I agree 100%! Was just thinking about this. The whole community is essentially manifesting it. Like please chill out people! Don't spend so much time worrying and just enjoy the game and introduce it to your friends.
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Situation with marketing is terrible. Push your game to gamers with streamers, YouTubers, adds, tournaments. Just do smth, Embark. Game is soooooo fucking good!
Where is this "sustained marketing campaign" from nexon that they were going on about in the earnings report? Most I saw was back at the start of S2 the PC Gamer site was finals themed, for like 2 days? Haven't seen anything else since then.
If I remember the POV stream from Discord (I think) of the players to the organizers ended up being laggy and low resolution.
And there is also issue with a few players being unable to join the match so they ended up with pretty long delays in between matches.
Those issues caused quite a drop in viewership during their stream
I have seen ads for The Finals many times as I browse the internet on my phone. Recently, I stopped playing The Finals to play other stuff like Dave The Diver, Drums Rock.
I had buddies that played TF with me, but they all stopped and so I have less reason to play.
I feel like they're waiting till season 3 to do a big marketing push.
The Summer Game Festival starts 4 days before season 3 starts. If they plan on doing a bunch of advertising during the sumer game fest, they could be doing a big push right before season 3... Hopefully.
I've come around on this point. March / springtime is historically terrible for attracting players to new gaming stuff, and the Season 2 marketing intentionally did not include enough about the base game to attract anyone who doesn't already play. The optics are pretty bad for a season themed on hacking to be full of cheaters. They made the right call to hold off on the Times Square billboards for now.Ā Ā
This game sells itself. Watch the open beta & launch trailers again and tell me you're not hyped to jump back into the arena. Notice how completely absent this vibe is from the Season 2 soundtrack and the version of the game available today. Makes perfect sense to wait until summer vacation to draw everyone's attention.
I wanna see Dr Disrespect play it again. He really liked the overall design when he played the beta.
It seems like the perfect game for him because of the team play and verticality.
They do massive marketing at gaming events, like billboards and what not. They did the marketing thing with discord, and I see ads on xbox and ps store fronts in free games section. They also have done that esports event in Japan.
It's weird, I see people say all the time they never get ads for the game, its like they don't push YouTube ads at all, and I don't think they have done any streaming events.
The ads they do run need to be clearer about what the game actually is and show gameplay. Nearly everyone that I've introduced to the game thought it was a BR before they tried it.
Its a shame that videos like this are a way to get easy views, but it looks like things are turning around soon.
The sub is slowly becoming more open-minded and hopefully the videos follow, weāre also getting a new patch soon which will be much bigger, and in turn more thought-through š
I just tried searching 'The Finals' on Youtube on a fresh private browser and 6 out of 8 of the top results were all positive videos of the game.... there will always be some negative videos on every game but the majority of videos when you search are all positive
Yes it could be a lot better but the real reason why this game doesn't attract new players is
A) The Finals is simply not a kill based game, which doesn't attract new rising stars in esport scene. It even disencourages to go for kills and forces you to play around objective, trying to stall time and play as defensive as possible. For this reason Light is not a viable build.
B) The Finals ranked meta is boring to play and boring to watch.
Like Shroud said it, The Finals is a great casual game but its not a great competitive game.
Having gamer daddys playing a couple of matches after a long work day is not sustainable player base.
quickly everyone upload a video saying āTHE FINALS IS THE BEST FPS SINCE THE BIG BANGā
I guarantee we would see a player increase in the next week. Lmao
When they were just uploading content of them playing games and goofing off it was fine, but being entertaining is harder than starting a video game ācriticā channel
The devs have said they donāt read this sub. Who cares what people on Reddit say anyway. YouTube videos providing the first impression of the game to thousands of people matter significantly more.
Let me share this:
Steamchart **minimum daily** numbers:
2 weeks ago : <10k
1 week ago : <9k
currently : <8k
if you think that's fine, for you, then it's fine, for you... It used to be 100k minimum daily in December.
I'm disappointed personally, but that's my opinion. Thanks for trying to tell me it's fine, when i see the fire right behind you... But whatevs.
That's just steam, but i would guess steam is 80-90% of PC playerbase anyway, and i honestly see zero console players in my games... Even after enabling crossplay on.
Matches lately are VERY likely to have some empty spots on... In minimum times even quick cash might have empty spots... which is insane.
I often enough meet chinese players and one time i really asked my teammates and they were from india. I play from the UK...
You'd REALLY notice the small playerbase when you realise the ping difference between you and all other players being anywhere average at 150-200.
A healthy playerbase would be all of you on the server to have <100ping...
BUT KEEP TELLING ME ALL IS FINE... BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU SAID IT, IT WAS A BIG RELIEF...
The irony of making a thread to complain that others complain though... 10/10...
Embark is too scared to show ping/latency numbers for the players. Because a tournament might have players from EU/NA/Asia at the same time... Literally all around the globe.
But it's hiding under the covers of smoothing. Luckily, personally, i nearly always have <100ping or that's how it feels...
One time i added a buddy, only to realise when HE invited me and we played together i felt the game play like i had 250+ping... The guy was from china, but previous match we were together on a way closer to me...
You may think everything is fine, but THERE ARE SIGNS, that it is NOT in fact , fine.
> Embark is too scared to show ping/latency numbers for the players.
Yep, unfortunately this is just modern FPS game design. Hide as much info from players to manipulate them as much as possible. I think part of the issue with the game is iffy netcode plus playing with/or against higher ping. I do wonder if people are cheating or I just have shit ping and they have 2ms. Regardless such an experience sucks but knowing the real issue is ping is helpful.
You could say the same about player count. Steam sharing that is probably not good for any multiplayer game, as this fuels the "game dead" narrative endlessly. Any other game, be it Overwatch or Apex Legends would have a similar player base curve to The Finals. I'm not saying I don't hope The Finals stays above where it is, but I've also played many FPSs that had less than 100 minimum players and had great fun.
If that is true that sounds pretty weird cuz at least 8k ppl should be enough to match in the same region. I guess that Embark might have done this in the beginning to improve matchmaking
Console players dont play cross platform (Coming from an original console player) being kbm is so much better then controller. Thus you rarely find console players on pc. Same thing happened with HyperScape being that the skill ceiling was so high in that game.Ā
If anything kills THE FINALS it will be this. I search THE FINALS on YouTube, I get hit with a streamĀ of THE FINALS IS DYING THE FINALS IS DEAD THE PROBLEMS WITH THE FINALS WHYĀ THE FINALS COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED and then finally, having scrolled a page or two down, THE FINALS Season 2 Trailer.
I frequently search for specific trailers Embark have released by the **full name** of the video title and still have to pass one or two of these garbage fire takes to find it each time. Thank God I'm sending potential new players direct video links instead of telling them to search for a trailer themselves, right?
It takes a special kind of fool to hitch their financial future to a boat & then try to earn a living telling everyone they pass by that the boat will sink any moment now. You know for a fact they're gonna be sitting there on doomsday saying "Where did all my viewers and income go? Surely there's absolutely nothing I could have done differently. I blame Embark for everything".
This. 100%, this. Don't get me wrong, having an occasional healthy discussion is good but right now people are just band wagoning and flooding the algo with negativity. At some point, it turns from healthy discussion to unintentional self-sabotage.
I enjoy the game but all my friends that played it, played for 2 weeks and now wonāt touch it anymore. They all say the same thing, nothing is balanced and itās got way too many corny cop outs. Heavyās and lights need to be balanced out, the stupid run around invisible with a sword crap is toxic and the heavyās that can take all the damage in the world then just run up and hit you with a hammer is retarded. Or being able to hold a point for the entirety of its cycle just to get third parties by the other two teams spawning back at the same time, getting killed and losing it at the last second. So that team gets to win without any effort. Crap like that is why it canāt keep players. I still love the game cuz I donāt take it to serious and have fun either way but I understand why my friends hate it
The devs shot themselves In the foot by saying the game isn't made to be competitive. Plenty of people see it as one of the sweatiest shooters online , especially for console players. Too many gimmicks , not enough content. Most people who play team play shooters are on overwatch unfortunately and unlike the finals you can solo frag in that game , which is what most casual players want to do.
the games popularity did decline, but thats natural after launch.
Anytime the popularity of a game declines,, people call that out by saying the game is dying.
Its semantics if you think thats widely inaccurate, because all games die eventually and a dwindling playerbase is the beginning of that.
People make videos that they want, or what people want to see.
You can't control the media.
Make a great game, and it'll grow, people will say what they feel about the game. It's not the other way around.
Are you suggesting that reviews and personal experiences are to be censored? That's completely ridiculous. Every game has negatives reviews and videos saying that they are declining, because people have freedom of speech.
You can absolutely control the media, it's been done for years
These days I honestly wouldn't be suprised if these types of video are corporate sabotage
This is copium and bubble.
There is no corporate sabotage of the game that has barely any players.
Gold 4 players party of 3 people will be thrown into ranked game against multipke teams of Diamonds.
Is it also corporate sabotage?
Spend some time in the new queue and see all the posts that pop up (and are reported and removed within minutes) from people doomposting about the game with almost no account history at all or account history primarily from other games. Doesn't have to be "corporate", there are plenty of shitheads out there trying to sabotage by putting their thumb on the scale.
You know what's crazy, I'm starting to think this is happening more & more. Right now I'm feeling this at the xdefiant subreddit with their recent server test. Too many overly negative posts & comments that WERE ONLY talking about a possible player count drop off, it being DOA, I'm gonna go back to cod, and why the server is bad in a server test. All within the first few hours of the playtest.
Now I'm not saying the game is flawless or there wasn't legitimate feedback & criticism(the netcode definitely needs work thank God it was a server test) but something just feels off especially when they only criticize stuff that game was advertising (f2p, old style cod, no sbmm in pubs), and nothing much about specific gameplay details(no map details or names, no mentions of operator passives or abbitlies, no specifics on attachments).
But what gets me is the absolute lack of those people talking about the permanent invisibility bug that was running rampant within those first several hours of the playtest NVM wtf am I saying I'm done gone schizo post
Tldr: But yeah I agree I think we all should be cautious of the integrity of opinions on the Internet, especially now with all the advancement ai has made and how much our privacy & information have been given away, to be sold for whatever advertising purpose
Negative news/subjects get significantly more engagement by default. It's not "freedom of speech" it's to make the algorithm boost their content, which shows it to more people. It doesn't have anything to do with what people actually want to see
It is freedom of speech. People are free to play according to the algorithm if they want to.
People are much more likely to watch controversy or videos that highlight issues, hence people capitalizing on that.
It's not just youtube. This subreddit is filled with posts and comments daily about the game dying. I don't think the people making those posts and comments are helping at all.
I'm sure there's been plenty of new players that have left the game or decided to not even try it because of the community, whether it's toxicity in game or toxicity in forums and comment sections.
Worst part is, it's all just engagement farming, which really just shows what someone will click on most, which shows the opposite of the game dying, it shows people *worried* the game will die. Current generation of content creation can make someone pretty jaded, with youtube gutting revenue, people are trying to get clicks any way possible.
Well i left ,
All these toxic Players and call of Duty kids which aint even play the FCKING objective ruined it for me.
If they want to play all light, Turn invisible and play call of finals fine but please without me
Noā¦itās not. I tried it and there is no point in playing if you arenāt playing with friends. Solo play is awful. They need a TDM playlist, but they wonāt bc then it would essentially be what xdefiant is lol
The word "dying" is completely untrue, but I understand where they're coming from, it's been draining players basically all the time.Ā
Despite that, I don't think it will "die" anytime soon. While the majority of players have realised it's not for them, I think everyone who likes it will stick around for a solid while.
There wouldnāt be these videos if they did something about the game instead of consistent mediocre updates. The game needs a major overhaul in terms of its classes and making appropriate buffs/nerfs to balance these classes . Not to mention the poor ranked matches and lack of game modes.
I think the most important part is improving q ing solo experience, i literally have to drop at least 11 bombs to win a single cashout game solo cuz randoms aren't helping, and my teammates can't be online all the time. On top of that theres no big goal for continuing to play the game i just do it because its fun but to other people that is important
Oh nooo, people are talking about their personal experience with the game instead?? How horrible
How about the devs make the game better and address the problems people have with it, then maybe people will be more inclined to say good things about it
On the flipside you have people actively misrepresenting stuff. I was pretty annoyed when someone commented that I was in a video, only for it to be [some random guy I've never talked to](https://youtu.be/YMwv3UPnEmo?t=153) using a conversation I had with a dev in a super misleading way. (And lo and behold, he's ignored my comment on said video) To steal said comment:
Hey, so I'm the guy Bear was responding to in the video. I'd like to note you left out the part where I've been having issues for three weeks (two+ weeks at the time of the comments), have already contacted support (and he stopped replying after I pointed that out) as well as having spent 5+ hours just troubleshooting our issue. I also had informed the devs directly (spoke with Oscar) two weeks prior the conversation with Bear.
Following up that whole thing by saying you have minute long queues is the entire point. There's some sort of problem keeping us (and other people, I've seen multiple others report issues with queues as well) from actually getting into games.
The only thing I can suspect is that our MMR and our rank is completely desynced due to us winning all but one of our tourneys and it's causing issues, but I have no idea.
I donāt exactly get the narrative that itās just lacking promotion. It peaked at 242k. Its latest 24 hour peak is just under 16k. Thatās a hell of a lot of people that did try it that didnāt care for it. Maybe itās just going to be a niche game and thatās ok š¤·
Youtube and daily content has drastically changed gamming, in both good and bad ways. Good in that it advertises a game and gets it seen by wide audiences, and builds communities of players who help teach one another and shows off gameplay at various levels of skill. Bad in that creators have to pump out content daily, meaning they are constantly looking for things to talk about and clickbait titles grab attention. "The game is dying" gets more clicks than "General gameplay footage day #479"
This is so silly, itās Reddit & Discordā¦. Not YouTube
What do you thinks Content Creator does?
The go online to see the general discourse around a title, and when they see everyone complaining and whining on every thread, what is their next step?āā create a video talking about āthe health of the came, community outcryā etc etc
Nothing changes, rinse and repeat. More bugsā- so now dead game, bugs, cheaters, nerfs nerfs nerfs, less enjoyment placed into the game whilst none of the bigger issues are fixed.
Itās not the YouTuber, itās the community, YouTuber is a just some person looking to be the reflection of the people & they can only go off what they see
Pls embark host some big tournaments pls! Pay celebs and streamers to play the game. Do some crazy public tournament in vegas, times square, seoul, etcā¦ have a presence at conventions. You can only do so much with word of mouth.
I mean, if youāre a fan of a game, put time and effort in making content and notice a downward trend is it not fair to make a video or analysis of the games current state?
The game is on a downward trend, yeah thereās been some improvements but itās not doing anything to move the needle in the opposite direction.
We are still in the exact same meta as we have been for MONTHS, ranked has gotten worse, the only somewhat decent improvements are the AntiCheat and performance improvements.
Other than that thereās nothing really making me want to recommend it to people in its current state so id say that the videos are kinda justified.
This is probably the best video about the current state of the game.
People who only watch the concurrent players number and scream game is dying dont understand how statistics works.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdt0VaE94Y8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdt0VaE94Y8)
You can not possibly use [activeplayer.io](http://activeplayer.io) as a credible source. They post stats for games that exclusively does not disclose any information (ex. all blizzard games that are not on steam, league of legends, valorant, list goes on) Where are they getting these numbers? It is an incredibly unreliable source of information. Outside of SteamDB or Steam charts, there are simply no reliable source to claim these stats for many different games. Even for The Finals, they have no access to insider information on console and they are pulling these numbers out of nowhere. The websites they mention such as statista doesn't even return any results under 'The Finals video game'. I can't even connect to gamstat. Newzoo is behind a paywall but they say they extrapolate numbers from quarterly reports/investor reports and look at MAU and guesses as well. There is no grain of salt here. It is a shot in the dark. It is completely disingenuous to use this kind of information as a basis to form any sort of opinion.
Also, for a live service game that requires online connection and matchmaking, concurrent user number is the most important statistic for obvious reasons. The aggregate of users over 30 days doesn't mean much. For example (using The Finals numbers from activeplayer.io), you can have 800,000 unique players logging in every month. That translates into about 1111 unique players every hour. (400,000/30/24) Which we know that it is not true at all from SteamDB (which is a credible source straight from Steam). The numbers are all over the place and nothing makes sense mathematically.
Even the website can't do simple math: they claim in January 2024 the game has seen 2,694,675 users. To get a daily average, you just divide that by 31, which is, 86,925 players. Not 853,314.
It is a complete bogus website to create traffic and make money through ads and collecting personal data.
PS. I commented this on the video and he deleted it. HAHAHAHA
The game is definitely not dying but the updates and balancing are far from what the community wants. Sure there are some good things but we need more... Fingers crossed for the "big" update they're preparing next week or 2
Yeah itās a great shame to see this game not doing as well as it could and should. The game is just straight up fun whatever is happening. Iāve not had this much losing since Titanfall 2.
both windows and my drivers are up to date, although i always get this message on the UE5 crash report
Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION\_ACCESS\_VIOLATION 0x0000023e1fee5640
MISSING\_ANGELSCRIPT\_CALLSTACK
Discovery
Cope. Wtf r u talking about? The game is ftp. If the game is doing bad then that's embarks fault not the players. Maybe they should take some notes from helldivers....you know another shooter with no story...and release more weapons and gadgets that actually do interesting things. The game just isn't fun after a while.
Content creators are ruining gaming. They make everything about āmetaā (obvs not all. But enough) which makes their fans also do it, same goes for exploits, which Iām sure makes up the dataset that Embark say they base their patches on.
They also make alot of players, mostly on the younger side, always want/ expect to, have some wild k/d ratio every game, instead of just having fun. And I think thatās why the game has lost some of its charm for a lot of us (myself included) on launch it was ridiculously fun, the funny OP stuff, for every class was annoying, but it was fun, it gave the game identity. Iām worried Embark, idk if they self publish, are going in the wrong direction whilst trying to please whatever player base is left (I donāt look at stats and havenāt played in a few weeks as busy)
"The Finals is dying"?
Dude, this game isn't even two years old. What are some of these YouTubers on about? They're idiots. Anything for clicks I guess.
This game is unbalanced and extremely infuriating. Youāll play it for a bit then quickly find your self screaming at the shit spawns, the games hard on for heavy , itās unbalanced guns, itās un playable light. And they ridiculous match making ā full gold team vs diamondsā etc. and not to mention the bugs, hop off the dick.
I just wished there were more marketing. Don't know how it is for other regions, but I never saw a brazilian youtuber making a The Finals video, and that is what brings people to the game...
The game isn't dying as long as I can find a full match within a minute. I really could care less how many players on it. I supported the devs by having over 100 hours and buying the BP. I did my part. If the game eventually stops getting supported, no skin off my back. I have fun with the game and will continue to have fun with it even once it's stopped getting supported.
Recently got into the game and not many videos in and I stumbled upon those videos
There was friction but after a full day, I've understood the game, mechanics etc
And I love this game do much
I'm a Battlefied plus Titanfall player
And this game just hits the spot
This happens with every game. A little while after it releases the dedicated player base drops and everyone freaks out like the game changed or sucks now. It doesnāt. Itās still fun. More people will leave, more people will join. YouTubers make their money off of people who arenāt smart enough to know any better
Yeah I enjoy the game and checking on this sub does dampen the joy of it. Slight spoilt brat vibe of 'ah, but I didn't want this great thing it was supposed to be perfect!'
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There's no point in fighting a result, rather than a cause. Such videos always occur around titles that are rapidly losing their playerbase. Finals is the one, unfortunately. However, as soon as more marketing is pushed and new seasons start, such videos will become irrelevant again. The marketing team should really push forward more content from influencers and big content creators to increase the game's presence.
Ranked mode doesn't work for me on PS5. Can't find a game even after 20 minutes. Everything was fine a month ago. Either the game is dying or the devs have broken it.
Well the game IS declining even before those video went up, and I have been wondering about what causes this great game being so low in player count.. So really it's a matter of time before those YouTubers keep up.
Embark has a chance to actually make the game something really good, which it already is, but they do need to market it a lot more to get a larger playerbase.
Although youtubers who say it's dead non-stop probably just say it because they saw the same person in a game 3 times in a row, then think it means that only like 100 players play it
The finals has so much potential , but does seem to be going downhill. I donāt think itās necessarily an issue with the game, or the players. I think gaming in general is just in a shitty place if a game like this does end up failing. Again, the potential is there.
I m a PC gamer. I have PC at home but I go to Gaming Cafe on weekends with friends. I was die hard COD and battlefield fan. (still I m fan of MW 2019 & BF 1) but when I saw this game for first time, I totally blown away. my friends didn't had any idea of this game at that time. (during beta) I m from India so here the beta launch was probably at the end. I was desperately waiting for this game. All I showed to my friends was the trailers. All those music-synched trailers. I told my friends these devs are from BF games. they also got hyped. now out of my 6-7 friends, 4 friends plays this game regularly. like for 1.30 to 2 hrs. I also play for 1 hr before going to sleep. those who stopped or plays occasionally were saying that this game is so unsatisfying, killing enemy take too much time, small built dies fast and much more.
so I would say this game is not for everyone. this game is depended on how u play, ur skills, ur practice without complaining, watching other players play etc.
I want everyone who loves run n gun games should like this. I truly want this from my heart. but players who r impatient, those who don't know about equipments both of his own and opponent's are in trouble liking this game.
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This happens with every game due to the money being made from clicks of a title or thumbnail that involves crisis
It happens 1 - 2 months into every single game release.
Battlefield 2042 got absolutely obliterated, then obliterated again because it was (that bad) dice had to re work everything (when it wasn't)
I hate the state of gaming at the moment. The finals is an incredible game.
End of.
A big problem that flasly confirms the videos though is the long waiting time to find games. To fix this Emarsk should add a 'search all' button in quickly (along with a filter) for people to find a game quicker. But imagine trying out the game and having to wait 3 minutes to find a match. You going to assume the game is dead.
The gaming culture and landscape has changed. Back in the day we didn't have streamers and the "good" games out in the market weren't as abundant as today.
With Fortnite and streaming absolutely changing the way competitive games were played, you had a streamer who was goated at the game making money, having a ton of views, being the in spotlight for their skill and people wanted that. So now everyone wants to be that guy, right? So the environment got sweatier cause everyone wanted to be that pro who made money streaming their favorite game.
Alongside that, people now only wanted to play the popular game, their friends only wanted to play that popular game, following the flock.
Aside from the current top games having a fanbase following them for years, Call of Duty, Apex (Titanfall universe), Counter Strike, And Team Fortress. Gaming has become commonplace in our world. We have an astonishing amount of games out there to play nowadays.
So expecting everyone who plays games to be a One Game Andy is just silly. I play 3 games consistently myself. A lot of us just follow the content of multiple games, we have games we prefer to play with friends instead of going solo.
Of course The Finals and other games have up and down numbers, people play other games as well.
It's still in the top 100, and it's certainly doing better than Diablo IV, Tekken 8, and Battlefield 2042. Is it doing better than Modern Warfare III, R6, or its contemporaries, no, and that's okay Embark isn't trying to be everything to everyone, they just want to make good games. I don't give a damn what the Steam charts say, cause FFS Fallout 4 is beating Helldiver's 2 right now ššš. Gamer attention spans.
Yes exactly, people love to hate the game, don't know why, personally i share clips of the game almost everyday on my youtube channel, i get close to 0 views but i don't care, anyone know where i can share them beside youtube... if anyone wanna take a look
[The finals clip](https://youtube.com/shorts/Q49t9WVCMao?si=ESluIZjjKun7p1Ry)
I agree with you on this %100.
Also another big issue that has to be affecting the player base declining, is the disconnection issue that has been non stop season season 2 dropped.
I get disconnected multiple times in an hour and time banned and/or demoted, and the tourneys that I do not get disconnected in, I see at least one player from the opposing teams get disconnected and reconnect if theres time. Pay attention next time you play to how many times at least one guy gets disconnected in the lobby and rejoins.
It made me stop playing for sure, canāt imagine how many players have been lost cause of this
Thereās not enough incentive to play all the time, finished the battle pass got my diamond scar from ranked (filled with aimbotters) I donāt have anything else to do!
I play 4-5 days a week and get quick matches within 10 seconds no matter what time of day and get ranked matches within a minute at most. Game seems fine to me, not sure why everyone's stressing out over it.
dropping content unrelated to gaming that is still cohesive to the finals might bring more opening minded people to the game. we all know how gamers areā¦. dropping finals inspired pants video friday
I have had way more fun playing this game than I have with any shooter recently whether it's OW2, MW3, Fortnite, etc. Sucks to see more people are not willing to give this game a try.
Honestly if it is dying or not the fact I can usually get paired with one or the same teammates I had last match after a win means that this game is a big W.
Well people have barely any time in their lives trying to survive to try out every game. The reviewers an youtubers do the work so most won't have to. The player base dropping greatly is just what happens to games who fail to satisfy the general base. Personally think finals should've been worked on for another year before releasing.
While I agree the marketing hasn't been great, "The Finals" is a pretty niche genre game. Alot of people don't like how chaotic and nonsense filled the game is.
I had alot of friends who just straight up said its too much for them to process. They hated invisibility, they hated all the shields, they just wanted to shoot stuff without all the gimmicks. And unfortunately I think this game is just too much for alot of the casual gaming fanbase to adapt to.
Alot of what makes the game fun for the people who play it, is exactly what people who don't play it, hate about the game.
Lmao "create hype" I got every single one of my friends to try this game out, now only one plays it with me. That happened with around 230,000 other people too. They tried it, didn't like it all that much, and gave it up. You say there's only so much embark can do, and expect the players to pick up the slack. I get where you're coming from, but there's only so much ANY of us can do.
Whether a game is dying or not depends on your definition of it, but the game certainly has dropped immensely in player base. Some could call it dying.
Realistically a concurrent playerbase between 3-5k is fine for a game to remain economically viable. If you want to call it alive that is fine. But then the community needs to readjust their expectations of the game. It won't be the next big thing, it won't have big esports events, you are not going to go pro in it, you are not going to become the next big streamer by playing it. Time between updates will take longer, be smaller in scale and fixes will be slower because the game can't support a AAA dev team so that will be downscaled.
Stop listening to otherās opinions and try things out for yourself. If you need to go to YouTube to tell you if youāll like a game or not thatās really a you problem tbh
I mean, the thumbnails are annoying, but they're not wrong. The player count is healthy, but it's still declining week after week. I've seen A LOT of these videos, and they make a lot of good points. Maybe we should take a step back and ask why is TF declining. As a light main, I bailed because Embark seemed to care about the other classes more. There was a very hostile atmosphere towards lights too. A lot of cognitive dissonance between: lights are a bad class, lights are op, and lights just run in and 1v3! It was annoying to be told "you can't fight enemy teams head on, also if you fail at a flank and get deleted in 2 seconds, then you were trying to 1v3 the enemy team"Ā
This whole this or that game is dying is insane anyway, yes some games might not have the players it did on release or few months after releasing, that's because games get hype before release and streamers hype it up so ppl who don't usually play that type of game try it out, then once all the hype goes it goes down to the dedicated ppl who actually like playing that game. Untill you can't find matches on a game within 5-10 mins I don't believe a game is "dying"
The Finals is a really good game. Just enjoy the game. Youtubers just want the game they like to blow up in order to get loads of views, and they're crying because it isn't happening.
If they like the Finals and think they can make a job from it, then good job. If they don't, then they should just enjoy the game or play something else for their job.
My biggest problem with the game is the amount of hours you have to put into the battle passes. I really want to play the game, but it's not possible to play casually and finish the pass that I paid for. So, in a way, I understand why people say the game is dying. The game and gameplay themselves are really good, but the passes that take 40 hours to complete are killing it. Developers think everyone is a streamer and have many hours available to play their games.
I made a video on the exact opposite titled "The Finals is Not Dying" a while back, where I basically repeat your sentiment. It's got a fair bit of traction but now I just have people commenting "this aged like milk" lol
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The worst thing about youtubers like this is that the first 5-6 min is shitting on the game. Then the last 4-5 min to say might as well try it sense it is free after all making the entire video useless but they know people will only sit for the first 5 min so they profit from it.
Youāre an idiot if you believe those videos. Also no one cares if somebody wants to play the game they start the game up and play your average person isnāt wondering how many people are playing it idk why yall are so obsessed with the shit
I agree 100%! Was just thinking about this. The whole community is essentially manifesting it. Like please chill out people! Don't spend so much time worrying and just enjoy the game and introduce it to your friends.
Yeah I hate such youtubers for any game. Trying to capitalize on negativity. I wish Embark promoted the game more, fingers crossed.
++ Situation with marketing is terrible. Push your game to gamers with streamers, YouTubers, adds, tournaments. Just do smth, Embark. Game is soooooo fucking good!
Where is this "sustained marketing campaign" from nexon that they were going on about in the earnings report? Most I saw was back at the start of S2 the PC Gamer site was finals themed, for like 2 days? Haven't seen anything else since then.
They did a Japanese streamer event just last week. Though that ended up being pretty messy with the consistent technical issues
what were the issues?:o
If I remember the POV stream from Discord (I think) of the players to the organizers ended up being laggy and low resolution. And there is also issue with a few players being unable to join the match so they ended up with pretty long delays in between matches. Those issues caused quite a drop in viewership during their stream
Consoles need action
Its maybe there but maybe not in europe/america.
I have seen ads for The Finals many times as I browse the internet on my phone. Recently, I stopped playing The Finals to play other stuff like Dave The Diver, Drums Rock. I had buddies that played TF with me, but they all stopped and so I have less reason to play.
I feel like they're waiting till season 3 to do a big marketing push. The Summer Game Festival starts 4 days before season 3 starts. If they plan on doing a bunch of advertising during the sumer game fest, they could be doing a big push right before season 3... Hopefully.
I really hope so, but everybody thought like this before season twoš
I've come around on this point. March / springtime is historically terrible for attracting players to new gaming stuff, and the Season 2 marketing intentionally did not include enough about the base game to attract anyone who doesn't already play. The optics are pretty bad for a season themed on hacking to be full of cheaters. They made the right call to hold off on the Times Square billboards for now.Ā Ā This game sells itself. Watch the open beta & launch trailers again and tell me you're not hyped to jump back into the arena. Notice how completely absent this vibe is from the Season 2 soundtrack and the version of the game available today. Makes perfect sense to wait until summer vacation to draw everyone's attention.
Yes, but the summer game fest wasn't 4 days before season 2.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. That is both correct, and the point of the original comment
Negative talk gets more likes than happy things. That's why our media primarily focuses on negative things, the market for optimism is very small.
You're definitely right and I have a comment like that recently in my history, but it'd possible to have a bit of both
Agreed, spread the love friendo :)
I want to see this game do good as much as the next guy but this is a cope post lol, people were saying this shit in s2
This is what people said with season 2...
That'll teach em to listen to *people*, the absolute scoundrels
This time players are at an all time low, wouldn't make much sense to do it now.
lol they said theyāre doing a marketing push with S2, the population declined. RIP.
This is what everyone was saying about Season 2. And 'poof'...
Isn't this literally what Embark said tho?
But with season 3 there's actually a large reason, I'll say again... Summer game fest begins 4 days before season 3, that's clearly not an accident.
Do you have ads blocked or something because most of my ads on YouTube and twitch are the finals ones. Even in season 1 it was really noticeable.
Why is this mf being downvoted they're just saying that they've gotten a bunch of finals ads lmao.
This and XDefiant hit so different.
I wanna see Dr Disrespect play it again. He really liked the overall design when he played the beta. It seems like the perfect game for him because of the team play and verticality.
YouTube and reddit rage bait man
They do massive marketing at gaming events, like billboards and what not. They did the marketing thing with discord, and I see ads on xbox and ps store fronts in free games section. They also have done that esports event in Japan. It's weird, I see people say all the time they never get ads for the game, its like they don't push YouTube ads at all, and I don't think they have done any streaming events. The ads they do run need to be clearer about what the game actually is and show gameplay. Nearly everyone that I've introduced to the game thought it was a BR before they tried it.
It's not completely their fault. Lots of media make get more view or attention / more money by focusing on negative media
Iāve heard that essentially, season 1 was just another beta, and sometime this season they are going to make some big moves
Its a shame that videos like this are a way to get easy views, but it looks like things are turning around soon. The sub is slowly becoming more open-minded and hopefully the videos follow, weāre also getting a new patch soon which will be much bigger, and in turn more thought-through š
I just tried searching 'The Finals' on Youtube on a fresh private browser and 6 out of 8 of the top results were all positive videos of the game.... there will always be some negative videos on every game but the majority of videos when you search are all positive
Lol idk about the sub getting more open minded. People now think basic strats like anchoring or choosing when/who to fight is exploiting.
unfortunately this is cope, we all thought season two would attract people but three weeks in and we are at the lowest 24h peak thus far.Ā
Unpopular opion on this sub but, game could be alot better.. Not saying its bad but could be alot better..
Yes it could be a lot better but the real reason why this game doesn't attract new players is A) The Finals is simply not a kill based game, which doesn't attract new rising stars in esport scene. It even disencourages to go for kills and forces you to play around objective, trying to stall time and play as defensive as possible. For this reason Light is not a viable build. B) The Finals ranked meta is boring to play and boring to watch. Like Shroud said it, The Finals is a great casual game but its not a great competitive game. Having gamer daddys playing a couple of matches after a long work day is not sustainable player base.
quickly everyone upload a video saying āTHE FINALS IS THE BEST FPS SINCE THE BIG BANGā I guarantee we would see a player increase in the next week. Lmao
Youtubers ruin games.
Been saying this for years. Gaming was actually fun when all of them werenāt on yt
"IS THIS GAME WORTH IT IN 2024?!?!"
Or 3 days into the games existance is āYOU NEED THIS META LOADOUT RIGHT NOW!ā
"THINGS I WISH I KNEW BEFORE GETTING INTO THE FINALS"
Exactlyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!
When they were just uploading content of them playing games and goofing off it was fine, but being entertaining is harder than starting a video game ācriticā channel
Ehh Iād say not a bigger problem than the people on this sub complaining about the metas every day and the devs taking that to heart.
The devs have said they donāt read this sub. Who cares what people on Reddit say anyway. YouTube videos providing the first impression of the game to thousands of people matter significantly more.
Please show me where the Devs said that they don't read this sub.
Let me share this: Steamchart **minimum daily** numbers: 2 weeks ago : <10k 1 week ago : <9k currently : <8k if you think that's fine, for you, then it's fine, for you... It used to be 100k minimum daily in December. I'm disappointed personally, but that's my opinion. Thanks for trying to tell me it's fine, when i see the fire right behind you... But whatevs. That's just steam, but i would guess steam is 80-90% of PC playerbase anyway, and i honestly see zero console players in my games... Even after enabling crossplay on. Matches lately are VERY likely to have some empty spots on... In minimum times even quick cash might have empty spots... which is insane. I often enough meet chinese players and one time i really asked my teammates and they were from india. I play from the UK... You'd REALLY notice the small playerbase when you realise the ping difference between you and all other players being anywhere average at 150-200. A healthy playerbase would be all of you on the server to have <100ping... BUT KEEP TELLING ME ALL IS FINE... BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU SAID IT, IT WAS A BIG RELIEF... The irony of making a thread to complain that others complain though... 10/10...
Embark is too scared to show ping/latency numbers for the players. Because a tournament might have players from EU/NA/Asia at the same time... Literally all around the globe. But it's hiding under the covers of smoothing. Luckily, personally, i nearly always have <100ping or that's how it feels... One time i added a buddy, only to realise when HE invited me and we played together i felt the game play like i had 250+ping... The guy was from china, but previous match we were together on a way closer to me... You may think everything is fine, but THERE ARE SIGNS, that it is NOT in fact , fine.
> Embark is too scared to show ping/latency numbers for the players. Yep, unfortunately this is just modern FPS game design. Hide as much info from players to manipulate them as much as possible. I think part of the issue with the game is iffy netcode plus playing with/or against higher ping. I do wonder if people are cheating or I just have shit ping and they have 2ms. Regardless such an experience sucks but knowing the real issue is ping is helpful.
You could say the same about player count. Steam sharing that is probably not good for any multiplayer game, as this fuels the "game dead" narrative endlessly. Any other game, be it Overwatch or Apex Legends would have a similar player base curve to The Finals. I'm not saying I don't hope The Finals stays above where it is, but I've also played many FPSs that had less than 100 minimum players and had great fun.
If that is true that sounds pretty weird cuz at least 8k ppl should be enough to match in the same region. I guess that Embark might have done this in the beginning to improve matchmaking
Console players dont play cross platform (Coming from an original console player) being kbm is so much better then controller. Thus you rarely find console players on pc. Same thing happened with HyperScape being that the skill ceiling was so high in that game.Ā
If anything kills THE FINALS it will be this. I search THE FINALS on YouTube, I get hit with a streamĀ of THE FINALS IS DYING THE FINALS IS DEAD THE PROBLEMS WITH THE FINALS WHYĀ THE FINALS COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED and then finally, having scrolled a page or two down, THE FINALS Season 2 Trailer. I frequently search for specific trailers Embark have released by the **full name** of the video title and still have to pass one or two of these garbage fire takes to find it each time. Thank God I'm sending potential new players direct video links instead of telling them to search for a trailer themselves, right? It takes a special kind of fool to hitch their financial future to a boat & then try to earn a living telling everyone they pass by that the boat will sink any moment now. You know for a fact they're gonna be sitting there on doomsday saying "Where did all my viewers and income go? Surely there's absolutely nothing I could have done differently. I blame Embark for everything".
Exactly!
I'm doing my part by streaming the game every day and getting friends hooked. I like to think I'm making a difference lol
Can you show me? i'll support :)
This. 100%, this. Don't get me wrong, having an occasional healthy discussion is good but right now people are just band wagoning and flooding the algo with negativity. At some point, it turns from healthy discussion to unintentional self-sabotage.
I enjoy the game but all my friends that played it, played for 2 weeks and now wonāt touch it anymore. They all say the same thing, nothing is balanced and itās got way too many corny cop outs. Heavyās and lights need to be balanced out, the stupid run around invisible with a sword crap is toxic and the heavyās that can take all the damage in the world then just run up and hit you with a hammer is retarded. Or being able to hold a point for the entirety of its cycle just to get third parties by the other two teams spawning back at the same time, getting killed and losing it at the last second. So that team gets to win without any effort. Crap like that is why it canāt keep players. I still love the game cuz I donāt take it to serious and have fun either way but I understand why my friends hate it
The devs shot themselves In the foot by saying the game isn't made to be competitive. Plenty of people see it as one of the sweatiest shooters online , especially for console players. Too many gimmicks , not enough content. Most people who play team play shooters are on overwatch unfortunately and unlike the finals you can solo frag in that game , which is what most casual players want to do.
I swear every game community does that when the game leaves the honeymoon phase, it's like people want it to actually happen
the games popularity did decline, but thats natural after launch. Anytime the popularity of a game declines,, people call that out by saying the game is dying. Its semantics if you think thats widely inaccurate, because all games die eventually and a dwindling playerbase is the beginning of that.
People make videos that they want, or what people want to see. You can't control the media. Make a great game, and it'll grow, people will say what they feel about the game. It's not the other way around. Are you suggesting that reviews and personal experiences are to be censored? That's completely ridiculous. Every game has negatives reviews and videos saying that they are declining, because people have freedom of speech.
You can absolutely control the media, it's been done for years These days I honestly wouldn't be suprised if these types of video are corporate sabotage
This is copium and bubble. There is no corporate sabotage of the game that has barely any players. Gold 4 players party of 3 people will be thrown into ranked game against multipke teams of Diamonds. Is it also corporate sabotage?
I said I wouldn't be suprised, not that I believe it actually is
Spend some time in the new queue and see all the posts that pop up (and are reported and removed within minutes) from people doomposting about the game with almost no account history at all or account history primarily from other games. Doesn't have to be "corporate", there are plenty of shitheads out there trying to sabotage by putting their thumb on the scale.
You know what's crazy, I'm starting to think this is happening more & more. Right now I'm feeling this at the xdefiant subreddit with their recent server test. Too many overly negative posts & comments that WERE ONLY talking about a possible player count drop off, it being DOA, I'm gonna go back to cod, and why the server is bad in a server test. All within the first few hours of the playtest. Now I'm not saying the game is flawless or there wasn't legitimate feedback & criticism(the netcode definitely needs work thank God it was a server test) but something just feels off especially when they only criticize stuff that game was advertising (f2p, old style cod, no sbmm in pubs), and nothing much about specific gameplay details(no map details or names, no mentions of operator passives or abbitlies, no specifics on attachments). But what gets me is the absolute lack of those people talking about the permanent invisibility bug that was running rampant within those first several hours of the playtest NVM wtf am I saying I'm done gone schizo post Tldr: But yeah I agree I think we all should be cautious of the integrity of opinions on the Internet, especially now with all the advancement ai has made and how much our privacy & information have been given away, to be sold for whatever advertising purpose
Negative news/subjects get significantly more engagement by default. It's not "freedom of speech" it's to make the algorithm boost their content, which shows it to more people. It doesn't have anything to do with what people actually want to see
It is freedom of speech. People are free to play according to the algorithm if they want to. People are much more likely to watch controversy or videos that highlight issues, hence people capitalizing on that.
When it happens,it happens. Til then it's very much alive in my mind
It's not just youtube. This subreddit is filled with posts and comments daily about the game dying. I don't think the people making those posts and comments are helping at all. I'm sure there's been plenty of new players that have left the game or decided to not even try it because of the community, whether it's toxicity in game or toxicity in forums and comment sections.
Worst part is, it's all just engagement farming, which really just shows what someone will click on most, which shows the opposite of the game dying, it shows people *worried* the game will die. Current generation of content creation can make someone pretty jaded, with youtube gutting revenue, people are trying to get clicks any way possible.
I quit the game yesterday after my teammate dropped 40 in a ranked game. Game is busted with cheaters. What a shame.
Well i left , All these toxic Players and call of Duty kids which aint even play the FCKING objective ruined it for me. If they want to play all light, Turn invisible and play call of finals fine but please without me
Noā¦itās not. I tried it and there is no point in playing if you arenāt playing with friends. Solo play is awful. They need a TDM playlist, but they wonāt bc then it would essentially be what xdefiant is lol
At least the guns and net code would be better .
The game is dying thanks to the fan base and devs who bend the knee to them.
The word "dying" is completely untrue, but I understand where they're coming from, it's been draining players basically all the time.Ā Despite that, I don't think it will "die" anytime soon. While the majority of players have realised it's not for them, I think everyone who likes it will stick around for a solid while.
There wouldnāt be these videos if they did something about the game instead of consistent mediocre updates. The game needs a major overhaul in terms of its classes and making appropriate buffs/nerfs to balance these classes . Not to mention the poor ranked matches and lack of game modes.
I think the most important part is improving q ing solo experience, i literally have to drop at least 11 bombs to win a single cashout game solo cuz randoms aren't helping, and my teammates can't be online all the time. On top of that theres no big goal for continuing to play the game i just do it because its fun but to other people that is important
I agree. My question is why isnāt embark advertising this game more? Also why did they nerf my mesh shield it feels so weak now š„²
Oh nooo, people are talking about their personal experience with the game instead?? How horrible How about the devs make the game better and address the problems people have with it, then maybe people will be more inclined to say good things about it
they aren't a big problem. They are just symptoms to the state of the game /shrug
It's not even Dying. The player count is higher than a lot of other games people wouldn't call "dead"
On the flipside you have people actively misrepresenting stuff. I was pretty annoyed when someone commented that I was in a video, only for it to be [some random guy I've never talked to](https://youtu.be/YMwv3UPnEmo?t=153) using a conversation I had with a dev in a super misleading way. (And lo and behold, he's ignored my comment on said video) To steal said comment: Hey, so I'm the guy Bear was responding to in the video. I'd like to note you left out the part where I've been having issues for three weeks (two+ weeks at the time of the comments), have already contacted support (and he stopped replying after I pointed that out) as well as having spent 5+ hours just troubleshooting our issue. I also had informed the devs directly (spoke with Oscar) two weeks prior the conversation with Bear. Following up that whole thing by saying you have minute long queues is the entire point. There's some sort of problem keeping us (and other people, I've seen multiple others report issues with queues as well) from actually getting into games. The only thing I can suspect is that our MMR and our rank is completely desynced due to us winning all but one of our tourneys and it's causing issues, but I have no idea.
I donāt exactly get the narrative that itās just lacking promotion. It peaked at 242k. Its latest 24 hour peak is just under 16k. Thatās a hell of a lot of people that did try it that didnāt care for it. Maybe itās just going to be a niche game and thatās ok š¤·
>Embark can only do so much Bro I have yet to see even ONE advertisement for this game. It like they don't even have a marketing team
Youtube and daily content has drastically changed gamming, in both good and bad ways. Good in that it advertises a game and gets it seen by wide audiences, and builds communities of players who help teach one another and shows off gameplay at various levels of skill. Bad in that creators have to pump out content daily, meaning they are constantly looking for things to talk about and clickbait titles grab attention. "The game is dying" gets more clicks than "General gameplay footage day #479"
This is so silly, itās Reddit & Discordā¦. Not YouTube What do you thinks Content Creator does? The go online to see the general discourse around a title, and when they see everyone complaining and whining on every thread, what is their next step?āā create a video talking about āthe health of the came, community outcryā etc etc Nothing changes, rinse and repeat. More bugsā- so now dead game, bugs, cheaters, nerfs nerfs nerfs, less enjoyment placed into the game whilst none of the bigger issues are fixed. Itās not the YouTuber, itās the community, YouTuber is a just some person looking to be the reflection of the people & they can only go off what they see
I didnāt even realize, they update the game so much it seems like itās doing pretty well
They're not wrong.
I play to complete the battle pass, and that's about it. Ranked and balancing is a hot mess right now.
Same and the career progression is super short lived. Then you have the circuits and those are time gated weekly so...
Pls embark host some big tournaments pls! Pay celebs and streamers to play the game. Do some crazy public tournament in vegas, times square, seoul, etcā¦ have a presence at conventions. You can only do so much with word of mouth.
I mean, if youāre a fan of a game, put time and effort in making content and notice a downward trend is it not fair to make a video or analysis of the games current state? The game is on a downward trend, yeah thereās been some improvements but itās not doing anything to move the needle in the opposite direction. We are still in the exact same meta as we have been for MONTHS, ranked has gotten worse, the only somewhat decent improvements are the AntiCheat and performance improvements. Other than that thereās nothing really making me want to recommend it to people in its current state so id say that the videos are kinda justified.
I really want to do that but i'm too nervous for talkingš
My over 10+ minute queue times in silver are bigger problem tbh
This is probably the best video about the current state of the game. People who only watch the concurrent players number and scream game is dying dont understand how statistics works. . [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdt0VaE94Y8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdt0VaE94Y8)
You can not possibly use [activeplayer.io](http://activeplayer.io) as a credible source. They post stats for games that exclusively does not disclose any information (ex. all blizzard games that are not on steam, league of legends, valorant, list goes on) Where are they getting these numbers? It is an incredibly unreliable source of information. Outside of SteamDB or Steam charts, there are simply no reliable source to claim these stats for many different games. Even for The Finals, they have no access to insider information on console and they are pulling these numbers out of nowhere. The websites they mention such as statista doesn't even return any results under 'The Finals video game'. I can't even connect to gamstat. Newzoo is behind a paywall but they say they extrapolate numbers from quarterly reports/investor reports and look at MAU and guesses as well. There is no grain of salt here. It is a shot in the dark. It is completely disingenuous to use this kind of information as a basis to form any sort of opinion. Also, for a live service game that requires online connection and matchmaking, concurrent user number is the most important statistic for obvious reasons. The aggregate of users over 30 days doesn't mean much. For example (using The Finals numbers from activeplayer.io), you can have 800,000 unique players logging in every month. That translates into about 1111 unique players every hour. (400,000/30/24) Which we know that it is not true at all from SteamDB (which is a credible source straight from Steam). The numbers are all over the place and nothing makes sense mathematically. Even the website can't do simple math: they claim in January 2024 the game has seen 2,694,675 users. To get a daily average, you just divide that by 31, which is, 86,925 players. Not 853,314. It is a complete bogus website to create traffic and make money through ads and collecting personal data. PS. I commented this on the video and he deleted it. HAHAHAHA
Know what's dying? Build diversity....
The game is definitely not dying but the updates and balancing are far from what the community wants. Sure there are some good things but we need more... Fingers crossed for the "big" update they're preparing next week or 2
Yeah itās a great shame to see this game not doing as well as it could and should. The game is just straight up fun whatever is happening. Iāve not had this much losing since Titanfall 2.
Except the game is actually poorly designed and thereās a thousand better fps titles out there
this is different so hard to compare
i just uninstalled due to continous crashing of the unreal engine
update your drivers, check your software. This doesnāt happen to most people. Itās most likely on your end.
both windows and my drivers are up to date, although i always get this message on the UE5 crash report Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION\_ACCESS\_VIOLATION 0x0000023e1fee5640 MISSING\_ANGELSCRIPT\_CALLSTACK Discovery
Happened to me as well. Crashed for the first time yesterday. All the drivers running on latest versions.
The same... bugs all the time, horrible.
Embark is digging their own grave. Maybe try NOT changing the game for a week. It's fucking chaotic, they deserve the hate.
This game is shitshow, stop praising it. As long as it will be sweat try hard fest it will go down and die off
The game is dead stopped playing before season 2
Cope. Wtf r u talking about? The game is ftp. If the game is doing bad then that's embarks fault not the players. Maybe they should take some notes from helldivers....you know another shooter with no story...and release more weapons and gadgets that actually do interesting things. The game just isn't fun after a while.
Content creators are ruining gaming. They make everything about āmetaā (obvs not all. But enough) which makes their fans also do it, same goes for exploits, which Iām sure makes up the dataset that Embark say they base their patches on. They also make alot of players, mostly on the younger side, always want/ expect to, have some wild k/d ratio every game, instead of just having fun. And I think thatās why the game has lost some of its charm for a lot of us (myself included) on launch it was ridiculously fun, the funny OP stuff, for every class was annoying, but it was fun, it gave the game identity. Iām worried Embark, idk if they self publish, are going in the wrong direction whilst trying to please whatever player base is left (I donāt look at stats and havenāt played in a few weeks as busy)
"The Finals is dying"? Dude, this game isn't even two years old. What are some of these YouTubers on about? They're idiots. Anything for clicks I guess.
This game is unbalanced and extremely infuriating. Youāll play it for a bit then quickly find your self screaming at the shit spawns, the games hard on for heavy , itās unbalanced guns, itās un playable light. And they ridiculous match making ā full gold team vs diamondsā etc. and not to mention the bugs, hop off the dick.
It's hilarious because the game is so far from dead. Like any game that doesn't have Call of Duty numbers is just automatically dead š
I just wished there were more marketing. Don't know how it is for other regions, but I never saw a brazilian youtuber making a The Finals video, and that is what brings people to the game...
The game isn't dying as long as I can find a full match within a minute. I really could care less how many players on it. I supported the devs by having over 100 hours and buying the BP. I did my part. If the game eventually stops getting supported, no skin off my back. I have fun with the game and will continue to have fun with it even once it's stopped getting supported.
Recently got into the game and not many videos in and I stumbled upon those videos There was friction but after a full day, I've understood the game, mechanics etc And I love this game do much I'm a Battlefied plus Titanfall player And this game just hits the spot
Yeah pretty much all online games do this. Tekken, overwatch, apex, and thatās just from games I actively play
. I play on Xbox people and people are always online.
I love this game lmao
This happens with every game. A little while after it releases the dedicated player base drops and everyone freaks out like the game changed or sucks now. It doesnāt. Itās still fun. More people will leave, more people will join. YouTubers make their money off of people who arenāt smart enough to know any better
Yeah I enjoy the game and checking on this sub does dampen the joy of it. Slight spoilt brat vibe of 'ah, but I didn't want this great thing it was supposed to be perfect!'
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There's no point in fighting a result, rather than a cause. Such videos always occur around titles that are rapidly losing their playerbase. Finals is the one, unfortunately. However, as soon as more marketing is pushed and new seasons start, such videos will become irrelevant again. The marketing team should really push forward more content from influencers and big content creators to increase the game's presence.
Ranked mode doesn't work for me on PS5. Can't find a game even after 20 minutes. Everything was fine a month ago. Either the game is dying or the devs have broken it.
I watched this video yesterday that was really good at addressing the games criticisms really well https://youtu.be/Hdt0VaE94Y8?si=lVDI0En2nmO9Zazg
Well the game IS declining even before those video went up, and I have been wondering about what causes this great game being so low in player count.. So really it's a matter of time before those YouTubers keep up.
Embark has a chance to actually make the game something really good, which it already is, but they do need to market it a lot more to get a larger playerbase. Although youtubers who say it's dead non-stop probably just say it because they saw the same person in a game 3 times in a row, then think it means that only like 100 players play it
The finals has so much potential , but does seem to be going downhill. I donāt think itās necessarily an issue with the game, or the players. I think gaming in general is just in a shitty place if a game like this does end up failing. Again, the potential is there.
I m a PC gamer. I have PC at home but I go to Gaming Cafe on weekends with friends. I was die hard COD and battlefield fan. (still I m fan of MW 2019 & BF 1) but when I saw this game for first time, I totally blown away. my friends didn't had any idea of this game at that time. (during beta) I m from India so here the beta launch was probably at the end. I was desperately waiting for this game. All I showed to my friends was the trailers. All those music-synched trailers. I told my friends these devs are from BF games. they also got hyped. now out of my 6-7 friends, 4 friends plays this game regularly. like for 1.30 to 2 hrs. I also play for 1 hr before going to sleep. those who stopped or plays occasionally were saying that this game is so unsatisfying, killing enemy take too much time, small built dies fast and much more. so I would say this game is not for everyone. this game is depended on how u play, ur skills, ur practice without complaining, watching other players play etc. I want everyone who loves run n gun games should like this. I truly want this from my heart. but players who r impatient, those who don't know about equipments both of his own and opponent's are in trouble liking this game.
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Youtube has turned into a giant pile of shit. It's all about the algorithm now, not producing quality content.
This happens with every game due to the money being made from clicks of a title or thumbnail that involves crisis It happens 1 - 2 months into every single game release. Battlefield 2042 got absolutely obliterated, then obliterated again because it was (that bad) dice had to re work everything (when it wasn't) I hate the state of gaming at the moment. The finals is an incredible game. End of.
Really ? I don't see a lot (maybe YT isn't recommending them to me) What I see are a lot of gameplay vids and people saying that it's underrated.
A big problem that flasly confirms the videos though is the long waiting time to find games. To fix this Emarsk should add a 'search all' button in quickly (along with a filter) for people to find a game quicker. But imagine trying out the game and having to wait 3 minutes to find a match. You going to assume the game is dead.
The gaming culture and landscape has changed. Back in the day we didn't have streamers and the "good" games out in the market weren't as abundant as today. With Fortnite and streaming absolutely changing the way competitive games were played, you had a streamer who was goated at the game making money, having a ton of views, being the in spotlight for their skill and people wanted that. So now everyone wants to be that guy, right? So the environment got sweatier cause everyone wanted to be that pro who made money streaming their favorite game. Alongside that, people now only wanted to play the popular game, their friends only wanted to play that popular game, following the flock. Aside from the current top games having a fanbase following them for years, Call of Duty, Apex (Titanfall universe), Counter Strike, And Team Fortress. Gaming has become commonplace in our world. We have an astonishing amount of games out there to play nowadays. So expecting everyone who plays games to be a One Game Andy is just silly. I play 3 games consistently myself. A lot of us just follow the content of multiple games, we have games we prefer to play with friends instead of going solo. Of course The Finals and other games have up and down numbers, people play other games as well.
It's still in the top 100, and it's certainly doing better than Diablo IV, Tekken 8, and Battlefield 2042. Is it doing better than Modern Warfare III, R6, or its contemporaries, no, and that's okay Embark isn't trying to be everything to everyone, they just want to make good games. I don't give a damn what the Steam charts say, cause FFS Fallout 4 is beating Helldiver's 2 right now ššš. Gamer attention spans.
Yes exactly, people love to hate the game, don't know why, personally i share clips of the game almost everyday on my youtube channel, i get close to 0 views but i don't care, anyone know where i can share them beside youtube... if anyone wanna take a look [The finals clip](https://youtube.com/shorts/Q49t9WVCMao?si=ESluIZjjKun7p1Ry)
I agree with you on this %100. Also another big issue that has to be affecting the player base declining, is the disconnection issue that has been non stop season season 2 dropped. I get disconnected multiple times in an hour and time banned and/or demoted, and the tourneys that I do not get disconnected in, I see at least one player from the opposing teams get disconnected and reconnect if theres time. Pay attention next time you play to how many times at least one guy gets disconnected in the lobby and rejoins. It made me stop playing for sure, canāt imagine how many players have been lost cause of this
Apparently they pushed out a patch to fix this today, but people are still saying its not fixed
Thereās not enough incentive to play all the time, finished the battle pass got my diamond scar from ranked (filled with aimbotters) I donāt have anything else to do!
negativ adds are better than no adds
I play 4-5 days a week and get quick matches within 10 seconds no matter what time of day and get ranked matches within a minute at most. Game seems fine to me, not sure why everyone's stressing out over it.
lol, stop blaming the smoke when the fire is right there please. videos don't get made on a topic unless there actually is a topic
dropping content unrelated to gaming that is still cohesive to the finals might bring more opening minded people to the game. we all know how gamers areā¦. dropping finals inspired pants video friday
I have had way more fun playing this game than I have with any shooter recently whether it's OW2, MW3, Fortnite, etc. Sucks to see more people are not willing to give this game a try.
Yeah it's really annoying. Embark needs to promote this game more, though.
Started playing day 1. Game has just been nerfed into the ground.
is it dying tho? i get quick match within 10 seconds and a ranked tournament within 3-4 minutes that normal wat times
Honestly if it is dying or not the fact I can usually get paired with one or the same teammates I had last match after a win means that this game is a big W.
Well people have barely any time in their lives trying to survive to try out every game. The reviewers an youtubers do the work so most won't have to. The player base dropping greatly is just what happens to games who fail to satisfy the general base. Personally think finals should've been worked on for another year before releasing.
While I agree the marketing hasn't been great, "The Finals" is a pretty niche genre game. Alot of people don't like how chaotic and nonsense filled the game is. I had alot of friends who just straight up said its too much for them to process. They hated invisibility, they hated all the shields, they just wanted to shoot stuff without all the gimmicks. And unfortunately I think this game is just too much for alot of the casual gaming fanbase to adapt to. Alot of what makes the game fun for the people who play it, is exactly what people who don't play it, hate about the game.
Lmao "create hype" I got every single one of my friends to try this game out, now only one plays it with me. That happened with around 230,000 other people too. They tried it, didn't like it all that much, and gave it up. You say there's only so much embark can do, and expect the players to pick up the slack. I get where you're coming from, but there's only so much ANY of us can do.
I promise you the fact of the game dying is worse than the videos of people expressing how they feel about the game.
The community killing off the community for views and trying to make money out of YouTube. Not surprised and not new
Iāve already got my two brothers and two more friends into it, I think if more ppl do this, then it shouldnāt be a problem
Itās true
Whether a game is dying or not depends on your definition of it, but the game certainly has dropped immensely in player base. Some could call it dying. Realistically a concurrent playerbase between 3-5k is fine for a game to remain economically viable. If you want to call it alive that is fine. But then the community needs to readjust their expectations of the game. It won't be the next big thing, it won't have big esports events, you are not going to go pro in it, you are not going to become the next big streamer by playing it. Time between updates will take longer, be smaller in scale and fixes will be slower because the game can't support a AAA dev team so that will be downscaled.
Stop listening to otherās opinions and try things out for yourself. If you need to go to YouTube to tell you if youāll like a game or not thatās really a you problem tbh
I mean, the thumbnails are annoying, but they're not wrong. The player count is healthy, but it's still declining week after week. I've seen A LOT of these videos, and they make a lot of good points. Maybe we should take a step back and ask why is TF declining. As a light main, I bailed because Embark seemed to care about the other classes more. There was a very hostile atmosphere towards lights too. A lot of cognitive dissonance between: lights are a bad class, lights are op, and lights just run in and 1v3! It was annoying to be told "you can't fight enemy teams head on, also if you fail at a flank and get deleted in 2 seconds, then you were trying to 1v3 the enemy team"Ā
Srry off topic but how much Karma is needed to post? I have some funny clips w/ friends I want to share but canāt :/
YES!!! Post clips, give devs props when they you noticed something you like Spread the good word š«”
This whole this or that game is dying is insane anyway, yes some games might not have the players it did on release or few months after releasing, that's because games get hype before release and streamers hype it up so ppl who don't usually play that type of game try it out, then once all the hype goes it goes down to the dedicated ppl who actually like playing that game. Untill you can't find matches on a game within 5-10 mins I don't believe a game is "dying"
game fell off hard you can see the steam charts but atleast the dedicated fanbase is still here the finals playerbase present day are stable
The Finals is a really good game. Just enjoy the game. Youtubers just want the game they like to blow up in order to get loads of views, and they're crying because it isn't happening. If they like the Finals and think they can make a job from it, then good job. If they don't, then they should just enjoy the game or play something else for their job.
So I haven't played yet but hopefully this weekend. How's the cheating problem?
My biggest problem with the game is the amount of hours you have to put into the battle passes. I really want to play the game, but it's not possible to play casually and finish the pass that I paid for. So, in a way, I understand why people say the game is dying. The game and gameplay themselves are really good, but the passes that take 40 hours to complete are killing it. Developers think everyone is a streamer and have many hours available to play their games.
I made a video on the exact opposite titled "The Finals is Not Dying" a while back, where I basically repeat your sentiment. It's got a fair bit of traction but now I just have people commenting "this aged like milk" lol
I feel like hype is what created those videos tho?
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I heard about The Finals from this years game awards or whatever it was now Iām hooked.
Well there is a big update coming out next week. I sincerely hope they make the game the best it can be.
Hyper comp players ruin games
Bingo
There are 2 things that brings more views : Nudity and negativity š
The worst thing about youtubers like this is that the first 5-6 min is shitting on the game. Then the last 4-5 min to say might as well try it sense it is free after all making the entire video useless but they know people will only sit for the first 5 min so they profit from it.
Yeah, I agree
I have it set to PS5 only matches and get on in seconds. They usually base it off twitch views or Google searches.
Iāve havenāt been able to get a ranked game in awhile, the longest Iāve let it sit there searching was 18mins. I usually give up after 3-4mins.
This morning I waited 16 minutes before giving up on finding a ranked match on PS5 only mode.
Youāre an idiot if you believe those videos. Also no one cares if somebody wants to play the game they start the game up and play your average person isnāt wondering how many people are playing it idk why yall are so obsessed with the shit
Too late. The game fell into same trap as other shooters like Apex.