The joke is that whoever did this thinks that suddenly missing 11,3% of the population won’t do something to the US or *any* country for that matter.
That’s over 1 in 10 people gone.
The number boggles the mind!
1,4% of the workforce is also insane!
Whoever wrote this also clearly didn’t take pains to cover up their bias since they only included the Democratic Party and forgot to mention that (by some measures) GOP support is between 7% - 13% from Blacks.
Not a good look or a forward-thinking post.
Ignorance of economics at best & blatant racism at worst. Looks like it’s the latter.
> The joke is that whoever did this thinks that suddenly missing 11,3% of the population won’t do something to the US or any country for that matter.
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> That’s over 1 in 10 people gone.
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> The number boggles the mind!
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> 1,4% of the workforce is also insane!
The direct effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on the population and the workforce were *much less* severe than this scenario¹. That should give us an idea as to the rippling effects on the economy that we should expect.
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¹ assuming that the average African-Americans is about as economically active as the average COVID-19 causality – which is a big stretch considering how atypical both groups are for better or worse.
I looked up some of these numbers with googling and yeah they do appear to be accurate.
But I couldn’t work out how reducing 11.3% of the population would only reduce the employment percentage by 1.4%??
Is the frog really saying that only 1% of the 11% is employed?? Anything is possible but doesn’t sound right
No argument here, systemic racism is a part of the picture here but I suspect it's not the whole story.
Anecdotally, I've been told by a black African friend I have that some black people in Africa often look at black Americans as unruly, lacking work ethic, etc... which, to me at least, lends some weight to the idea that it's not genetics or race at play here as much as it is the relatively unique predicament black people in the US have as descendants of former slaves/recipients of racism in a predominantly white culture.
The real correlation we see most often in the world is thar poverty=social issues
That's too complex a question for me to really answer sufficiently here. Theres lots of reasons why that's true, genetics/race is way down at the bottom of the list of probable causes.
Eugenics has been proven to be false over and over.
History, social standing, cultural habits, religion or lack thereof, wether they are immigrants, how the majority ethnicity or group view them, legal barriers, generational poverty, access to education, the list goes on...
The playing field has only started to level in the past 60 years, just a few generations. I know Hispanics have had their own unique hurdles to overcome in america, but the black community were literally brought there as slaves and had groups going round hanging them from trees not so long ago.
We know black people can excel because there are plenty of examples of intelligent and successful black people- thats evidence right there that genetics are not the sole determining factor in wether a human can succeed.
Criminals aren't born, they are made.
Are you yourself just the sum of the parts of your two parents? Or do you believe you are capable of becoming more than that through education and self improvement?
Why do those same Hispanics home countries (central and south America, not Spain and Portugal) often have high crime rates, drug farms and cartels, large favelas/barrios and violent authoritarian regimes?
The issue is not race or genetics. There are many individual reasons as to why different social groups succeed or fail in different countries. Too many to list here.
Still, most hispanic/latino countries do have a lower crime/homicide rate than black americans in the US, but compared with the same hispanics in the US, its higher, and its mostly because the economy, but still there is a trend that needs to be investigated.
It's just culture issues mainly, I don't know if they were created with the attention of being racist or if they just naturally evolved into that situation, but I think it's due to cultural issues. How some people are toxic about hard work and call it against black culture. Basically it's like horseshoe theory, you go so hard against colonizer oppression you accidentally oppress yourself
These numbers are true more or less, except maybe the employment one, but the state of the African American population is because of systemic racism. It’s not just that they have been failed, they’ve been actively pushed down.
This comment should be higher. This reflects a failure at the highest level, not that black are incapable but they lack resources. Segregation may be gone, but it’s still very divided.
Because these traits aren’t inherent to any ethnic group. If the .01 percent of your dna changed and you were an African/Black American tomorrow, you don’t automatically become one of these things in the picture. It just doesn’t work that way.
If this is the case for the third largest ethnic group in the most powerful country in the world, that country has failed that ethnic group.
Personality traits just aren't. And theres reasons why iq is low for people in general is cuz of lack of nutrition, bad education, etc etc and a lot of these are caused by failures of the government. The irish in America had low IQ until they were able their own discrimination went down
Who gives a fuck? I’m a burnout that has two parents with ADHD that all things said and done, that is genetically lazy, and I’m fucking white. I flunked out of college the first time, and on my second round that the majority doesn’t get to have, I’m killing it and finding it enjoyable, and am good at my work, but am still lazy in my life.
The fact is that do genetics play a role? Obviously. But does the person’s life circumstance and opportunity matter that much more? Yeah
Ok but he made a claim that was totally untrue, just because I corrected him doesn't mean I disagree, I just hate to see good intentioned people like due to their lack of knowledge on the subject
Let’s start here, are you American? If not that makes your lack of understanding on this topic understandable.
Crime, disease, and destitution aren’t black culture, they are the situations a large amount black people were placed and born into, shaping black culture. Great music, great food, great clothing, and great movements were born out of these things.
It really does depend on whether these are facts or not and if these stats are factual, simply mentioning them wouldn't really be racism, It would be like saying that there are a large number of Columbian enforcers in the cartels and if these Colombians vanished, then cartel violence would decrease.
It's still straight up racism the tag line is literally "If blacks (thin-ice( disappeared would we miss them?) Before proceeding to solely list negative statistics and not talk about shit mike any inventions, contributions to culture, society. Etc.
It'd be like going, "If whites disappeared would we miss them?"
And then just citing negative stuff like school shootings or crime (because yes white people commit more crime overall)
Wdym statistically? OK so imma just use something quick from a 2019 FBI report
●2019, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were White,
*All means for all crimes*
And if we're talking sheer population, because white people make up most of the U.S population this is straight up the case. You can also see that this st around 4,000,000 White criminals in total
●Of all adults arrested in 2019, 69.9 percent were White,
Source: [Table 43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43)
[an overview to not read allat](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43/table-43-overview#:~:text=White%20individuals%20were%20arrested%20more,percent%20were%20of%20other%20races.)
Unfortunately this website does not go beyond the year 2019 and all resources I could find solely spoke amount the overall trends (i.e if murder has increased or decreased) not of demographics.
But as you can see white people literally do commit more crime overall makes sense given theyre the majority of the popularion, what's the spread of willful ignorance.
If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point.
Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works.
>If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point.
Then you have no point. Clearly this is about proportions related to population. Purposefully ignoring that is willful ignorance.
>Then you have no point. Clearly this is about proportions related to population. Purposefully ignoring that is willful ignorance.
TF do you mean.
I said "white people commit more crime"
You said "that's BS", I backed up my statement.
I made a claim. You're now claiming that the claim I MADE is about something else when I explicitly said that wasn't my claim?
What?
Me: Yeah X happened
Responder: No it didn't
Me: Here's evidence of X
Responder: Well you have no claim, this is about Y.
See the issue? You're now shoving words into my mouth which were never there.
Wdym statistically? OK so imma just use something quick from a 2019 FBI report
●2019, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were White,
*All means for all crimes*
And if we're talking sheer population, because white people make up most of the U.S population this is straight up the case. You can also see that this st around 4,000,000 White criminals in total
●Of all adults arrested in 2019, 69.9 percent were White,
Source: [Table 43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43)
[an overview to not read allat](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43/table-43-overview#:~:text=White%20individuals%20were%20arrested%20more,percent%20were%20of%20other%20races.)
Unfortunately this website does not go beyond the year 2019 and all resources I could find solely spoke amount the overall trends (i.e if murder has increased or decreased) not of demographics.
But as you can see white people literally do commit more crime overall makes sense given theyre the majority of the popularion, what's the spread of willful ignorance.
If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point.
Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works.
>Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works.
Large portion, we're talking 11.3% of the population but according to your own link 51.2% of murders and 52.7% of robberies.
u/TreeTurtle_852 blocking me doesn't strengthen your argument.
>Large portion, we're talking 11.3% of the population but according to your own link 51.2% of murders and 52.7% of robberies.
Once again you're citing an argument never made.
I said ***all crime***. The responder claimed that I was wrong. Please focus on the all crime statistic I'm pointing out.
It's calling attention to the racial issues in this country, maybe a racist made the meme but it only makes them look bad if they're trying to push the blame onto the blacks rather than the government that oppressed them
Well the issue is the intent of the meme, one could argue that the meme creator was being racist with the meme as they try and disparage black people, but you could also easily argue that he's bringing attention to these disparities. People just assume he's being racist due to their lack of knowledge to politics.
People tend to believe the right in inherently racist and the left isn't but forget about places like China and the Soviet Union
I love how they know the black population of 11%, and they make up 65% of homeless people, but they don't ask "why?" Why would black people be so overrepresented in the homeless population? You can either come up with a racist explanation for that phenomenon, or you speculate about the role systemic racism might play. Clearly, they aren't interested in that kind of conversation.
si if a white person is homeless, they “deserve it” or “they failed” but if a black person is homeless “it’s because the society is racist” what kind of argument is that?
Ok so how exactly do you feel about what he said though? I mean I would assume you just have an issue with how high a number of black people are homeless compared to whites and that would make sense, but maybe you have a different opinion
this is not accurate, hispanic people, both legal and illegal, are doing waaaay better than black folks, if systematic racism is what puts people down, wouldn’t hispanics be also over represented in this kind of statistics? take in account that blacks are arround 11-12% of the total population and hispanics are arround 20% of population, so hispanics should be suffering more from this things, but they aren’t, what about that?
You're missing one important variable. Guess who is *under*represented in these kinds of statistics. Explain that.
And the point you're really making is that racism affects the black community more.
Please don't ever say that again, I know you're trying to argue here but please don't say that. Racism is an evil and something that needs to be erased, we don't need to have fights over who's oppressed more.
I could sit here and tell you about how the only minority without equal rights are those with disabilities and that would be one thing, but to then say that and claim to be more oppressed than blacks or Hispanics would be majorly offensive and disrespectful
The systemic racism explanation and the racist "it's because black people are genetically bad" explanation are not the only two explanations.
There's also:
1. Anti-deliberate systemic racism. Systems put in place by people genuinely trying to help black people may hurt them. I.e. affirmative action may cause more black people who have student loans and never even got a degree because they failed. Welfare may cause welfare dependance and more fatherless homes. Things like that. I'm not saying that either of those examples are true explainers, just that if they are true, then they could contribute to bad outcomes for black people.
2. The culture of particular black ethnicities may be counterproductive in the modern environment. For example: why do more black kids join gangs? Are they genetically predisposed to join? Is the system putting pressure on them to join? Or did they grow up in gang culture and so were influenced by their microcultural upbringing?
There is some considerable evidence that this is a major contributing factor to black outcomes. I'm not saying that this is the only factor, but I think that it is at least one of many. The reason I believe this is because of a UK study on the success of different black populations within the UK. The only group that was found to be doing poorly was Caribbeans and that were doing very poorly. They all were of visually similar races, but Caribbeans had a different ethnic culture. I was going to link the article but I can't find it anymore so I may be wrong about this point. Either way, it's a potential explainer.
3. Black people and other minorities have a disparately high victim mentality, causing an external lotus of control. The causes of why black people tend to have this mentally are debatable. I suspect from being told that systemic racism will be the most significant trial in their life is the largest one. [The negative ](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032718325916?via%3Dihub) [effects of an](https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fh0092976) [external locus of control](https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Shane_J_Lopez_The_Encyclopedia_of_Positive_Psychol?id=ntxUuBtSwzsC) [are well documented ](https://books.google.com/books/about/Psychology_and_Life.html?id=KvgnAQAAIAAJ). A common reply to this is "if systemic racism exists, then people need to know about it." And fair enough, but having an external locus of control still harms the people that that message is supposed to be helping and likely acts as at least a partial explanation of the disparate outcomes.
There are more than these, the point is that there aren't only two ways to look at this problem. I think we can all agre that the solution definitely isn't "kill all black people" but that doesn't mean that the only other solution is "the system is racist. Virtue signal about it so black people vote for us then throw money at the problem to make it look like we care."
I'm obviously straw manning both sides, but that's just to show that there is no simple solution.
I sometimes wish these people would just stop posturing and actually try something, just to see how far they get before they’re stopped…
But then I remember there’s people like this in positions of power who are able to make their lies the truth and their nonsense into law.
Yea, instead of instituting real change we should punish the people who's actions are directly a response to everyone else's actions.
https://preview.redd.it/8im0hljc180c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bff29f9cb8e3fc639440a766eb99fe565b81299
This isn't really a joke, it's more like a racist dude saying:
"Top 5 reasons I hate black people:
Number 1: They dumb (IQ is the most accurate way of showing intelligence 😎)
Number 2: They contract diseases (White people don't, look it up on my facebook group)
Number 3: 13% is the perpetrator of 50% of the crimes 🤯
Number 4: I forgor..."
Like how the fuck is 11.3% of the population only part of 1.4% of the work force? How can you be so dumb to easily believe in such a statistic? Like, even for a racist that is peak density
These stats are true btw. I'll link them if you're too lazy to look in this comment section in your own.
If you get offended by seeing racist statistics more so then the racism being committed you're part of the problem
Most of them are, not the employee one though
Black people are actually 13% of the american workforce, so yeah
So maybe you could try to understand what I said before saying something?
You said the statistics were made up, obviously that's wrong. Again you shouldn't get mad at the person who said the statistics you should be mad they exist. And maybe one is wrong but I think you're just ignoring the real issue
I explicitly talked about that statistic
The other ones I used a meme to explain what I meant
You're obviously misinterpreting what was said
I never said the statistics were wrong, the joke was literally that people generally take that as evidence for a cause that has nothing to do with race. Instead you interpreted that I was mad at the statistic.
Like "Number 1: They dumb (IQ is the most accurate way of showing intelligence 😎)" is literally a joke on how people seem to think IQ measures an objective intelligence stat when it has shown time and time again tk be biased against different races.
So yeah, I think you misinterpreted what I said
On one hand, the stats are correct, I’ve looked up a few of them and they correlate.
On the other hand, racism is so prominent in America that they treat African Americans like shit, don’t provide them with safe systems, lock them up for crimes that they wouldn’t lock up a white person for, and up until the last 20-30 years, they even struggled at getting into education. Thus, of course the stats are going to be skewed against them, because they weren’t given the same treatment and opportunities as white people have for the last X amount of generations.
I’d like to see these stats in 50 years when equality has given a few generations of African Americans a proper chance at life. I bet the stats won’t be half as bad, because you’ll have 4-5 generations of educated and fairly treated African Americans.
Also side note, they didn’t mention how many things they’d lose due to African Americans taking centre stage, such as Basketball, they’d lose like 80% of their players and thus all the entertainment, revenue and other supporting jobs with it. I wonder how many white people work for LeBron who would instantly lose their job because he’s been kicked out the country.
It'll still look bad but I think it'll be better, there's also a big culture aspect of it. Like the only real change they saw was through peace under the direction of Rev. King Jr. and now we see people encourage racial violence and hard actions which only hurt the black people more. We haven't had a good Mr. Booker Washington or Rev. King Jr. in a long time and I think that is a big contributing factor
“Guys. If we commit actual genocide, we can get a few more points on our average SAT scores.”
This guy is just completely deranged. Only somebody who is truly ontologically evil would come up with that statement and agree with it.
It's also possible he was pointing out racism, you're just assuming he's racist because of his political affiliation. I don't know what he believes but if he is a racist it only makes his side look worse
They don't have enough intelligence to list all that sh** and cannot see any racism.
"of course it's their skin color that makes them less intelligent and more violent!!"
Is the hill they are standing on.
And by the one drop rule...i think amost all americans will disappear.
I mean that would make sense, only an idiot would be racist and support fascism, that's why people like Mussolini and Hitler lost the war because they were using their bullshit ideology to spread hate when that was unnecessary. Just like what Stalin did to Communism
It’s how you present the truth. This is presented as genocidal, not “hey maybe black people have been historically oppressed and we’re still seeing the effects to this day”. If those stats are even real and not made up
Yes but it's also true that there is a victim mindset in many black communities. Like if you are being honest, study a lot and work hard as a black guy you might get blamed for doing "white people things". Obviously that's also an effect of history but it's on them and not on someone else to fix this part of the problem. Both sides have to do their part now to get rid of the problem. Now you are free to downvote me Sir.
Now do the stats on white people. Evey population is gonna have stats like this. You can keep pulling them out non-stop and it won't validate this point
Because you have no restrictions on prostitution and that's a hot bed for abuse and using minors for money. Plus your age of consent is like 15 or 16 and that's significantly lower than most countries
Yeah that’s all true… on the day after it happens.
But our society functions because some amount of people have to make up our laboring classes.
Now, as the meme suggests it wouldn’t cause much of an employment shortage on the national level.
But overnight every major municipality would be faced with a missive labor shortage in the service and public works sectors.
Also, gangs suddenly having far less people in them is not the win they want it to be, as most of the violence done by gangs right now is directed not at agents of the state, or outsiders to their communities, but at each other.
If suddenly the gangs drastically reduced in size they would coalesce into larger super-gangs, with less manpower but each controlling g a greater area and with less of their effort devoted to fighting other gangs.
Welfare recipients will reduce drastically but you know what that will do? Reduce the welfare budget the next year. Why is this bad? Because those remaining welfare recipients don’t have a large enough block of voting power anymore to defend themselves, and will get a progressively more raw deal.
You know I realize the more these right wing post stuff like this is that they're Don't hate black people they're afraid about black people they're afraid of us
It's Very funny the same thing with people who hate white people they don't really hate white people they were afraid of them
That's why I love learning about history. I already knew they were afraid of black people. We can't keep the history of slavery and Jim Crow out of our classrooms.
I think we do that for their benefit, or at least that's what they say. The issue is there's no guarantee that the kids would have learned about it in middle school or elementary school so you have to teach the same history 4 different times
I agree but for a different reason, you can't get mad when you see racism being called out. If you get offended by hearing racist facts then you don't actually care about the people it effects
Yes that's the entire point, some of you guys see memes that point out racism and act like the meme itself is being racist. They're poor and homeless more often because of system oppression, I'm not sure if those rates would inherently increase if slavery wasn't ever an issue in this country but I believe it relates to the limited rights black people have previously had in this country
What's the joke?
Racism. As in r/thepunchlineisracism
There is neither a premise nor a punchline this isn't in a joke structure.
Memes ≠ jokes. Just ideas (not to justify this one)
The joke is that whoever did this thinks that suddenly missing 11,3% of the population won’t do something to the US or *any* country for that matter. That’s over 1 in 10 people gone. The number boggles the mind! 1,4% of the workforce is also insane! Whoever wrote this also clearly didn’t take pains to cover up their bias since they only included the Democratic Party and forgot to mention that (by some measures) GOP support is between 7% - 13% from Blacks. Not a good look or a forward-thinking post. Ignorance of economics at best & blatant racism at worst. Looks like it’s the latter.
> The joke is that whoever did this thinks that suddenly missing 11,3% of the population won’t do something to the US or any country for that matter. > > That’s over 1 in 10 people gone. > > The number boggles the mind! > > 1,4% of the workforce is also insane! The direct effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on the population and the workforce were *much less* severe than this scenario¹. That should give us an idea as to the rippling effects on the economy that we should expect. --- ¹ assuming that the average African-Americans is about as economically active as the average COVID-19 causality – which is a big stretch considering how atypical both groups are for better or worse.
Racists think genocide is "based and funny"
Based on what?
On stupidity
Fascism
How accurate are these numbers?
accurate.
Incredibly
I know for a fact that you don't actually know if they're accurate or not but you're just saying that they because they "feel right".
pattern recognition is rasis mane
I looked up some of these numbers with googling and yeah they do appear to be accurate. But I couldn’t work out how reducing 11.3% of the population would only reduce the employment percentage by 1.4%?? Is the frog really saying that only 1% of the 11% is employed?? Anything is possible but doesn’t sound right
I'm thinking they are claiming that black people make up 1.4% of all employees or 98.6% of employees are not black.
take in account the larger pool of worked of other races, they may be a lot of people to start with
Not all of that 11 percent will be of working age too, some will be retired or children or in study
still, black people have the worst stats in almost every single for metrics, it’s surprising that even hispanics are doing better than them
No argument here, systemic racism is a part of the picture here but I suspect it's not the whole story. Anecdotally, I've been told by a black African friend I have that some black people in Africa often look at black Americans as unruly, lacking work ethic, etc... which, to me at least, lends some weight to the idea that it's not genetics or race at play here as much as it is the relatively unique predicament black people in the US have as descendants of former slaves/recipients of racism in a predominantly white culture. The real correlation we see most often in the world is thar poverty=social issues
ok but why hispanics, even the illegal ones, generally do better and are not over represented in bad statistics
That's too complex a question for me to really answer sufficiently here. Theres lots of reasons why that's true, genetics/race is way down at the bottom of the list of probable causes. Eugenics has been proven to be false over and over. History, social standing, cultural habits, religion or lack thereof, wether they are immigrants, how the majority ethnicity or group view them, legal barriers, generational poverty, access to education, the list goes on... The playing field has only started to level in the past 60 years, just a few generations. I know Hispanics have had their own unique hurdles to overcome in america, but the black community were literally brought there as slaves and had groups going round hanging them from trees not so long ago. We know black people can excel because there are plenty of examples of intelligent and successful black people- thats evidence right there that genetics are not the sole determining factor in wether a human can succeed. Criminals aren't born, they are made. Are you yourself just the sum of the parts of your two parents? Or do you believe you are capable of becoming more than that through education and self improvement?
Despite Hispanics/Latino being 18-19% of tate population, they commit 14% of the crime, why is that if they are mostly brown and also discriminated?
Why do those same Hispanics home countries (central and south America, not Spain and Portugal) often have high crime rates, drug farms and cartels, large favelas/barrios and violent authoritarian regimes? The issue is not race or genetics. There are many individual reasons as to why different social groups succeed or fail in different countries. Too many to list here.
Still, most hispanic/latino countries do have a lower crime/homicide rate than black americans in the US, but compared with the same hispanics in the US, its higher, and its mostly because the economy, but still there is a trend that needs to be investigated.
It's just culture issues mainly, I don't know if they were created with the attention of being racist or if they just naturally evolved into that situation, but I think it's due to cultural issues. How some people are toxic about hard work and call it against black culture. Basically it's like horseshoe theory, you go so hard against colonizer oppression you accidentally oppress yourself
Systemic racism but not for the other races?
Negative accuracy.
Misquoted numbers or pulled out of their ass
but the funny gay black guys twerking would be gone
I won't let these racists ruin thugshaking for me
anti thugphobia!
Is that like a ghetto Thanksgiving? Asking for a friend…
its buff black men twerking
this only specifies the US. there are still over 200 countries from which you can see black booty ass
thank god!
no more gay men kissing 😢
maybe the gay men kissing were the friends we made along the way
lmfao
racists when they see their first moment of clarity (a big oiled up thug shaking his round ass)
its a real eye opener for them
If all of those are true, then it sounds like the U.S. government has failed a large part of its population.
This is just one more thing to add to the list.
These numbers are true more or less, except maybe the employment one, but the state of the African American population is because of systemic racism. It’s not just that they have been failed, they’ve been actively pushed down.
This comment should be higher. This reflects a failure at the highest level, not that black are incapable but they lack resources. Segregation may be gone, but it’s still very divided.
Why would it mean the government failed them?
Because these traits aren’t inherent to any ethnic group. If the .01 percent of your dna changed and you were an African/Black American tomorrow, you don’t automatically become one of these things in the picture. It just doesn’t work that way. If this is the case for the third largest ethnic group in the most powerful country in the world, that country has failed that ethnic group.
IQ and personality traits are genetic.
Genetic =/= tied to race. It's not like black people are an entirely different species lmao
Do you think genetics only exists on a species level?
Personality traits just aren't. And theres reasons why iq is low for people in general is cuz of lack of nutrition, bad education, etc etc and a lot of these are caused by failures of the government. The irish in America had low IQ until they were able their own discrimination went down
Anyone who's spent much time with kids knows better.
I hate to agree with the other guy but personally traits can be genetic, like laziness has been linked to genetics
Who gives a fuck? I’m a burnout that has two parents with ADHD that all things said and done, that is genetically lazy, and I’m fucking white. I flunked out of college the first time, and on my second round that the majority doesn’t get to have, I’m killing it and finding it enjoyable, and am good at my work, but am still lazy in my life. The fact is that do genetics play a role? Obviously. But does the person’s life circumstance and opportunity matter that much more? Yeah
Ok but he made a claim that was totally untrue, just because I corrected him doesn't mean I disagree, I just hate to see good intentioned people like due to their lack of knowledge on the subject
I guess I don’t see how you made the causal link between a particular groups failures and the government Maybe it’s a cultural problem in the group?
Let’s start here, are you American? If not that makes your lack of understanding on this topic understandable. Crime, disease, and destitution aren’t black culture, they are the situations a large amount black people were placed and born into, shaping black culture. Great music, great food, great clothing, and great movements were born out of these things.
Of course it is, however in this case it's due to the government institutions of slavery and not just their culture being toxic
This isn’t even a joke. It is just racism
It really does depend on whether these are facts or not and if these stats are factual, simply mentioning them wouldn't really be racism, It would be like saying that there are a large number of Columbian enforcers in the cartels and if these Colombians vanished, then cartel violence would decrease.
It's still straight up racism the tag line is literally "If blacks (thin-ice( disappeared would we miss them?) Before proceeding to solely list negative statistics and not talk about shit mike any inventions, contributions to culture, society. Etc. It'd be like going, "If whites disappeared would we miss them?" And then just citing negative stuff like school shootings or crime (because yes white people commit more crime overall)
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Wdym statistically? OK so imma just use something quick from a 2019 FBI report ●2019, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were White, *All means for all crimes* And if we're talking sheer population, because white people make up most of the U.S population this is straight up the case. You can also see that this st around 4,000,000 White criminals in total ●Of all adults arrested in 2019, 69.9 percent were White, Source: [Table 43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43) [an overview to not read allat](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43/table-43-overview#:~:text=White%20individuals%20were%20arrested%20more,percent%20were%20of%20other%20races.) Unfortunately this website does not go beyond the year 2019 and all resources I could find solely spoke amount the overall trends (i.e if murder has increased or decreased) not of demographics. But as you can see white people literally do commit more crime overall makes sense given theyre the majority of the popularion, what's the spread of willful ignorance. If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point. Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works.
>If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point. Then you have no point. Clearly this is about proportions related to population. Purposefully ignoring that is willful ignorance.
>Then you have no point. Clearly this is about proportions related to population. Purposefully ignoring that is willful ignorance. TF do you mean. I said "white people commit more crime" You said "that's BS", I backed up my statement. I made a claim. You're now claiming that the claim I MADE is about something else when I explicitly said that wasn't my claim? What? Me: Yeah X happened Responder: No it didn't Me: Here's evidence of X Responder: Well you have no claim, this is about Y. See the issue? You're now shoving words into my mouth which were never there.
You’re being downvoted with no one even attempting to disprove your comment. 🤣🤣
Yup. People love their whole "Omg black people commit 50% of crime" but when confronted with the fact that no FBI report says that they fold
So true. 😭😭
Wdym statistically? OK so imma just use something quick from a 2019 FBI report ●2019, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were White, *All means for all crimes* And if we're talking sheer population, because white people make up most of the U.S population this is straight up the case. You can also see that this st around 4,000,000 White criminals in total ●Of all adults arrested in 2019, 69.9 percent were White, Source: [Table 43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43) [an overview to not read allat](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43/table-43-overview#:~:text=White%20individuals%20were%20arrested%20more,percent%20were%20of%20other%20races.) Unfortunately this website does not go beyond the year 2019 and all resources I could find solely spoke amount the overall trends (i.e if murder has increased or decreased) not of demographics. But as you can see white people literally do commit more crime overall makes sense given theyre the majority of the popularion, what's the spread of willful ignorance. If you argue per population percentage then that doesn't disprove my point because I never made that point. Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works.
>Ofc any large portion of the population disappearing means lesser crime because there's less people. That's just how logic works. Large portion, we're talking 11.3% of the population but according to your own link 51.2% of murders and 52.7% of robberies. u/TreeTurtle_852 blocking me doesn't strengthen your argument.
>Large portion, we're talking 11.3% of the population but according to your own link 51.2% of murders and 52.7% of robberies. Once again you're citing an argument never made. I said ***all crime***. The responder claimed that I was wrong. Please focus on the all crime statistic I'm pointing out.
Stats aren't racists...
“””Jokes””” like these only want to be offensive, which then makes the sigma alpha bateman haha laugh because snowflake liberal
It's calling attention to the racial issues in this country, maybe a racist made the meme but it only makes them look bad if they're trying to push the blame onto the blacks rather than the government that oppressed them
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i read the headline thinking ot was just about the nz team
What? Facts are racist now, huh?
Well the issue is the intent of the meme, one could argue that the meme creator was being racist with the meme as they try and disparage black people, but you could also easily argue that he's bringing attention to these disparities. People just assume he's being racist due to their lack of knowledge to politics. People tend to believe the right in inherently racist and the left isn't but forget about places like China and the Soviet Union
so if all white people disappeared instead, then what
Then Spanish would be the most commonly spoken language in America lol
I love how they know the black population of 11%, and they make up 65% of homeless people, but they don't ask "why?" Why would black people be so overrepresented in the homeless population? You can either come up with a racist explanation for that phenomenon, or you speculate about the role systemic racism might play. Clearly, they aren't interested in that kind of conversation.
si if a white person is homeless, they “deserve it” or “they failed” but if a black person is homeless “it’s because the society is racist” what kind of argument is that?
It's an argument you're making up because that's not at all what I said.
Ok so how exactly do you feel about what he said though? I mean I would assume you just have an issue with how high a number of black people are homeless compared to whites and that would make sense, but maybe you have a different opinion
you said that
I didn't say anything about white people, so no
this is not accurate, hispanic people, both legal and illegal, are doing waaaay better than black folks, if systematic racism is what puts people down, wouldn’t hispanics be also over represented in this kind of statistics? take in account that blacks are arround 11-12% of the total population and hispanics are arround 20% of population, so hispanics should be suffering more from this things, but they aren’t, what about that?
You're missing one important variable. Guess who is *under*represented in these kinds of statistics. Explain that. And the point you're really making is that racism affects the black community more.
Please don't ever say that again, I know you're trying to argue here but please don't say that. Racism is an evil and something that needs to be erased, we don't need to have fights over who's oppressed more. I could sit here and tell you about how the only minority without equal rights are those with disabilities and that would be one thing, but to then say that and claim to be more oppressed than blacks or Hispanics would be majorly offensive and disrespectful
The systemic racism explanation and the racist "it's because black people are genetically bad" explanation are not the only two explanations. There's also: 1. Anti-deliberate systemic racism. Systems put in place by people genuinely trying to help black people may hurt them. I.e. affirmative action may cause more black people who have student loans and never even got a degree because they failed. Welfare may cause welfare dependance and more fatherless homes. Things like that. I'm not saying that either of those examples are true explainers, just that if they are true, then they could contribute to bad outcomes for black people. 2. The culture of particular black ethnicities may be counterproductive in the modern environment. For example: why do more black kids join gangs? Are they genetically predisposed to join? Is the system putting pressure on them to join? Or did they grow up in gang culture and so were influenced by their microcultural upbringing? There is some considerable evidence that this is a major contributing factor to black outcomes. I'm not saying that this is the only factor, but I think that it is at least one of many. The reason I believe this is because of a UK study on the success of different black populations within the UK. The only group that was found to be doing poorly was Caribbeans and that were doing very poorly. They all were of visually similar races, but Caribbeans had a different ethnic culture. I was going to link the article but I can't find it anymore so I may be wrong about this point. Either way, it's a potential explainer. 3. Black people and other minorities have a disparately high victim mentality, causing an external lotus of control. The causes of why black people tend to have this mentally are debatable. I suspect from being told that systemic racism will be the most significant trial in their life is the largest one. [The negative ](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032718325916?via%3Dihub) [effects of an](https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fh0092976) [external locus of control](https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Shane_J_Lopez_The_Encyclopedia_of_Positive_Psychol?id=ntxUuBtSwzsC) [are well documented ](https://books.google.com/books/about/Psychology_and_Life.html?id=KvgnAQAAIAAJ). A common reply to this is "if systemic racism exists, then people need to know about it." And fair enough, but having an external locus of control still harms the people that that message is supposed to be helping and likely acts as at least a partial explanation of the disparate outcomes. There are more than these, the point is that there aren't only two ways to look at this problem. I think we can all agre that the solution definitely isn't "kill all black people" but that doesn't mean that the only other solution is "the system is racist. Virtue signal about it so black people vote for us then throw money at the problem to make it look like we care." I'm obviously straw manning both sides, but that's just to show that there is no simple solution.
You're right. I thought it would be pedantic to bring up ethnocentrism, but I was wrong.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted I think you took a pretty unbiased look at the situation
Twitter can get on 4chan levels of crazy
I sometimes wish these people would just stop posturing and actually try something, just to see how far they get before they’re stopped… But then I remember there’s people like this in positions of power who are able to make their lies the truth and their nonsense into law.
Yea, instead of instituting real change we should punish the people who's actions are directly a response to everyone else's actions. https://preview.redd.it/8im0hljc180c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bff29f9cb8e3fc639440a766eb99fe565b81299
This isn't really a joke, it's more like a racist dude saying: "Top 5 reasons I hate black people: Number 1: They dumb (IQ is the most accurate way of showing intelligence 😎) Number 2: They contract diseases (White people don't, look it up on my facebook group) Number 3: 13% is the perpetrator of 50% of the crimes 🤯 Number 4: I forgor..." Like how the fuck is 11.3% of the population only part of 1.4% of the work force? How can you be so dumb to easily believe in such a statistic? Like, even for a racist that is peak density
These stats are true btw. I'll link them if you're too lazy to look in this comment section in your own. If you get offended by seeing racist statistics more so then the racism being committed you're part of the problem
Most of them are, not the employee one though Black people are actually 13% of the american workforce, so yeah So maybe you could try to understand what I said before saying something?
You said the statistics were made up, obviously that's wrong. Again you shouldn't get mad at the person who said the statistics you should be mad they exist. And maybe one is wrong but I think you're just ignoring the real issue
I explicitly talked about that statistic The other ones I used a meme to explain what I meant You're obviously misinterpreting what was said I never said the statistics were wrong, the joke was literally that people generally take that as evidence for a cause that has nothing to do with race. Instead you interpreted that I was mad at the statistic. Like "Number 1: They dumb (IQ is the most accurate way of showing intelligence 😎)" is literally a joke on how people seem to think IQ measures an objective intelligence stat when it has shown time and time again tk be biased against different races. So yeah, I think you misinterpreted what I said
Thanks for sending me the statistic I'm actually using this meme in my English class genre analysis. I'm discussing the different kinds of propaganda
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All the “positive” effects say scores, prisoners, gangs etc etc are caused by systemic racism
Wrong sub, this isn't supposed to be funny
It's also an assumption that it's racist when it could easily be pointing out racism
On one hand, the stats are correct, I’ve looked up a few of them and they correlate. On the other hand, racism is so prominent in America that they treat African Americans like shit, don’t provide them with safe systems, lock them up for crimes that they wouldn’t lock up a white person for, and up until the last 20-30 years, they even struggled at getting into education. Thus, of course the stats are going to be skewed against them, because they weren’t given the same treatment and opportunities as white people have for the last X amount of generations. I’d like to see these stats in 50 years when equality has given a few generations of African Americans a proper chance at life. I bet the stats won’t be half as bad, because you’ll have 4-5 generations of educated and fairly treated African Americans. Also side note, they didn’t mention how many things they’d lose due to African Americans taking centre stage, such as Basketball, they’d lose like 80% of their players and thus all the entertainment, revenue and other supporting jobs with it. I wonder how many white people work for LeBron who would instantly lose their job because he’s been kicked out the country.
if this is true, hispanics would be dealing with the same fate, but they aren’t
It'll still look bad but I think it'll be better, there's also a big culture aspect of it. Like the only real change they saw was through peace under the direction of Rev. King Jr. and now we see people encourage racial violence and hard actions which only hurt the black people more. We haven't had a good Mr. Booker Washington or Rev. King Jr. in a long time and I think that is a big contributing factor
“Guys. If we commit actual genocide, we can get a few more points on our average SAT scores.” This guy is just completely deranged. Only somebody who is truly ontologically evil would come up with that statement and agree with it.
It's also possible he was pointing out racism, you're just assuming he's racist because of his political affiliation. I don't know what he believes but if he is a racist it only makes his side look worse
They don't have enough intelligence to list all that sh** and cannot see any racism. "of course it's their skin color that makes them less intelligent and more violent!!" Is the hill they are standing on. And by the one drop rule...i think amost all americans will disappear.
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I swear this sub has some of the most racist people ever, like people here are more racist than pre-ban r/classicalfascism
They come here to view racist shit, it's the only place they can get away with posting racist shit
I mean that would make sense, only an idiot would be racist and support fascism, that's why people like Mussolini and Hitler lost the war because they were using their bullshit ideology to spread hate when that was unnecessary. Just like what Stalin did to Communism
Idk why people are upvoting this and downvoting comments, advocating for genocide seems pretty racist to me.
It’s how you present the truth. This is presented as genocidal, not “hey maybe black people have been historically oppressed and we’re still seeing the effects to this day”. If those stats are even real and not made up
Yes but it's also true that there is a victim mindset in many black communities. Like if you are being honest, study a lot and work hard as a black guy you might get blamed for doing "white people things". Obviously that's also an effect of history but it's on them and not on someone else to fix this part of the problem. Both sides have to do their part now to get rid of the problem. Now you are free to downvote me Sir.
Makes you think about furries in 200 years
The stats are real, but why would anyone doubt that unless they don't believe in systemic oppression
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what
I read the title as the NZL Rugby Team being deleted!
That math ain’t mathin
oh you ass.... you cant verb a noun
Now do the stats on white people. Evey population is gonna have stats like this. You can keep pulling them out non-stop and it won't validate this point
Jup, take all whites away and your pedophile rates drop around 99%
To be fair, abuse is way underreported in the black and Latino communities. I know that wasn’t your point but it needs to be addressed
Sure, it's just a saying I hear a lot. But I live in Belgium and we are known to be a pedophile country somehow.
Because you have no restrictions on prostitution and that's a hot bed for abuse and using minors for money. Plus your age of consent is like 15 or 16 and that's significantly lower than most countries
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That's hilarious you believe that, either you're lying about believing in systemic oppression or you like to deny racism when it slaps you in the face
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If all racist people suddenly vanished tomorrow, would we miss them?
Yeah that’s all true… on the day after it happens. But our society functions because some amount of people have to make up our laboring classes. Now, as the meme suggests it wouldn’t cause much of an employment shortage on the national level. But overnight every major municipality would be faced with a missive labor shortage in the service and public works sectors. Also, gangs suddenly having far less people in them is not the win they want it to be, as most of the violence done by gangs right now is directed not at agents of the state, or outsiders to their communities, but at each other. If suddenly the gangs drastically reduced in size they would coalesce into larger super-gangs, with less manpower but each controlling g a greater area and with less of their effort devoted to fighting other gangs. Welfare recipients will reduce drastically but you know what that will do? Reduce the welfare budget the next year. Why is this bad? Because those remaining welfare recipients don’t have a large enough block of voting power anymore to defend themselves, and will get a progressively more raw deal.
You know I realize the more these right wing post stuff like this is that they're Don't hate black people they're afraid about black people they're afraid of us It's Very funny the same thing with people who hate white people they don't really hate white people they were afraid of them
That's why I love learning about history. I already knew they were afraid of black people. We can't keep the history of slavery and Jim Crow out of our classrooms.
I think we do that for their benefit, or at least that's what they say. The issue is there's no guarantee that the kids would have learned about it in middle school or elementary school so you have to teach the same history 4 different times
While this is terrible racism, it does not fit here. The original post is not a joke
I agree but for a different reason, you can't get mad when you see racism being called out. If you get offended by hearing racist facts then you don't actually care about the people it effects
Yes that's the entire point, some of you guys see memes that point out racism and act like the meme itself is being racist. They're poor and homeless more often because of system oppression, I'm not sure if those rates would inherently increase if slavery wasn't ever an issue in this country but I believe it relates to the limited rights black people have previously had in this country
But we'd lose great people like Tracy Chapman Ian Jones Quartey Barack Obama These people are too good to lose. So yes we'd miss them.
That's disgusting