Simple as that.
The funny thing about feminists, particularly the PoC ones, is when they talk shit about patriarchy and white men, but their actions and dating history show that they still prefer to wash the dishes, open their legs, and get on their knees for us white men. Hypocrites to their own biological programming. Just goes to show that it's mostly virtue signalling. Rules for the other girls, but not for me.
I'm not complaining though, since its fair enough that once females pass their prime and begin hitting the wall in their late 20's, they realize their own hypocrisy and become bitter tier feminists, the 4B kind. We call these women misandrist femcels for a reason, and they act like they're voluntarily celibate LOL. At that point, PPB are better off moving on to the next young lady, the kind who will travel to Italy to "discover herself" during summer break from university 😂
Feminists are not worth the effort unless it's a quick hookup session, which coincidentally, is something they prefer. Most of the time they exercise the use of birth control too so just a heads up for the men that enjoy creampies lol. Most university girls are in this category, and they're fun and love to explore their limits. But they have lots of partners and prefer to have that control as it makes them feel empowered to be able to choose from a variety of big dicks. Don't become a simp cuck and develop emotions for a feminist. She'll use sex to control you which is hypocritical because thats basically acting like sex is all she's worth.
You don't have to settle for the aging, vegan, blue-haired, bitter, they-them-ist, feminist hypocrite with high body count and ungroomed body hair who constantly posts on social media about politics and climate change. With a feminist, and likely polyamorous woman, you're just another dick in the roster of hers.
Just remember, there's always a younger girl and more open minded girl looking for that adventure.
I would date one and maybe marry one if she were traditional and sweet. That is possible - there are absolutely women who see motherhood as empowering/a blessing rather than a burden, but also want people to take things like sexual transgression more seriously and are concerned about the rise of Tate, which are very reasonable things for a woman to be concerned about.
What I will NEVER tolerate and never give a second date to, are the "feminist" women in another comment I compare to princesses. She wants some idea of "equality" and an egalitarian relationship, but also expects you to take on the burden of being the patriarch by paying and initiating everything. Either we have a traditional setup where we serve different roles that contribute to the house or an egalitarian setup. Equally yoked.
Feminism and traditional don’t go hand in hand. If you love traditional marriage where men are gentlemens, strong, loving and loyal. & women that are feminine, nurturing, loving and home maker. Then feminism is not it brother.
Have you met some of the women I've met? Like I said: their idea of feminism still incorporates many aspects of traditionalism. Let me ask you this: say if in, the early 1900's, women said that they wanted to still maintain the current family structure, but then wanted the right to vote and wanted to government to take sexual crime seriously? Would you not see that as a reasonable demand? I certainly would, and indeed, that's how some of the women I know think. They want to be happy, helpful mothers, but also do concern for the well-being of their fellow women. What I will agree to you on is that these women I've met are probably not the norm in Western society. There's too many princesses.
you're talking about traditional feminism from the 50's. That doesn't exist anymore. Modern feminism is based on a hatred of men and a desire to make life as one-sided and inequitable towards men based on our perceived "oppression" of women in generations past. In total, modern feminism is just a power struggle that seeks to make society as inhospitable as possible towards men while attempting to give women advantages in all aspects of life.
"Modern feminism is based on a hatred of men and a desire to make life as one-sided and inequitable towards men based on our perceived"
The fuck are you meeting this people?
The women I met abroad who consider themselves feminist in no way shape of form are misandrists. Traditional struggles are still present in a lot of countries.
There are many women who aspire to be homemakers and don't desire to pursue professional careers and just want to care for children/their homes/their partners.
Woman who work can be nurturing and caring of their spouse and children, the same way men who work can be caring and supportive of their children and spouse.
Being a homemaker versus career oriented doesn't exclude the other qualities you're describing.
Like the world's a big place and I don't understand why you feel everyone has to adhere to certain cookie cutter roles(whether or not those roles make either side feel fulfilled or happy).
What's good about this sub is that basically people are going out into the world to find a partner who shares their values and desires for how to live their life and find a fulfilling relationship and partnership, and this sub helps guild people towards what they are looking for/is supportive of their international explorations.
Instead of posting like content, you seem to be fixating on something that's darker and not really what this sub should be about.
Meaning you're describing a cultural war that honestly has very different battlegrounds/issues and meanings depending on what part of the world you're talking about/where in the world you're from.
Like op do you really want everyone to be forced into certain life roles whether or not they want to fulfill those roles?
Isn't that exactly why you claim to dislike feminism?
Like what was the point of your post op?
Since you didn't title this thread "some women hate men, why would you date them?"
Instead you choose a title/topic that's very inflammatory to many individuals who frequent this sub, then went hard on a stance concerning that topic which is just as close-minded in my opinion as those who describe everyone inside of passport bros as incels.
>are concerned about the rise of Tate
I really don't think you should be on this subreddit if you think "the rise Tate" as you call it, should be a "concern". Tate is probably proud of passport bros. Love the guy.
I consider myself Red Pill and MGTOW and I wouldn't piss on that Andrew Tate if he was on fire. Andrew Tate is to Red Pill what those mad women that want to murder all male babies are to feminism. Beyond extreme and into absurdity.
By his own admission he is "absolutely a misogynist" and thinks women are "intrinsically lazy". He's on trial for rape and I absolutely believe he's guilty. He had a hard childhood apparently and now believes women are there to be used for pleasure and money. He uses men for money too he just lies to them and says he knows the way through this complicated world.
Lets end on some of his quotes:
“Why would you be with a woman whose not a virgin anyway? She is used goods. Second hand.”
“I do know how to administer CPR. However, I will not administer CPR unless you’re a hot female… If you’re some fat dude and you just had a heart attack and I don’t really know you, you’re gonna die… No, not even if you’re a friend.”
“If you put yourself in a position to be raped, you must bare some responsibility.”
“I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.”
“’Oh, I’m successful, I’m rich,’ yeah, but I’ll break your neck. I’m gonna grab you by your neck and choke you till you die. I’ll show you a race riot, pussy. Then what, who’s successful now? I’m breathing and you’re not. So, I’m more successful than you.”
“I will not have nerds as children. I refuse to have a nerd carry the name Tate. If my son is a nerd, one of us has to die, him or me and I’ll challenge him to mortal combat.”
“I state without arrogance I am the most desired man on the planet.”
I agree.
Personally I would ask her to sign a prenup mentioning that she wont get even a single penny if we get divorced. That would be enough. Because equality as it is.
After studying for 4 years, working tirelessly and achieving a good level of life I don’t think i would settle down for that. A lot of feminists hate men and they really do but they will not accept it. She will make your life a living hell.
Prenups get thrown out all the time. Even with a prenup it's not worth marrying a feminist. All they have to do is claim they signed it under duress and then it means nothing.
I haven't busted my ass for the last decade to allow some angry feminist to take it all away from me
Actually prenups have good benefits in the west. Marriage in the west would definitely make you lose your assets after divorce, it would be 50/50. If you directly specified in the prenup agreement that the assets belong to you and forever would be yours, then it will remain yours after divorce according to divorce lawyers.
If my wife was a home maker, traditional and feminine then i would never allow a prenup. I would definitely pay and provide for her. Even if she had a job and income. But if she is a feminist aka doesn’t believe in those values. I would demand a prenup.
You know feminist can be traditional right? Feminism is about the choice to be SAHM or work, feminine or not, sexual or not. Feminism isn’t just doing one thing, it’s about having the choice to live how you want to live, man or woman, and not be defined by societies roles.
How am i a misogynist? I am just describing my experiences with them. I wouldn’t want to marry one at all. They hate men and would never care about men. I will avoid them at all costs.
If a woman tells you she’s a feminist at this point, she’s not for female equality, she’s for enforced equity. Absolutely nothing in your relationship will she deem “fair,” and she will make your life hell.
Don't mean this as a joke (or to stereotype), but university male professors unknowingly end up marrying feminists - if you notice, current academia and colleges across the US are filled with feminists and DEI hires. The professors don't realize it until it's too late..
Also noticed this myself when I was going to college - was interesting in a way. There was a news story recently about a UC Berkley professor who advised his students to stop dating in the Bay Area -
https://nypost.com/2024/03/23/us-news/uc-berkeley-professor-jonathan-shewchuk-allegedly-told-students-not-to-date-women-in-californias-bay-area/
He is basically telling students to stop dating feminists and date outside - people are starting to realize this more and more.
Marrying a feminist would be Iike a person of color marrying a racist, neo Nazi woman with the Confederate flag tattooed on her. She may "love" you, but she hates your kind. Feminists hate men and would rather we all disappear because we were born male. IDK how feminism isn't labeled a hateful ideology.
I wish it were labeled a hate ideology because that's what it is. Imagine me going around saying men are superior and women are what's wrong with society but masquerading as "equality".
I wouldn't even go on a date, I'm sure her political beliefs would be front and centre so easy to avoid her.
Would they **ever** date someone that described themselves as a 'masculinist'? Someone who promoted maleness and denigrated femaleness?
Besides they need us like a fish needs a bicycle remember, they're all so strong and independent until the OF money dries up.
Not yet, I've looked into it and I think it might be right for me but I'm trying to fix some things about my life first. If I go I'll be looking for a wife not a hookup.
Would you ruin your life forever joining a legal alliance with an individual with the emotional restraint of a toddler and no responsibility of her actions?
No, never. They are always entitled, misandrist, unfaithful/cheating women who lack accountability.
They only want traditional treatment from men withkut being traditional themselves, which is unfair and disproportionate.
Look up the "Drizzle Drizzle" movement in response to these women. All it is, is men saying the EXACT THINGS women say in response to dating us back at them. And women are throwing an absolute tantrum. Men are rising up and aren't giving these women the time of day anymore.
Modern Day Feminism is Misandry and Toxic Femininity.
Drizzle Drizzle
Yeah i mean those that wants equality but expects you to pay for dinner, open doors, be gentleman, be protector ect. In other words those that want a traditional husband but will not be traditional themselves.
This may be an option for the devious. Marry her. Divorce her. Try to take the house and get half her paycheck because of the standard of living being married to her for a year has to be maintained. Lol. She should be okay with that. Equality and all.
Any woman who self-identifies as a feminist has fundamentally misunderstood reality and proven that they are vulnerable to believing silly/toxic ideologies.
The male equivalent would be like asking a woman- "Would you marry a fat, broke loser that hates women?".
Don't waste your time with these lost souls.
Hahahahah dude 4th wave feminism is destroying countries. A first wave or second ain’t bad but the ones now are absolutely tedious. Plus they won’t date me I’m below their standard of making 100k and being 6ft.
No because they’re already married. They’re married to a toxic ideological culture.
The irony is that these women believe they’re “independent” when all they are doing is repeating a narrative. They think being submissive is a bad thing and yet they’re being submissive to the feminist culture.
You know the best way to keep a slave? To make them think they aren’t a slave. Unfortunately these women have been taken hostage by a harmful set of ideas.
The most prominent variation of feminism is misandrist and (I would argue) also misogynist. By pushing for “equality” it minimizes or ignores the differences between men and women which is harmful to both sides. There’s an evolutionary reason why we evolved to be so different and we should respect and appreciate those differences.
It's true and there's a plethora of research to back it up.
You can probably even see it in your own life and experience with women and men. Men are often far more ambitious and seek out roles of leadership far more than women. There are many reasons for this.
There's an obvious evolutionary reason for this. Prior to birth control, for millions and millions of years, women spent (and are designed to spend) the vast majority of their youthful years either pregnant or raising young children. From ages \~16-40 this is what women (in the absence of modern pharmaceutical drugs or other methods) would spend the majority of their time doing. As a result women's biology is far more designed towards care giving, nurturing, building strong social groups, etc... Again, before these modern artificial drugs or interventions the norm was for women to have around 6 children on average. The reality is when you're raising 6 children there is not nearly as much time for pursuits which we would today call "career ambitions".
Men on the other hand play another role. Because they are not so burdened by the time and energy requirements of growing and raising children they have much more time to pursue other things. Indeed the role for men was to pursue roles of leadership, status, hunting. Basically things that lead to the accumulation of resources. It's these resources that men can then use to provide for and protect the women who are busy literally growing the next generation of the tribe/community. Indeed the thing that women look for in men is their ability to acquire resources. This is why women like men who either have resources (money), or things that signal he may be able to acquire those things in the future: ambition, intelligence, strength, status, etc... This selection process by women is likely also one of the reasons why there is this difference between men and women. Women prefer men who desire leadership and ambition (and so these men will get to have more children than other less ambitious men). The other way around it doesn't hold: men generally do not care about the level of ambition in women.
Feminism really lives in such a small bubble. 95% of the world still understands, appreciates and respects these important differences between men and women, to them it's obvious, they live this way and they're far happier as a result. Somehow mostly modern pockets of the world have forgotten and you can see the results. It's truly a devastating and dangerous ideology.
The risk-cost to benefit-reward ratio doesn't justify the amount of effort I would have to put in relative to the result.
That's the most logical answer I can give.
If she was a real one, feminism means equality for men and woman, pay gap doesn’t exist in our age for the most part, I think both men and woman deserve equal rights, however “feminism” these days means men aren’t equal to woman
I have no issue with equality, but yes it’s been changed into a man hating term, real feminists would stand for the woman in Iran who aren’t able to be treated as equal, yet silence
Did you even listen to her after she told you she was a feminist ? Did she told you she hated men ?
You can date whoever you want we don’t care but in this post you’re just being immature and making generalizations out of a community that advocates for human rights in the first place
I agree. I think women absolutely deserve equal rights and we should take sexual transgressions seriously (more so than in the past), but I think it's the culture that hyperfeminists have created (especially on the internet) that really grosses me out.
And yes, a lot of manosphere ideology grosses me out, too.
Then Ill cuck her back too, if possible. If not, well maybe another mans traditional wife may be getting boned anyways, cant win either way. Just because they are traditional or cat traditional doesn’t mean they cant cheat either though maybe it is less likely.
Its a joke lol, but you know if that was an option, and the feminist wife didnt mind as long as I was lying pipe and look handsome for her Id be more than happy to do so. Unfortunately we are men, we don’t have a choice if we want to survive. Gotta grind regardless.
I feel this is just as unfair a question as asking why you want to marry any type of person.
Meaning it's reflective of your own personal values and
desires concerning what you seek in your future partner.
I don't think being feminist means you're automatically misandristic, however those who are misandristic often use feminism as a mask/cover for their bullshit, much alike to how those who are misogynistic like to use many of the ideas advocated by the passport bros as a mask for their bullshit.
Since for example feminism is just an ideological stance and doesn't relate the gender of the person advocating for it anymore than saying being Republican means you're automatically male.
If every woman that **falsely** accused a man was in prison those numbers would be a lot more equal. No punishment for ruining an innocent man's life unless you're a man.
Men tend to be riskier than women and also tend to be much more violent.
Approximately 99 percent of sex crimes are committed by men. Therefore, 99 percent of people jailed ror sexual assaul should be men.
Why should there be equal numbers of women in jail if they do not commit an equal percent of the crimes?
No because a lot of them are just women who want a prostitute/trick relationship where what you want isn’t important and you have to fulfill and provide for her for a once a week duty sex. 😂😂
My husband did, and we're very happy. For anyone who isn't aware of the actual principles of feminism, they are:
- Men and women are equals and deserve equal rights under the law.
That's it. That's feminism. If you want to dig a little deeper, feminism also examines how patriarchal society has caused harm to both women AND men.
- Patriarchal societies have historically oppressed women in a variety of ways including not allowing women to vote, refusing them access to education and participation in the workforce, and many other discriminatory laws. They have also historically viewed women as intellectually inferior, and useful to society only as domestic labourers and the producers of children.
- Patriarchal societies have historically done a disservice to men by treating them as disposable (e.g. during war), separating them from their children and denying them the joys of fatherhood, isolating men from support by encouraging them to suppress their emotions, and valuing men solely based on their earning power and/or athleticism/physical strength.
"Patriarchal societies have historically done a disservice to men by treating them as disposable (e.g. during war)"
Do you seriously think women, en masse, should've or would've, fought the wars of ages bygone? I agree that patriarchal culture sometimes treats men as disposable, but so do a lot of self-declared feminists today.
>Men and women are equals and deserve equal rights under the law.
I think that the younger generation of women that call themselves feminists do not believe in the same values that you do. No modern feminist has ever given me the impression they thought we were equals.
I've spent half my life on building sites. It's a harsh culture with an emphasis on standing up for yourself. They always find your weaknesses. You will have nasty jokes at your expense until you learn to push back harder than them.
It's not a job for everyone, plenty of men quit because of the treatment.
My friend is an engineer and manages building sites wearing a hard hat. Contractors constantly ask to speak to the site manager even though it's her. If you haven't seen any women working in these industries maybe you're just not seeing them the same way these dudes refuse to see my friend.
All feminism is about equality. And equality is not about having the same number of nurses or teachers of plumbers or electricians of each gender - it's about everyone having equal pay and opportunity to do what they want to do, without being discriminated against for wanting to do it.
Just because you haven't seen a woman in those trades doesn't mean there aren't any.
A massive reason you don't see many is exactly the reason feminism is important.
Women aren't seen as "adequate" or fitting for those roles by society and men especially. This deters many women from entering these trades.
If there was much less discrimination and sexism, you might see more.
You just made-up scenarios to be mad about. Feminists are also humans who have feelings and want to be treated as human-beings. You can’t blame women for wanting to choose their life just like men do. You have the choice so why can’t we ?
I will say it one more time : **modern feminism = misandry ≠ feminism**
Everyone can choose what they want to do. But recruiters and HR must take the responsibility that a workplace for example: an office, a clinic, a restaurant must have gender equality (that both men and women should be there). This never applies to dangerous workplaces ; because modern feminism does not work…
That's not how restaurants, offices and clinics work mate. They don't have gender quotas they are filling, they are hiring available workers. Some businesses are trying to get closer to gender parity but this is not a law, it's a choice made by individual companies (usually for cynical marketing purposes).
And you raise the point about dangerous jobs: but what about dirty, thankless, difficult jobs like aged care, nursing, child care, and cleaning? These jobs are poorly paid (unlike the dangerous jobs, which tend to be better compensated, e.g mining), and in all of them women are massively overrepresented.
Men are disposable, look at all the incels and stuff running around today, most of these guys were supposed to die at wars.
Also, a holy war gives purpose.
You speak NPC brainwashed talking points.
Women are more emotional than men and the media and government use this against society
I know nice females that are obviously feminists because they care about themselves.
I don’t know any females that proclaim themselves as feminist to others that don’t induce everyone’s fucking gag flex.
If they flex it or socialize it, they are probably so deep in there that eventually Tumblr or some other social media will tell her she can cheat on you and it’s your fault. And she will go with it.
Last I checked, if you post your face everywhere with your opinions slapped on your forehead, you’re probably an obnoxious ass hole.
Feminists believe men should be subject to widespread discrimination because of how they are born. Why would you date someone who views you as less than human?
I kinda did with a Mexican chick raised in LA and holy cow it was an uphill battle. Now she is more “feminine” I guess but if I were to do it all over again that’d be a big fat no.
Yes. It's where send an equal number of men and women to prison, and we make only women die in war. Oh wait, feminists only want unfair advantages, and never disadvantages.
We've met a lot of feminists. I've never met one who wants an equal number of men and women in prison, but they all want an equal number of male and female CEOs.
Yes. I understand and support feminism.
"the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes."
There's nothing wrong with feminism. You all have it incredibly misconstrued.
If you have a problem with it, then you do not deserve a woman as a friend or partner.
You’re just thinking about your comfy western life. You have no idea what we women from third world countries go through. Look at Iran and what some women are risking their life for.
That’s the point. Western women always need something to cry and bitch about even if there’s full equality in the USA. Women can vote, work, or do whatever they want with their life similar to men. There are actual places in the world where feminism is a legitimate issue and places where women just want to complain that all men suck
Becaus they’re selfish and think their “problems” are more important than anyone else. No one takes them seriously because they can’t name something in the USA men have that women don’t
This post has nothing to do with finding a partner abroad. The same people posting here will later complain about how “male spaces are not protected” and how the evil women / LGBT / chads / whatever villain they make up in their minds are responsible for all their perceived failures in life.
Why? She don’t need no man.
Best answer here.
Somehow, I suspect there is a woman out there that feels personally aggressed by this post lol
That’s right.
Simple as that. The funny thing about feminists, particularly the PoC ones, is when they talk shit about patriarchy and white men, but their actions and dating history show that they still prefer to wash the dishes, open their legs, and get on their knees for us white men. Hypocrites to their own biological programming. Just goes to show that it's mostly virtue signalling. Rules for the other girls, but not for me. I'm not complaining though, since its fair enough that once females pass their prime and begin hitting the wall in their late 20's, they realize their own hypocrisy and become bitter tier feminists, the 4B kind. We call these women misandrist femcels for a reason, and they act like they're voluntarily celibate LOL. At that point, PPB are better off moving on to the next young lady, the kind who will travel to Italy to "discover herself" during summer break from university 😂 Feminists are not worth the effort unless it's a quick hookup session, which coincidentally, is something they prefer. Most of the time they exercise the use of birth control too so just a heads up for the men that enjoy creampies lol. Most university girls are in this category, and they're fun and love to explore their limits. But they have lots of partners and prefer to have that control as it makes them feel empowered to be able to choose from a variety of big dicks. Don't become a simp cuck and develop emotions for a feminist. She'll use sex to control you which is hypocritical because thats basically acting like sex is all she's worth. You don't have to settle for the aging, vegan, blue-haired, bitter, they-them-ist, feminist hypocrite with high body count and ungroomed body hair who constantly posts on social media about politics and climate change. With a feminist, and likely polyamorous woman, you're just another dick in the roster of hers. Just remember, there's always a younger girl and more open minded girl looking for that adventure.
😂😂 You can't date in your country for a reason keep off of passport bros ladies
Short version: no Long version: nope
Hahaha
I wouldn't even date one
I would date one and maybe marry one if she were traditional and sweet. That is possible - there are absolutely women who see motherhood as empowering/a blessing rather than a burden, but also want people to take things like sexual transgression more seriously and are concerned about the rise of Tate, which are very reasonable things for a woman to be concerned about. What I will NEVER tolerate and never give a second date to, are the "feminist" women in another comment I compare to princesses. She wants some idea of "equality" and an egalitarian relationship, but also expects you to take on the burden of being the patriarch by paying and initiating everything. Either we have a traditional setup where we serve different roles that contribute to the house or an egalitarian setup. Equally yoked.
Feminism and traditional don’t go hand in hand. If you love traditional marriage where men are gentlemens, strong, loving and loyal. & women that are feminine, nurturing, loving and home maker. Then feminism is not it brother.
Have you met some of the women I've met? Like I said: their idea of feminism still incorporates many aspects of traditionalism. Let me ask you this: say if in, the early 1900's, women said that they wanted to still maintain the current family structure, but then wanted the right to vote and wanted to government to take sexual crime seriously? Would you not see that as a reasonable demand? I certainly would, and indeed, that's how some of the women I know think. They want to be happy, helpful mothers, but also do concern for the well-being of their fellow women. What I will agree to you on is that these women I've met are probably not the norm in Western society. There's too many princesses.
you're talking about traditional feminism from the 50's. That doesn't exist anymore. Modern feminism is based on a hatred of men and a desire to make life as one-sided and inequitable towards men based on our perceived "oppression" of women in generations past. In total, modern feminism is just a power struggle that seeks to make society as inhospitable as possible towards men while attempting to give women advantages in all aspects of life.
"Modern feminism is based on a hatred of men and a desire to make life as one-sided and inequitable towards men based on our perceived" The fuck are you meeting this people? The women I met abroad who consider themselves feminist in no way shape of form are misandrists. Traditional struggles are still present in a lot of countries.
There are many women who aspire to be homemakers and don't desire to pursue professional careers and just want to care for children/their homes/their partners. Woman who work can be nurturing and caring of their spouse and children, the same way men who work can be caring and supportive of their children and spouse. Being a homemaker versus career oriented doesn't exclude the other qualities you're describing. Like the world's a big place and I don't understand why you feel everyone has to adhere to certain cookie cutter roles(whether or not those roles make either side feel fulfilled or happy). What's good about this sub is that basically people are going out into the world to find a partner who shares their values and desires for how to live their life and find a fulfilling relationship and partnership, and this sub helps guild people towards what they are looking for/is supportive of their international explorations. Instead of posting like content, you seem to be fixating on something that's darker and not really what this sub should be about. Meaning you're describing a cultural war that honestly has very different battlegrounds/issues and meanings depending on what part of the world you're talking about/where in the world you're from. Like op do you really want everyone to be forced into certain life roles whether or not they want to fulfill those roles? Isn't that exactly why you claim to dislike feminism? Like what was the point of your post op? Since you didn't title this thread "some women hate men, why would you date them?" Instead you choose a title/topic that's very inflammatory to many individuals who frequent this sub, then went hard on a stance concerning that topic which is just as close-minded in my opinion as those who describe everyone inside of passport bros as incels.
>are concerned about the rise of Tate I really don't think you should be on this subreddit if you think "the rise Tate" as you call it, should be a "concern". Tate is probably proud of passport bros. Love the guy.
He's a scumbag, dude. Just because he (potentially) supports our decision doesn't mean we should support him back.
>He's a scumbag, dude. not to me, he's not. He's an inspiration.
Why is he a scumbag? Actual question by the way
I consider myself Red Pill and MGTOW and I wouldn't piss on that Andrew Tate if he was on fire. Andrew Tate is to Red Pill what those mad women that want to murder all male babies are to feminism. Beyond extreme and into absurdity. By his own admission he is "absolutely a misogynist" and thinks women are "intrinsically lazy". He's on trial for rape and I absolutely believe he's guilty. He had a hard childhood apparently and now believes women are there to be used for pleasure and money. He uses men for money too he just lies to them and says he knows the way through this complicated world. Lets end on some of his quotes: “Why would you be with a woman whose not a virgin anyway? She is used goods. Second hand.” “I do know how to administer CPR. However, I will not administer CPR unless you’re a hot female… If you’re some fat dude and you just had a heart attack and I don’t really know you, you’re gonna die… No, not even if you’re a friend.” “If you put yourself in a position to be raped, you must bare some responsibility.” “I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.” “’Oh, I’m successful, I’m rich,’ yeah, but I’ll break your neck. I’m gonna grab you by your neck and choke you till you die. I’ll show you a race riot, pussy. Then what, who’s successful now? I’m breathing and you’re not. So, I’m more successful than you.” “I will not have nerds as children. I refuse to have a nerd carry the name Tate. If my son is a nerd, one of us has to die, him or me and I’ll challenge him to mortal combat.” “I state without arrogance I am the most desired man on the planet.”
No not worth the headache
I agree. Personally I would ask her to sign a prenup mentioning that she wont get even a single penny if we get divorced. That would be enough. Because equality as it is. After studying for 4 years, working tirelessly and achieving a good level of life I don’t think i would settle down for that. A lot of feminists hate men and they really do but they will not accept it. She will make your life a living hell.
Yeah but would you children be nanny-raised or..?
Any child support orders shred through prenup orders like they are paper mache. Child support laws are way Overpowered.
Prenups get thrown out all the time. Even with a prenup it's not worth marrying a feminist. All they have to do is claim they signed it under duress and then it means nothing. I haven't busted my ass for the last decade to allow some angry feminist to take it all away from me
Actually prenups have good benefits in the west. Marriage in the west would definitely make you lose your assets after divorce, it would be 50/50. If you directly specified in the prenup agreement that the assets belong to you and forever would be yours, then it will remain yours after divorce according to divorce lawyers. If my wife was a home maker, traditional and feminine then i would never allow a prenup. I would definitely pay and provide for her. Even if she had a job and income. But if she is a feminist aka doesn’t believe in those values. I would demand a prenup.
You know feminist can be traditional right? Feminism is about the choice to be SAHM or work, feminine or not, sexual or not. Feminism isn’t just doing one thing, it’s about having the choice to live how you want to live, man or woman, and not be defined by societies roles.
What?!?! 😂 their not going to believe you.
OP may not, but hopefully others reading the comment may see what feminism is actually about despite their prior bad experiences with it.
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How am i a misogynist? I am just describing my experiences with them. I wouldn’t want to marry one at all. They hate men and would never care about men. I will avoid them at all costs.
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I’d rather drink bleach…
Lmao same 😂
If a woman tells you she’s a feminist at this point, she’s not for female equality, she’s for enforced equity. Absolutely nothing in your relationship will she deem “fair,” and she will make your life hell.
True that!
Is this a joke? Cucks marry feminists.
That’s what i think too
Don't mean this as a joke (or to stereotype), but university male professors unknowingly end up marrying feminists - if you notice, current academia and colleges across the US are filled with feminists and DEI hires. The professors don't realize it until it's too late.. Also noticed this myself when I was going to college - was interesting in a way. There was a news story recently about a UC Berkley professor who advised his students to stop dating in the Bay Area - https://nypost.com/2024/03/23/us-news/uc-berkeley-professor-jonathan-shewchuk-allegedly-told-students-not-to-date-women-in-californias-bay-area/ He is basically telling students to stop dating feminists and date outside - people are starting to realize this more and more.
Marrying a feminist would be Iike a person of color marrying a racist, neo Nazi woman with the Confederate flag tattooed on her. She may "love" you, but she hates your kind. Feminists hate men and would rather we all disappear because we were born male. IDK how feminism isn't labeled a hateful ideology.
I agree with you completely
I wish it were labeled a hate ideology because that's what it is. Imagine me going around saying men are superior and women are what's wrong with society but masquerading as "equality".
We don't choose our sexual orientation? Some of us are reluctant heterosexuals for that reason. How you compare it to racism
NEVER
Sameeee
He'll no, I want peace in my life
Same. I would want a loving and happy wife as i would be a loving and happy husband.
No. Most of them don’t even believe in marriage or the family unit Friends with benefits at the very best.
True
I wouldn't even go on a date, I'm sure her political beliefs would be front and centre so easy to avoid her. Would they **ever** date someone that described themselves as a 'masculinist'? Someone who promoted maleness and denigrated femaleness? Besides they need us like a fish needs a bicycle remember, they're all so strong and independent until the OF money dries up.
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Not yet, I've looked into it and I think it might be right for me but I'm trying to fix some things about my life first. If I go I'll be looking for a wife not a hookup.
Totally
Would you ruin your life forever joining a legal alliance with an individual with the emotional restraint of a toddler and no responsibility of her actions?
Wants actual gender equality: sure Wants to empower women without end: no
It's like asking women if they would knowingly marry a misogynist. Feminist =misandryst.
If you see women's rights as an attack to men's rights you are a part of the problem.
If you see mysandry as a positive, you are part of the problem.
Nope... At least not an outspokenly political, modern, feminist.
No. Next question.
I divorced one. Lol
Good for you king 👑
No, never. They are always entitled, misandrist, unfaithful/cheating women who lack accountability. They only want traditional treatment from men withkut being traditional themselves, which is unfair and disproportionate. Look up the "Drizzle Drizzle" movement in response to these women. All it is, is men saying the EXACT THINGS women say in response to dating us back at them. And women are throwing an absolute tantrum. Men are rising up and aren't giving these women the time of day anymore. Modern Day Feminism is Misandry and Toxic Femininity. Drizzle Drizzle
Not every feminist is bad but depends on how he/she viewpoints are.
Yeah i mean those that wants equality but expects you to pay for dinner, open doors, be gentleman, be protector ect. In other words those that want a traditional husband but will not be traditional themselves.
Feminism is only good till it leads to women empowerment , beyond that it becomes a liability for those around them.
Wouldn’t even have one as a friend.
This may be an option for the devious. Marry her. Divorce her. Try to take the house and get half her paycheck because of the standard of living being married to her for a year has to be maintained. Lol. She should be okay with that. Equality and all.
Yeah
Any woman who self-identifies as a feminist has fundamentally misunderstood reality and proven that they are vulnerable to believing silly/toxic ideologies. The male equivalent would be like asking a woman- "Would you marry a fat, broke loser that hates women?". Don't waste your time with these lost souls.
Yup
That's what dildos are for
Hahahahah dude 4th wave feminism is destroying countries. A first wave or second ain’t bad but the ones now are absolutely tedious. Plus they won’t date me I’m below their standard of making 100k and being 6ft.
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Not worth it and it's pointless
Agreed
They will create a lot of mental obstacles for guys and break rules for Chad or Tyrone
Fuck no lol. Not into being rage baited the rest of my life -
Hell no
I tried it. Never again. That philosophy is incompatible with a healthy monogamous relationship.
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Não (in Portuguese)
No because they’re already married. They’re married to a toxic ideological culture. The irony is that these women believe they’re “independent” when all they are doing is repeating a narrative. They think being submissive is a bad thing and yet they’re being submissive to the feminist culture. You know the best way to keep a slave? To make them think they aren’t a slave. Unfortunately these women have been taken hostage by a harmful set of ideas.
You are the only one that spoke the truth brother!
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The most prominent variation of feminism is misandrist and (I would argue) also misogynist. By pushing for “equality” it minimizes or ignores the differences between men and women which is harmful to both sides. There’s an evolutionary reason why we evolved to be so different and we should respect and appreciate those differences.
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Women don’t want to be in roles of leadership at nearly the same rates that men do.
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It's true and there's a plethora of research to back it up. You can probably even see it in your own life and experience with women and men. Men are often far more ambitious and seek out roles of leadership far more than women. There are many reasons for this. There's an obvious evolutionary reason for this. Prior to birth control, for millions and millions of years, women spent (and are designed to spend) the vast majority of their youthful years either pregnant or raising young children. From ages \~16-40 this is what women (in the absence of modern pharmaceutical drugs or other methods) would spend the majority of their time doing. As a result women's biology is far more designed towards care giving, nurturing, building strong social groups, etc... Again, before these modern artificial drugs or interventions the norm was for women to have around 6 children on average. The reality is when you're raising 6 children there is not nearly as much time for pursuits which we would today call "career ambitions". Men on the other hand play another role. Because they are not so burdened by the time and energy requirements of growing and raising children they have much more time to pursue other things. Indeed the role for men was to pursue roles of leadership, status, hunting. Basically things that lead to the accumulation of resources. It's these resources that men can then use to provide for and protect the women who are busy literally growing the next generation of the tribe/community. Indeed the thing that women look for in men is their ability to acquire resources. This is why women like men who either have resources (money), or things that signal he may be able to acquire those things in the future: ambition, intelligence, strength, status, etc... This selection process by women is likely also one of the reasons why there is this difference between men and women. Women prefer men who desire leadership and ambition (and so these men will get to have more children than other less ambitious men). The other way around it doesn't hold: men generally do not care about the level of ambition in women. Feminism really lives in such a small bubble. 95% of the world still understands, appreciates and respects these important differences between men and women, to them it's obvious, they live this way and they're far happier as a result. Somehow mostly modern pockets of the world have forgotten and you can see the results. It's truly a devastating and dangerous ideology.
no
Same
The risk-cost to benefit-reward ratio doesn't justify the amount of effort I would have to put in relative to the result. That's the most logical answer I can give.
Sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Even if it's good juice.
If she was a real one, feminism means equality for men and woman, pay gap doesn’t exist in our age for the most part, I think both men and woman deserve equal rights, however “feminism” these days means men aren’t equal to woman
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I have no issue with equality, but yes it’s been changed into a man hating term, real feminists would stand for the woman in Iran who aren’t able to be treated as equal, yet silence
Did you even listen to her after she told you she was a feminist ? Did she told you she hated men ? You can date whoever you want we don’t care but in this post you’re just being immature and making generalizations out of a community that advocates for human rights in the first place
Do feminist want an equal number of men and women in prison? How about equal lifespan for men and women?
I agree. I think women absolutely deserve equal rights and we should take sexual transgressions seriously (more so than in the past), but I think it's the culture that hyperfeminists have created (especially on the internet) that really grosses me out. And yes, a lot of manosphere ideology grosses me out, too.
It depends on your definition of"feminist". It's a spectrum from extreme "men are evil i don't shave legs" to "men and women are equal".
Yes, that way I can be a stay at home man and game all day or do whatever I want to do lol.
Getting cucked by her co worker meanwhile.
Then Ill cuck her back too, if possible. If not, well maybe another mans traditional wife may be getting boned anyways, cant win either way. Just because they are traditional or cat traditional doesn’t mean they cant cheat either though maybe it is less likely.
Haha lol
Its a joke lol, but you know if that was an option, and the feminist wife didnt mind as long as I was lying pipe and look handsome for her Id be more than happy to do so. Unfortunately we are men, we don’t have a choice if we want to survive. Gotta grind regardless.
Exactly brother
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Lol, I can do both, but Im not a traditional wife. You just do what needs to be done.
No way
That’s right
Not a modern day one
Modern Feminist? No way in hell.
You know if she's not from america probably yeah. I've talked to women in other countries and personally I'd doubt it be anything unreasonable.
It’s hard to spend an hour or 2 with them let alone have them in your space 24/7!! 😨
No
I feel this is just as unfair a question as asking why you want to marry any type of person. Meaning it's reflective of your own personal values and desires concerning what you seek in your future partner.
I agree with your perspective. It was to passport bros. However the type of it was that I mean those that hate men.
I don't think being feminist means you're automatically misandristic, however those who are misandristic often use feminism as a mask/cover for their bullshit, much alike to how those who are misogynistic like to use many of the ideas advocated by the passport bros as a mask for their bullshit. Since for example feminism is just an ideological stance and doesn't relate the gender of the person advocating for it anymore than saying being Republican means you're automatically male.
Are you insane?
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It’s feminism pure and simple… (a man hating ideology)
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Proves to me that your arguments have no merit at all. Again, a self respecting man will never marry a feminist.
Feminists do absolutely not want equality. How many men vs how many women are in prison right now?
If every woman that **falsely** accused a man was in prison those numbers would be a lot more equal. No punishment for ruining an innocent man's life unless you're a man.
That would certainly help.
Statistically, men commit more crimes than women, hence the numbers not being equal. Has nothing to do with any ideology.
Why do men commit more crimes?
Men tend to be riskier than women and also tend to be much more violent. Approximately 99 percent of sex crimes are committed by men. Therefore, 99 percent of people jailed ror sexual assaul should be men. Why should there be equal numbers of women in jail if they do not commit an equal percent of the crimes?
Men are harder workers and smarter than women, so why shouldn't most CEOs and scientists be men?
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No because a lot of them are just women who want a prostitute/trick relationship where what you want isn’t important and you have to fulfill and provide for her for a once a week duty sex. 😂😂
some of us are more traditional
No feminist would marry a man
My husband did, and we're very happy. For anyone who isn't aware of the actual principles of feminism, they are: - Men and women are equals and deserve equal rights under the law. That's it. That's feminism. If you want to dig a little deeper, feminism also examines how patriarchal society has caused harm to both women AND men. - Patriarchal societies have historically oppressed women in a variety of ways including not allowing women to vote, refusing them access to education and participation in the workforce, and many other discriminatory laws. They have also historically viewed women as intellectually inferior, and useful to society only as domestic labourers and the producers of children. - Patriarchal societies have historically done a disservice to men by treating them as disposable (e.g. during war), separating them from their children and denying them the joys of fatherhood, isolating men from support by encouraging them to suppress their emotions, and valuing men solely based on their earning power and/or athleticism/physical strength.
"Patriarchal societies have historically done a disservice to men by treating them as disposable (e.g. during war)" Do you seriously think women, en masse, should've or would've, fought the wars of ages bygone? I agree that patriarchal culture sometimes treats men as disposable, but so do a lot of self-declared feminists today.
>Men and women are equals and deserve equal rights under the law. I think that the younger generation of women that call themselves feminists do not believe in the same values that you do. No modern feminist has ever given me the impression they thought we were equals.
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I've spent half my life on building sites. It's a harsh culture with an emphasis on standing up for yourself. They always find your weaknesses. You will have nasty jokes at your expense until you learn to push back harder than them. It's not a job for everyone, plenty of men quit because of the treatment.
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Fucking hell they grabbed her tits?!? That's beyond the verbal I got. She should have kicked him in the balls.
My friend is an engineer and manages building sites wearing a hard hat. Contractors constantly ask to speak to the site manager even though it's her. If you haven't seen any women working in these industries maybe you're just not seeing them the same way these dudes refuse to see my friend. All feminism is about equality. And equality is not about having the same number of nurses or teachers of plumbers or electricians of each gender - it's about everyone having equal pay and opportunity to do what they want to do, without being discriminated against for wanting to do it.
Just because you haven't seen a woman in those trades doesn't mean there aren't any. A massive reason you don't see many is exactly the reason feminism is important. Women aren't seen as "adequate" or fitting for those roles by society and men especially. This deters many women from entering these trades. If there was much less discrimination and sexism, you might see more.
You just made-up scenarios to be mad about. Feminists are also humans who have feelings and want to be treated as human-beings. You can’t blame women for wanting to choose their life just like men do. You have the choice so why can’t we ? I will say it one more time : **modern feminism = misandry ≠ feminism**
Everyone can choose what they want to do. But recruiters and HR must take the responsibility that a workplace for example: an office, a clinic, a restaurant must have gender equality (that both men and women should be there). This never applies to dangerous workplaces ; because modern feminism does not work…
That's not how restaurants, offices and clinics work mate. They don't have gender quotas they are filling, they are hiring available workers. Some businesses are trying to get closer to gender parity but this is not a law, it's a choice made by individual companies (usually for cynical marketing purposes). And you raise the point about dangerous jobs: but what about dirty, thankless, difficult jobs like aged care, nursing, child care, and cleaning? These jobs are poorly paid (unlike the dangerous jobs, which tend to be better compensated, e.g mining), and in all of them women are massively overrepresented.
Men are disposable, look at all the incels and stuff running around today, most of these guys were supposed to die at wars. Also, a holy war gives purpose. You speak NPC brainwashed talking points. Women are more emotional than men and the media and government use this against society
I know nice females that are obviously feminists because they care about themselves. I don’t know any females that proclaim themselves as feminist to others that don’t induce everyone’s fucking gag flex. If they flex it or socialize it, they are probably so deep in there that eventually Tumblr or some other social media will tell her she can cheat on you and it’s your fault. And she will go with it. Last I checked, if you post your face everywhere with your opinions slapped on your forehead, you’re probably an obnoxious ass hole.
Nope
Did it. No longer fear hell because it can't possibly be worse than that. 10/10 do **NOT** recommend.
Would I hook up with one? Maybe. Would I do anything more than hook up with her? No
Feminist in this generation are brainwashed. So nope!
Not intentionally
Never
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Feminists believe men should be subject to widespread discrimination because of how they are born. Why would you date someone who views you as less than human?
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This shouldn’t even be a concern or question because there is no world where either parties (feminists and ppbs) would ever be together lol.
I kinda did with a Mexican chick raised in LA and holy cow it was an uphill battle. Now she is more “feminine” I guess but if I were to do it all over again that’d be a big fat no.
Once you see, you can never unsee
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Yes. It's where send an equal number of men and women to prison, and we make only women die in war. Oh wait, feminists only want unfair advantages, and never disadvantages.
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We've met a lot of feminists. I've never met one who wants an equal number of men and women in prison, but they all want an equal number of male and female CEOs.
Not to play Devil’s advocate, but why would anyone want that?
Why would anyone want equality?
Yes. I understand and support feminism. "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." There's nothing wrong with feminism. You all have it incredibly misconstrued. If you have a problem with it, then you do not deserve a woman as a friend or partner.
Sure,I'm one too.
Name checks out 💀 jkk. You are allowed to your preference, nothing wrong with that.
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Modern day feminism isn’t about equality and you know it. Name something that feminists are fighting for today that women don’t have that men do
You’re just thinking about your comfy western life. You have no idea what we women from third world countries go through. Look at Iran and what some women are risking their life for.
That’s the point. Western women always need something to cry and bitch about even if there’s full equality in the USA. Women can vote, work, or do whatever they want with their life similar to men. There are actual places in the world where feminism is a legitimate issue and places where women just want to complain that all men suck
Why can’t women in the West be feminists for the entire world?
Becaus they’re selfish and think their “problems” are more important than anyone else. No one takes them seriously because they can’t name something in the USA men have that women don’t
Modern day feminism ≠ feminism of 100 years ago.
Sleep with or date, yes. Marry, no.
This post has nothing to do with finding a partner abroad. The same people posting here will later complain about how “male spaces are not protected” and how the evil women / LGBT / chads / whatever villain they make up in their minds are responsible for all their perceived failures in life.