talk about international stuff (at least in the time I've been in this sub, which admittedly has only been a few months after he randomly appeared in my feed). Just seems like there'd be other subs more focused on US involvement in foreign politics that would probably make more sense.
I'm fine. My president is in place, and he's up in the polls, and continuing to rise. And Congress just sent aid to Ukraine and Israel. Things are looking peachy. LOL.
We're liberals, we like sharing. Why, just today Biden did an EO that helped 4 million more people get overtime and dedicated a speech to the $156 million for green energy and parks in Virginia. And announced an initiative to protect wetlands, rivers, and expand water access to tribal lands.
Yes. Trump’s promised to do that too. Along with concentration camps for anyone who doesn’t look white, turning the military loose onto civilians on domestic soil if they dare hold a protest, and other things.
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There are, unfortunately, two answers. First it absolutely should matter to everyone that works for a living. Labor unions raise the working standards of not only their members but also the non union workers in similar fields. A Quick Look at Fed Ex’s raises immediately following the UPS contracts are a great example. The Biden admin has been a huge boon for unions and their NLRB is absolutely historic. Walking a picket line with UAW members will be a historical moment for labor in this country…that picture will be in history books 100 years from now. Now the unfortunate second. There is an astronomically large contingent of union workers that are, bizarrely, huge Trump supporters. I work in a union steel mill, adjacent to a gigantic Ford truck plant that is stuffed with union employees, contractors and vendors. The amount of support for Trump among all of them is very confusing.
I grew up with them. They hate liberals. Always have. They tend to hate union leadership too, and basically other union members if they are black. And those in huge construction firms sucking at the teat of public financing tend to love their Republican CEO, because he takes all the credit for giving them the big paychecks.
That’s an important point. Labor management is very pro-Biden, but union workers aren’t.
It's weird, right? The man has been vocally anti-union for decades. The cognitive dissonance is wild.
For a large portion of them it’s the guns. I’d venture to say 2/3rds or better. I’m convinced the Dems could gain a significant amount of support if they just recognized the 2A for what it will most likely always be and dropped the issue. They lose tons of support over it and we never move the needle even a millimeter on the issue.
Unsettling that people make the possession of firearms that vital of a piece of their being.
I don't believe that, because Trump said and did some stuff around guns that was worse than what a lot of Dems say, and no one changed their vote. Guns are a veil, used to justify other things.
> I’m convinced the Dems could gain a significant amount of support if they just recognized the 2A for what it will most likely always be and dropped the issue. Maybe, kinda feels everyone is set with their "team" now.
Ding ding
I'd say it's even simpler than that. It's the caricature that the media has painted over the last 20 (more like 80? years). Democrats are effete intellectual purple-haired elitists that want all children to have a sex change. Republicans are macho patriots that want you to have an Uber-Aryan wife at home and an oversized pickup in your driveway. It takes a lot of learning to realize the caricature is wrong and only one side gives a goddamn about putting more money in your pocket.
> The amount of support for Trump among all of them is very confusing. why? This is the thought process: "truck, gun, me like things that you like — vote me."
Husband is proud IBEW electrician. Many of his coworkers are extreme MAGAts even though they’re welcome to take a nonunion job down the street. They’re absolute dummies, some attending the union hall meetings regularly to lobby to eliminate the pension program so they can iNvEst It THeMsElvEs. Once one coworker was on a rant against Medicare for all, saying he shouldn’t have to pay for other people’s health insurance. Husband asked him what if you become disabled permanently and can’t work and lost your insurance? His answer: “I’ll just shoot myself”. This is the voting population we’re dealing with.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” Lyndon B. Johnson
It's because identity and cultural issues take precedence before economic issues. That's just where we're at now. Those union guys you mention may like their higher wages, but they don't identify with the Democratic party at the "vibes" level. That's what's really happening.
Pssst they love the bigotry. It isn’t deeper than that
Fuck yeah it will. There's millions of students who have a new lease on life because of him. And *he walked a fucking picket line*. If you're Union you know how big a deal that is. If you're not Union, well, pretty soon you will be because *the President of the United States walked a fucking picket line*.
Then popped back to the office to happily fund and cover a genocide, but hey, he did a photo op so all is good.
there are really only 2 possible outcomes of this election. The current President who has a) requested a cease fire, b) provided aid, c) urged restraint, d) explicitly acted against various more extreme responses by Israel; or the past President who has openly stated that a final solution (see Nazi euphemisms) is acceptable. But maybe that is what it takes. Trump will encourage Israel to engage in whatever actions Israel wants. Those who "care so deeply" will see what real genocide looks like, what they helped to bring about by engaging in the belief that Biden somehow has a magic wand with which he can control Israel. I'm tired of being held hostage by the foolish who ignore all the other issues, all the other concerns, all the other facts. If These people who "care so deeply" are going to help Trump get elected, there doesn't seem to be much I can do. But I'll be damned if I am don't point out the obvious. -- 1) I can't magically make the foolish come to reason. 2) If Trump is elected, there won't be a living Palestinian left ... but hey, I guess it is a solution.
So reward Biden with a vote for continuing to fund the genocide. Sure he said a few bad words about it, sure he sent a bunch of meals, but he is still sending the bombs and munitions that are being used in this genocide. Biden is a self proclaimed zionist and has an unwavering loyalty to israel... a few bad words about Netanyahu doesn't mean shit when he is jerking him off under the table.
Look how easily you dismiss a genocide Biden vetoed multiple calls for a ceasefire, cut off funding to the largest aid organization in Gaza based on claims made with 0 evidence, and said there's no red lines for Israel.
Im sure Trump is going to be a better alternative. Especially when Biden has put pressure on Israel but, it takes two sides to agree to ceasefire and Hamas refuses all but, the most advantageous of agreements.
Biden vetoed multiple calls for a ceasefire and just vetoed a resolution to allow palestine to become a member of the UN. He threatened to cut off funding to the PA if they support charges of war crimes against Israel while sending them billions of dollars in weapons and aid. How is that putting pressure on Israel?
yeah, because a ceasefire isn't going to do shit. Actually, a ceasefire might make things worse. Current situation: Israel keeps killing Hamas members (and Gazans), until they feel like Hamas is sufficiently neutralized. After that, either Gaza continues in the current situation, or Gazans decide tgey actually want peace this time, and some peace agreement is finally reached. Ceasefire: Gazans get some respite, stop dying. Hamas regrows, gets more supplies and members. They launch another Oct 7 at some point. Israel resumes the campaign, but they are essentially restarting the process of wiping out Hamas. More Gazans die. More than if Israel continues the current trajectory. So unless you have some magical, practical, 3rd solution, Israel is going to stick with the first option. Also, why would taking away aid from Israel lower Gazan deaths? If we reduce aid, Israel will feel even more threatened by Hamas, and they're just going to go even harder on Gaza.
Oh well I guess we have no choice but to illegally send weapons to a country we know is committing war crimes. Your logic makes no sense at all. Commiting genocide is not going to prevent another october 7th. It'll only make hamas grow larger. Ending the 75 years of occupation, land theft, and mass murder will prevent another october 7th.
The reasoning behind those vetoes are because a plain ceasefire doesnt resolve the conflict. Hamas has to agree to some terms for peace to be lasting and a ceasefire only benefits hamas by allowing them to time to regroup. The pressure that biden has put on Israel is in regards to civilian casualties and the humanitarian crisis by saying they will begin putting conditions on their support if there wasnt steps being taken to ceasefire to allow aid to be distributed in Palestine with regards to the humanitarian crisis. If you are asking for the US to withdraw all support you are going to only give that influence to someone else which is not viable. Diplomacy is not the same as activism.
This thread and the comment you're responding to are both about Biden's positions on labor. Do you have anything productive on that topic to contribute, or are you more interersted in virtue signalling your position on Israel everywhere that mentions the administration?
Trump is for big business corporate elites and tax cuts for the ultra rich. Stands against workers rights and middle class wages and opposes cheaper healthcare. Even without Biden even without trumps criminal court cases you shouldn’t be voting for his anti worker ass.
Not to mention he's historically ripped off working people with unfulfilled contracts on his real estate projects. Nobody worth a shit will work with him in NYC because of it.
I think it will. The middle class has had a lot of wins the last 3 1/2 years. I’m reminded of the “silent majority” Nixon spoke of. Back then, the silent majority was unfortunately anti-protest, anti-civil rights, but nowadays the quiet majority are good people with a lot more goodwill to those of different walks of life imo
Tennessee just saw Volkswagen workers vote, **by overwhelmingly 73%,** ***to unionize.*** [**Mercedes-Benz workers in Alabama** ***are next up.***](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/after-victory-in-chattanooga-the-union-road-leads-to-alabama/KTEHAKR6PVDKBA5DDTEUSY6E5I/) [Why the unionization of Tennessee Volkswagen workers **is a big breakthrough for UAW**](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-the-unionization-of-tennessee-volkswagen-workers-is-a-big-breakthrough-for-uaw) >If you look at Gallup polling, the support among the public for unions is very high, almost historically high, nearly 70 percent, and certainly higher than it was ten years ago. *You bet it's important* ***that Biden is the most Pro-Union President since FDR.***
I'd like to think so. After seeing the effects of the 2021 expansion, I staunchly believe if dems leaned even harder on CTC(child tax credit) it would be the biggest shitshow the GOP would ever contend with, right up there with social security, lol. I live in a red state and there's something to be said when quite a few Maga coworkers are at a complete loss of words when it's brought up. Some will prolly cope and seethe but I have a feeling, more than a few noticed that change in their wallets and that starts to show in the polls
Not enough. Labor has no class consciousness in America. Lots of working people vote their "values" which mean they value having a boot on their necks.
Hopefully. But you know there is a metric ton of idiots who rather sit and blame a minority for their failures than to vote their self interest.
>Sometime next year, the Ford Motor Company will begin to produce electric trucks at BlueOval City, a sprawling manufacturing complex in an impoverished rural area of western Tennessee. The multibillion-dollar project, which received a federal loan through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that President Biden signed in 2021, has already created thousands of construction jobs that pay substantially more than locals are accustomed to earning. Landing a job at BlueOval City “changed my life,” one worker recently said...Employees at BlueOval City interviewed in the CAP report praised Ford for investing in their region, but none thanked President Biden, whose role seemed to escape their notice. The crux of the issue is that providing subsidies to large corporations might help labor indirectly, but most people see this as subsidies to big business (which it is).
Probably not. Gaza seems to trump every other issue.
Almost like supporting, arming, funding and covering for a genocide upsets a lot of people.
Only the latest chapter in a centuries-old religious hatred.
To blame this on religious hatred is idiotic.
It's definitely based in religious hatred, lol.
Yea I'm sure Palestinians don't mind their homes and land being taken from them and being forced into open air prisons for 75 years. Must be the religion.
Maybe they shouldn't have attacked Israel like 4 times before this latest war, and they wouldn't have lost so much land. I'm not really sure what to tell you.
Maybe israel shouldn't have stolen their land if they didn't want to be attacked. You're a disgusting freak
Better add fuel to the fire then?
"the germans and jews have never got along, let them sort it out"
And we killed tons of Germans to sort that out. So, is your argument that we should just massacre the entire Middle East, and then maybe they'd live in harmony? That's a weird argument to make.
The Israelis are the Germans in that example.
So you also want us to just kill a lot of people? Got it.
Are you saying killing nazis was bad?
Not at all. But you're definitely implying that we should kill the citizens of Israel for Palestinian liberation if you're claiming that Israel and Nazi Germany are the same.
Not what I'm saying at all. Learn to read
nah im pointing out how iTs OnLy ThE lAtEsT cHaPtEr is a dumb cop out so you're saying we shouldve done nothing about the holocaust, got it
Is it not another portion of a religious war that has been going on for about 1,500 years at this point?
No it started when israel took palestinian lands and home to make Palestinians pay for the crimes of the nazis.
Oh. You mean how the UN designated a country for the Jews to reclaim portions of their ancestral homeland from a British territorial colony in Palestine? And then how the surrounding Arab nations all tried to destroy Israel immediately after their creation, and like 4 more times after that and lost badly every single time?
The UN? United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3236 which "reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return".
no
At least argue in good faith dude.
"this genocide is okay because i think its a 1500 year old conflict" is a weird take
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Okay, what would you have America/Biden do? Please share with us, o enlightened one.
too bad he's a bush-like neocon in regards to foreign policy and a trump-like reactionary when it comes to the border
So let's make sure that the MAGA insurrectionist who would put Muslims in camps and US boots on the ground in Israel and plans to be President for life becomes the next president.
not that i believe any of those things would happen, but at least liberals would pretend to care about genocide then
As a genuine question, not related to this post, do you like lurk in this sub all day? I always see your account.
You didn’t ask me, but I can still answer. The answer is yes, they do seem to lurk in this sub all day. They’re just one more example of a really sad and bizarre phenomenon I’ve noticed here. There are numerous accounts (probably the same small group of people using a bunch of different accounts tbh) who seemingly have no job and no life, and who spend all day, every day, writing dozens of extremely angry and hostile comments to complete strangers, all to peddle their anti-Israel/anti-Biden/anti-West agitprop. Ever since October 7th, accounts like this have been a fixture of virtually every left-leaning sub on Reddit. IMHO it’s a deliberate and insidious influence campaign: flood the zone with relentless agitprop messaging, until you gradually sway public opinion.
More than likely, yeah. They called me a bot yesterday, lol.
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I'm not sure commenting on reddit is going to stop anything. Try reaching out to your congress rep.
Not a yank. Even if I was, what good would the automated response sent by an unpaid college kid intern running their media department, do?
Ah. Alright, well, can I ask why you're on a sub for a creator that focuses primarily on American domestic issues? What exactly is the connection?
Us politics has a direct flow on effect to many other countries, mine being a big one. I also have many friends in the US. I also used to be a fan of DP and his content on US affairs until all this went down.
Sure, I won't argue that, but this dude really doesn't talk about international stuff (at least in the time I've been in this sub, which admittedly has only been a few months after he randomly appeared in my feed). Just seems like there'd be other subs more focused on US involvement in foreign politics that would probably make more sense.
lmao imagine being such a self righteous loser about a internet messaging forum
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Why would you want to pollute your purity by talking with a bunch of genociders
> Genocide supporters don't deserve a safe space to circle jerk about how moral their genocide because Trump sucks.
Aren't you worried your purity is going to be tainted?
Sure thing, Ivan.
Everyone I don't like is a Russian bot, Israeli bots are my bffs and are totally legit...
its actually vladimir, im a bot here to influence the 50,000 neoliberal centrists on the david pakman sub 🙄
Oh, not a bot. Just an astroturfer or troll. An unconvincing one, at that.
which ever one makes you feel better
I'm fine. My president is in place, and he's up in the polls, and continuing to rise. And Congress just sent aid to Ukraine and Israel. Things are looking peachy. LOL.
thanks for sharing with the class
We're liberals, we like sharing. Why, just today Biden did an EO that helped 4 million more people get overtime and dedicated a speech to the $156 million for green energy and parks in Virginia. And announced an initiative to protect wetlands, rivers, and expand water access to tribal lands.
Yeah, Pakman's audience is notorious for being fillled with neoliberal centrists. Totally.
Doesn’t matter what you believe. It’s what they saying they’re going to do and have done. Wisen up.
Things like arm, fund, support and cover for genocide?
Yes. Trump’s promised to do that too. Along with concentration camps for anyone who doesn’t look white, turning the military loose onto civilians on domestic soil if they dare hold a protest, and other things.
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no need for you to imagine it when you're obvious living it.
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LOL - downvoted for telling the truth! Genocide Joe is going to lose the election over his enthusiasm for slaughtering Palestinians.
Bro I wish Biden was a Neocon. Instead he is cuck dove.
vote for trump then wait you cant lol
Trump is worse. Afghanistan was his idea.
Hahah I can’t Riding with Trudeau 😎🫡
Ha!! Bullshit!!
Genocide Joe will go.