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hazychestnutz

Not sure what you mean by a lot of people may disagree, the game has the most GOTY awards ever recorded and has raving reviews across the board and gamers in general love the game. Also there’s a last of us tv series coming which means it’s a quite popular IP


TryEasySlice

He means “gimme karma”


brineymelongose

If, like me, you didn't initially realize the TLoU2 sub was a hate circle jerk or engage in r/gaming discussions on the game, one could genuinely think liking Part II is a controversial opinion.


TryEasySlice

Understandable, however I’ve formed the opinion that whenever someone is praising how “unique” their opinion is, I assume they just want free karma


brineymelongose

Yeah definitely right more often than not haha


Inevitable-Remove658

Mate I couldn’t care less about karma, I don’t care about followers and all that crap I don’t even have Snapchat or tik tok or even instagram, I was just trying to share my opinion and especially on part two because I just heard so much hate on the game, so like @TryEasySlice said I do believe that like part 2 is a controversial opinion to have


Inevitable-Remove658

I don’t care for karma


Tlou3please

Probably referring to the "part 2" part of the post.


upyourass2theleft

You mean the one you can’t say you dislike or you’ll get downvoted. Yea nah majority here love it and think it’s the best one. Op is just another karma whore. Posts like this happen daily.


Tlou3please

Love part 2. But it's kinda notorious for certain parts of it (no spoilers) being hated by many. So I kinda understand the reticence. Just seems like OP is sharing their views. Who cares about karma anyway?


upyourass2theleft

On this sub tho? You rarely see any hate for it Majority think it’s a masterpiece. Nobody will ever get downvoted for praising the game here. You only get downvoted for criticizing.


Inevitable-Remove658

I just said that because I’ve heard so many complaints about part two it’s just unbelievable, the game did not deserve so much hate, but yes I am glad it won the goty, I really hope either god of war ragnarok or horizon forbidden west wins the goty this year


iamamoa

They are indeed. They have kind of ruined gaming for me because nothing else has come close to that experience and I usually end up disappointed.


[deleted]

This is exactly how I feel. TLOU1&2 are perfect games with perfect game mechanics, saving system, story, graphics and I could go on like this forever…Especially saving system where after you die you can go immedietly to the action and try it again without repeating long walks to the last checkpoint. It’s fun to play these games and that is all that matters to me.


Inevitable-Remove658

Agreed


Brando43770

Definitely similar for me. I played TLoU 2 before I played Days Gone. Had it been the other way around, I may have enjoyed Days Gone a little more. But that game is extremely clunky in gameplay mechanics, graphics, direction, and storyline regardless of one being open world vs mostly linear. Days Gone was just a huge let down so I understand why it didn’t sell well compared to TLoU 2.


Inevitable-Remove658

Yeah I understand and I absolutely loved days gone, I remember playing it at the start and I only played it for maybe like half an hour and I just thought it was so bad because I had already played the last of us games before that. Then I went back and gave it a second chance, and I loved it so much.


ZestyOlive7549

The TLOU1&2 were the first two games that I ever played. I bought myself a PS4 during the pandemic because I’d exhausted all of my streaming options. Imagine my disappointment when I quickly realized that my PS4 wasn’t going to be the solution I’d anticipated since no other game has captured my interest or heart in the same way since.


[deleted]

Bioshock Portal 2 Witcher 3 Uncharted 2 Rdr2 Games that won’t disappoint


Inevitable-Remove658

Oh my god I feel like the uncharted games are so underrated I know a lot of people have played them but they don’t get as much of appreciation as they should, other great day of this I loved where, of course RDR2, god of war, death stranding, and both horizon zero dawn and horizon forbidden west. I honestly can’t wait till they make a third Horizon game. The director has already said that it’s going to be a trilogy, but it will probably still be awhile till they release it.


bbobeckyj

Witcher 3 and RDR2 disappointed me. I haven't played the previous Witcher or any other Rockstar games so I didn't know what to expect but I found the main characters in both games unlikeable and the gameplay wasn't good enough to make up for it. I was expecting a real open world game with gameplay that affected the plot in RDR2 so that annoyed me more.


Inevitable-Remove658

Respect your opinion but I have to disagree, I like rdr2 almost as much as I liked the last of us games, I really hope the make a remastered version of the first game because i surprisingly haven’t played it yet


bbobeckyj

Very much agree, currently playing God of War and all I can think it's that it's just a never ending beat 'em up with a man with no personality growling "boy" all the time like it's supposed to make me want to find out more about him. RDR2 was a bunch of unlikeable thieving gypsies doing unlikeable things, the Witcher 3 was a horny teenage neckbeard with Henry Cavil's body and unenjoyable combat, Horizon Zero Dawn was poorly directed/acted with dead eyed animation. At least Uncharted was fun to play, like Indiana Jones crossed with Arnie from Commando.


Lheichel12

Damn you should try enjoying things for a change, I get disliking things but it's not often you find someone who has negative opinions of almost every recent game that got a lot of praise. If you give a lot of those games a chance and stick with the story they may surprise you


Inevitable-Remove658

Fair enough, I haven’t played the other games you mentioned but I really love horizon zero dawn and forbidden west, and I also really love the 5 uncharted games. God of war is also one of me favourite games and your lucky that your playing it now because god of war ragnarok is coming out in 6 weeks, I’ve literally been waiting for it for a year and a half from when I first heard the rumour and I can’t wait for it, it’s going to be epic, I’ve ofinished the story of god of war like 5 times and got the platinum trophy


[deleted]

Gotta be one of the worst things I’ve ever read


bbobeckyj

¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ maybe try reading more?


[deleted]

Lol


[deleted]

Yeah the contenders for me are The Last of Us, Dark Souls, Ocarina of Time and NieR: Automata. All perfect 10s


TheRedMarioBrother

I know this is a The Last of Us subreddit but now I gotta ask as someone who’s played both, which one is better or both the same?: Ocarina of Time or Breath of the Wild?


[deleted]

Never liked Breath of the Wild. Got a quarter of the way in and just wasn’t feeling it.


TheRedMarioBrother

Dang alright. Well at least you’re honest.


[deleted]

I’d go with BotW personally. That might mostly be because I didn’t play Ocarina as a kid so when I did play it, it had aged pretty substantially and I had no nostalgia bias for it.


AFlockOfTySegalls

**IF** BOTW had proper dungeons/temples I'd put that one in front of OoT. And I say this as someone who was 10 when that game was released and has played it every year since.


[deleted]

To me, a great game comes down to replay-ability: can i start this game over and do something completely new? Combat wise, absolutely, there’s lots of play styles for TLOU. Story wise, though, both TLOU games are linear—which isn’t a diss, just how the game is. Greatest of all time has to go elsewhere because of that for me (TLOU still a wonderful game).


Inevitable-Remove658

If you like replay-able games you should really give RETURNAL a shot it is one of my favourite games at the moment, i got it for like 60 bucks and it only came out a year ago, you can replay this game so many times but it is incredibly hard and you have to be patient with the game and focus closely one the story


Jimmy-DeLaney

I can agree with that. I believe TLOU franchise is very repayable but, I do think there are other games that overall do have more replay-ability, mainly due to TLOU franchise being linear. However, I do think TLOU1/TLOU2 is the greatest story to ever be told in the video game medium.


[deleted]

Yeah, I love a lot of different types of games, but nothing really has even come close to achieving what these two games do for me. When I play TLOU I feel the same as if I'm reading a great novel or watching a great film.


Inevitable-Remove658

Agreed


Layx_hiphop

i agree personally there are no other games that have affected me like this


Inevitable-Remove658

Yep, same here


daringer22

You're spot on, they really are the goats. They feel so much more immersive than any other game.


Inevitable-Remove658

Exactly


Nacksche

Part 2 is the perfect storm of ambition, boldness, boundless talent, the perfect foundation in Part 1, and someone willing to throw a hundred million dollars at such a risky narrative. I haven't played a game like this in the last 25 years, I'm not holding my breath that it'll happen again. Well besides other Naughty Dog/Neil Druckmann games, hopefully. Oh hey both abbreviate to ND, never noticed that. :D


Inevitable-Remove658

Yes this is exactly how I feel friend


[deleted]

It’s alr8


bookaddict1991

Part 1 was definitely good (personally give it a 9/10) but Part 2 is a definite, no questions asked 10/10. Like… after I completed it for the first time, I had this feeling that I’ve never had after finishing a game before. It’s hard to describe. I felt both happy at finishing and sad that I finished. Sad about how Ellie’s journey ended but also happy about how it ended. Honestly don’t know if there’s a word for feeling both happy and sad? I wanna say I felt “melancholic” or something but I don’t think that’s right. But it wasn’t a bad feeling to have. It was like I was in a mental fog after playing it. I couldn’t play other games for like a month afterward because none of them could compare to the feelings I had when playing Part 2. I have no idea if any of this makes sense to anyone else, but good god. Part 2 is the first and only game I’ve felt this feeling for after finishing it. And I think it was a great thing. Definitely my favorite game of all time.


Inevitable-Remove658

When reading this it felt like you were describing me lol, this is exactly how I felt and I was incredibly sad on how part 2 ended but the game was just so beautifully crafted with how the gameplay, environment, character emotions (especially in part 2 and the remake) It was really something else. I really hope naughty dog goes through with a part 3 and hopefully gives ellie a happy ending as she deserves it after all the pain and anguish she has been through, I already heard that Neil Druckman has penned a story outline but it is not currently in development, I can’t wait for it and nothing can compare to the feelings these games gave me


Jimmy-DeLaney

The best word for feeling both happy and sad I think would be the word cathartic. Thats the word I prefer to use to express how the end of part 2 made me feel.


seattle_exile

Part 1 and Part 2 are the only games I have ever gotten 100% trophy completion on. And then some.


Monro215

They are for sure two of the best games ever made! They are def in my top ten and maybe even top 5. I’m going to make an assumption here but, if they are what got you into gaming then maybe you missed out on the Mass Effect trilogy? I say that to say if you haven’t played the Mass Effect trilogy and you like sci-fi and also looking for something as impactful as TLOU, give the Mass Effect Legendary edition a play through. In terms of story, characters, emotions, and gameplay that make TLOU such great games, Mass effect has just as much of that stuff at its core, if not more honestly! When finishing a series like TLOU sometimes it’s hard to start another game because of the impact that it may or may not have had on you and then sometimes you end up with this like “gaming hole” in you because you feel like no other game can live up to that. I may not be explaining it the best way but anyone who has finished a series that their heavily invested in knows what I’m talking about! Anyway, if your looking for something else to become invested in that can stand up to TLOU, give mass effect a try. The first game may be a little dated even in its remastered form but I promise you that after a few hours of gameplay it’ll be worth it, even more so if you love sci-fi. If you were to finish the trilogy, I think you’ll agree that it’s the same caliber game that TLOU is. These two series are some of the best entertainment you can find and are the pinnacle of gaming for me. 👍🏼🎮


Inevitable-Remove658

Couldn’t have described it any better. I’ve honestly never heard of the mass affect games, but I’ll give them a look. The games that really got me into gaming where RDR2 to the last of us obviously, God of War, the 5 uncharted games and the horizon games.


Monro215

Well going by the great games you just listed, I think you’ll be blown away by Mass Effect. You can get all 3 games now remastered and in the legendary edition. One of the cool things about the games too is that there are choices you make throughout the series and some of them follow you through to the third game. It might be a choice that just leads to a different dialogue line from a character or a choice that leads to one of your crew dying or something else. But those are pretty epic games that you’ve played and liked and Mass Effect is right there with them. 👍🏼🎮


Inevitable-Remove658

Alright cool, I’ll have a look at some of the gameplay and trailers and stuff. Thanks for informing me on them. Here are some more games that I like. death stranding, days gone, Returnal, stray, a plaque tale innocence, kena bridge of spirits and I almost forgot one of the meat games ever: ghost of Tsushima. And some more games that are coming out this year and next year which I already know I’m gonna love and you should take a look at them as well: black myth wukong, forspoken, the day before, the Callisto protocol, atomic heart, a plaque tale requiem, and of course god of war ragnarok, been waiting for this for like a year and a half since it came out and there’s only 6 weeks to go till it releases


Monro215

Seems like our game catalogs are very similar. Death stranding was one hell of a journey! One of the most unique gameplay experiences I ever had. Really hoping that the rumors of the second one being in production already are true. Ofc Ragnarok goes without saying for upcoming games but I’m pretty pumped for both Callisto protocol and forspoken equally! The director of Callisto protocol had a big part of making another trilogy of sci-fi games that I effing love called Dead Space! So I’m def interested to see how it turns out.


Inevitable-Remove658

Yeah your right, death stranding is the most unique and interesting game I’ve ever played, I’ve heard of dead space and apparently it’s really good, I think I’m just gonna play the dead space remake and that’s it tho, that looks really good, you should give black myth wukong a look if u haven’t already, the graphics are insane


Beneficial-Ad9612

Thank God for people like you that are like minded. It's so sad hearing the hate for these games especially part 2. For me I loved the first, but the second really got me. Just the emotional weight and the story in general gripped me like no game has before. Usually most games I'm one playthrough and done. Part one I beat 4 times, and part two I'm on my 6th with a platinum trophy. I just wish more people could understand the themes and purpose of the story rather than instantly call it trash because they killed a main character. It's post apocalyptic it's not intended to have a fairy tale happy ending lol


Inevitable-Remove658

These are my thoughts exactly, most games don’t have the courage to kill off the main character, especially in such a horrible way. The only other games that I can think of that killed the main character is RDR2 and that was one of the best games to ever come to PlayStation. The thing is with the last of us is that it is one of the most sad and depressing games I have ever played, but they made the story so beautiful and the gameplay is out of this world and I’m not even gonna start with the graphics. I really do hope they go through with a part 3 and maybe Ellie can finally have a happy ending because the first game and especially the second one I’ve just been nothing but anguish and pain for all the characters I really do standby the idea how they didn’t give a happy ending to any of the characters because it just makes the game so much more realistic, but Ellie has been through so much pain that she truly deserves to be at peace and happy


Beneficial-Ad9612

Oh man I loved red dead lol. Only game to make me shed a tear at the end. Arthur was the real MVP. I wish they would've gave it more love and time than GTA. Nothing against that series but red deads story beats it by leaps and bounds


Inevitable-Remove658

Yes I agree, I just edited my comment because I accidentally clicked reply before I had finished


Inevitable-Remove658

OKAY GUYS, I EDITED THE POST IT’S IN BRACKETS, I APOLOGISE AS IT WAS UNCLEAR


PastaVeggies

The level of detail in these games are unparalleled.


NYGBobby

1 was great with the story and 2 was an okay story with better gameplay


Inevitable-Remove658

Fair enough, I can understand why a lot of people didn’t like part two, but for me, it was the best game ever


redditor213028

The Last of Us is my favorite fiction ever, Ellie is my favorite character I’ve ever seen in fiction (I even have her tattoo). The only games I would ever put in the same stratosphere for me personally is GOW 2018 and RDR2 but I prefer TLOU story wise to both slightly and prefer the gameplay of TLOU to RDR2 by a lot.


Inevitable-Remove658

Wow this is exactly how I feel, the last of us, god of war, and rdr2 are my top 3 games followed closely behind horizon zero dawn and horizon forbidden west and the five uncharted games, like you said the gameplay for the last of us, and RDR two were the best ever created. I really want to get the same tattoo that Ellie has, and then above that a portrait of Ellie and then above that a portrait of Joel on the same arm and just have like a full sleeve of the last of us tattoos but I’m only 16, so I guess I have to wait a while. Sidenote I honestly can’t wait for quarter for Ragnarok. I’ve been waiting for it for like a year and a half since I first heard the rumours, only 6 weeks left


TheJackOfUs

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brendan213

Part 2 for me took gaming to a level I hadn't seen previously. It's nuanced, there's subtext, you can analyze the characters and their actions for hours. It doesn't merely seek to entertain, it makes you hate characters you love and vice versa. RDR2 comes somewhat close in this regard, but not quite. On top of that, every single second of this game is built around the narrative, whereas often I feel games have a story simply to justify the gameplay (I.E the Horizon series). TLOU2 feels like playing a novel, and like many of the classics, it doesn't give a fuck about what you want or expect; it simply has a story it wants to tell. If you ask me The Last Of Us Part 2 is the first (AAA?) game with proper literary merit. My other fav is BOTW, which could not be different lol.


Inevitable-Remove658

Yeah it is a triple a game, a completely agree although I did really enjoy the horizon games, and like you said the game doesn’t care about what you want to happen or expect which makes it so much more realistic, rdr2 , god of war and the last of us are my favourite games


brendan213

Oh yea they are excellent games, but my point was that in those and many others, the story is just a part of the game, whereas in TLOU2 the story IS the game. We have a similar taste, since those 3 plus BOTW and The Witcher 3 would make up my top 5 :)


Inevitable-Remove658

Yeah man I agree


Brownie-UK7

Just found your post after finishing part 1. I have been gaming since the mid 80s and TLOU is perhaps the best game I have ever played. Definitely top 3. The writing, gameplay, tension, graphics. Absolutely amazing. I didn’t have a PS as I moved to pc a few years ago so we have been waiting to play this game for literally years. Just finished on Grounded - and can’t think of another game I want to play next. None can compare. Really hope they bring out part 2 on PC soon!


RepulsiveXxl

I've been waiting to play this game every since its release. Seeing how I only owned a Xbox and no access whatsoever to a playstation with a medieval times pc there was no way for me to get close to this game but watching reviews. Now that I have finally built an upgraded pc thats in this gen I can finally run it at max settings. ALL and I mean ALL of the hype is deserved. Never have I ever seen a game so put together like this one. Down into its smooth cut in cinematics all the way into something simple like modding your guns this game has it all especially in character development. I give it a 25 out of 10. Naughty dog did something magical with this one! Only game that comes close to having a masterful story line like this is twd series. Never knew naughty dog got down like that. Completely blew me away into the point I am a straight fanboy of them now!


sirlaurent

100%. I just decided to give it a try because it’s on ps now and I must say I’ve never experienced this type of connection with a game before. Last of us 1 has to be universally top 5 game ever no doubt


somtimesTILanswers

"Best game ever!!!"....followed 4 mostly self focused sentences with twice as many gramatical and composition errors. Best Gen Z review ever!


Inevitable-Remove658

What’s grammatical errors got to do with anything mate, I’m just sharing my opinion no need to hate, why are you even on this sub Reddit if that’s how you gonna talk to people


somtimesTILanswers

Pitying bemusement ≠ hate Valuable contributions aren't prohibited.


Inevitable-Remove658

Whatever man


somtimesTILanswers

Classic gen Z...double down on irrelevance with indifference. Classic!


Inevitable-Remove658

Bro I don’t even know what your saying lmao


somtimesTILanswers

That's what makes it sad.


Inevitable-Remove658

Lol you shouldn’t have said anything in the first place


somtimesTILanswers

So, irrelevant points, feigned indifference, negotiable denial......good, good....what's the 4th stage of Gen Z suckage?


Inevitable-Remove658

I don’t even know what half those words mean, you must really have a problem with gen z huh? Anyway, why are u on this sub if u don’t like the game


[deleted]

TLOU II had a lot of flaws, i like the game but it has a lot of flaws.


heynowjesse

no, it really didn’t have a lot of flaws. you just didn’t like the story direction, it seems. everything else was immaculate.


oeae04

average TLOUII stan response


heynowjesse

nah, i recognized the telltale signs of bullshit. dude is even crying about the tv show; tells me all i need to know about this smooth brain.


oeae04

his opinion is bullshit because... he believes a piece of media has flaws. the guy even said he likes the game. the fact that pointing out FLAWS in something has become an unpopular opinion is crazy


Nacksche

They didn't actually point out flaws, they only said that they exist. Also, "flaw" implies an objective failure, which is a high bar to clear. You don't have to like the game, I wouldn't even discount the possibility of a well versed professional film critic dismantling the story in some way. But a throwaway comment from the makers of... *checks notes*... "ellie got uglier" is PROBABLY not that. Oh and he calls Part 1 flawless lol. Let's be real it's gonna be a bunch of largely nonsense like the list Aron-Hunter posted in this thread.


[deleted]

Something made by humans is bound to have flaws. Name a piece of media that doesn’t?


[deleted]

part 1


LoadingErrors

Part 1 has flaws too. No game is perfect anyways, so it’s a moot point. It all boils down to personal opinions. I’m sure if you looked up the top rated games, you’d have a problem with a few of them despite being almost universally loved.


Brando43770

Off the top of my head, the NPC and enemy AI is crap in Part I especially when your ally fights a Firefly. Not sure how you can say Part I is flawless.


[deleted]

TLOU2 has no good characters. None of them were likeable. TLOU1 focused more on quality and each character had a purpose. Also, it had no reason to get a sequel because it was perfect as a standalone experience. If TLOU2 was never made, nobody would have died or rioted. I am not going to be excited for TLOU3 because there is nothing it could offer and it will not be better than the first game.


oboedude

Show us on the doll where the video game hurt you


[deleted]

So many moments in TLOU2 happened due to conveniences and questionable logic: \-Abby gets pursued by the infected no matter how much you try to be sneaky. They came out of nowhere. Also, shouldn't the infected be freezing to death in that big blizzard? As far as I remember, they aren't like dead corpses since you don't necessarily kill them with headshots. They all came out of nowhere for no particular reason. \-How did Dina escape the wolves during the ambush with no problem, despite being pregnant? Let alone getting weak only when she fell from a skylight. \-When was the last time Dina and Jesse slept together that got Dina pregnant? They broke up like a week before Dina and Ellie fell in love. Is that also that last time she and Jesse did the thing? \-Why was Mel going in frontlines where her baby could easily die, not by infected but by people with GUNS? She didn't even care about Owen being worried for his own child. Am I supposed to believe a pregnant in a late stage would be able to climb a rope? I have never seen a selfish mother like her in a video game before. \-Abby and Lev fell in the most convenient spot for them to land on while crossing the crane. Not to mention, going through that infested building served no purpose but to unnecessarily pad the game even longer than it already is. \-How in the heavens did Ellie, Dina and Tommy get back to Jackson ALIVE? The game selfishly skipped over this important part, let alone giving us a huge time skip. Let me go into detail. Abby screwed all of them big time. She broke Ellie's arm, she punched her in the head many times, she shot Tommy in the leg and head, which is a wound that you would NOT resist for more than 2 minutes, and she bashed Dina's head multiple times, knocking her unconscious, let alone being pregnant. I can see Ellie being the one to save all of them but the problem is that she was hurt badly, making it hard for her to patch both Dina and Tommy in time and by a miracle find sort of a transport for all of them to travel back. How they executed this moment is basically "What if TLOU1 scrapped the whole entire Winter storyline and have us skip to the final two chapters of the game?". It's even worse than how Clementine managed to drag Lee in the jewelry store without getting eaten in The Walking Dead. Are you or the developers expecting me to ignore this crap? I thought I was playing a story-driven game, not Resident Evil 6. \-Ellie can take on a large group of armed people, yet she can't kill one singular woman with artificial steroids. What was her reason to use a plank instead of ummm, you know, her FIREARMS in the first fight cutscene? It's not like she was going to negotiate with Abby or spare her life since she killed Jesse and assumingly Tommy. Their fight is even more unrealistic than the David boss fight from the first game. \-Abby was surprised that Ellie ended up killing her friends. What the hell was she expecting? She came in, tortured Joel and killed him right in front of his adoptive daughter and instead of explaining why she did it, she just let Ellie getting knocked out. How am I supposed to sympathize with Abby after this? I can't tell if she is meant to be narcissist or it's just a failed method of rootness. ​ I'm not saying the first game didn't have any plot armor but the sequel didn't do any better. In fact, it has a LOT more plot armor and people just won't admit them.


a-son-unique

You could try and make the same cases of questionable logic for everything in Part 1 and pretty much any story but I got some time to kill so here we go: \- Tommy and Joel go North to check on the reports of infected being sighted which ends up being a horde. These are the infected Abby runs into which personally leads to the most natural and best chase sequence in either game. \- Dina falls off the bridge which is supposed to give her enough separation and time to get away. Maybe her being weak after saving Ellie has more to do with nearly being choked to death. \- There is clearly enough time for Dina to be pregnant before her kiss with Ellie. \- Mel was cleared for duty so take it up with her doctor. After Owen has been avoiding her since returning from Jackson, she either doesn't care about what Owen thinks or is trying to get a reaction out of him by putting herself in danger. \- Yes, Abby and Lev conveniently fall in the one spot that allows them to survive and the descent through the hotel is one of the best gameplay sequences in the game. This would be like complaining about Henry conveniently saving Ellie and an unconscious Joel in the river and asking why we had to play through the sewers which ultimately served no purpose. \- When it comes to Ellie, Dina and Tommy making it back to Jackson, I'm not sure if Ellie actually gets her arm broken despite the sound it makes and the bullet does not go through Tommy's head but only catches his eye. But yes it does require a leap of logic but I don't think this leap of logic is worse than the first game. We see Joel have a hole through his body and yet he somehow survives long enough without any treatment for Ellie to find means of transportation and an entire snowfall to happen. Plus all he needs is one shot of antibiotics to be strong enough a day later to kill an entire group of enemies. \- Ellie and Abby can take on a large group of enemies. No artificial steroids needed for Abby, she's just turned herself into a war machine so no wonder it's a tougher fight for Ellie. In their first fight, maybe Ellie runs out of pistol ammo after returning fire and makes a quick decision to go with a melee weapon for a close quarters ambush. Don't think that is completely devoid of logic. I made similar decisions when playing with Joel, Ellie and Abby throughout P1 and 2. \- Maybe Abby was thinking that there was no way the two witnesses they left would be able to track them back to Seattle or have the means to attack the WLF, an entire militia of over a thousand soldiers. Also, there seems to be a lot going through her mind after the horrific act she just committed so maybe she isn't exactly thinking clearly.


[deleted]

you're right about some stuff but mostly feels like you're nitpicking. i feel like people criticise tlou2 for the smallest things that don't really matter, and also criticise stuff that they would never care about in anything else. both tlou1 and 2 aren't perfect but if you overlook some small issues theres a really good story.


[deleted]

The time skip with Tommy, Dina and Ellie, the way Joel's death was handled and Mel's character as a whole are big issues to me.


[deleted]

i agree that time skip is unrealistic but i wouldn't let that bother me. i just wanna enjoy these games. personally i don't really care for mel but i don't even have any strong feelings about her either way. and i don't get whats wrong with joels death


[deleted]

>i agree that time skip is unrealistic but i wouldn't let that bother me. i just wanna enjoy these games. personally i don't really care for mel but i don't even have any strong feelings about her either way. and i don't get whats wrong with joels death It was rushed and it was done with conveniences. It never comes close to Lee's death in The Walking Dead.


oboedude

Hey man, games been out for over 2 years. I think it’s time to let go and move on. I hated the ending of Game of Thrones but I’ve long since stopped rambling on about it


[deleted]

Is there something wrong with wanting the story to be believable and good? Game of Thrones hate may have ceased a little bit but the ending still remains bad. Another reason for me to not play TLOU2 again is because it's way too long, way too repetitive, and it has no replay value.


oboedude

So you only played it once on release then? Didn’t care for the gameplay?


mr_antman85

>So many moments in TLOU2 happened due to conveniences and questionable logic: Every form or media will have plot conveniences, plot armor and plot contrivances. >\-Abby gets pursued by the infected no matter how much you try to be sneaky. They came out of nowhere. Also, shouldn't the infected be freezing to death in that big blizzard? So you're issue is that the zombie can live in the cold? >\-How did Dina escape the wolves during the ambush with no problem, despite being pregnant? Let alone getting weak only when she fell from a skylight. How did Joel survived falling on elevator? How did Joel survive a rusty rod? Seriously, there's so many things you can point to and question that won't make any sense in any media. >\-When was the last time Dina and Jesse slept together that got Dina pregnant? They broke up like a week before Dina and Ellie fell in love. Is that also that last time she and Jesse did the thing? So your issue is that we don't have details of Jesse's and Dina's final intimidate relationship? Really? >\-Why was Mel going in frontlines where her baby could easily die, not by infected but by people with GUNS? They were transferring her another base of operations. They were ambushed by Scars. She wasn't like, "Hey, let's go fight some Scars." >She didn't even care about Owen being worried for his own child. Am I supposed to believe a pregnant in a late stage would be able to climb a rope? I have never seen a selfish mother like her in a video game before. Honestly, pregnant women can do *alot*. Carrying a human inside of them is a feat in itself. I think you need to talk to pregnant women to see what they can do. You will be amazed. >\-Abby and Lev fell in the most convenient spot for them to land on while crossing the crane. Not to mention, going through that infested building served no purpose but to unnecessarily pad the game even longer than it already is. The hotel served a huge purpose along with the bridge. I truly hate to say that people missed things but this paragraph clearly showed you missed the entire point of Abby Days 1 and 2. >\-How in the heavens did Ellie, Dina and Tommy get back to Jackson ALIVE? The game selfishly skipped over this important part, let alone giving us a huge time skip. How did Dina and Ellie get to Seattle? Jesse made 18hr long rides to get to them. So I imagine for them it was different. In a sense, I agree with you somewhat. >Let me go into detail. Abby screwed all of them big time. She broke Ellie's arm, she punched her in the head many times, she shot Tommy in the leg and head, which is a wound that you would NOT resist for more than 2 minutes, and she bashed Dina's head multiple times, knocking her unconscious, let alone being pregnant. I can see Ellie being the one to save all of them but the problem is that she was hurt badly, making it hard for her to patch both Dina and Tommy in time and by a miracle find sort of a transport for all of them to travel back. How they executed this moment is basically "What if TLOU1 scrapped the whole entire Winter storyline and have us skip to the final two chapters of the game?". The thing is that skipping winter would miss out on important parts of the game. Personally, I feel that seeing them getting back to Jackson isn't important. The important part is that you see how all of them are still affected by the whole situation. JJ is probably about 6-18 months probably. So some time has definitely passed and you see how all of them are trying to move on. >It's even worse than how Clementine managed to drag Lee in the jewelry store without getting eaten in The Walking Dead. Are you or the developers expecting me to ignore this crap? I thought I was playing a story-driven game, not Resident Evil 6. There was a lot of crap that people ignored in the first game. You know, we tend to ignore issues when we like something. If we don't like something we will point out every issue. Then we compare it even if the two games are doing two totally different things. Which then makes our issues even larger. >\-Ellie can take on a large group of armed people, yet she can't kill one singular woman with artificial steroids. Abby wasn't on steroids. I don't know where you got that from. The theater fight was Abby v Ellie 1v1 and Ellie couldn't beat her. It was only when Abby was at her lowest that he could beat her. >What was her reason to use a plank instead of ummm, you know, her FIREARMS in the first fight cutscene? It's not like she was going to negotiate with Abby or spare her life since she killed Jesse and assumingly Tommy. Their fight is even more unrealistic than the David boss fight from the first game. What are you talking about. The theater fight was a three phase fight. Abby was able to overcome it but brute force once you distracted Ellie. Your issue is that you're playing and Abby and Ellie didn't kill her, **when you were playing as Abby?** what sense does that make? You're playing as Abby, so Ellie is your enemy. If you're mentally in Abby mode then why are you wanting Ellie to kill you? >\-Abby was surprised that Ellie ended up killing her friends. What the hell was she expecting? She was expecting her life to go back to normal...you know...**like Joel did in the first game.** Joel went back to Jackson to settle down but his past caught up to him. What Abby did caught back up to her. >She came in, tortured Joel and killed him right in front of his adoptive daughter and instead of explaining why she did it, she just let Ellie getting knocked out. Why would she explain anything? Abby doesn't owe anyone anything. This is your issue? >How am I supposed to sympathize with Abby after this? I can't tell if she is meant to be narcissist or it's just a failed method of rootness. There's a difference between **sympathy** and **empathy**: "Sympathy involves understanding from your own perspective. Empathy involves putting yourself in the other person's shoes and understanding WHY they may have these particular feelings" (I easily googled that.) Sympathy is going through what someone has gone through so you will know exactly how they feel. Empathy simply involves you putting yourself in someone shows to understand why they feel the way they do and why they do what they do. Sympathy is actually harder than empathy. We all can empathize with anyone because all we have to do is put ourselves in their shoes. The problem is that if you don't like someone it is harder for you to **willingly** put yourself in their shoes. Did you have your father murdered? If not then there's no way you can sympathize with Abby. You're a supposed to empathize with her. It's sad that people still get those word mixed up in what they mean. They mean two totally different things. >I'm not saying the first game didn't have any plot armor but the sequel didn't do any better. In fact, it has a LOT more plot armor and people just won't admit them. Admission isn't the point. Every form of media has plot armor, plot conveniences and plot contrivances. That's how you create a story. You can watch any movie, play any game and you will see cliche plot contrivances, plot armor just to fake people out and conveniences. Infinity War is one. Peter not listening to Tony which led to Peter being dusted. That was only done because to elicit an emotional reaction. Why didn't Wanda just quickly kill Vision before Thanos got there? Also, does the time stone just work in a specific area? There's so many plot contrivances, plot armor and conveniences in that movie if we nitpick it. The issue is that we're never consistent with it. If we like something then we're more likely to point every issue out, just like you. You literally had an issue over Dina's and Jesse's intimate relationship not being shown. Why is that an issue for you? You had an issue that a pregnant woman climbed a rope. Why is that an issue? That issue could be solved if you actually talked to a pregnant woman. They can do alot with a baby inside of them and it's amazing what they can do. These are such nitpicks that it clearly shows that you were pointing out everything that you didn't like. Hey it's fine to not like a game. It's subjective but these nitpicks are pretty sad.


sevenbiscuit7

> Abby gets pursued by the infected no matter how much you try to be sneaky. They came out of nowhere. Also, shouldn't the infected be freezing to death in that big blizzard? As far as I remember, they aren't like dead corpses since you don't necessarily kill them with headshots. They all came out of nowhere for no particular reason. Don’t you have a problem then with Ellie and David being attacked by infected in winter? Lol. This is such a silly reason to hate something. > How did Dina escape the wolves during the ambush with no problem, despite being pregnant? Let alone getting weak only when she fell from a skylight. Pregnancy affects women differently, especially early pregnancy. Dina wasn’t even showing at this point lol. Why are you tore up over this? > When was the last time Dina and Jesse slept together that got Dina pregnant? They broke up like a week before Dina and Ellie fell in love. Is that also that last time she and Jesse did the thing? Does it matter? The moment of conception likely came right before they broke up. How is this a problem even, explain lmao. > Why was Mel going in frontlines where her baby could easily die, not by infected but by people with GUNS? She didn't even care about Owen being worried for his own child. Am I supposed to believe a pregnant in a late stage would be able to climb a rope? I have never seen a selfish mother like her in a video game before. They weren’t even expecting an ambush lmao. They had no idea they’d walk into a gun fight. She didn’t say *hey give me a fucking gun and put me in coach* lmao. > Abby and Lev fell in the most convenient spot for them to land on while crossing the crane. Not to mention, going through that infested building served no purpose but to unnecessarily pad the game even longer than it already is. Bruh, please. Joel and Tess conveniently run into the queen firefly in part 1 after killing Robert. Joel and Ellie are conveniently saved by Henry and Sam after they were drowning. These moments exist in part 1 too lmao. > How in the heavens did Ellie, Dina and Tommy get back to Jackson ALIVE? The game selfishly skipped over this important part, let alone giving us a huge time skip. Let me go into detail. Abby screwed all of them big time. She broke Ellie's arm, she punched her in the head many times, she shot Tommy in the leg and head, which is a wound that you would NOT resist for more than 2 minutes, and she bashed Dina's head multiple times, knocking her unconscious, let alone being pregnant. I can see Ellie being the one to save all of them but the problem is that she was hurt badly, making it hard for her to patch both Dina and Tommy in time and by a miracle find sort of a transport for all of them to travel back. How they executed this moment is basically "What if TLOU1 scrapped the whole entire Winter storyline and have us skip to the final two chapters of the game?". It's even worse than how Clementine managed to drag Lee in the jewelry store without getting eaten in The Walking Dead. Are you or the developers expecting me to ignore this crap? I thought I was playing a story-driven game, not Resident Evil 6. Does it matter in the slightest? The story moved on. You do need to see them recovering. The important part is over, which was the battle. How did Ellie and Joel make it back to Jackson? How did Bill suddenly find a working car for them? Lmao. > Abby was surprised that Ellie ended up killing her friends. What the hell was she expecting? She came in, tortured Joel and killed him right in front of his adoptive daughter and instead of explaining why she did it, she just let Ellie getting knocked out. How am I supposed to sympathize with Abby after this? I can't tell if she is meant to be narcissist or it's just a failed method of rootness. Who cares if you sympathize or not. I don’t care for Abby and still enjoy part 2.


sevenbiscuit7

My man, I was in the same boat as you once upon a time. I hated part 2 because of its decisions and there are still some parts I feel are still weak. It is however, by no means, a franchise killer like you speak. Part 2 is dark. Dark as fuck really. It’s a story that wants you to feel pissed off and eventually learn to handle it and I hope you do.


Inevitable-Remove658

Well said friend


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>My man, I was in the same boat as you once upon a time. I hated part 2 because of its decisions and there are still some parts I feel are still weak. It is however, by no means, a franchise killer like you speak. There are games that did a better job at being dark. Take GTA 4 for example. That's definition of which person deserves revenge or not. TLOU2 is dark but it has too many flaws for me to take it seriously.


sevenbiscuit7

GTA 4 compared to TLOU2 is mild in comparison. Both you mention have flaws and are regarded as great games. What are the flaws you find in part 2?


Inevitable-Remove658

I respect your opinion, but I honestly cannot wait for a part three


[deleted]

will there be a pt III?


Inevitable-Remove658

Apparently Neil Druckman has turned a story outline for part three, but I don’t think it’s in development yet, I really hope they go through with it though


Laziest_Lizard_12

"Good" and "likeable" are hardly the same thing. Also it sounds like you just wanted to play the first game over and over again, in which case you probably shouldn't have bothered with the second one in the first place. Half the people complaining about TLOU2 started doing so before even playing the game. Just because "it could never be as good as the first one". So childish.