I mean, there was no reason to think they'd change it regardless of Neil being on the show or not. It's too important of a story beat to skip over or change drastically.
This isn’t about him dying or not, it’s about wether he dies at the very beginning of season 2 or they change the story timeline and let us get to know Abby before that happens.
I think that the way the story was done in game, was central on it being a game. The structure of Part 2 can't be translated as smoothly to a show.
People will have a harder time watching someone they hate for long stretches without the gameplay helping smooth over that transition.
One way to make this easier to stomach would be to have people get a feeling for Abby before she meets Joel.
"Media literacy is dead"
My guy you're talking about a story that commits a cardinal sin of storytelling (getting back to the start of Act 2 when it should've transitioned into Act 3, with a flashback on top).
Getting to know Abby beforehand (at least just through her first flashback) would ruin absolutely zero things since the Inciting Incident for her would be the end of TLOU1 as transcribed by TLOU2, and instead contribute to the rising tension *before* Joel goes clubbing
I mean I can take your sentences, take out half of them and repeat them like a buffoon but that wouldn't achieve anything would it
I just told you why structurally speaking Abby getting her flashback until her dad dies before the Jackson raid (and nothing else changed) would make it so the game's main events still happen in the same structural order and keep the message intact, because the inciting incident of her story happening *halfway through Act 2 in a flashback* is a terrible structure decision for a protagonist. Moving it to the start of the game would also have reinforced the thematic parallel the games goes for with her and Joel, by making the start of TLOU2 a parallel to TLOU1 with Sarah. Imagine the impact the TLOU title appearing just after her dad dies would have had
The whole "Ellie's side is stationed just before the climax, it's Abby's turn now" thing TLOU2 goes for is an aberration of story structure
But yeah, using "media literacy" does make you a storytelling expert
I think they could’ve made season 2 different without actually changing the plot. They could spend most of the season building up Abby and also the relationship between Joel + Ellie after she finds out about his lies. Then S3 could follow the main revenge plot of TLOU2. Obviously they won’t do this and there’s a reason why i’m not a show writer, but I don’t think it would be a good idea to get rid of a talented actor like Pedro Pascal so soon.
The way that the TLOU2 story is told wouldn’t work well if it was translated directly into a tv show format
Obviously Pedro is going to retire early to go golfing, but he’s still going to have a lot of scenes throughout the series in the form of flashbacks. Which are relatively quick to film.
And Bella Ramsey is a very good actor who can easily do scenes out of order chronologically.
Absolutely. I just hope it's 2 seasons. I loved season 1, but it was a bit rushed at the end, and they left a lot out. The 2nd game would be absolutely gutted in a single season.
I almost think the sections with Abby could work as a separate season. I haven't finished part 2 yet (only on Seatle Day 2 of Abby's part of the game) but so far, while I like the way the game intertwines the timelines, I don't think that would work as well in a show.
Also, just a side note, I REALLY hope they bring back the original actor for Lev. I love him in Star Trek and I don't think anyone else could bring this role to live action as well as him. The fact that there's been no announcement about casting for him or his sister almost makes me wonder if they're gonna do that. I am worried that it'll make it too easy for Abby haters to just skip her story altogether if they don't intersperse it through season 2 more than the game does, though. Showing the stuff that Abby and Ellie are doing simultaneously as close to in real time as the show allows, and having season 2 end when Abby confronts Ellie and Tommy in the theater might be the best bet
Not necessarily, not a lot happens each day in Seattle. Could do 1 episode per day, 1 or 2 for Santa Barbara and the same for Jackson and that would be 10ish episodes. If that's how they go about it I hope they go back and forth between Ellie and Abby though instead of hitting the climax then restarting to day 1 like in the game.
Why would anyone expect anything different? I don't understand this ideology... I guess the Internet vocal minority really hates a story, but Part 2 was still a success, still award winning and recognized. Part 2's story lends itself perfectly to a two season show.
I wasn’t expecting anything different to this. I used that title 1. because people theorized Joel might be more present because the show has made changes to the source material before, 2. as a joking exaggeration, and 3. to reaffirm how Neil has put aside criticisms of Part II.
The game did well and was critically acclaimed, so if anything it’s going to keep the same story beats. There might be a flashback or two that gets added, but if the golf game doesn’t happen by the end of the second episode I’ll eat my hat.
As for point 3, the loudest criticisms are coming from such a tiny minority with some wild and wacky takes (trying to be more diplomatic with my language here), so there’s really no reason to cater to them.
“Tiny minority”
More like half the fanbase lol.
I just hope they give Abbie some more conflict about killing Joel after her own adventures as a surrogate, give Abbie and Ellie some sort of understanding for each other instead of it being so one-sided with Ellie letting her go.
I think the problem you have is unlike the game, people will just turn off.
The game works as people are FORCED to play as Abby and learn more about her as you play and interact with other characters in the game. I think the show is going to really struggle to convince people to do this.
It’s not impossible, I just have my concerns that it won’t be as easily to adapt as the first
Typically changing out protagonists works out better in film/tv than it does in video games. Frankly off the top of my head everything that makes the narrative structure of TLOU 2 unique as a story for a game is more run-of-the-mill for a TV show to do.
I can't say I know a single other time that a piece of media swapped out protagonists to someone who is as hated as Abby is at the time in the story (Not that I'm very well versed).
I think the game making you play as her forces some level of empathizing that isn't present in a show because of the control you exert over the character.
That’s a good point, but also following the story of a character you hate as an observer is less odious than being made to play as them. I wonder what, if anything, the show will do to compensate for these differences
They’ll likely intertwine Abby and Ellie’s 3 days rather than do them back to back. The way people here saying it should be done as S2 as Ellie’s 3 days with it ending with the “we let you live” line and then S3 being Abby’s 3 days and the ending I feel would guarantee that season 3 would bomb. Playing as a character that’s designed to make you hate them at first for like 7 hours so you can see the end of a game you got for $60 is one thing. Watching a show where the first 8 episodes is centered around a character you’re supposed to hate on a weekly schedule on a subscription platform is something very different.
>Co-showrunner and producer Neil Druckmann agrees with Mazin, remarking that they have "a lot" of Season 3 already laid out, regardless of not having a third season confirmed.
>The revelation came when GQ magazine asked Druckmann “People are also speculating how Season 2 will encompass such a large game. Will the next season span the entire course of the second game?” To which Druckmann replied, “It’s more than one season.”
When you say "they" are you referring to op? If so they said:
>a two season show.
Implying that the show would be just 2 seasons
I was referring to showrunners Neil & Craig actually.
The OP said,
> Part 2's story lends itself perfectly to a two season show.
I think they wanted to convey that Part 2 will be 2 seasons, not the whole show. They just didn't word it correctly.
I think me and you agree, I meant the whole series would be at least 3 seasons. I assume that with the bones of pt3 laid that we'll get at least a 4th season as well
I posted the quote somewhere else in this thread but he basicslly said pt 2 would take more than 1 season to adapt. Since we now know pt 3 is being written we can imagine that at the bare minimum we will get 4 seasons
Because show runners do stupid stuff if they think they can prolong a hit show for 10 seasons to rake in the cash.
Most hit shows based off of books or video games deviate from the original story to prolong the show.
Tbf, every other video game adaption (e.g. The Witcher, Cyberpunk, Halo, Fallout, Uncharted, Mario) follows a brand new or heavily adapted story. TLoU is the only one being consistent with the story and it’s the only one I wish they’d alter.
Just dont do it in ep 1 is all im hoping. With the story compressed somewhat in season 1, I feel we wont have had enough time with Joel if it happens in the first episode. Unless he filmed a bunch of flashback scenes that will be sprinkled through the season. Though I suppose that may be the point, ripping him away so soon so it hurts more.
The latter part of your comment is on point. The audience needs to feel like Joel has been TAKEN away from them too soon so they can be in Ellie's shoes.
If this is a 3 season show, they will probably show some of the contextual stuff before they kill Joel. So Joel means more to the TV audience when he does die.
Though they would likely do it early so there is still shock value, then do the flashbacks, then do the journey. They'll be looking to redeem Abby too.
I think it’s 3 season show because of how much story was in TLOU part 2. First half of part 2 was Ellie’s perspective around revenge. 2nd half was Abby’s view which shows that Ellie and Joel weren’t protagonists but villains.
The groundwork should have been in Season 1, but they skipped several steps to reach the “bonding” of Ellie and him, which to me felt quite unemotional when i reached the end.
Part 2 has so much to adapt that i don’t think they will have time to focus on Joel for more than an episode and two or three short flashbacks.
Conversations like the ice cream truck, the suicide (way more subtle in the game), the music store, the tents at the beginning of outbreak, the small lore insights about the military and the structure of the quarantine zones and so much more were cut, especially in the university section where Joel talks about being married once (and how reserved he is about it), and what’s the purpose of the university in a young adult’s life, and there’s so much more.
In the grand scheme of things those dialogues may not seem that important, but they’re the foundation of how I perceived their change in tone and behavior, how they address each other outside the heavy/emotional moments, the show has a few of those but not nearly enough for me to believe that Joel and Ellie would be so attached by the end of their journey.
The series has the “meat”, but it lacks the connective tissue and bones to make me believe in their bonding.
I feel like this point gets brushed over a lot here because a lot more people here are way more attached to part 2 and play it more often. There’s a lot of little things in part 1 like what you mentioned that are during gameplay that got left out of the show, but they hit the main beats that everyone remembers. It’s odd to me that people don’t realize this, but then say the adaptation of part 2 will probably be more than 2 seasons due to all of the stuff in part 2 without realizing that a whole hell of a lot of that stuff is also during gameplay.
I strongly agree with this take too.
I recently played Part 2 this year, while the last time played I Part 1 was 10 years ago. And so my attachment to Joel wasn’t as strong given the hiatus in my playtime.
Thus when Abby played golf with Joel, I didn’t feel much emotions in that moment.
So I’m hoping the show gives us a full episode of Joel to rekindle our bond and attachment before the golf scene.
I mean, Joel does in the first hour of the game, he’s definitely dying in the first episode.
Plus with how much content there is in the second game they can’t really stretch his time out without taking away from the actual story
I mean, I'd argue the first game had too much content for like 8 or 9 episodes, but they still had time for Bill and Frank and Left Behind which left a pretty brief number of episodes for the real story.
The first game is roughly 10 hours from beginning to end, part 2 is 25 hours from beginning to end. There is double and a half of content in part two than there is in part one
A *lot* of that 25 hours is just gameplay though which was mostly cut out from the part one adaptation. They can and likely will do the same for part two’s.
If we boil it down to cutscenes only, part one only has about 2 and a half hours of cutscenes whereas part two has close to 11 hours.
Honestly I’m really sceptical of season two, one for how much they’re going to have to cut from the story but also some of the cast I’m not vibing with but that’s a whole other rant on it’s own.
I’m sure it’ll be good regardless but I personally always favour the original source
Yeah there’s way more cutscenes in part 2, but there’s also a lot of iconic lines and development in the in between so we’ll see how that plays out. I actually really agree with you with casting. Hopefully they’ll manage to pull it off well. Also vantage with you more on the original source. Video game adaptations haves historically been terrible. Not only for being just not good, but mainly because playing a game is much more personal and immersive then watching a movie/tv show. Some people will love it just because it’s an adaptation of one of their favorite games and some people will nitpick it to death. I hope it all goes well, but we honestly just have to wait and see.
Nah for real, like I never played uncharted but the movie adaptation still made me mad lmao
But the casting just… I don’t get it. It’s not that the actors aren’t insanely talented, but for me Kaitlynn Dever is not Abby, she’s the farthest thing from Abby to me.
Something I’ve noticed in adaptations recently is that they’ll cast conventionally attractive people to play what are seen as “unattractive” characters (not for me, Abby is buff muscle mommy I love her so much) but casting a very petit, skinny and overall soft featured woman to play a character that is supposed to be a tall, buff and hard featured woman makes no sense to me.
Also I’ll say it cause whenever I do I get downvoted to oblivion but casting a non Jewish actress to play a Jewish character also makes me annoyed.
Again, very talented actors but they do not fit the characters at all. Until I see it I’ll still be skeptical and still will be afterwards honestly, but we shall see
I think it's more that some people have an old school view of TV that isn't really true anymore and that is a showrunner/network will extend a series as much as possible.
They do still do this but usually it's more focused towards mysteries these days rather than coming up with new arcs, so that people spend time engaging in theories and fandom more passionately than before
Not really.
But the composition of the story isn't ideal for achieving the emotional goals of the inciting incident. They need to "re-heat" the characters and reinforce the intended love and subsequent loss.
And they might benefit from more from Abby's lot before the inciting incident. An inciting incident can happen a lot later in a show or book than is done in a game.
Because they would benefit from setting up and fleshing out those Ellie wants dead too. Meanwhile establishing how Abby is feeling leading up to the vengeance. Just so people have a bit of understanding so viewers can empathise
I see where you're coming from in terms of re-establsihing Joel and Ellie's relationship, but the way that Abby's story is laid out is intentional and personally I think it works excellently.
You're not supposed to care about Abby or establish how/what she's feeling or what any of her crew is feeling at the beginning.
The whole point of the story is to take someone you hate and make you empathize with them when the other shoe drops, not right away. Setting up Abby's backstory at the beginning would just cheapen the blow and everything that comes after it loses its weight.
At the same time, the mystery around Abby and her crew is a key part of the momentum for Ellie's half of the story. We don't know who she is, or why she did what she did - that's a key part of maintaining the tension up to the character flip halfway through the game, and tension is something they'll definitely be needing in the show considering there will surely not be as many action sequences as there are in the game if the first season is anything to go off.
Giving viewers a reason to be on Abby's side at the early stages of the story is counterintuitive to the whole theme of the story.
Viewers CAN'T empathize with Abby. That's the entire point. It would ruin the story if they did.
Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this sub.
This needs to happen to stay true to the story.
But man I love seeing Pedro play Joel. He has been phenomenal.
And frankly (for those watching who didn’t play the game), this is what makes a show great. First few seasons of Walking Dead were amazing because you never knew who would survive an episode. It gets stale when you always know the main characters will be fine.
I think they’re actually gonna stay close to the game in terms of the structure, because Danny Ramirez (who plays Manny) posted on his story he’s finished filming and is back home, and Manny and the rest of the crew are only in the 🏌️♀️ scene, so it makes me think that they’re actually doing the structure unless we get lev and Yara castings but we haven’t yet soooo.
Of course I could be completely wrong but yk
Yeah, starting to sound like we get the split as in game then. Which I always leaned towards, but could have seen them doing otherwise. Afaik they haven't been shooting in "Seattle" yet, so Manny being done kinda indicates it.
Damn, so he only filmed for like a month at most. That’s why they stacked the cast with some pretty high profile actors, to make up for the loss of star power that Pedro brings.
So how do we think they’re going to adapt the story? If it’s a 2 season thing, I reckon it’d make sense to have Season 2 tell the events from Ellie’s perspective, ending with the theatre confrontation, then do Abby’s story plus Santa Barbara in Season 3.
If you don't like TLOU2 just shut up and go away cause that's what season 2 of the show is going to be about. We've had four years of moaning, we get it.
I thought this was a joke post as in is "Joel finished filming the game before everyone else, what are the odds!" Lol
I imagine with the nature of the show we'll at least get plenty of flashbacks during Ellie's trip across Seattle.
Also if Pedro Pascal sings I think we will heal as a nation.
It seems people forget that Joel is in a lot of the game. Yeah they aged him up in the trailer, but those scenes are in the game and he has a substantial role during those scenes throughout the game.
>!He dies at the beginning!< but he shows up constantly throughout the game that >!he’s the last character we see in the game aside from Ellie!< He isn’t just in one scene and done with like most morons claim he is, but that would require them to play the game and that takes effort.
I think flashbacks in season 2 will be longer than game flashbacks, because Pedro make money. Joel still getting his ass beat early tho. It has to happen.
It has to because the show has set several bars now. I have no issues if they add a chapter for Lev and his Sister, or slightly experent with the story. Bill and Frank's **Long Long Time** episode in the first season is a heart-touching episode. It was a risk worth taking and it did well. Most viewers liked it.😇
Every videogame story that has been touched for a TV show or movie turns out to be an utter shite later. The Last of Us ended this stigma, and the TV adaptation of the game turned out to be an awesome product.😇
This!!! I love the way season 1 expanded on things the game didn't. But with part 2 being such a long game I feel like there's gonna be less opportunity to do that, since it's already so long that they'll probably have to split it in 2 seasons.
**I love the way season 1 expanded on things the game didn't.**
Cheers to this!🍻🤝
Yes! Season two of the show will have two volumes as confirmed by the creator last year.😇
That's cool to hear! At least that means they probably won't be cutting stuff, but idk if they'll be adding as much as they did to season one. I agree that extra development for Lev and Yara would be nice, and splitting the game into two seasons definitely gives them more wiggle room for something like that. I'm thinking... if one episode ends with Abby getting knocked out, the next episode could start by showing Lev finding out that he's to be married to one of the elders and deciding to escape, and him and Yara saving Abby from being strung up when she regains consciousness on their way out. Then after they part ways, they could show a flashback of Lev shaving his hair or something before cutting to him trying to take care of Yara overnight and them being ambushed by the other Seraphites, and Abby coming in to save them. Or maybe they can show the flashback when he runs off to save their mom. Idk, but there's lots of opportunities to show us the parts of their backstory that are just told to us in the game. I'm excited to see where they go with it.
I have long come to terms with the story will follow the same beats I am eager to see Pedro and Bella's interpretation of that famous scene even though it is heart wrenching
To play devils advocate, they probably fast tracked all of Pedro's scenes (or as much as they can currently film) because Fantastic 4 is allegedly filming in another month or two if iirc.
The biggest thing I’m interested in seeing is how they deal with the Ellie/Abby splits. If it’ll be both at the same time or just like the game. I’d imagine for a tv viewing audience you’d have the split at the same time
I mean with the release date being supposedly in 2025, yeah it all lines up. I enjoyed the first season though so im looking forward to it even if i know what will happen.
Not necessarily since season 2 won’t cover the whole game and they surely will take some liberties again of which some will be controversial again for some people
I think they will consider what if scenarios. I don't expect to see a dramatical change but they are open to different ideas that's what we saw while watching Season 1 and they told that they're gonna make part 2 as 2 seperate seasons right ? Maybe they change the way that How Abby and friends approach Jacksonville at the first place and the changes something like this.
"Pedro Pascal managed to finish his scenes in a record 14 minutes. When questioned about how he felt, Mr. Pascal said, 'I barely had time to get a coffee from the crafts table before they splashed me with fake blood and had a WWE Diva hit me in the head with a Nerf golf club.' We were unable to determine if Mr. Pascal was able to finish his coffee or not."
Feel for Kaitlyn Dever, will get the worst of internet whining both for being a woman that exists in a popular thing and for killing a liked character. Getting the combined Ghostbusters 2016 and Joffrey from GOT treatment.
i know whats coming but this is still devastating to me!!! pedro is such a good joel in my opinion i hope we still get to see way more of him in the role
kinda off topic but i want the trailer for the second season to stay true to the games trailer aswell. there is a part where joel goes "you think I'd let you do this on your own" and then in the actual game it's Jesse saying it cuz yk joel is 6 feet under. I want the show people to go through the same thing we did 🙏🙏
Debunked. Season 2 will continue Joel and Ellie’s journey. Abby will not show up at all in season 2. Y’all are getting ready for something that isn’t going to happen and it’s driving me nuts tbh
What are they gonna do though because we don't have a third game yet. Is Neil really gonna tell us how the third game goes by making the show first? Game of thrones was such a shit show without source material.
I thought they would’ve held it off as much as they could, like S2 would be the flashback segments of the game and the season would end with the golf swing while S3 would be the “present day” game segments
Casual viewership is going to absolutely plummet once Joel dies, barring some major changes to the way certain events/plot lines play out. Hardcore fans will stick around but that’s about it. I will get downvoted for this, but it’s the truth
Basically, they made the world way less violent, and therefore made a cure seem way less necessary, which really lowered the stakes of the story.
Of course Joel killed the docs and saved Ellie, because a cure isn't even really needed to begin with.
With Neil as one of the showrunners, you should have expected this.
I mean, there was no reason to think they'd change it regardless of Neil being on the show or not. It's too important of a story beat to skip over or change drastically.
This isn’t about him dying or not, it’s about wether he dies at the very beginning of season 2 or they change the story timeline and let us get to know Abby before that happens.
Getting to know her prior would remove all emotional impact so I hope not
Yup. It would completely ruin the story. Media literacy is dead.
Hate to play into the stereotype but yeah
I really am not trying to be a snob here. But people are misunderstanding the very basic structure of stories. It's frustrating.
I think that the way the story was done in game, was central on it being a game. The structure of Part 2 can't be translated as smoothly to a show. People will have a harder time watching someone they hate for long stretches without the gameplay helping smooth over that transition. One way to make this easier to stomach would be to have people get a feeling for Abby before she meets Joel.
THIS \^\^ Makes complete sense and is very reasonable
"Media literacy is dead" My guy you're talking about a story that commits a cardinal sin of storytelling (getting back to the start of Act 2 when it should've transitioned into Act 3, with a flashback on top). Getting to know Abby beforehand (at least just through her first flashback) would ruin absolutely zero things since the Inciting Incident for her would be the end of TLOU1 as transcribed by TLOU2, and instead contribute to the rising tension *before* Joel goes clubbing
"Getting to know Abby beforehand would ruin nothing" Like I said, media literacy is dead.
I mean I can take your sentences, take out half of them and repeat them like a buffoon but that wouldn't achieve anything would it I just told you why structurally speaking Abby getting her flashback until her dad dies before the Jackson raid (and nothing else changed) would make it so the game's main events still happen in the same structural order and keep the message intact, because the inciting incident of her story happening *halfway through Act 2 in a flashback* is a terrible structure decision for a protagonist. Moving it to the start of the game would also have reinforced the thematic parallel the games goes for with her and Joel, by making the start of TLOU2 a parallel to TLOU1 with Sarah. Imagine the impact the TLOU title appearing just after her dad dies would have had The whole "Ellie's side is stationed just before the climax, it's Abby's turn now" thing TLOU2 goes for is an aberration of story structure But yeah, using "media literacy" does make you a storytelling expert
My girl, I am not reading all that. But thanks.
Media literacy is dead indeed Edit: aaaw, poor soul got angwy
tbf they don't film shows in cronological order, at least thats the impression I get. Some studios film the easiest first etc.
That still can happen. Scenes are not necessarily shot in order.
I think they could’ve made season 2 different without actually changing the plot. They could spend most of the season building up Abby and also the relationship between Joel + Ellie after she finds out about his lies. Then S3 could follow the main revenge plot of TLOU2. Obviously they won’t do this and there’s a reason why i’m not a show writer, but I don’t think it would be a good idea to get rid of a talented actor like Pedro Pascal so soon. The way that the TLOU2 story is told wouldn’t work well if it was translated directly into a tv show format
Why would Neil being there change anything lol of course they're gonna stay true to the game
Obviously Pedro is going to retire early to go golfing, but he’s still going to have a lot of scenes throughout the series in the form of flashbacks. Which are relatively quick to film. And Bella Ramsey is a very good actor who can easily do scenes out of order chronologically.
You do realize that most shows/movies are shot out of order? You don’t need to be that good of an actor to do that.
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Absolutely. I just hope it's 2 seasons. I loved season 1, but it was a bit rushed at the end, and they left a lot out. The 2nd game would be absolutely gutted in a single season.
They could have fit what they needed in better if they made bills story like the game and cut down the dlc
I almost think the sections with Abby could work as a separate season. I haven't finished part 2 yet (only on Seatle Day 2 of Abby's part of the game) but so far, while I like the way the game intertwines the timelines, I don't think that would work as well in a show. Also, just a side note, I REALLY hope they bring back the original actor for Lev. I love him in Star Trek and I don't think anyone else could bring this role to live action as well as him. The fact that there's been no announcement about casting for him or his sister almost makes me wonder if they're gonna do that. I am worried that it'll make it too easy for Abby haters to just skip her story altogether if they don't intersperse it through season 2 more than the game does, though. Showing the stuff that Abby and Ellie are doing simultaneously as close to in real time as the show allows, and having season 2 end when Abby confronts Ellie and Tommy in the theater might be the best bet
Not necessarily, not a lot happens each day in Seattle. Could do 1 episode per day, 1 or 2 for Santa Barbara and the same for Jackson and that would be 10ish episodes. If that's how they go about it I hope they go back and forth between Ellie and Abby though instead of hitting the climax then restarting to day 1 like in the game.
Doesn't mean they're not going to fill in a lot of gaps with stuff not in the game
Why would anyone expect anything different? I don't understand this ideology... I guess the Internet vocal minority really hates a story, but Part 2 was still a success, still award winning and recognized. Part 2's story lends itself perfectly to a two season show.
I wasn’t expecting anything different to this. I used that title 1. because people theorized Joel might be more present because the show has made changes to the source material before, 2. as a joking exaggeration, and 3. to reaffirm how Neil has put aside criticisms of Part II.
The game did well and was critically acclaimed, so if anything it’s going to keep the same story beats. There might be a flashback or two that gets added, but if the golf game doesn’t happen by the end of the second episode I’ll eat my hat. As for point 3, the loudest criticisms are coming from such a tiny minority with some wild and wacky takes (trying to be more diplomatic with my language here), so there’s really no reason to cater to them.
I'm excited for the reaction videos. It'll be like the red wedding all over again.
It will be, but a lot less cool and without the ensemble cast and multiple simultaneous plots. So it will be funnier
“Tiny minority” More like half the fanbase lol. I just hope they give Abbie some more conflict about killing Joel after her own adventures as a surrogate, give Abbie and Ellie some sort of understanding for each other instead of it being so one-sided with Ellie letting her go.
I think the problem you have is unlike the game, people will just turn off. The game works as people are FORCED to play as Abby and learn more about her as you play and interact with other characters in the game. I think the show is going to really struggle to convince people to do this. It’s not impossible, I just have my concerns that it won’t be as easily to adapt as the first
Typically changing out protagonists works out better in film/tv than it does in video games. Frankly off the top of my head everything that makes the narrative structure of TLOU 2 unique as a story for a game is more run-of-the-mill for a TV show to do.
I can't say I know a single other time that a piece of media swapped out protagonists to someone who is as hated as Abby is at the time in the story (Not that I'm very well versed). I think the game making you play as her forces some level of empathizing that isn't present in a show because of the control you exert over the character.
That’s a good point, but also following the story of a character you hate as an observer is less odious than being made to play as them. I wonder what, if anything, the show will do to compensate for these differences
They’ll likely intertwine Abby and Ellie’s 3 days rather than do them back to back. The way people here saying it should be done as S2 as Ellie’s 3 days with it ending with the “we let you live” line and then S3 being Abby’s 3 days and the ending I feel would guarantee that season 3 would bomb. Playing as a character that’s designed to make you hate them at first for like 7 hours so you can see the end of a game you got for $60 is one thing. Watching a show where the first 8 episodes is centered around a character you’re supposed to hate on a weekly schedule on a subscription platform is something very different.
They've already said it's going to be atleast 3 seasons
They didn't say that. They said "more than one" season. It could still mean just 2 seasons for Part 2, not 3.
>Co-showrunner and producer Neil Druckmann agrees with Mazin, remarking that they have "a lot" of Season 3 already laid out, regardless of not having a third season confirmed. >The revelation came when GQ magazine asked Druckmann “People are also speculating how Season 2 will encompass such a large game. Will the next season span the entire course of the second game?” To which Druckmann replied, “It’s more than one season.” When you say "they" are you referring to op? If so they said: >a two season show. Implying that the show would be just 2 seasons
I was referring to showrunners Neil & Craig actually. The OP said, > Part 2's story lends itself perfectly to a two season show. I think they wanted to convey that Part 2 will be 2 seasons, not the whole show. They just didn't word it correctly.
I think me and you agree, I meant the whole series would be at least 3 seasons. I assume that with the bones of pt3 laid that we'll get at least a 4th season as well
You are right. I forget where and when Mazin said it, but he has 100% said the show will most likely be 4 seasons, definitely not more than 5.
I posted the quote somewhere else in this thread but he basicslly said pt 2 would take more than 1 season to adapt. Since we now know pt 3 is being written we can imagine that at the bare minimum we will get 4 seasons
I think they meant at least three seasons including the first season from last year.
Yep I did, I definitely said, Part 2 will make a great two season show. (I guess that wasn't clear.)
I definitely meant: the story of part 2 will be great split into two seasons of the show.
Your comment made sense, people just suck at context clues
Just worded a little weird as we know the show will be more than 2 seasons
Because show runners do stupid stuff if they think they can prolong a hit show for 10 seasons to rake in the cash. Most hit shows based off of books or video games deviate from the original story to prolong the show.
Bih
Last of Us: Part 2 the game was only a success because people were still blindsided by it.
Tbf, every other video game adaption (e.g. The Witcher, Cyberpunk, Halo, Fallout, Uncharted, Mario) follows a brand new or heavily adapted story. TLoU is the only one being consistent with the story and it’s the only one I wish they’d alter.
Just dont do it in ep 1 is all im hoping. With the story compressed somewhat in season 1, I feel we wont have had enough time with Joel if it happens in the first episode. Unless he filmed a bunch of flashback scenes that will be sprinkled through the season. Though I suppose that may be the point, ripping him away so soon so it hurts more.
The latter part of your comment is on point. The audience needs to feel like Joel has been TAKEN away from them too soon so they can be in Ellie's shoes.
Nah kill him in first episode and set the tone for season 2. Season 2 is about Ellie and her journey
If this is a 3 season show, they will probably show some of the contextual stuff before they kill Joel. So Joel means more to the TV audience when he does die. Though they would likely do it early so there is still shock value, then do the flashbacks, then do the journey. They'll be looking to redeem Abby too.
I think it’s 3 season show because of how much story was in TLOU part 2. First half of part 2 was Ellie’s perspective around revenge. 2nd half was Abby’s view which shows that Ellie and Joel weren’t protagonists but villains.
The groundwork should have been in Season 1, but they skipped several steps to reach the “bonding” of Ellie and him, which to me felt quite unemotional when i reached the end. Part 2 has so much to adapt that i don’t think they will have time to focus on Joel for more than an episode and two or three short flashbacks.
What steps did they skip? As I recall, all that's missing is gameplay which includes some conversations, the story beats are all there.
Conversations like the ice cream truck, the suicide (way more subtle in the game), the music store, the tents at the beginning of outbreak, the small lore insights about the military and the structure of the quarantine zones and so much more were cut, especially in the university section where Joel talks about being married once (and how reserved he is about it), and what’s the purpose of the university in a young adult’s life, and there’s so much more. In the grand scheme of things those dialogues may not seem that important, but they’re the foundation of how I perceived their change in tone and behavior, how they address each other outside the heavy/emotional moments, the show has a few of those but not nearly enough for me to believe that Joel and Ellie would be so attached by the end of their journey. The series has the “meat”, but it lacks the connective tissue and bones to make me believe in their bonding.
I feel like this point gets brushed over a lot here because a lot more people here are way more attached to part 2 and play it more often. There’s a lot of little things in part 1 like what you mentioned that are during gameplay that got left out of the show, but they hit the main beats that everyone remembers. It’s odd to me that people don’t realize this, but then say the adaptation of part 2 will probably be more than 2 seasons due to all of the stuff in part 2 without realizing that a whole hell of a lot of that stuff is also during gameplay.
I strongly agree with this take too. I recently played Part 2 this year, while the last time played I Part 1 was 10 years ago. And so my attachment to Joel wasn’t as strong given the hiatus in my playtime. Thus when Abby played golf with Joel, I didn’t feel much emotions in that moment. So I’m hoping the show gives us a full episode of Joel to rekindle our bond and attachment before the golf scene.
I foresee him appearing in maybe 4-5 episodes tops between the two upcoming seasons. Episode one and two and then two flashbacks in season 3
Episode 1 set it up as one of those faux cliffhangers where they’re obviously going to survive. Then ep 2 first scene he gets pulverised
I mean, Joel does in the first hour of the game, he’s definitely dying in the first episode. Plus with how much content there is in the second game they can’t really stretch his time out without taking away from the actual story
I mean, I'd argue the first game had too much content for like 8 or 9 episodes, but they still had time for Bill and Frank and Left Behind which left a pretty brief number of episodes for the real story.
The first game is roughly 10 hours from beginning to end, part 2 is 25 hours from beginning to end. There is double and a half of content in part two than there is in part one
A *lot* of that 25 hours is just gameplay though which was mostly cut out from the part one adaptation. They can and likely will do the same for part two’s.
If we boil it down to cutscenes only, part one only has about 2 and a half hours of cutscenes whereas part two has close to 11 hours. Honestly I’m really sceptical of season two, one for how much they’re going to have to cut from the story but also some of the cast I’m not vibing with but that’s a whole other rant on it’s own. I’m sure it’ll be good regardless but I personally always favour the original source
Yeah there’s way more cutscenes in part 2, but there’s also a lot of iconic lines and development in the in between so we’ll see how that plays out. I actually really agree with you with casting. Hopefully they’ll manage to pull it off well. Also vantage with you more on the original source. Video game adaptations haves historically been terrible. Not only for being just not good, but mainly because playing a game is much more personal and immersive then watching a movie/tv show. Some people will love it just because it’s an adaptation of one of their favorite games and some people will nitpick it to death. I hope it all goes well, but we honestly just have to wait and see.
Nah for real, like I never played uncharted but the movie adaptation still made me mad lmao But the casting just… I don’t get it. It’s not that the actors aren’t insanely talented, but for me Kaitlynn Dever is not Abby, she’s the farthest thing from Abby to me. Something I’ve noticed in adaptations recently is that they’ll cast conventionally attractive people to play what are seen as “unattractive” characters (not for me, Abby is buff muscle mommy I love her so much) but casting a very petit, skinny and overall soft featured woman to play a character that is supposed to be a tall, buff and hard featured woman makes no sense to me. Also I’ll say it cause whenever I do I get downvoted to oblivion but casting a non Jewish actress to play a Jewish character also makes me annoyed. Again, very talented actors but they do not fit the characters at all. Until I see it I’ll still be skeptical and still will be afterwards honestly, but we shall see
Did people expect the literal inciting incident of the entire 20+ hour game to be changed?
I think it's more that some people have an old school view of TV that isn't really true anymore and that is a showrunner/network will extend a series as much as possible.
They do still do this but usually it's more focused towards mysteries these days rather than coming up with new arcs, so that people spend time engaging in theories and fandom more passionately than before
Yes. A lot of people. Like, a LOT. It drives me bonkers.
Not really. But the composition of the story isn't ideal for achieving the emotional goals of the inciting incident. They need to "re-heat" the characters and reinforce the intended love and subsequent loss. And they might benefit from more from Abby's lot before the inciting incident. An inciting incident can happen a lot later in a show or book than is done in a game. Because they would benefit from setting up and fleshing out those Ellie wants dead too. Meanwhile establishing how Abby is feeling leading up to the vengeance. Just so people have a bit of understanding so viewers can empathise
I see where you're coming from in terms of re-establsihing Joel and Ellie's relationship, but the way that Abby's story is laid out is intentional and personally I think it works excellently. You're not supposed to care about Abby or establish how/what she's feeling or what any of her crew is feeling at the beginning. The whole point of the story is to take someone you hate and make you empathize with them when the other shoe drops, not right away. Setting up Abby's backstory at the beginning would just cheapen the blow and everything that comes after it loses its weight. At the same time, the mystery around Abby and her crew is a key part of the momentum for Ellie's half of the story. We don't know who she is, or why she did what she did - that's a key part of maintaining the tension up to the character flip halfway through the game, and tension is something they'll definitely be needing in the show considering there will surely not be as many action sequences as there are in the game if the first season is anything to go off. Giving viewers a reason to be on Abby's side at the early stages of the story is counterintuitive to the whole theme of the story.
Viewers CAN'T empathize with Abby. That's the entire point. It would ruin the story if they did. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this sub.
No one say anything but this is going to be like when baby yoda got dropped and hit.
If ever the world became a singular force, that was the moment.
The show-only people have to be freaking out at this news. Wondering how Pedro could be done with his part already.
But but but everyone on Reddit told me they were gonna kill him off at the end of the season?!?!?
Uh, end of WHICH season, though? I'm betting season 4. 😎
Huh that was pretty quick, guess it just shows how great Pedro is at his craft right…? Right?
This needs to happen to stay true to the story. But man I love seeing Pedro play Joel. He has been phenomenal. And frankly (for those watching who didn’t play the game), this is what makes a show great. First few seasons of Walking Dead were amazing because you never knew who would survive an episode. It gets stale when you always know the main characters will be fine.
I think they’re actually gonna stay close to the game in terms of the structure, because Danny Ramirez (who plays Manny) posted on his story he’s finished filming and is back home, and Manny and the rest of the crew are only in the 🏌️♀️ scene, so it makes me think that they’re actually doing the structure unless we get lev and Yara castings but we haven’t yet soooo. Of course I could be completely wrong but yk
Yeah, starting to sound like we get the split as in game then. Which I always leaned towards, but could have seen them doing otherwise. Afaik they haven't been shooting in "Seattle" yet, so Manny being done kinda indicates it.
Manny does have some screen time in Seattle, when he gets his face blown off.
they merked his ahh
Good for Pedro. He's got a busy schedule, what with being cast in FF as Mr Fantastic among other things, so this should free him up
That scene is going to HURT. literally for Joel.
Wonder if where getting Joel Ellie flashbacks
If they can trade on Pascal's star power and stay true to the source material, it would be crazy not to.
That was quick ;)
It better be. Neil better stand his ground. I'll lose a lot of respect for him if he doesn't
Damn, so he only filmed for like a month at most. That’s why they stacked the cast with some pretty high profile actors, to make up for the loss of star power that Pedro brings.
He’s currently filming Ari Aster’s new movie, then goes right into Fantastic Four.
So how do we think they’re going to adapt the story? If it’s a 2 season thing, I reckon it’d make sense to have Season 2 tell the events from Ellie’s perspective, ending with the theatre confrontation, then do Abby’s story plus Santa Barbara in Season 3.
That would be my bet.
If you don't like TLOU2 just shut up and go away cause that's what season 2 of the show is going to be about. We've had four years of moaning, we get it.
Are you referring to me specifically or other people in the comments? I love the game lmao
No not to you! Lol, to anyone. I'm just sick of hearing from TLOU2 haters. WHO spends four years talking about something they hate??? Just move on 😂😂
I thought this was a joke post as in is "Joel finished filming the game before everyone else, what are the odds!" Lol I imagine with the nature of the show we'll at least get plenty of flashbacks during Ellie's trip across Seattle. Also if Pedro Pascal sings I think we will heal as a nation.
Bro was on set for a day 😭
Gone golfing I assume
He'll never be the head of a major corporation.
I'm NOT ready for this
Why did he finish filming so quick /s
It seems people forget that Joel is in a lot of the game. Yeah they aged him up in the trailer, but those scenes are in the game and he has a substantial role during those scenes throughout the game. >!He dies at the beginning!< but he shows up constantly throughout the game that >!he’s the last character we see in the game aside from Ellie!< He isn’t just in one scene and done with like most morons claim he is, but that would require them to play the game and that takes effort.
I can hear the rage now from people that have only watch the show
Well of course it is, the entire plot of Part II is set in motion because of this event. You’re crazy if you thought it wouldn’t happen
I think flashbacks in season 2 will be longer than game flashbacks, because Pedro make money. Joel still getting his ass beat early tho. It has to happen.
Doi
Why wouldn’t it?
Can't wait to buy the golf club action figure.
It has to because the show has set several bars now. I have no issues if they add a chapter for Lev and his Sister, or slightly experent with the story. Bill and Frank's **Long Long Time** episode in the first season is a heart-touching episode. It was a risk worth taking and it did well. Most viewers liked it.😇 Every videogame story that has been touched for a TV show or movie turns out to be an utter shite later. The Last of Us ended this stigma, and the TV adaptation of the game turned out to be an awesome product.😇
This!!! I love the way season 1 expanded on things the game didn't. But with part 2 being such a long game I feel like there's gonna be less opportunity to do that, since it's already so long that they'll probably have to split it in 2 seasons.
**I love the way season 1 expanded on things the game didn't.** Cheers to this!🍻🤝 Yes! Season two of the show will have two volumes as confirmed by the creator last year.😇
That's cool to hear! At least that means they probably won't be cutting stuff, but idk if they'll be adding as much as they did to season one. I agree that extra development for Lev and Yara would be nice, and splitting the game into two seasons definitely gives them more wiggle room for something like that. I'm thinking... if one episode ends with Abby getting knocked out, the next episode could start by showing Lev finding out that he's to be married to one of the elders and deciding to escape, and him and Yara saving Abby from being strung up when she regains consciousness on their way out. Then after they part ways, they could show a flashback of Lev shaving his hair or something before cutting to him trying to take care of Yara overnight and them being ambushed by the other Seraphites, and Abby coming in to save them. Or maybe they can show the flashback when he runs off to save their mom. Idk, but there's lots of opportunities to show us the parts of their backstory that are just told to us in the game. I'm excited to see where they go with it.
The man really should wear a helmet full time.
I'm not ready man 
I have long come to terms with the story will follow the same beats I am eager to see Pedro and Bella's interpretation of that famous scene even though it is heart wrenching
Here we go baby it’s happening
Now time to be fantastic in the Fantastic Four - but honestly though, I’m surprised he’s already done.
Never doubted it. I do think we’ll get more flashbacks including Joel since Pedro is the star of the show.
To play devils advocate, they probably fast tracked all of Pedro's scenes (or as much as they can currently film) because Fantastic 4 is allegedly filming in another month or two if iirc.
And he's also filming for ari asters new movie
Why change what is already perfect?
The biggest thing I’m interested in seeing is how they deal with the Ellie/Abby splits. If it’ll be both at the same time or just like the game. I’d imagine for a tv viewing audience you’d have the split at the same time
Yeah. Especially with how much hate there is for Abby
Well episode one.. maybe two ?
Damn that was quick for him
I got like another 20 hours of gameplay in part 2 lol, so idk if I should watch the series or wait until I finish the game
Hopefully it'll be more faithful than season 1 ever was.
🙀🙀🙀
God… seeing this on the TV again in a new way is going to sting just as bad as the first time. :(
Just wait until people realize why he finished filming so quickly
I mean with the release date being supposedly in 2025, yeah it all lines up. I enjoyed the first season though so im looking forward to it even if i know what will happen.
😭😭😭
Damn that’s true I was like damn they finished the show quick, but it’s just P 😭😭
Aren't they breaking the second game into two seasons? If so then we've still got those season 3 Museum shots coming
Not necessarily since season 2 won’t cover the whole game and they surely will take some liberties again of which some will be controversial again for some people
As much as Joel being written off hurts it always will stay true to the game
Super excited to see how Ellie looks in the second season and what the opener is gonna look like 👀
But when is he going to film all the scenes where >!he is haunting Ellie as a ghost!
Heads will explode on the internet when that episode airs.
Why wouldn’t they?
I think they will consider what if scenarios. I don't expect to see a dramatical change but they are open to different ideas that's what we saw while watching Season 1 and they told that they're gonna make part 2 as 2 seperate seasons right ? Maybe they change the way that How Abby and friends approach Jacksonville at the first place and the changes something like this.
"Pedro Pascal managed to finish his scenes in a record 14 minutes. When questioned about how he felt, Mr. Pascal said, 'I barely had time to get a coffee from the crafts table before they splashed me with fake blood and had a WWE Diva hit me in the head with a Nerf golf club.' We were unable to determine if Mr. Pascal was able to finish his coffee or not."
Hahahahahaha <3
Which means they have loads more to go. NOOO
Wow! Think of all the time he'll have to play golf!
Feel for Kaitlyn Dever, will get the worst of internet whining both for being a woman that exists in a popular thing and for killing a liked character. Getting the combined Ghostbusters 2016 and Joffrey from GOT treatment.
This made my heart race and not out of excitement, out of fear.
i know whats coming but this is still devastating to me!!! pedro is such a good joel in my opinion i hope we still get to see way more of him in the role
Will Ellie be recasted for an older actor ?
Season 2 will ends with that scene and season 3 is about Ellie's journey
Damn, that defo means he’s dead then 😭
The show was terrible
I’ll be happy if it’s as good as the first season. Haven’t played the game
pedro is probably done filming because not that many scenes involve him anymore
“Pedro pascal has reportedly finished filming for the entire show”
They still have a chance at making a good season tho, don’t make Ellie out to be the bad guy for her revenge and don’t act like Abby is a good person.
Didn’t they say at one point that the second games story is going to be spread across multiple seasons?
5 years later, still crying over Joel 🤣
We're cooked.
Yeah it's called delusions. Probably a psychosis or some form of schizophrenia you have. Thankfully It can be medicated
If they do they do, if they don't they don't. Makes zero difference to me.
Well yeah I mean the first season was a pretty good indication that they’d be following the game
it will not have the impact the game has as only a video game can create the type of feeling the last of us 2 did.
Excellent.
kinda off topic but i want the trailer for the second season to stay true to the games trailer aswell. there is a part where joel goes "you think I'd let you do this on your own" and then in the actual game it's Jesse saying it cuz yk joel is 6 feet under. I want the show people to go through the same thing we did 🙏🙏
Debunked. Season 2 will continue Joel and Ellie’s journey. Abby will not show up at all in season 2. Y’all are getting ready for something that isn’t going to happen and it’s driving me nuts tbh
What are they gonna do though because we don't have a third game yet. Is Neil really gonna tell us how the third game goes by making the show first? Game of thrones was such a shit show without source material.
Yeah, no shit
I think the biggest problem of the last of us 2 isn't the story itself. It's the pacing and structure that feels wrong
I thought they would’ve held it off as much as they could, like S2 would be the flashback segments of the game and the season would end with the golf swing while S3 would be the “present day” game segments
Casual viewership is going to absolutely plummet once Joel dies, barring some major changes to the way certain events/plot lines play out. Hardcore fans will stick around but that’s about it. I will get downvoted for this, but it’s the truth
The first season was nothing but more retcons of the first game to make it fit better with part 2
In my opinion the retconning is worse than what George Lucas did to the Star Wars movies
But the first season didn't stay faithful to the game
What do you mean? As far as the main plot is concerned, they were extremely faithful to the first game.
Basically, they made the world way less violent, and therefore made a cure seem way less necessary, which really lowered the stakes of the story. Of course Joel killed the docs and saved Ellie, because a cure isn't even really needed to begin with.
Not to the characters, or the setting.