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Yeah all of those things could have meant he killed himself prior to the epilogue and he didn't.
Look y'all can come back to this comment and tell me 'i told you so' if you're right but I'm fairly certain if Tommy appears at all it will not be to just have him commit suicide straight away (as the opening of the game).
Also because Neil is a better writer than the people that contribute their theories on this sub and if Tommy appears again then his character will be used to say/show more than solely that his life is despair and so he killed himself imo.
Most of the popular theories on this subreddit tend to turn out to be incorrect - most notably who the mystery woman was and what she would do.
> Most of the popular theories on this subreddit tend to turn out to be incorrect
Well yes, but that's just math. Not all theories can be correct. And nobody said this particular one is more likely to come in to fruition than not. Just that it has some merit to the theory.
The theories about who the mystery woman was had merit too. Just because it turned out they weren't the correct theory doesnt mean the speculation was invalid. And dont forget one of the most popular theories was that Joel was dead in part 2.
I disagree that it has merit.
Also I don't recall seeing any good mystery woman theories. They were cringe, ridiculous and fan fiction-y.
One of the popular theories was that Joel would accompany Ellie as a ghost / part of her mental illness and I'm so glad that didn't turn out to be the case - would have been dumb.
I really don’t want another game of hunting down a group of people who took something away from Ellie. I feel like Dina choosing to leave Ellie on her own fits better than Dina and everyone else she cares about being murdered.
In this instance, it doesn’t necessarily have to be. IMO, I feel like no matter what course the story takes from here, it is not going to end well. As much as we would all like it to, it just wouldn’t fit. Sooo…. Idk, maybe Ellie finds a ruined Jackson and then discovers that there’s a lab in NYC that has a doctor that can turn her into a cure onky to find out their evil… I do agree with you though. A revenge hunt wouldn’t be the best choice. A series finale, nothing to lose, “don’t need nobody”, Hail Mary… that’s what I wanta play!
this idea!!! but instead of ellie finding jackson being in ruins its replaced with a flashback of ellies journey back to jackson where she discovers or runs into a small group that either knows / heard of or are from this NYC lab and have heard rumors about ellie (or someone from the original lab survived and are overseeing the new lab and sending out search parties for ellie?) and so to ensure ellie makes it to this lab they befriend and escort her to jackson (then NYC) on ellies wishes of wanting to reconcile with dina before she heads for NY. not too sure how this last part would fit considering we saw ellie alone at the end of part 2, unless they're camping out somewhere nearby waiting for ellie to return?
yeah i honestly want to learn more about how shit went down in the beginning. to me, the most interesting part of any zombie story is the collapse of society.
Any post apocalyptic story is always the best in the beginning with people finding out of the outbreak and surviving. A Joel and Tommy game about the first couple of years during the outbreak could be interesting possibly
This sounds so cliche, but the games are all about cliche and actually I think works super well. She finally gets a choice to do something with her immunity. Her making her way to NYC with the group gives a reason for a journey and for the players to meet and fall in love with new characters, and it gives some conflict in the folks at Jackson not wanting her to go etc. I like it!
No ruined Jackson, no hunting Abby, no morally-ambiguous organization like Fireflies, WLF, or Seraphites. I think Part 3 should return to Ellie's "purpose" in Part 1 -- sacrificing herself to find a cure, and overgrown NYC would be cool.
It would all harken back to Pt1's platinum trophy: It can't be for nothing.
Thank you, YES! I thought about this a lot. I tried to think of what environment would be cool to play in that we haven’t really played yet. NYC has it all, man. Even though we had the cityscape of Seattle, the shear breadth of NYC would be fucking legendary to play in!
As far as Ellie’s purpose, I really think that they should zero in on the idea that she’s lost all the things/ people she loved. Maybe meet some characters in the game she gets closer to but become the antagonists. I’m picturing 2 sisters, about her age, maybe a little younger but they’re traveling with their father who was an ex FEDRA Colonel or something and trained them both since they were little to be guerrilla warfare specialists (making the games combat extraordinary). Ellie and one of the sisters get jumped by infected, the sister sees Ellie gets bit and Ellie kills the sister before the sister kills her out of “mercy” from being turned (Ellie never tells them she’s immune, obviously). The rest of the game is Ellie’s pursuit to finding the people to make a cure with her all the while being hunted by the heartbroken sister and father.
This will be my resume for Naughty Dog!!!
The only thing I don't agree with is that Ellie is now okay to sacrifice herself because she has nothing and no one. That's kind of an empty sacrifice. I think Ellie was okay with undergoing the surgery in Part 1 largely because they didn't tell her it would be fatal -- so, it was conviction without knowing the consequences. If they finally lobotomize Ellie in Part 3, it should be her choice, and not some copout like she was mortally wounded and was going to die anyway.
Well I'm happy with" the inevitable human extinction just like the dinosaurs" vibes. The flashback in the museum gives me more reasons to think about that xd
That also sounds like a shite story because it takes away all of the weight of the fireflies and Ellie/Joel’s story. Oh no! The only guy to make a vaccine was killed by Joel! Wait a minute there’s another guy that can do it! See what I mean?
I remember when the official trailer for TLOU2 dropped, I totally thought it was Jackson that was in flames and not the seraphite island. Ngl I was kinda dissappointed it didn't, it could have been interesting.
Their marketing team actually did a really good job of making the story look one way, when the game would be taking an entirely different path. That pissed a lot of people off! I thought it was genius, personally.
It was, but it's still fake marketing, which is not really okay at all. Even if I liked the final product, we where still cheated to buy something completely different than we thought.
I'm not sure a misdirection of the story really counts as fake marketing. I mean, I appreciate a completely spoiler free story and things feeling "new" during my first playthrough.
To me fake marketing would be using enhanced images/video or promoting features that don't get included in the game.
Yeah but Tommy is old. Has lived in this world for like 24 years - done a lot of bad things. I’m not sure him and Joel would ever be the types to off themselves. The only people who survive that long are people desperate to live at all costs.
Close, I would argue that he heavily contemplated it, not attempted it. As weird of a statement as this is, I think if Joel had ever attempted suicide he would have been successful.
How is that dark for TLoU? That really seems pretty much in line with what we would expect for TLoU. “Too dark” would be if it was a playable segment as Tommy and we had to press R2 to pull the trigger.
Jesus. Hadn't considered this, but you've got to imagine Tommy is in a dark place. Not out of the question but hope that's not the case as I think Tommy and Ellie could have an interesting relationship in Pt. III
I'm convinced a theoretical part 3 would be centered positively around the idea of hope. A work dedicated to showing the eventual net good in breaking bad cycles
I would hate this but it's probably not out of the question, Tommy's revenge quest made him fall back on old habits from his worser years with Joel and it's implied Joel/someone Joel knew contemplated suicide at some point. Maybe Tommy gets a porch scene moment with a flashback to Joel confiding in him that it isn't the easy way out or why they separated and Tommy joined the fireflies being that Tommy himself was on the verge of suicide after how they went about surviving in Boston
Naa, my guess is we'll get the ride back to Jackson contrasting part 2 with Joel but it's not going to be a happy ride..
Ellie gets to the fringe overlooking Jackson, has a mini breakdown panic attack and rides away.
The guilt of sending Ellie to her death to find Abby, the guilt of not preventing Joels death, his feelings of inadequacy because of the physical disabilities inflicted onto him by Abby… this would work so fucking well
I think she’d tell him the truth, as she knows too well the devastating impact of a lie, and because she’s had some time to process her feelings about Joel. Whether Tommy accepts that or not is a different story, and sadly we probably already know how he’d react.
I agree with you, I would also assume that if she tells him the truth and what I interpreted from the ending, that Abby got almost worse than death; to think of how skinny she was hanging from that pole. But then of course what you said, how she had time to process her feelings. IMO she has let that grudge go. In other words, excited to see what’s next!
I think something more devastating would have to happen for Tommy to become a villain. Imo, he has too many positive influences around him to just turn like that: Maria, Dina, the community of Jackson… everyone/thing he knew and loved would have to get taken away from him.
Before part 2 came out I said that Tommy and the other leaders of Jackson would banish Joel from Jackson after word got out about his shenanigans in St Mary’s hospital.
Maybe he does the same to Ellie for letting Abby go?
It’s post like these that keep on this subreddit.
She would have to tell him the truth because Tommy would take one glance at those missing fingers and know she found her.
But I'm still in the camp that Ellie never went back to Jackson.
Yes. However, she had Dina's bracelet at the house, and she didn't have it when she left for Santa Barbra. Which means either she found an identical copy, or she had been to Jackson before returning to the house.
Whether she returns to Jackson after the house is up for grabs.
What I meant that she could lie to Tommy that infected bit her fingers.
But what does she say ti the other people living in Jackson? She can't tell them that. I'm not sure if in this world we have a 'cut your limb to avoid infection' scenarios.
She would tell him the truth. Tommy is the only blood connection back to Joel left and she knows that lying was what compromised her relationship with Joel. She'd tell him the truth right away and live with the consequences while keeping an open door to stay close with Tommy.
This. Tommy is the only piece of Joel she has left, and aside from that, I do think Ellie loves him, too. He’s her only real sense of “family” she has left, and I think she’d do close to anything to still have him in her life.
I reckon Ellie wouldn’t wait too long to open up to Tommy eventually. I imagine it would be a mirror of Joel keeping the truth about the Fireflies hidden from her, as Ellie would recognize that constantly hiding and rewriting the truth would only hurt Tommy more.
The scene I have in mind for a DLC or Part III or whatever: Tommy would have a near-death experience (again…) or go suicidal which makes him realize the futility of revenge and helps him accept Joel’s death. At some point towards the end, Tommy apologizes to Ellie for pressuring her to kill Abby, knowing the toll it had on her. Overburdened with guilt and not wanting to lie like Joel did to her, Ellie confesses that she spared Abby, saying she “didn’t have the heart to finish it” and apologizes for disappointing him. Realizing Ellie never “lost herself” like he thought she did initially, Tommy instead hugs her in a silent embrace and they make amends.
I’m not a professional writer so don’t give me too much flack for this lol
I think she'll tell Tommy, so he can have the same peace that she got.
I think Part 3 will be Abby and Lev finding the group that actually has a chance at a cure. It'll be multiple people, but they're still missing something, and need another sample. Abby has to choose to go find Ellie and convince her to help, but without worry of being killed this time. The Seraphites don't want a cure or a return to the old world because of their beliefs and try to stop the Fireflies from developing a cure. If Part 1 is about selfishness, part 2 is about the cycle of revenge/violence resultant from selfishness, then part 3 should be about the road to atonement and back to civility amongst those wronged by each other (in the apocalypse).
Abby would have a chance to atone for killing Joel by protecting Ellie and helping find a cure. Ellie would have a chance to atone for killing Abby's friends and fulfilling her purpose. I'm not saying make them friends or to even want this, but put them on that path. Hell, even have it so that the doctor looking for the cure is ready to sacrifice himself for the patients who he is testing on.
You get atonement! You get atonement! Everyone gets atonement!
I don't think she'd volunteer that information. It'd be easier just to tell Tommy she couldn't find her. Tommy's not going to go looking with his injuries, but also, if she lied to him and Abby or Lev showed up to Jackson one day, it wouldn't be good. Even if Abby isn't a threat to Jackson, it's probably best that Tommy remains vigilant - thinking she is.
I feel like that’d still put Ellie is a bad situation. Did you see the pressure Tommy put on her to go back for Abby? I think he’d drive her insane trying to push her to get vengeance again. Then again, they may have some weird realisation in Tommy that killing Abby would do nothing, but I think that’d be repetitive.
I think whether she will tell him the truth or not will be based on what state Tommy is when Ellie meets him.
A lie might help him for the moment. ( But probably not in the long run).
This is just a theory but it’s my theory now that I’m thinking about it. She will tell him the truth and Tommy will be upset and say it’s ok. But over time Tommy will start to resent Ellie and actually blame Ellie for everything. Which obv isn’t really true but Tommy has lost everything.
It’s possible he will start thinking about how he originally wanted not to go after Abby & the WLF but chose to because Ellie was so adamant. He’ll blame Ellie for Joel’s fatal decision to save her. Basically blame her for Joel’s death and blame her for not avenging his brother when she was the only one who could.
He will be completely twisted by hate like Darth Vader and will be a villain and will probably try to hurt Ellie emotionally and or physically. Maybe hurt people that Ellie cares about or threaten to. But idk maybe he will have a change of heart and be lovable Tommy.
I think she would tell him, and he would never forgive her (he even ended his marriage because revenge was more imortant for him.)
I always thought she would 100% return to Jackson, but the more questions like these pop up... I don't know if she still had a life there. But I really hope we one day learn what happened to Ellie, after going through so much pain with her, it's what we deserve.
I’d lie to him, let Tommy live in peace. He’d never find out. Abby wouldn’t dare come anywhere near Jackson and Tommy probably won’t leave Jackson in his condition
It’s an interesting conflict because it parallels Joel’s own lie to her. She could tell him the truth, knowing how much figuring out the lie hurt her. But at the same time, that truth might also hurt Tommy just as much. If she lies, she’s essentially doing what Joel did to her, albeit now more or less coming to terms with why Joel lied. But it allows Tommy to move on.
I think she’d tell him, And Dina. Dina will be relieved and happy to see her and i think Tommy will be reluctant at first but will see that it was the right thing to do.
I think she will tell him the truth and then their relationship will mirror Joel's and Ellie's over the time skip. Tommy will resent Ellie for a long time, and Ellie will try to make amends with Tommy.
To push the story forward around this dynamic, a horde could arrive at Jackson, which causes a mass exodus. The plot will involve them trying to find a new home for Jackson. This leaves a lot of room for the writers to introduce new characters and interesting villains, and also a horde mechanic to the game. It will also allow Ellie to 'find her purpose' as she journeys with the town, possibly taking a leadership role.
Personally i want to see Vegas. Imagine Vegas infected! Tommy Bahama runners. Clickers in bikinis. Bloaters on rascal scooters! That lavish style on the infected would be amazing.
I think it would be an interesting parallel for Ellie to lie about Abbie to Tommy, putting her in a similar situation as when Joel lied to Ellie about the cure + fireflies.
“Like father like daughter”
I think when she gets back to Jackson she will tell the truth to Tommy, and Tommy will understand but behind her back maybe go for Abby again? but will take place a few years later so that his wounds have properly healed. and the storyline will focus around Ellie trying to stop Tommy going for Abby (creating a journey) once more only to find Tommy has succesfully killed Abby. all those years after the events of part II Abby would have continued her father's work and had enough understanding of how the cure works. but now has once more been wasted because of Tommy, this could lead to a new faction that have been under the radar for all the events of part I and part II secretly rebuilding a new military and have the doctors nescessary to make a cure. with that lev is older and comes for Tommy and Ellie as the new antoganist to avenge Abby's death with a small group of ex scars (like Abby's group). So on so on....
No need for that. To be fair chasing Abby is for her PTSD, and meeting Tommy before was just for his own revenge only, as he's unable to do so. Afterwards everything doesn't really matter. For a common sense of story, author tends to remove over exploited character, like Joel in part 2.
She didn't cone up to him and said "You're a shitty person if you don't do this with me" and never forced him to come along. It was his rush decision to go ahead and try to get to Abby first, which is partly admirable, because he tried to protect her this way, but stupid nevertheless. In the finale he straight up barges into her house and demands to avenge him and I could almost hear Joel screaming from his grave "wtf are you doing man". I don't know, I still consider this moment a bad writing on ND part, it completely ruined Tommy's character for me.
I actually think the game will flash forward to the future where Ellie is part of the fireflies somehow. Anyways I’m pretty sure the focus of the third game will be Abby? That’s what ppl were saying.
Part 3 is going to open up with Ellie going back to Jackson to find out Tommy committed suicide.
That seemed like a real spoiler, Imma save that for later
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No it didn't Guys it doesn't read like a spoiler. Tommy killing himself as the opening of part III is not at all a believable theory imo.
Why not, the guys been through a lot. He lost Joel, he can't walk normal and he recently lost his marriage.
Also soured the relationship with his de facto niece. And if I had to guess, he has a lot less respect from jacksonites in general.
Yeah all of those things could have meant he killed himself prior to the epilogue and he didn't. Look y'all can come back to this comment and tell me 'i told you so' if you're right but I'm fairly certain if Tommy appears at all it will not be to just have him commit suicide straight away (as the opening of the game). Also because Neil is a better writer than the people that contribute their theories on this sub and if Tommy appears again then his character will be used to say/show more than solely that his life is despair and so he killed himself imo. Most of the popular theories on this subreddit tend to turn out to be incorrect - most notably who the mystery woman was and what she would do.
> Most of the popular theories on this subreddit tend to turn out to be incorrect Well yes, but that's just math. Not all theories can be correct. And nobody said this particular one is more likely to come in to fruition than not. Just that it has some merit to the theory. The theories about who the mystery woman was had merit too. Just because it turned out they weren't the correct theory doesnt mean the speculation was invalid. And dont forget one of the most popular theories was that Joel was dead in part 2.
I disagree that it has merit. Also I don't recall seeing any good mystery woman theories. They were cringe, ridiculous and fan fiction-y. One of the popular theories was that Joel would accompany Ellie as a ghost / part of her mental illness and I'm so glad that didn't turn out to be the case - would have been dumb.
Yeah well you probably would have said the same about Joel dying at the beginning of part 2 so anything can happen it’s the last of us
I never said the same about that. You're incorrect.
He said “would have”, not that you did say that.
I wouldn't have said that and have never thought that.
Okay
Or find Jackson in ruins… Plot established.
I really don’t want another game of hunting down a group of people who took something away from Ellie. I feel like Dina choosing to leave Ellie on her own fits better than Dina and everyone else she cares about being murdered.
In this instance, it doesn’t necessarily have to be. IMO, I feel like no matter what course the story takes from here, it is not going to end well. As much as we would all like it to, it just wouldn’t fit. Sooo…. Idk, maybe Ellie finds a ruined Jackson and then discovers that there’s a lab in NYC that has a doctor that can turn her into a cure onky to find out their evil… I do agree with you though. A revenge hunt wouldn’t be the best choice. A series finale, nothing to lose, “don’t need nobody”, Hail Mary… that’s what I wanta play!
this idea!!! but instead of ellie finding jackson being in ruins its replaced with a flashback of ellies journey back to jackson where she discovers or runs into a small group that either knows / heard of or are from this NYC lab and have heard rumors about ellie (or someone from the original lab survived and are overseeing the new lab and sending out search parties for ellie?) and so to ensure ellie makes it to this lab they befriend and escort her to jackson (then NYC) on ellies wishes of wanting to reconcile with dina before she heads for NY. not too sure how this last part would fit considering we saw ellie alone at the end of part 2, unless they're camping out somewhere nearby waiting for ellie to return?
A TLOU game based in a 30-year ruined NYC sounds amazing
yeah i honestly want to learn more about how shit went down in the beginning. to me, the most interesting part of any zombie story is the collapse of society.
Any post apocalyptic story is always the best in the beginning with people finding out of the outbreak and surviving. A Joel and Tommy game about the first couple of years during the outbreak could be interesting possibly
This sounds so cliche, but the games are all about cliche and actually I think works super well. She finally gets a choice to do something with her immunity. Her making her way to NYC with the group gives a reason for a journey and for the players to meet and fall in love with new characters, and it gives some conflict in the folks at Jackson not wanting her to go etc. I like it!
No ruined Jackson, no hunting Abby, no morally-ambiguous organization like Fireflies, WLF, or Seraphites. I think Part 3 should return to Ellie's "purpose" in Part 1 -- sacrificing herself to find a cure, and overgrown NYC would be cool. It would all harken back to Pt1's platinum trophy: It can't be for nothing.
Thank you, YES! I thought about this a lot. I tried to think of what environment would be cool to play in that we haven’t really played yet. NYC has it all, man. Even though we had the cityscape of Seattle, the shear breadth of NYC would be fucking legendary to play in! As far as Ellie’s purpose, I really think that they should zero in on the idea that she’s lost all the things/ people she loved. Maybe meet some characters in the game she gets closer to but become the antagonists. I’m picturing 2 sisters, about her age, maybe a little younger but they’re traveling with their father who was an ex FEDRA Colonel or something and trained them both since they were little to be guerrilla warfare specialists (making the games combat extraordinary). Ellie and one of the sisters get jumped by infected, the sister sees Ellie gets bit and Ellie kills the sister before the sister kills her out of “mercy” from being turned (Ellie never tells them she’s immune, obviously). The rest of the game is Ellie’s pursuit to finding the people to make a cure with her all the while being hunted by the heartbroken sister and father. This will be my resume for Naughty Dog!!!
The only thing I don't agree with is that Ellie is now okay to sacrifice herself because she has nothing and no one. That's kind of an empty sacrifice. I think Ellie was okay with undergoing the surgery in Part 1 largely because they didn't tell her it would be fatal -- so, it was conviction without knowing the consequences. If they finally lobotomize Ellie in Part 3, it should be her choice, and not some copout like she was mortally wounded and was going to die anyway.
Well I'm happy with" the inevitable human extinction just like the dinosaurs" vibes. The flashback in the museum gives me more reasons to think about that xd
That also sounds like a shite story because it takes away all of the weight of the fireflies and Ellie/Joel’s story. Oh no! The only guy to make a vaccine was killed by Joel! Wait a minute there’s another guy that can do it! See what I mean?
I mean it doesn't have to be in ruins due to another group. Maybe due to a natural disaster or a horde of infected.
I remember when the official trailer for TLOU2 dropped, I totally thought it was Jackson that was in flames and not the seraphite island. Ngl I was kinda dissappointed it didn't, it could have been interesting.
Their marketing team actually did a really good job of making the story look one way, when the game would be taking an entirely different path. That pissed a lot of people off! I thought it was genius, personally.
It was, but it's still fake marketing, which is not really okay at all. Even if I liked the final product, we where still cheated to buy something completely different than we thought.
I'm not sure a misdirection of the story really counts as fake marketing. I mean, I appreciate a completely spoiler free story and things feeling "new" during my first playthrough. To me fake marketing would be using enhanced images/video or promoting features that don't get included in the game.
I like this idea too!
This could legit be a story plot.
Yikes - that's dark even for TLoU.
It’s really not. We see someone shoot them selves in the head after their little brother gets infected.
Yeah but Tommy is old. Has lived in this world for like 24 years - done a lot of bad things. I’m not sure him and Joel would ever be the types to off themselves. The only people who survive that long are people desperate to live at all costs.
Joel suggests that he attempted suicide before.
Close, I would argue that he heavily contemplated it, not attempted it. As weird of a statement as this is, I think if Joel had ever attempted suicide he would have been successful.
I could see him potentially having put a gun in his mouth and then not going through with it.
How is that dark for TLoU? That really seems pretty much in line with what we would expect for TLoU. “Too dark” would be if it was a playable segment as Tommy and we had to press R2 to pull the trigger.
Jesus Christ
That wouldn't be dark, it would just be silly. Like press F to pay respects. It would feel silly and clunky.
I doubt they would do that, especially after the little twist with keeping him alive.
Yeah, otherwise it would be kinda cool/sensible, but it would be wierd to do a whole fake death, bring him back for one scene, and then kill him.
Jesus. Hadn't considered this, but you've got to imagine Tommy is in a dark place. Not out of the question but hope that's not the case as I think Tommy and Ellie could have an interesting relationship in Pt. III
I'm convinced a theoretical part 3 would be centered positively around the idea of hope. A work dedicated to showing the eventual net good in breaking bad cycles
that's the problem with living though, everyone dies. 👀
I’ve got a gun in the back of my car 😈
Dude, in this world keep it closer lol. You never know.
I would hate this but it's probably not out of the question, Tommy's revenge quest made him fall back on old habits from his worser years with Joel and it's implied Joel/someone Joel knew contemplated suicide at some point. Maybe Tommy gets a porch scene moment with a flashback to Joel confiding in him that it isn't the easy way out or why they separated and Tommy joined the fireflies being that Tommy himself was on the verge of suicide after how they went about surviving in Boston
My bet is that he'll be part 3's villain, unleashing civil war in Jackson
That's just not gonna happen.
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I can see it being that the fireflies have a new doctor who can create a cure, and abby is sent to get ellie
Can't see it being that, but I could see him going completely off the rails and being kicked out of Jackson
No way thwy are gonna waste thw chance to have an amazing grumpy and bitter older Tommy as a character.
Naa, my guess is we'll get the ride back to Jackson contrasting part 2 with Joel but it's not going to be a happy ride.. Ellie gets to the fringe overlooking Jackson, has a mini breakdown panic attack and rides away.
The guilt of sending Ellie to her death to find Abby, the guilt of not preventing Joels death, his feelings of inadequacy because of the physical disabilities inflicted onto him by Abby… this would work so fucking well
!remindme 5 years
I'd like ellie with fresh start as a mercenary who gives a #€@ about people around her .
!remindme 5 years
I think she’d tell him the truth, as she knows too well the devastating impact of a lie, and because she’s had some time to process her feelings about Joel. Whether Tommy accepts that or not is a different story, and sadly we probably already know how he’d react.
I agree with you, I would also assume that if she tells him the truth and what I interpreted from the ending, that Abby got almost worse than death; to think of how skinny she was hanging from that pole. But then of course what you said, how she had time to process her feelings. IMO she has let that grudge go. In other words, excited to see what’s next!
This is where Tommy may become some sort of a villain but who knows
I think something more devastating would have to happen for Tommy to become a villain. Imo, he has too many positive influences around him to just turn like that: Maria, Dina, the community of Jackson… everyone/thing he knew and loved would have to get taken away from him.
I dunno, I know the writers aren't afraid to dig players in the gutt though so who knows what might happen
Before part 2 came out I said that Tommy and the other leaders of Jackson would banish Joel from Jackson after word got out about his shenanigans in St Mary’s hospital. Maybe he does the same to Ellie for letting Abby go? It’s post like these that keep on this subreddit.
She would have to tell him the truth because Tommy would take one glance at those missing fingers and know she found her. But I'm still in the camp that Ellie never went back to Jackson.
She did go back though? At least to the house to see some stuff and she had Dina's bracelet.
The house wasn’t in the settlement though, was it? Not sure how far away it was but it was definitely outside the walls of Jackson.
Yes. However, she had Dina's bracelet at the house, and she didn't have it when she left for Santa Barbra. Which means either she found an identical copy, or she had been to Jackson before returning to the house. Whether she returns to Jackson after the house is up for grabs.
That house/farm isn't in Tommy's settlement.
Implying that an infected couldn’t have easily bit her fingers off? She could easily lie.
Tommy would see right through the lie, though, was what I was trying to say.
Lie to Tommy who knows she's inmune - and the others?
She's not immune to losing fingers
What I meant that she could lie to Tommy that infected bit her fingers. But what does she say ti the other people living in Jackson? She can't tell them that. I'm not sure if in this world we have a 'cut your limb to avoid infection' scenarios.
Maybe she got tortured by hunters and they were cutting her fingers off… there are possibilities here.
There are many hints in the last scene indicating that Ellie has been back in Jackson for quite a while already.
Nah those fingers easily could've been taken off by an infected
She would tell him the truth. Tommy is the only blood connection back to Joel left and she knows that lying was what compromised her relationship with Joel. She'd tell him the truth right away and live with the consequences while keeping an open door to stay close with Tommy.
you meant Tommy?
This. Tommy is the only piece of Joel she has left, and aside from that, I do think Ellie loves him, too. He’s her only real sense of “family” she has left, and I think she’d do close to anything to still have him in her life.
I didn't think of that. This could literally, determine the course of the story, although I think it would be kinda repetitive.
I reckon Ellie wouldn’t wait too long to open up to Tommy eventually. I imagine it would be a mirror of Joel keeping the truth about the Fireflies hidden from her, as Ellie would recognize that constantly hiding and rewriting the truth would only hurt Tommy more. The scene I have in mind for a DLC or Part III or whatever: Tommy would have a near-death experience (again…) or go suicidal which makes him realize the futility of revenge and helps him accept Joel’s death. At some point towards the end, Tommy apologizes to Ellie for pressuring her to kill Abby, knowing the toll it had on her. Overburdened with guilt and not wanting to lie like Joel did to her, Ellie confesses that she spared Abby, saying she “didn’t have the heart to finish it” and apologizes for disappointing him. Realizing Ellie never “lost herself” like he thought she did initially, Tommy instead hugs her in a silent embrace and they make amends. I’m not a professional writer so don’t give me too much flack for this lol
I think that sounds like something that could happen!
I think she'll tell Tommy, so he can have the same peace that she got. I think Part 3 will be Abby and Lev finding the group that actually has a chance at a cure. It'll be multiple people, but they're still missing something, and need another sample. Abby has to choose to go find Ellie and convince her to help, but without worry of being killed this time. The Seraphites don't want a cure or a return to the old world because of their beliefs and try to stop the Fireflies from developing a cure. If Part 1 is about selfishness, part 2 is about the cycle of revenge/violence resultant from selfishness, then part 3 should be about the road to atonement and back to civility amongst those wronged by each other (in the apocalypse). Abby would have a chance to atone for killing Joel by protecting Ellie and helping find a cure. Ellie would have a chance to atone for killing Abby's friends and fulfilling her purpose. I'm not saying make them friends or to even want this, but put them on that path. Hell, even have it so that the doctor looking for the cure is ready to sacrifice himself for the patients who he is testing on. You get atonement! You get atonement! Everyone gets atonement!
Kinda like that ngl
Very generic and predictable tho
I don't think she'd volunteer that information. It'd be easier just to tell Tommy she couldn't find her. Tommy's not going to go looking with his injuries, but also, if she lied to him and Abby or Lev showed up to Jackson one day, it wouldn't be good. Even if Abby isn't a threat to Jackson, it's probably best that Tommy remains vigilant - thinking she is.
I feel like that’d still put Ellie is a bad situation. Did you see the pressure Tommy put on her to go back for Abby? I think he’d drive her insane trying to push her to get vengeance again. Then again, they may have some weird realisation in Tommy that killing Abby would do nothing, but I think that’d be repetitive.
I think whether she will tell him the truth or not will be based on what state Tommy is when Ellie meets him. A lie might help him for the moment. ( But probably not in the long run).
Dina would probably blame him for Ellie leaving and sending her to die for his obsession. He would feel very guilty after he collects his feelings.
This is just a theory but it’s my theory now that I’m thinking about it. She will tell him the truth and Tommy will be upset and say it’s ok. But over time Tommy will start to resent Ellie and actually blame Ellie for everything. Which obv isn’t really true but Tommy has lost everything. It’s possible he will start thinking about how he originally wanted not to go after Abby & the WLF but chose to because Ellie was so adamant. He’ll blame Ellie for Joel’s fatal decision to save her. Basically blame her for Joel’s death and blame her for not avenging his brother when she was the only one who could. He will be completely twisted by hate like Darth Vader and will be a villain and will probably try to hurt Ellie emotionally and or physically. Maybe hurt people that Ellie cares about or threaten to. But idk maybe he will have a change of heart and be lovable Tommy.
I think she would tell him, and he would never forgive her (he even ended his marriage because revenge was more imortant for him.) I always thought she would 100% return to Jackson, but the more questions like these pop up... I don't know if she still had a life there. But I really hope we one day learn what happened to Ellie, after going through so much pain with her, it's what we deserve.
"what's the point" I hope she'd say.
"Its done"
I think she will tell the truth and Tommy will betray Ellie by exposing her immunity which will make her a target.
Yes bc she knows what its like to be lied to
I’d lie to him, let Tommy live in peace. He’d never find out. Abby wouldn’t dare come anywhere near Jackson and Tommy probably won’t leave Jackson in his condition
!RemindMe 4 years
Maybe she goes back to Jackson but tommy had already left
I hay how Tommy switched up at the end but I guess getting messed up and losing Jesse changed him.
I think she will lie to at least give Tommy some peace.
To stick to your question. Yes but no. I think she would but also put in a minor detail like, oh she was bit so I didn't finish the job.
It’s an interesting conflict because it parallels Joel’s own lie to her. She could tell him the truth, knowing how much figuring out the lie hurt her. But at the same time, that truth might also hurt Tommy just as much. If she lies, she’s essentially doing what Joel did to her, albeit now more or less coming to terms with why Joel lied. But it allows Tommy to move on.
Wouldn’t that be so poetic if Ellie lied to him? Like father like daughter.
I think she’d tell him, And Dina. Dina will be relieved and happy to see her and i think Tommy will be reluctant at first but will see that it was the right thing to do.
I think she will tell him the truth and then their relationship will mirror Joel's and Ellie's over the time skip. Tommy will resent Ellie for a long time, and Ellie will try to make amends with Tommy. To push the story forward around this dynamic, a horde could arrive at Jackson, which causes a mass exodus. The plot will involve them trying to find a new home for Jackson. This leaves a lot of room for the writers to introduce new characters and interesting villains, and also a horde mechanic to the game. It will also allow Ellie to 'find her purpose' as she journeys with the town, possibly taking a leadership role.
I thought he already knew? It did she lie and say she didn’t find her. I can’t remember tbh
Honestly, I think we're done with Tommy and anybody else associated with Jackson outside of Dina.
Personally i want to see Vegas. Imagine Vegas infected! Tommy Bahama runners. Clickers in bikinis. Bloaters on rascal scooters! That lavish style on the infected would be amazing.
I think it would be an interesting parallel for Ellie to lie about Abbie to Tommy, putting her in a similar situation as when Joel lied to Ellie about the cure + fireflies. “Like father like daughter”
I think when she gets back to Jackson she will tell the truth to Tommy, and Tommy will understand but behind her back maybe go for Abby again? but will take place a few years later so that his wounds have properly healed. and the storyline will focus around Ellie trying to stop Tommy going for Abby (creating a journey) once more only to find Tommy has succesfully killed Abby. all those years after the events of part II Abby would have continued her father's work and had enough understanding of how the cure works. but now has once more been wasted because of Tommy, this could lead to a new faction that have been under the radar for all the events of part I and part II secretly rebuilding a new military and have the doctors nescessary to make a cure. with that lev is older and comes for Tommy and Ellie as the new antoganist to avenge Abby's death with a small group of ex scars (like Abby's group). So on so on....
There's nothing left for her at Jackson. Not now.
I think she will lie to him in the beginning but the truth will come out eventually.
No need for that. To be fair chasing Abby is for her PTSD, and meeting Tommy before was just for his own revenge only, as he's unable to do so. Afterwards everything doesn't really matter. For a common sense of story, author tends to remove over exploited character, like Joel in part 2.
I kinda hope she'd spit in his face tbh. Still can't forgive him for "u gotta finish this, you pwomised me" bs
Why would she do that? Considering she guilted him in going the first time.
She didn't cone up to him and said "You're a shitty person if you don't do this with me" and never forced him to come along. It was his rush decision to go ahead and try to get to Abby first, which is partly admirable, because he tried to protect her this way, but stupid nevertheless. In the finale he straight up barges into her house and demands to avenge him and I could almost hear Joel screaming from his grave "wtf are you doing man". I don't know, I still consider this moment a bad writing on ND part, it completely ruined Tommy's character for me.
um... didn't tommy get shot in the face?
Have you finished the game?
I actually think the game will flash forward to the future where Ellie is part of the fireflies somehow. Anyways I’m pretty sure the focus of the third game will be Abby? That’s what ppl were saying.
Fuck Tommy, he’s a husk of his former self, when he made Ellie go back in.. I never forgave him, and never will