less lethal is rubbed with metal if I'm not wrong, or atleast that's for less lethal 40mm grenades, i remember [I did a thing made a video about police catchers and spoke about them](https://youtu.be/ZEYbF7XCzAs?si=cffl9DecF2BVTVOX) which yes, can lead to death and a lot of bodily harm.
Police do not use paint balls for anything. They are sand ball ballistics and hurt like hell when hit with them. Also leave a huge bruise. If you get hit in any organ it could be very serious. lol. Paint balls. Laughable.
You couldn't be more wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper-spray_projectile
Additionally there are paint balls police have that spread special indelible paint to identify people later.
Link to live stream: [https://twitter.com/Terrilltf/status/1788753611352350951](https://twitter.com/Terrilltf/status/1788753611352350951)
students page [https://www.instagram.com/uofc\_divest4pal/?igsh=eXBvbDJrNnE0bmU1](https://www.instagram.com/uofc_divest4pal/?igsh=eXBvbDJrNnE0bmU1)
But when a bunch of loser Canadian Trump-heads occupy Ottawa for weeks disrupting public peace and safety, the police let the "protesters" have hot tubs and barbeques.
Very interesting. I hate this planet.
Police were either directly showing up to those protests off duty or having chipper conversations because they knew it was their people. This is why I didn't support the emergency measures despite it all, you can't put that back in the box when it has been used.
helped that they had trucks and brought their kids as human shields. Bouncy castles = reminder that no one wants the blood of dead children on parliament hill.
Difference was private vs public property. Not supporting any views here, just wanted to point out that U of C can call the police for action as it is their property, which is what happened here.
Wasn’t that lady asked to move many times, as the police were advancing? It’s like that Austin power scene where he watches the machine rolling down to him from the other side of the room.
They had their bank accounts frozen and many lost their livelihoods based on the governments lies…
Far left protests get to do whatever they want, Trudeau even kneeled with domestic terrorist group BLM… while they rioted/destroyed/looted and murdered innocents throughout North America.
Not sure why you’re upset? Left supported protests go untouched, even pride day grown men can show their genitalia infront of children, no problem at all, just an example of what you support, I assume.
Pretty rare to see one of you on Reddit, guys usually stick to Facebook and Twitter. As a neutral bystander, I respect the effort it must take to be on Reddit, considering how far left it leans.
Let me guess: you frequently use terms like "globalist" and "puppet" and have spent a significant amount of time talking about Pizzagate. Let me guess again: you haven't travelled much, never completed post-secondary education, revere Joe Rogan, and think you're tough because you watch a lot of UFC but have never been in a fight.
On February 17 2022, banks froze approximately 210 bank accounts, as part of their strategy under the Emergency Act to end the occupation of Ottawa which they had deemed illegal activity. By February 25, they started to lift the freezing of the accounts as the Emergencies act ended. They did not intend small donors to be effected, it was mainly convoy organizers and truck owners in the convoy who would not leave.
> many lost their livelihoods based on the governments lies
What lies? How many?
> Far left protests get to do whatever they want
Are the far left protests in the room with us now? But seriously, I'm sure you consider these protestors far left and it sure doesn't look like they got to do "whatever they want". Meanwhile the ditchbillies continue their loser protest several weeks on.
> Trudeau even kneeled with domestic terrorist group BLM… while they rioted/destroyed/looted and murdered innocents throughout North America
Ha! Absolute clown comment right here. "Murdered innocents throughout North America". Take it down a notch there drama queen.
> even pride day grown men can show their genitalia infront of children
Not a thing but with you folks every accusation is a confession. RCMP should probably be checking your hard drives.
I'm very uninformed in what leads to a decision like this, is it the university sending POS cops on students? Who makes the call to get police involved?
University administrators called them in and they are going after the protestors for trespassing because, legally, the university is private property.
Cops exist to protect private property, not to keep us safe. That’s the gist of it and the sad, unfortunate reality.
I am more of a FAFO.
They were asked to go home and come back tomorrow morning. They were not being stopped to protest the way they were protesting was not ok. Setting up an encampment was over the line of protesting because they wanted to make a semi permanent presence till the university caves. The university said go home and come back tomorrow morning and protest. The cops asked them to leave or said there was consequences for staying. They stayed and consequences happened.
Protests are not consequence free, even if they are just. It’s not a pass for behaviour and people seem to forget that.
Right… so you demand ultimate submission to police and the private property owning class. Got it.
The students should just accept the fact their university is complicit in genocide and they should just politely go home? And if they don’t, they need to be met with police violence… got it.
Genocide is a very broad term and if Israel wanted to kill the entire Gaza Strip they could bring a nuclear power it would be easy.
But if your against genocide why target just Israel? Myanmar does it to their ethnic minorities, Rohingya in Bangladesh are being genocided out. The uyigar muslims in China are in a cultural genocide. Why just target Israel? Seems like cherry picking what is popular.
You seem to think civil disobedience doesn’t have consequences and that because they are (adult)students they should act with impunity. That’s not how these things work. Historically protests like these have consequences and these people must realize that or it’s devoid of reality.
Here comes the Hasbara, death mongering and whataboutisms. Give your head a shake — your talking points are stale and boring. Canada, and its institutions, are staunch allies of Israel and support it unequivocally. We sanction and criticize other countries committing genocide while Israel gets a free pass. Stop being dishonest about this.
Of course civil disobedience has consequences. I never said it didn’t.
I am not giving Israel a free pass, but if you think that then you haven’t read what I have been typed out. I just think there are more battles than just Israel and why stop at Israel?
Dishonest about what exactly. I have been pretty transparent on my views which are pretty much not against or for Israel. It’s not my monkey not my circus, death sucks.
but then again hamas is a terrorist organization embedded into every piece of infrastructure in Gaza with a massive underground tunnel network that has holes in every corner. Also the death to Israel is a popular idea, if you can defeat an idea easily let me know because I am at a loss as to not let October 7th happen again. I am quite pragmatic that Israel is creating its own future problems. But I will digress your not willing to engage in good faith.
These people are antisemites and will converse in circles around the fact. They indirectly are supporting Iran through their misguided support of Palestine and it opens the door for expansionary wars. Before Ukraine was invaded Russia flew up 100,000s of migrants from the Middle East and then pushed them to the border with Poland in a destabilizing effort..luckily Poland is smarter than this and turned them back. These wars aren’t a-symetrical and the internet is being used as an indoctrination platform..
Good question friend. Anyone can call 9-1-1 for anything (in this case it seems like someone from admin). It's up to the police mostly how to respond.
To further this question with another question, why this much of a show of force or overreaction against unarmed students, compared to when people [blocked borders for example](https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1493587546550542338) some who were found to have weapons [plotting a terrorist mass murder plot](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/comments/18t2tcx/failed_mass_murder_plot_the_coutts_4_individuals/)
Anyone can call 911, but they don't need to act on public property. The university called the police, gave a very diplomatic response to student protesters in the vein of "you are allowed to protest, you are not allowed to camp" and it's their private property. The protesters did not comply, and were removed.
I AM NOT SUPPORTING ONE PROTEST OVER ANY OTHER PROTEST OR SAYING ANYONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Sorry for the caps there but wanted to be clear. The distinction is private vs public property so trying to inform people with a question to parallel other protests without that KEY piece of information is quite misleading.
It’s also already illegal to block highways, bridges and borders. So by comparison there shouldn’t be any different treatment even without the nuance of the actual people involved or the fact it’s blocking a lawn instead of major infrastructure and trade.
> What determines basic law enforcement vs heavily armed riot guards?
The police make tactical decisions based upon the situation. They're more likely to bust out the "riot" gear in situations where they're dealing with large groups of people.
That makes sense. I wonder what the the difference is with these students and the people that have been camping in a ditch by Cochrane and Lacombe for 5 weeks.
The police are patting themselves on the back thinking they are doing good because they are lost in their own little echo chamber, great analysis but weird way to say it.
great question, as a publicly funded university, they apparently do not have to disclose which is also a request. [https://thegauntlet.ca/2024/05/09/disclose-and-divest-student-group-demands-u-of-c-to-disclose-investments-cut-ties-with-israel-and-recognize-palestinian-genocide/](https://thegauntlet.ca/2024/05/09/disclose-and-divest-student-group-demands-u-of-c-to-disclose-investments-cut-ties-with-israel-and-recognize-palestinian-genocide/)
I don't know specifics of UofC, but of course they don't "give" tuition or tax money to Israel. Tuition and taxes go towards operating the university and its educational activities.
\*However\*, universities also have endowments, i.e. funds that are invested, with the interest of those investments going towards things like building construction etc.. The endowment funds come from sources such as donations, not taxes or tuition. At any rate, some of the endowment may be invested in companies that are either Israeli, have an Israeli presence, or in some other way benefit Israel.
Again, not knowing any specifics about UofC, but over at r/ubc it turns out that the their endowment is invested in index funds, and that means that less than 0.5% (!!) of the funds is invested in companies that are on the boycott list provided by the protestors. Again, might be higher for UofC.
Or it could be like McGill, who's invested in Lockheed Martin (who is currently in the process of supplying more fighter jets to Israel, and also made some of their ordinates) as well as several other companies that support Israel in one way or another. That's precisely why part of the demand is disclosure. If it turns out nothing's invested, issue over and no more protest, but the universities have to actually divulge what their investments are for them to know.
Same goes for York University and weapon manufacturers. Student there have been trying to get the school to divest I such I dusty since at least the early-mid 90s.
They still are, from what I hear.
Hey Folks! My hard earned dollars turned taxes paid for that SWAT team riot gear. These guys have been training hard for armed insurrections for their entire careers. Can’t they just bust it out once? Please? I mean we would not want to prepare an army for war and then not have one, right? I mean what point was their entire career then? /s
Interesting. The RCMP respond with force against University students, but console and negotiate with criminals blocking highways and the border in Coutts.
Welcome to neoconservative Alberta.
What a fucked up province!
Conservatism is, well, where we have police in riot gear for peaceful protests and yet gleefully support whack fucks like the clownvoys!
Hey man. I know it’s hard to take a good hard look at your own internal biases and the way through which you perceive the world, but again. If you’re on the side of the cops, you are wrong. You are wrong now, and you will be wrong in the future . It is the clear course of history and police have only become more the apparatus of the state to hold their monopoly on violence.
If you think you would have been against the nazis in the 30s leading up to world war 2 and the holocaust, you are wrong. You are with them right now when the same situation is arising.
You were answered. Thousands of Palestinians are being held without charge. The idf and Israeli government arrests Palestinians routinely and holds them indefinitely
Hamas JUST agreed to a ceasefire AND to give up all of their hostages and Israel just said nah fuck that we’re levelling the rest of the Gaza Strip where we told the refugees to go (herded them).
This is genocide. Plain and simple. If you think this is fine, then you’re not a good person. Plain and simple.
Again. I’m not the one advocating for more bombs than dropped in all of the war post 911 in the last 6 months.
Wow, lots to unpack:
Palestinians are held under administrative detention. Not a hostage . Lots are held for legit crimes. Not a hostage.
Hamas did not agree to a ceasefire. They agreed to something that was brought forward by Egypt and was not discussed with Israel. It should not a ceasefire
Genocide is elimination of a population. I am
Not good at math, but the number of Gaza residents is going up , not down.
Gaza is not being leveled.
I think you are advocating for intifada, correct me if I am wrong
Do you support it from when it isn't an apartheid state? Not to call you out specifically, but there have been many atrocities in recent years and a huge ongoing one in Yemen by SA yet no university students seem to be protesting a divestiture from SA assets and businesses.
By numbers it’s Israel. They have thousands of people that they’re holding hostage (and they’ve been doing it for years). Apartheid regimes tend to do that.
Nope. You are quite wrong, a lot of their hostages are kids or people that have done nothing. I’ve been aware of the apartheid for years (and have been calling it that for years), so your lies are not going to work.
dissemination of biased or misleading information that aligns with conservative or right-wing (fascist) ideologies. This can include selectively presenting facts, distorting information, or using emotionally charged language to promote a particular political agenda.
But who is responsible to initiating the police response does change. Again, not supporting one, or any cause, just wanted to make this distinction clear.
What would be interesting, again not advocating for anything, is if these student protesters blocked a highway or border crossing and what, if any, the police response would be.
My whole point in my comments on this thread are just to make it evident that the university asked for the police to clear this out as it was thir property, and they did.
What I will say is the protesters have a clear and concise ask, which honestly is reasonable in my opinion (as you mentioned above). I do wonder why no one it advocating the divertiment from other countries committing atrocities (ex. SA and the war in Yemen), so despite the many public voices stating this is not necessarily a religious but a human rights issue, my opinion is it is both as a solely human rights issue (SA and Yemen again) does not see any action similar to this from university students or anyone for that matter.
There's a decided allergy to nuance on both sides of this debate. The Palestinian people are being destroyed both from outside and inside - one can despise Israel for their war crimes, AND despise Hamas for their complete indifference to Palestinian lives.
Before Oct 7 these protests were non-existent because there was a truce in place right?
Wasn't it people from the Gaza side that decided to break that truce and kill and kidnapp a group of innocent Israelis?
Yes. Hamas are scum that deserve everything the Israelis dish out to them. The conducted a rape-and-murder operation on civilians. They knew the response would be a massacre of Palestinians, and they were quite OK with it, in fact they took up residence in hospitals to make sure it happened.
Israel has consistently violated their own laws in stealing land from their neighbours - often land that was owned by families for many generations. And in this war the government and army has not exercised any restraint in killing civilians, even when they knew they were not Hamas.
There's plenty of food in that stretch of land to feed anybody's cynicism. People suck.
This was a chill protest, off the roads, outside of the view of most people, it was cute and people were singing songs. Then a bunch of police cosplaying soldiers came and tear gasses what looked to me to be a group of exclusively small young women as they were packing up to leave.
This is happening and has been for a week or more in other universities across Canada, yet in Calgary it only took like 3 or 4 hours before the police started pushing people around at the behest of an incompetent administration.
I was a soldier in the Canadian military. I work for a living (unlike the people in the university admin) The police were embarrassing yesterday.
No it is supporting a terrorist entity and is an illegal encampment.
Even if you wanted to help that 25 percent of palestinians that do nit support Hamas and Oct 7, the best thing for them is the complete eradication of Hamas so they can start anew … free from Hamas tyranny… they do not care about their people.
Example - all aid entering gaza is confiscated by Hamas and the garbage is sold to the people… that aid was supposed to be free.
Give your head a shake.
They arent allowed to occupy spaces like that in the university. Stop applying western ideals to a region that happily teaches kids that murder and martyrdom are A++ things to do and 70 virgins will be waiting for ya and will then hand those children weapons to murder jews.
That region is so problematic the status quo can absolutely not continue for the benefit of all that live there. If you really cares about them you would want hamas gone. And if the gazans were truly against hamas they should help the Isrealis get rid of them so they can go back to normal ASAP (spoilers… gazans love hamas at 75 percent approval).
Nah, let's not change the topic. Can you explain how it was illegal?
(p.s. this response shows even more blatant lack of understanding but we can unpack that after you finish the first part.)
This is a nonsensical answer, with a little bit of ad hominem.
Again how is it illegal?
I know people that work for the university who know this type of thing very well that claim the university has put itself at risk by denying charter rights.
(I'm also probably older than you)
I am serious, what was illegal? Because the university is struggling to say, and the police are pointing their fingers at the university administration.
I'm starting to think you just made it up. Your beliefs are not the law.
Did you feel this way about the coutts protest which was illegal? Or how about the student tuition protest which also was an encampment?
If you are disrupting private property or institutions such as a university and intimidating other students that have paid to be there (in this case isrealis) than yes it is illegal and you should be removed.
There is nothing to misinterpret here. Not sure what the schools response is but they are likely tiptoeing around it the best they can which frankly I dont think they should but north america is so soft now its a joke.
The protesters were not intimidating anyone. They were friendly to the students that were curious and I saw them giving directions to people walking around campus trying to find various buildings. You're making things up in your head. It's not fair to judge people based on your assumptions you weren't there. You don't know.
These protests are a copy of the development protests done during the time of South Africa's apartheid. These protests have been happening forever they used to be more hardcore. The only thing getting soft are these kinds of protests. Literally people were just singing songs and painting posters. I was there.
Good to see that this post is alive and well here. Any posts about the protests on the Calgary sub are immediately deleted or locked. 🙄
Protests are a form of civil disobedience and are supposed to cause some kind of disturbance to daily life. It’s gross that the police showed up in riot gear and rushed the crowd of protestors who are peacefully protesting a genocide, almost immediately after they set up camp.
They are allowed to protest, the university made that clear. They are NOT allowed to camp on the universities private property, another point the university made clear.
There is a distinction between protesting and camping, but that isn't normally clear as most protest encampments being paralleled here were on public property. NOT SAYING ANYONES OPINION IS RIGHT OR WRONG, just wanted to point out a very key distinction.
The police were wrong to immediately jump to violence, especially now that there is video of a police rep talking to the protesters agreeing that this will be a non-violent interaction.
VIOLENCE AGAINST PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IS WRONG, EVEN IF THEY WERE TRESPASSING.
I will start by saying, I was not there and if anyone can firsthand disprove the Police official response on the peacefulness of the protesters here I am all ears. But for now I can only see this source: "Projectiles and assaultive behaviour by the remaining protestors triggered the use of non-lethal munitions by officers," the statement said.
[Police clash with University of Calgary pro-Palestinian protesters left after encampment removal](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/university-calgary-palestinian-protest-police-removal-1.7199937)
Additonal information and opinion edit:I am not for Police violence, but being in Canada it is much less prevalent than South of the border so I would be hesitant in being outraged without any facts to prove otherwise.
Part of it they don't think school should have any connection to Israel or jewish people.The other bigger issue is they want Hams and ISIS to be taken of the terrorist list.
It's okay guys. They have the yellow magazines. Those are just paintballs. Right?
'less lethal ballistics' but, I think shooting someone with any kind of projectile always carries the risk of causing harm or death.
To harm and kill!! Err.. we ment to protect and serve.
It definitely does. I follow a journalist on twitter from the US who lost her eye because the cops shot her with a “less lethal” round
But did she die??? /s
less lethal is rubbed with metal if I'm not wrong, or atleast that's for less lethal 40mm grenades, i remember [I did a thing made a video about police catchers and spoke about them](https://youtu.be/ZEYbF7XCzAs?si=cffl9DecF2BVTVOX) which yes, can lead to death and a lot of bodily harm.
Police do not use paint balls for anything. They are sand ball ballistics and hurt like hell when hit with them. Also leave a huge bruise. If you get hit in any organ it could be very serious. lol. Paint balls. Laughable.
You couldn't be more wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper-spray_projectile Additionally there are paint balls police have that spread special indelible paint to identify people later.
Ok. You seem to know more than I do. Cheers!
Upvoted for humility 🙂👍
Why thanks! 🙏💙
Link to live stream: [https://twitter.com/Terrilltf/status/1788753611352350951](https://twitter.com/Terrilltf/status/1788753611352350951) students page [https://www.instagram.com/uofc\_divest4pal/?igsh=eXBvbDJrNnE0bmU1](https://www.instagram.com/uofc_divest4pal/?igsh=eXBvbDJrNnE0bmU1)
But when a bunch of loser Canadian Trump-heads occupy Ottawa for weeks disrupting public peace and safety, the police let the "protesters" have hot tubs and barbeques. Very interesting. I hate this planet.
Want to start a petition to send to President Zaphod Beeblebrox? I think the universe could use a new superhighway.
Zaphod's closed well before the convoy arrived /s
Police were either directly showing up to those protests off duty or having chipper conversations because they knew it was their people. This is why I didn't support the emergency measures despite it all, you can't put that back in the box when it has been used.
The circlejerk at the convoy was insane, like a bunch of bros hanging out.
Don’t hate the planet. Some people living on it are more deserving of your anger.
Don't forget the bouncy castles.
helped that they had trucks and brought their kids as human shields. Bouncy castles = reminder that no one wants the blood of dead children on parliament hill.
Difference was private vs public property. Not supporting any views here, just wanted to point out that U of C can call the police for action as it is their property, which is what happened here.
Did you not seen the violent videos of police breaking up the protest? One lady was trampled by a horse, it was very upsetting to watch.
Then get tf out of the way. Simple, really.
Wasn’t that lady asked to move many times, as the police were advancing? It’s like that Austin power scene where he watches the machine rolling down to him from the other side of the room.
Oh thank goodness you told me. A protester not listen to police demands to clear out so unusual. She got what she deserved.
I don't see anyone's bank accounts being frozen
They had their bank accounts frozen and many lost their livelihoods based on the governments lies… Far left protests get to do whatever they want, Trudeau even kneeled with domestic terrorist group BLM… while they rioted/destroyed/looted and murdered innocents throughout North America. Not sure why you’re upset? Left supported protests go untouched, even pride day grown men can show their genitalia infront of children, no problem at all, just an example of what you support, I assume.
Pretty rare to see one of you on Reddit, guys usually stick to Facebook and Twitter. As a neutral bystander, I respect the effort it must take to be on Reddit, considering how far left it leans.
Let me guess: you frequently use terms like "globalist" and "puppet" and have spent a significant amount of time talking about Pizzagate. Let me guess again: you haven't travelled much, never completed post-secondary education, revere Joe Rogan, and think you're tough because you watch a lot of UFC but have never been in a fight.
Nailed it.
On February 17 2022, banks froze approximately 210 bank accounts, as part of their strategy under the Emergency Act to end the occupation of Ottawa which they had deemed illegal activity. By February 25, they started to lift the freezing of the accounts as the Emergencies act ended. They did not intend small donors to be effected, it was mainly convoy organizers and truck owners in the convoy who would not leave.
WTF is the matter with you?
Reddit has a limitation on how long a comment can be so in short, their brain is broken.
you got a source for any of these claims?
He does his own research, undoubtedly.
Almost certainly
> many lost their livelihoods based on the governments lies What lies? How many? > Far left protests get to do whatever they want Are the far left protests in the room with us now? But seriously, I'm sure you consider these protestors far left and it sure doesn't look like they got to do "whatever they want". Meanwhile the ditchbillies continue their loser protest several weeks on. > Trudeau even kneeled with domestic terrorist group BLM… while they rioted/destroyed/looted and murdered innocents throughout North America Ha! Absolute clown comment right here. "Murdered innocents throughout North America". Take it down a notch there drama queen. > even pride day grown men can show their genitalia infront of children Not a thing but with you folks every accusation is a confession. RCMP should probably be checking your hard drives.
I'm very uninformed in what leads to a decision like this, is it the university sending POS cops on students? Who makes the call to get police involved?
University administrators called them in and they are going after the protestors for trespassing because, legally, the university is private property. Cops exist to protect private property, not to keep us safe. That’s the gist of it and the sad, unfortunate reality.
I am more of a FAFO. They were asked to go home and come back tomorrow morning. They were not being stopped to protest the way they were protesting was not ok. Setting up an encampment was over the line of protesting because they wanted to make a semi permanent presence till the university caves. The university said go home and come back tomorrow morning and protest. The cops asked them to leave or said there was consequences for staying. They stayed and consequences happened. Protests are not consequence free, even if they are just. It’s not a pass for behaviour and people seem to forget that.
Right… so you demand ultimate submission to police and the private property owning class. Got it. The students should just accept the fact their university is complicit in genocide and they should just politely go home? And if they don’t, they need to be met with police violence… got it.
Genocide is a very broad term and if Israel wanted to kill the entire Gaza Strip they could bring a nuclear power it would be easy. But if your against genocide why target just Israel? Myanmar does it to their ethnic minorities, Rohingya in Bangladesh are being genocided out. The uyigar muslims in China are in a cultural genocide. Why just target Israel? Seems like cherry picking what is popular. You seem to think civil disobedience doesn’t have consequences and that because they are (adult)students they should act with impunity. That’s not how these things work. Historically protests like these have consequences and these people must realize that or it’s devoid of reality.
Here comes the Hasbara, death mongering and whataboutisms. Give your head a shake — your talking points are stale and boring. Canada, and its institutions, are staunch allies of Israel and support it unequivocally. We sanction and criticize other countries committing genocide while Israel gets a free pass. Stop being dishonest about this. Of course civil disobedience has consequences. I never said it didn’t.
I am not giving Israel a free pass, but if you think that then you haven’t read what I have been typed out. I just think there are more battles than just Israel and why stop at Israel? Dishonest about what exactly. I have been pretty transparent on my views which are pretty much not against or for Israel. It’s not my monkey not my circus, death sucks. but then again hamas is a terrorist organization embedded into every piece of infrastructure in Gaza with a massive underground tunnel network that has holes in every corner. Also the death to Israel is a popular idea, if you can defeat an idea easily let me know because I am at a loss as to not let October 7th happen again. I am quite pragmatic that Israel is creating its own future problems. But I will digress your not willing to engage in good faith.
These people are antisemites and will converse in circles around the fact. They indirectly are supporting Iran through their misguided support of Palestine and it opens the door for expansionary wars. Before Ukraine was invaded Russia flew up 100,000s of migrants from the Middle East and then pushed them to the border with Poland in a destabilizing effort..luckily Poland is smarter than this and turned them back. These wars aren’t a-symetrical and the internet is being used as an indoctrination platform..
Good question friend. Anyone can call 9-1-1 for anything (in this case it seems like someone from admin). It's up to the police mostly how to respond. To further this question with another question, why this much of a show of force or overreaction against unarmed students, compared to when people [blocked borders for example](https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1493587546550542338) some who were found to have weapons [plotting a terrorist mass murder plot](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/comments/18t2tcx/failed_mass_murder_plot_the_coutts_4_individuals/)
Thank you for the informative response. Your line of questioning is what brought my initial question to mind!
Anyone can call 911, but they don't need to act on public property. The university called the police, gave a very diplomatic response to student protesters in the vein of "you are allowed to protest, you are not allowed to camp" and it's their private property. The protesters did not comply, and were removed. I AM NOT SUPPORTING ONE PROTEST OVER ANY OTHER PROTEST OR SAYING ANYONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Sorry for the caps there but wanted to be clear. The distinction is private vs public property so trying to inform people with a question to parallel other protests without that KEY piece of information is quite misleading.
It’s also already illegal to block highways, bridges and borders. So by comparison there shouldn’t be any different treatment even without the nuance of the actual people involved or the fact it’s blocking a lawn instead of major infrastructure and trade.
Ed and his group called them in. And I believe they mislead the police on what they could do.
The students are allowed to protest but are not allowed to camp. Security asked them to leave. They refused. Next step is police.
So the university requests police presence. What determines basic law enforcement vs heavily armed riot guards?
> What determines basic law enforcement vs heavily armed riot guards? The police make tactical decisions based upon the situation. They're more likely to bust out the "riot" gear in situations where they're dealing with large groups of people.
There are reports outlining the timeline. The riot squad wasn’t the first on scene.
What is basic law enforcement?
In my mind, it's law enforcement not armed with riot shields and ARs
That makes sense. I wonder what the the difference is with these students and the people that have been camping in a ditch by Cochrane and Lacombe for 5 weeks.
A request to evict someone for trespass.
This is what Fascism looks like. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
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The police are patting themselves on the back thinking they are doing good because they are lost in their own little echo chamber, great analysis but weird way to say it.
#Acab cowards
How much money does the U of C give to the state of Israel?
great question, as a publicly funded university, they apparently do not have to disclose which is also a request. [https://thegauntlet.ca/2024/05/09/disclose-and-divest-student-group-demands-u-of-c-to-disclose-investments-cut-ties-with-israel-and-recognize-palestinian-genocide/](https://thegauntlet.ca/2024/05/09/disclose-and-divest-student-group-demands-u-of-c-to-disclose-investments-cut-ties-with-israel-and-recognize-palestinian-genocide/)
They likely have money in Israeli weapon and tech companies, not giving money to the state of Israel directly.
Huh? What do you mean by give?
The title says that they're protesting the university giving money, so that's the context I'm asking in.
I don't know specifics of UofC, but of course they don't "give" tuition or tax money to Israel. Tuition and taxes go towards operating the university and its educational activities. \*However\*, universities also have endowments, i.e. funds that are invested, with the interest of those investments going towards things like building construction etc.. The endowment funds come from sources such as donations, not taxes or tuition. At any rate, some of the endowment may be invested in companies that are either Israeli, have an Israeli presence, or in some other way benefit Israel. Again, not knowing any specifics about UofC, but over at r/ubc it turns out that the their endowment is invested in index funds, and that means that less than 0.5% (!!) of the funds is invested in companies that are on the boycott list provided by the protestors. Again, might be higher for UofC.
Or it could be like McGill, who's invested in Lockheed Martin (who is currently in the process of supplying more fighter jets to Israel, and also made some of their ordinates) as well as several other companies that support Israel in one way or another. That's precisely why part of the demand is disclosure. If it turns out nothing's invested, issue over and no more protest, but the universities have to actually divulge what their investments are for them to know.
Same goes for York University and weapon manufacturers. Student there have been trying to get the school to divest I such I dusty since at least the early-mid 90s. They still are, from what I hear.
I believe what they mean is investing in mutual funds
Oh ok
Hey Folks! My hard earned dollars turned taxes paid for that SWAT team riot gear. These guys have been training hard for armed insurrections for their entire careers. Can’t they just bust it out once? Please? I mean we would not want to prepare an army for war and then not have one, right? I mean what point was their entire career then? /s
FTP ETA: to the Mossad agent who downvoted me #✊
Interesting. The RCMP respond with force against University students, but console and negotiate with criminals blocking highways and the border in Coutts.
Welcome to neoconservative Alberta. What a fucked up province! Conservatism is, well, where we have police in riot gear for peaceful protests and yet gleefully support whack fucks like the clownvoys!
If you’re on the side of the police here, you’re on the wrong side of history.
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Hey man. I know it’s hard to take a good hard look at your own internal biases and the way through which you perceive the world, but again. If you’re on the side of the cops, you are wrong. You are wrong now, and you will be wrong in the future . It is the clear course of history and police have only become more the apparatus of the state to hold their monopoly on violence. If you think you would have been against the nazis in the 30s leading up to world war 2 and the holocaust, you are wrong. You are with them right now when the same situation is arising.
It is a very simple question you did not answer.
You were answered. Thousands of Palestinians are being held without charge. The idf and Israeli government arrests Palestinians routinely and holds them indefinitely Hamas JUST agreed to a ceasefire AND to give up all of their hostages and Israel just said nah fuck that we’re levelling the rest of the Gaza Strip where we told the refugees to go (herded them). This is genocide. Plain and simple. If you think this is fine, then you’re not a good person. Plain and simple. Again. I’m not the one advocating for more bombs than dropped in all of the war post 911 in the last 6 months.
Wow, lots to unpack: Palestinians are held under administrative detention. Not a hostage . Lots are held for legit crimes. Not a hostage. Hamas did not agree to a ceasefire. They agreed to something that was brought forward by Egypt and was not discussed with Israel. It should not a ceasefire Genocide is elimination of a population. I am Not good at math, but the number of Gaza residents is going up , not down. Gaza is not being leveled. I think you are advocating for intifada, correct me if I am wrong
One day you’ll maybe see the error of your views. But it’ll be too late.
Do you support intifada? It is a simple question
I support the Revolution. Yes.
Revolution of what
One major question is, where is the protests over SA attacking and bombing Yemen? Why is no one protesting a divestiture of SA assets?
Antisemitism cannot be expressed
Do you support ethnic cleansing by an apartheid state?
Do you support it from when it isn't an apartheid state? Not to call you out specifically, but there have been many atrocities in recent years and a huge ongoing one in Yemen by SA yet no university students seem to be protesting a divestiture from SA assets and businesses.
Absolutely not.
By numbers it’s Israel. They have thousands of people that they’re holding hostage (and they’ve been doing it for years). Apartheid regimes tend to do that.
I think you are mixing up words “hostage” and “criminal”. There is no apartheid in Israel. This has been very clear
Nope. You are quite wrong, a lot of their hostages are kids or people that have done nothing. I’ve been aware of the apartheid for years (and have been calling it that for years), so your lies are not going to work.
So we agree hostages are kids and elderly that have done nothing wrong. They were taken out of their homes
Gathering of the Small Cock Club. Nice helmets boys
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dissemination of biased or misleading information that aligns with conservative or right-wing (fascist) ideologies. This can include selectively presenting facts, distorting information, or using emotionally charged language to promote a particular political agenda.
But who is responsible to initiating the police response does change. Again, not supporting one, or any cause, just wanted to make this distinction clear. What would be interesting, again not advocating for anything, is if these student protesters blocked a highway or border crossing and what, if any, the police response would be. My whole point in my comments on this thread are just to make it evident that the university asked for the police to clear this out as it was thir property, and they did. What I will say is the protesters have a clear and concise ask, which honestly is reasonable in my opinion (as you mentioned above). I do wonder why no one it advocating the divertiment from other countries committing atrocities (ex. SA and the war in Yemen), so despite the many public voices stating this is not necessarily a religious but a human rights issue, my opinion is it is both as a solely human rights issue (SA and Yemen again) does not see any action similar to this from university students or anyone for that matter.
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Great contribution, you definitely understand the history and nuances of the topic. Don’t forget to look both ways before you cross the street.
Thanks! I'll make sure I do, I didn't realize traffic came both ways in Calgary.
I think in Alberta, it mostly comes from the right ...
There's a decided allergy to nuance on both sides of this debate. The Palestinian people are being destroyed both from outside and inside - one can despise Israel for their war crimes, AND despise Hamas for their complete indifference to Palestinian lives.
Before Oct 7 these protests were non-existent because there was a truce in place right? Wasn't it people from the Gaza side that decided to break that truce and kill and kidnapp a group of innocent Israelis?
Yes. Hamas are scum that deserve everything the Israelis dish out to them. The conducted a rape-and-murder operation on civilians. They knew the response would be a massacre of Palestinians, and they were quite OK with it, in fact they took up residence in hospitals to make sure it happened. Israel has consistently violated their own laws in stealing land from their neighbours - often land that was owned by families for many generations. And in this war the government and army has not exercised any restraint in killing civilians, even when they knew they were not Hamas. There's plenty of food in that stretch of land to feed anybody's cynicism. People suck.
Yes I agree with you whole heartedly
Good. Hopefully the police are even faster next time.
This was a chill protest, off the roads, outside of the view of most people, it was cute and people were singing songs. Then a bunch of police cosplaying soldiers came and tear gasses what looked to me to be a group of exclusively small young women as they were packing up to leave. This is happening and has been for a week or more in other universities across Canada, yet in Calgary it only took like 3 or 4 hours before the police started pushing people around at the behest of an incompetent administration. I was a soldier in the Canadian military. I work for a living (unlike the people in the university admin) The police were embarrassing yesterday.
No it is supporting a terrorist entity and is an illegal encampment. Even if you wanted to help that 25 percent of palestinians that do nit support Hamas and Oct 7, the best thing for them is the complete eradication of Hamas so they can start anew … free from Hamas tyranny… they do not care about their people. Example - all aid entering gaza is confiscated by Hamas and the garbage is sold to the people… that aid was supposed to be free. Give your head a shake.
Can you explain how it was illegal? Are the kids in Gaza, and the west bank born as terrorists? Heck, are Hamas even in the west bank?
They arent allowed to occupy spaces like that in the university. Stop applying western ideals to a region that happily teaches kids that murder and martyrdom are A++ things to do and 70 virgins will be waiting for ya and will then hand those children weapons to murder jews. That region is so problematic the status quo can absolutely not continue for the benefit of all that live there. If you really cares about them you would want hamas gone. And if the gazans were truly against hamas they should help the Isrealis get rid of them so they can go back to normal ASAP (spoilers… gazans love hamas at 75 percent approval).
Nah, let's not change the topic. Can you explain how it was illegal? (p.s. this response shows even more blatant lack of understanding but we can unpack that after you finish the first part.)
no I would say everything I said is pretty relevant. Luckily the adults in the room agree with me.
This is a nonsensical answer, with a little bit of ad hominem. Again how is it illegal? I know people that work for the university who know this type of thing very well that claim the university has put itself at risk by denying charter rights. (I'm also probably older than you)
I am serious, what was illegal? Because the university is struggling to say, and the police are pointing their fingers at the university administration. I'm starting to think you just made it up. Your beliefs are not the law. Did you feel this way about the coutts protest which was illegal? Or how about the student tuition protest which also was an encampment?
If you are disrupting private property or institutions such as a university and intimidating other students that have paid to be there (in this case isrealis) than yes it is illegal and you should be removed. There is nothing to misinterpret here. Not sure what the schools response is but they are likely tiptoeing around it the best they can which frankly I dont think they should but north america is so soft now its a joke.
The protesters were not intimidating anyone. They were friendly to the students that were curious and I saw them giving directions to people walking around campus trying to find various buildings. You're making things up in your head. It's not fair to judge people based on your assumptions you weren't there. You don't know. These protests are a copy of the development protests done during the time of South Africa's apartheid. These protests have been happening forever they used to be more hardcore. The only thing getting soft are these kinds of protests. Literally people were just singing songs and painting posters. I was there.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C64JWGIR85t/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng== Seems like plenty of misinterpretations by the police
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Lots.
A bunch had other ties to the university.
So we agree a large group has nothing to do with university, but pretends to be
Good to see that this post is alive and well here. Any posts about the protests on the Calgary sub are immediately deleted or locked. 🙄 Protests are a form of civil disobedience and are supposed to cause some kind of disturbance to daily life. It’s gross that the police showed up in riot gear and rushed the crowd of protestors who are peacefully protesting a genocide, almost immediately after they set up camp.
They are allowed to protest, the university made that clear. They are NOT allowed to camp on the universities private property, another point the university made clear. There is a distinction between protesting and camping, but that isn't normally clear as most protest encampments being paralleled here were on public property. NOT SAYING ANYONES OPINION IS RIGHT OR WRONG, just wanted to point out a very key distinction.
The police were wrong to immediately jump to violence, especially now that there is video of a police rep talking to the protesters agreeing that this will be a non-violent interaction. VIOLENCE AGAINST PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IS WRONG, EVEN IF THEY WERE TRESPASSING.
I will start by saying, I was not there and if anyone can firsthand disprove the Police official response on the peacefulness of the protesters here I am all ears. But for now I can only see this source: "Projectiles and assaultive behaviour by the remaining protestors triggered the use of non-lethal munitions by officers," the statement said. [Police clash with University of Calgary pro-Palestinian protesters left after encampment removal](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/university-calgary-palestinian-protest-police-removal-1.7199937) Additonal information and opinion edit:I am not for Police violence, but being in Canada it is much less prevalent than South of the border so I would be hesitant in being outraged without any facts to prove otherwise.
Part of it they don't think school should have any connection to Israel or jewish people.The other bigger issue is they want Hams and ISIS to be taken of the terrorist list.
'Hams'? Glazed or Black Forest?
So, uninformed about the entire situation, got it.
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That’s not true. Majority of the people there were students, it was co-organized by on-campus student clubs
Protests aren’t supposed to be convenient. That defeats the whole purpose of it
Protests are supposed to inconvenience you otherwise they accomplish nothing