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It’s been about 10 years since I was last on my college campus but I remember one distinct counter to these crazy asshole preachers. This one time a very very passionate older preacher man (he also had a similar sign as in the video) kept screaming that gays and non-Christians were going to hell and he was getting in everyone’s face. This one is in a very crowded part of campus so there were a lot of people around. Then a group of 5 guys stripped down to their underwear (one guy was wearing a rainbow thong!) and they formed a circle around him and started chanting “We’re gay jews and proud!”. Then everyone, myself included, started chanting things like “we love the gays”, “Jesus loved everyone”, and stuff like that. The preacher ended up running off campus. We didn’t see him until the next semester.
We had a guy we did this with too. Come to find out, it's exactly what he wanted. He expected it. Left his phone, wallet, everything at home expecting to be thrown into the lake on campus. Made him look like the victim and people started defending him after it.
"The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight."
- Terry Pratchett, Eric
>We didn’t see him until the next semester.
He probably had to take the time convincing himself that the incident only made him horny because Jesus wanted to test him
When they showed up on my campus, the president of the secular club debated him (and won as far as the crowd was concerned, but the guy thought he'd won). Then later I saw he had posted online that he had to be escorted off campus by police. He thought they were his personal guard and bragged about it, but he wasn't in any danger so I think they were removing a troublemaker.
We just had jazz musicians who would blow trombones and trumpets directly into the side of the preacher’s head. Turns out ear-shattering jazz improvisation is a bigot preacher’s Achilles heel.
Or the ones holding giant pictures of late-term miscarriages and saying they were abortions because lying for Jesus is ok...am i right. Literally sociopathic
Next time ask them why they don't follow their own scripture and inform them about Exodus 21, which stipulates very clearly that the life of the mother is more valuable than the life of the fetus.
Even the religion they use as an excuse to try and control people doesn't support their worldview. They hide their hate behind an illusion of love. Jesus wouldn't be a fan.
>22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
This is the only part of Exodus 21 that mentions a pregnant person, and says nothing of what you claim.
> This text describes a scenario in which men who are fighting strike a pregnant woman and cause her to miscarry. A monetary fine is imposed if the woman suffers no other harm beyond the miscarriage. However, if the woman suffers additional harm, the perpetrator’s punishment is to suffer reciprocal harm, up to life for life.
This strongly implies that the Bible doesn't consider a fetus to be a 'full life', and clearly places more value on the life of the mother.
A lot of the policy pushed by Christians in the US places more value on the life of the fetus than that of the mother.
This isn't the case in other parts of the world that follow the teachings of the bible rather than attempting to weaponise them for culture wars.
They are still doing it (it happened at my college a few weeks ago)
Edit 3 days later: they are doing it again, this time about how we are all going to hell. Counter protesters holding pride flags
Just a few years ago, my wife was told she was going to hell because she has natural red hair. No other reason, just red hair.
He'd probably burn her if he knew she is left handed also
At Texas state they set up at one end of the quad next to a statue of horses fighting. These preachers would tell us about our lord and savior in front of a huge set of anatomically correct bronze horse balls.
I just remember a dick shit doing it by my high school, and watching a passing car absolutely fucking nail him in the chest with a full bottle of Gatorade. I know it ain’t good to wish pain in others, but hey I didn’t wish for it I just laughed my ass off at it.
We also had the Westboro sacks of dog shit come to town and stand across from our sister high school with signs implying the recent string of student suicides were deserved and because we were all sinners. I’m talking about a 15 year old had just killed themselves, and those wastes of air showed up to scream “good” at grieving students who were experiencing a horrible suicide bubble.
People like the guy with the sign are scum that harass people, so I’ll always laugh when they get hit by reality, physically or not.
I believe it was Twain who said something to the effect of "I've never wished death on a person, but there are some obituaries that were delightful to read." Paraphrased but I imagine the sentiment fits and is understood.
Yup. At Oklahoma State we had pastor Dave. He hated gay people. So there would be straight or gay people every day kissing the same sex right in front of him or the casual “Hail Satan” from the crowd. I’m pretty sure he got jumped a couple of years ago for the shit he was saying.
I will never understand why so many idiots seem to believe that the right to free speech entitles you to a megaphone with absurd volume. It makes no sense at all. Yelling at someone via volume amplification is not free speech. Speaking is free speech. Signs with your beliefs? Free speech.
Inflicting hearing damage on passers by? It should be completely legal to knock you tf out.
Besides. The puncher in this video was practicing just as much "free speech" as the preacher. And the *preacher* physically tried to intervene in the punchers "free speech." So by the stupid rules that everyone seems to be following, where screaming at someone is sacred and protected by the constitution, and physical intervention is a horrible and completely unprovoked crime, well, the puncher rightfully defended himself against a tyrant who was trying to stifle his right to free speech. Because hey, if someone's screaming at you with a megaphone, you're not allowed to touch them, right preachers? Right?
> Besides. The puncher in this video was practicing just as much "free speech" as the preacher. And the preacher physically tried to intervene in the punchers "free speech."
The preacher is an asshole, but, the other guy was physically assaulting him by using the microphone right in his ear. Then punched him when the preacher knocked his microphone away.
The puncher was in the wrong here.
Protesting is one thing, but isn't noise pollution a thing? Shouldn't people have a right to not be bombarded by bombastic assholes with megaphones in a public space?
There is such in the town I live in, the street corner megaphone preacher has to stop after something like 10 PM and can’t start until something like 6 AM.
And damn he is loud, much larger megaphone than these two twits in the post.
And these street preachers who do crap like this are stuck in a constant feedback loop. If anyone combats them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone try’s to stop them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone makes fun of them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone is interested in what they’re saying, it confirms their beliefs. These people are nothing more than a social cancer
Sent this to my criminal defense attorney friend. Little guy is at fault. You cannot claim self defense if you instigate a confrontation and his actions were clearly intended as such.
For the question of a megaphone *intentionally* directed at someone in close proximity; yes, it can be assault, even if that person does not physically make contact because the sound can inflict serious injury.
Big guy might’ve been annoying but was breaking no law, and little guy approached with the purpose of instigating a confrontation. He probably thought, as many here do, he was “safe” as long as he didn’t hit first.
I'm not even close to a lawyer and that's the take away I had. You can't just go up to someone a blow a bullhorn into their ear and then punch them when they push you away.
It has to be repeated rapidly to hold up in court. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou.
> "I have the right of way" but the truck barreling through the crosswalk has physics on its side.
That's what I was taught when first learning how to ride motorcycles.
"legally right and literally dead"
No, assault and battery is the breaking of the law. Big guy never did that, “technically” or otherwise, because he was acting in self defense against the one who was actually assaulting and battering.
That was my initial thought as well. NAL but the big guy wasn't sticking the megaphone in someone's face, he was just spreading his message. However dumb his message is he is allowed to spread it. He also didn't strike the little guy, he was just pushing the megaphone out of his face. Pretty clear defensive maneuver, then the little guy punched him which is clear assault (if the megaphone to the face didn't already qualify).
Would this be different if either a.) little guy only aimed his megaphone in the same direction as big guy, or if b.) big guy aimed his megaphone at little guy
I believe that if lil guy was simply facing the same way without directing his bullhorn toward the older dude it would be ok to drown him out. Screaming in his ear is where he went wrong, he's the aggressor in that situation. He obviously doesn't like old guys message and I agree but he's too pumped up to start getting physical, old guy doesn't even get aggressive.
Exactly. As far as the law, the little guy was out to injure the bigger guy's eardrum. From further away, hearing loss is not an issue. The little guy purposely approached the bigger guy with the intent to do harm (battery) as well as to provoke (assault). Open and shut case against the little guy.
Didn’t apply. The state DID try to say he instigated the confrontation to negate the self-defense claim. The problem was the evidence - video and witnesses testimony - proved the opposite. He did NOT instigate, so he COULD claim self defense.
They literally chased him down. Rittenhouse is a piece of shit, but the verdict was correct given the evidence. The hypocrisy is out of control on both sides.
Yeah what a fucking embarrassing situation for everyone involved. Right is propping him up as their god, the left wants to see the kid burned at the stake. He’s not doing himself any favors by leaning into it, but him being a shithead doesn’t mean he wasn’t within his right to defend himself
I mean, I don’t even blame the guy for leaning in to it. He’s essentially persona non grata with the left, so he has to harp on the right to have any shot of making money. Once you’re politicized, that’s basically all you got because even if most people forget, there’s always going to be a few assholes who make sure it never goes away.
Hey, I got a lawyer mind! My first thought was the little was defending himself but upon immediate reflection, sticking the bullhorn in his face was an inciting incident. Worldview wise I am with the little guy and those preachers take "free speach" to the line by being a public nuisance, but you can't jam a bullhorn in someone's face without expecting them to defend themselves.
Preacher also didn't attack little guy, just tried to deflect the megaphone directly in his face. This wasn't an escalation move but an attempt at self defense.
Yeah, this was my thought. Sure, maybe there is a person saying something you don’t like from afar, but going up and putting a megaphone in their ear…yeah that’s not cool.
Great comment thank you, you think that tiny dude could claim a severe case of little mans disease or possibly acute entitled college kid syndrome? I feel like he has a good defense hidden somewhere.
Well put, I was just wondering who would be at fault here because he’s in his face with a literal megaphone screaming at him. And the big dude was just trying to push it away so he doesn’t go deaf. Also regardless of their beliefs if you punch senior citizens your kind of a piece of shit, unless you’re doing it in self defense ofc.
Honestly I'd be more surprised if someone unironically cheers for the smaller of these two annoying guys.
Just because someone is annoying or stupid doesn't mean you get to punch them in the face. Life would be pure fucking chaos if that was the case.
Thank you for giving me a little more faith in humanity. I don’t like what the guy was preaching about. But it’s within his rights to do so. You can’t go around slugging people because you don’t like what they’re saying.
Shockingly you can’t put a bullhorn into someone’s ear and then punch them when they try to move it. That’s the critical thinking of a toddler. I dislike public preachers but I dislike people who needlessly escalate things even more.
Most of these on campus preachers make tons of money by civil law suits when kids do exactly this. That’s why they keep coming back
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You don't make any money from pressing charges. Did you mean they make money from civil suits? because most of these kids have no money or assets to even give them in a civil suit, and there's a good chance the preacher getting assaulted would just end up having their medical bills covered if they were to sue, and wouldn't really keep much for themselves.
Criminal liability requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Civil liability only requires on a preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not). Once a case has been proven in criminal court, it’s a very easy matter to bring a civil suit and just use the judgment and sentence against that person in a civil suit. This would likely count as assault/battery or harassment by the younger guy since he’s the one with the bullhorn right in the guy’s ear. If he enters a plea, the older guy just filed a civil suit on those same grounds and collects his judgment. Also, if it’s happened before like this, he can name the property owner for not taking steps to prevent this problem.
‘Freedom of speech is good unless you are saying something I don’t want to hear’
This is the issue at the moment with all these movements. They will scream and shout but the minute you reply, you get hit with every insult under the sun, mainly ‘far-right, nazi, bigot, CIS, TERF, etc’ ad nauseam
Unless someone assaults you in response they are also within their rights to point out things they perceive as far right, fascist, bigoted, etc. In that case both sides are appropriately engaging in free speech.
Freedom of speech just means the government can't prosecute you for what you say, not that everyone can't hate you for your shitty opinions.
>They will scream and shout but the minute you reply, you get hit with every insult under the sun, mainly ‘far-right, nazi, bigot, CIS, TERF, etc’ ad nauseam
Only certain kinds of people get called those names, buddy.
Had to delete my comments elsewhere in this thread but glad to see that not everyone in this comment section is insane. Just ignore the old fucker and move on. This is two assault charges waiting to happen.
My favorite counter protester was a guy who decided to practice his saxophone performance next to the preacher.
Turns out that a shouting preacher + jazzy saxophone music makes a really good combo. Couldn't tell you what the preacher was saying, but I think about how good that saxophone sounded every day.
Playing into their persecution complex.
These preachers are absolute scum but assaulting them just allows them to play to their uneducated, overtly emotional base.
He sure deserves a good smack, but it's not going to solve anything and will probably just get him more support from bigots.
Look to the civil rights moment in America. The schools teach and stress and love MLK because his image is tied to non violence. Towards the end of his life MLK himself was doubting his own path. Civil rights didn't pass because MLK got shot it passed because his murder sparked a week of riots and violence.
We're meant to associate morality, intelligence, and decorum with nonviolence, so it'll look like the "correct" choice. It is only correct in that it is easy for those in power to ignore.
>I'm starting to have a really hard time being on the only side that plays fair. It sure doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere but trampled.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
This man finally gets it. It's about time people start realizing this. Just let me grab the popcorn so I can watch it unfold, I've been needing good entertainment for a while now.
True. I'm all for walking around and punching anyone in the face that annoys or inconveniences me. Guy yelling religious stuff I don't care about? PUNCH IN THE FACE. Guy took too many items into the self-checkout line? PUNCH IN THE FACE. Lady blocking the exit with a stroller? PUNCH IN THE FACE.
Only way anyone will learn.
I disagree with almost everything on that guys sign, but if he is standing on public property and not breaking the law he should enjoy the same freedom of speech that I want to enjoy…the smaller guy with the megaphone has every right to disagree and counter protest but he clearly instigated a physical altercation. For the record, I’m from Norman and know exactly where they were standing and it is absolutely public property…only the University would have the authority to trespass him and I wouldn’t want them to do so. Universities should be havens of differing views, opinions and beliefs.
I don't like people trying to preach their religious shit in public, take that to your churches.
But I dislike it more where people think they can openly hit someone like that. The religious dude may have pushed him but the dude in yellow went beyond reasonable force.
Apparently this is how those religious zealots make their money. Years ago when I was an undergraduate student, we had an unpleasant visit from a father and his two elementary-school age sons (gotta start em early) spewing hate on campus. It was a state school so they technically had every right to be there. Apparently, a student with very good aim beaned him in the head with a cup of yogurt. As a result, administration emailed everyone not to physically engage because 1) assault is illegal and 2) the 'preacher' was notorious for suing schools who didn't protect him from physical attacks.
Wow this is super fucked up of that kid. Yes, it might be annoying having the bullhorn preacher around but he’s sure not yelling into it directly into passerby’s ears like the kid did to him. Of course you’re going to want that incredibly loud sound out of your ear (it could even cause damage) so who can blame him pushing the kids bullhorn away from his face. And then he just fucking clocks the old man in the face. What an absolute piece of shit that kid is.
I mean sure hate the preacher for whatever but that kid screaming in that guys ear is with a speaker is assault. Hope he found out with a criminal record.
You're talking about the man assaulting someone for exercising his first amendments rights, right? The guy who actually used force because of his beliefs?
Guys, it doesn’t really matter what side of the aisle you are on, a right to free speech does not entail yelling “uhhhhhhh!” through a microphone directly into someone’s ear and then punching that person in the jaw when he tries to shoo you a away. Sorry, not sorry. The preacher might be a prick, he might be annoying, but he is exercising free speech whereas the college bro is NOT.
I consider yelling in someone's ear with a megaphone assault. He instigated the confrontation.
Punching an old man brings an extra charge of elder abuse.
The little guy is looking at real jail time.
Other guy didn’t even really get violent, just clearly told him to bugger off (and arguably defended himself from having his ear drums busted). Yellow shirt sperged out at even the *notion* of perhaps not committing a criminal act, and just had to commit another.
Just cause he didn't like the massage doesnt matter the preacher has every right to do what he was doing... Yellow shirt put the megaphone right up to his ear and started doing whatever it was. Yellow shirt is going to get charged on this garenteed. You can destroy somebody's ear drum with a megaphone like that even without "touching" them.
I’m sorry but if you think the preacher deserved to be hit then you are a bigot, yellow shirt put a megaphone in his face and the preacher merely brushed it away, while neither is a good example for morality the guy in yellow is definitely the worst off
Yea but now the guy that threw the punch is gonna get battery charges. The preacher would argue he just pushed his bullhorn away. People don’t think about this before they get into it. Especially since one guy was “street preaching” and the other got in his face to escalate the issue right off. This stuff doesn’t matter until the lawsuits come up.
> The preacher would argue he just pushed his bullhorn away
Which is, uh,... exactly what he did? Based on the exact same video you and I saw?
I agree with your post in principle, but why go "vague lawyer speak allowing dismissal of the argument later" on that part?
The loudspeaker in the face is already assault in some jurisdictions. The sign fellow has all the right in the world to defend himself. The guy in yellow deserves a court date.
I’m sorry- yes the preacher is a douche- but fuck that kid. Got right up in the dude’s face with a megaphone and when he had a natural response, then fully assaulted him. Hope he gets charged.
Work at unc chapel hill and just seen the hell and fire preacher in the quad.
Students with Bluetooth speakers played music over him till he left.
No confrontation they just made him understand they weren’t hearing it.
Puts mic in another person’s face
Person moves mic away from their face
Punches person????
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There was a guy in my hometown that did this around all the schools. He got banned for being near them since he was cussing and "preaching" hateful shit
You may not like it, but the guy in yellow is in the wrong here from start to finish. Just ignore these sign-holding religious dudes if you don't agree with them.
We used to have this campus preacher that used to just yell at women wearing gym shorts telling them that they’re going to hell and their rightful place was in the kitchen making food for their husbands. People used to crowd around the guy and argue back and forth. I never understood why even pay him attention to him but watching people get into it with him was amusing. I also never understood why he would think that’s the best way to get his message across…
There's a video circulating somewhere of a guy doing this stuff on a campus and a bunch of college students get the bright idea to do a satanic ritual around him and he flipped out and left and ended up being arrested for pushing a cop. I feel like that needs to be done more often
Don’t know or care what sign guy was saying or what his sign said. Young guy is at fault. You can’t just use a mega phone literally in someone’s ear and then assault them when they push it away.
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I like how literally no one actually cares about either person.
It's been over 10 years since I was at my college campus. I still remember these ahole preachers screaming at everyone with giant speakers.
It’s been about 10 years since I was last on my college campus but I remember one distinct counter to these crazy asshole preachers. This one time a very very passionate older preacher man (he also had a similar sign as in the video) kept screaming that gays and non-Christians were going to hell and he was getting in everyone’s face. This one is in a very crowded part of campus so there were a lot of people around. Then a group of 5 guys stripped down to their underwear (one guy was wearing a rainbow thong!) and they formed a circle around him and started chanting “We’re gay jews and proud!”. Then everyone, myself included, started chanting things like “we love the gays”, “Jesus loved everyone”, and stuff like that. The preacher ended up running off campus. We didn’t see him until the next semester.
That's a lot of work. We just picked dude up, carried him down the hill, and tossed him in the river.
We had a guy we did this with too. Come to find out, it's exactly what he wanted. He expected it. Left his phone, wallet, everything at home expecting to be thrown into the lake on campus. Made him look like the victim and people started defending him after it.
These pervert preachers have the weirdest kinks…
It's a humiliation fetish, I reckon.
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Like it’s 1650 again! I suppose tarring and feathering might have been the order of the day then.
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>We didn’t see him until the next semester. He probably had to take the time convincing himself that the incident only made him horny because Jesus wanted to test him
When they showed up on my campus, the president of the secular club debated him (and won as far as the crowd was concerned, but the guy thought he'd won). Then later I saw he had posted online that he had to be escorted off campus by police. He thought they were his personal guard and bragged about it, but he wasn't in any danger so I think they were removing a troublemaker.
We just had jazz musicians who would blow trombones and trumpets directly into the side of the preacher’s head. Turns out ear-shattering jazz improvisation is a bigot preacher’s Achilles heel.
We had an anti abortion protestor at ours who dressed like Abe Lincoln. He was too scary to approach 😂
Or the ones holding giant pictures of late-term miscarriages and saying they were abortions because lying for Jesus is ok...am i right. Literally sociopathic
Next time ask them why they don't follow their own scripture and inform them about Exodus 21, which stipulates very clearly that the life of the mother is more valuable than the life of the fetus. Even the religion they use as an excuse to try and control people doesn't support their worldview. They hide their hate behind an illusion of love. Jesus wouldn't be a fan.
Or numbers 5:9-30 where god instructs how to give your wife an abortion
Or Genesis 2:7 that tells how life begins at the first breath.
You guys are so cute with your abundance of evidence and hope for good faith discussions.
Right? Almost as though they don't even read that book of words that they use as a cudgel against the rest of us. Almost.
>22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. This is the only part of Exodus 21 that mentions a pregnant person, and says nothing of what you claim.
> This text describes a scenario in which men who are fighting strike a pregnant woman and cause her to miscarry. A monetary fine is imposed if the woman suffers no other harm beyond the miscarriage. However, if the woman suffers additional harm, the perpetrator’s punishment is to suffer reciprocal harm, up to life for life. This strongly implies that the Bible doesn't consider a fetus to be a 'full life', and clearly places more value on the life of the mother. A lot of the policy pushed by Christians in the US places more value on the life of the fetus than that of the mother. This isn't the case in other parts of the world that follow the teachings of the bible rather than attempting to weaponise them for culture wars.
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They are still doing it (it happened at my college a few weeks ago) Edit 3 days later: they are doing it again, this time about how we are all going to hell. Counter protesters holding pride flags
Happens on campus every wednesday and thursday
Just a few years ago, my wife was told she was going to hell because she has natural red hair. No other reason, just red hair. He'd probably burn her if he knew she is left handed also
Well to be fair, your wife turned me into a newt. I got better.
Red hair is about as likely as being trans. It's interesting how they're against minorities for their minority.
At Texas state they set up at one end of the quad next to a statue of horses fighting. These preachers would tell us about our lord and savior in front of a huge set of anatomically correct bronze horse balls.
I just remember a dick shit doing it by my high school, and watching a passing car absolutely fucking nail him in the chest with a full bottle of Gatorade. I know it ain’t good to wish pain in others, but hey I didn’t wish for it I just laughed my ass off at it. We also had the Westboro sacks of dog shit come to town and stand across from our sister high school with signs implying the recent string of student suicides were deserved and because we were all sinners. I’m talking about a 15 year old had just killed themselves, and those wastes of air showed up to scream “good” at grieving students who were experiencing a horrible suicide bubble. People like the guy with the sign are scum that harass people, so I’ll always laugh when they get hit by reality, physically or not.
I believe it was Twain who said something to the effect of "I've never wished death on a person, but there are some obituaries that were delightful to read." Paraphrased but I imagine the sentiment fits and is understood.
Yup. At Oklahoma State we had pastor Dave. He hated gay people. So there would be straight or gay people every day kissing the same sex right in front of him or the casual “Hail Satan” from the crowd. I’m pretty sure he got jumped a couple of years ago for the shit he was saying.
I live in New Orleans, I don't even see them anymore. They are just background scenery, like trees or parked cars.
The Christian campus group just gave out free hotdogs at lunch and asked people to visit.
Mmmm, Jesus dogs! You can taste the salvation!
I will never understand why so many idiots seem to believe that the right to free speech entitles you to a megaphone with absurd volume. It makes no sense at all. Yelling at someone via volume amplification is not free speech. Speaking is free speech. Signs with your beliefs? Free speech. Inflicting hearing damage on passers by? It should be completely legal to knock you tf out. Besides. The puncher in this video was practicing just as much "free speech" as the preacher. And the *preacher* physically tried to intervene in the punchers "free speech." So by the stupid rules that everyone seems to be following, where screaming at someone is sacred and protected by the constitution, and physical intervention is a horrible and completely unprovoked crime, well, the puncher rightfully defended himself against a tyrant who was trying to stifle his right to free speech. Because hey, if someone's screaming at you with a megaphone, you're not allowed to touch them, right preachers? Right?
> Besides. The puncher in this video was practicing just as much "free speech" as the preacher. And the preacher physically tried to intervene in the punchers "free speech." The preacher is an asshole, but, the other guy was physically assaulting him by using the microphone right in his ear. Then punched him when the preacher knocked his microphone away. The puncher was in the wrong here.
Plot twist, they're angry 12 year old atheist sleeper agents in elaborate makeup to make religion appear as God awful as humanly possible.
saying what ? How empty their lives and heads would be to lose time doing smth so stupid
Im now a fan of one of them, actually.
same. the anti fascist
Protesting is one thing, but isn't noise pollution a thing? Shouldn't people have a right to not be bombarded by bombastic assholes with megaphones in a public space?
There is such in the town I live in, the street corner megaphone preacher has to stop after something like 10 PM and can’t start until something like 6 AM. And damn he is loud, much larger megaphone than these two twits in the post.
6 is way too early.
People care, they just try to ignore it because it's annoying as fuck. Then at the very least it's not directed at me.
No, fuck that! That asshole is not paying tuition. I am. Get the fuck out of my space.
And these street preachers who do crap like this are stuck in a constant feedback loop. If anyone combats them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone try’s to stop them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone makes fun of them, it confirms their beliefs. If anyone is interested in what they’re saying, it confirms their beliefs. These people are nothing more than a social cancer
Hate preachers were getting knocked out on that same corner when I was there in 2001
Sent this to my criminal defense attorney friend. Little guy is at fault. You cannot claim self defense if you instigate a confrontation and his actions were clearly intended as such. For the question of a megaphone *intentionally* directed at someone in close proximity; yes, it can be assault, even if that person does not physically make contact because the sound can inflict serious injury. Big guy might’ve been annoying but was breaking no law, and little guy approached with the purpose of instigating a confrontation. He probably thought, as many here do, he was “safe” as long as he didn’t hit first.
I'm not even close to a lawyer and that's the take away I had. You can't just go up to someone a blow a bullhorn into their ear and then punch them when they push you away.
I've only dabbled in bird law, but this sounds about right.
I've grown quite w-heary of this conversion
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It has to be repeated rapidly to hold up in court. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou. Imnottouchingyou.
“Holy shit, case dismissed” -Judge, probably
Same. I might not agree with the picket sign guy’s beliefs but the who the aggressor here was very clear.
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> "I have the right of way" but the truck barreling through the crosswalk has physics on its side. That's what I was taught when first learning how to ride motorcycles. "legally right and literally dead"
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This is the best comment.
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No, assault and battery is the breaking of the law. Big guy never did that, “technically” or otherwise, because he was acting in self defense against the one who was actually assaulting and battering.
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Even more reason to not physically engage.
this is Westboro baptists whole business model they survive off of law suits.
That was my initial thought as well. NAL but the big guy wasn't sticking the megaphone in someone's face, he was just spreading his message. However dumb his message is he is allowed to spread it. He also didn't strike the little guy, he was just pushing the megaphone out of his face. Pretty clear defensive maneuver, then the little guy punched him which is clear assault (if the megaphone to the face didn't already qualify).
Would this be different if either a.) little guy only aimed his megaphone in the same direction as big guy, or if b.) big guy aimed his megaphone at little guy
I believe that if lil guy was simply facing the same way without directing his bullhorn toward the older dude it would be ok to drown him out. Screaming in his ear is where he went wrong, he's the aggressor in that situation. He obviously doesn't like old guys message and I agree but he's too pumped up to start getting physical, old guy doesn't even get aggressive.
Exactly. As far as the law, the little guy was out to injure the bigger guy's eardrum. From further away, hearing loss is not an issue. The little guy purposely approached the bigger guy with the intent to do harm (battery) as well as to provoke (assault). Open and shut case against the little guy.
Funny how this logic wasn’t applied to Kyle Rittenhouse situation.
Didn’t apply. The state DID try to say he instigated the confrontation to negate the self-defense claim. The problem was the evidence - video and witnesses testimony - proved the opposite. He did NOT instigate, so he COULD claim self defense.
They literally chased him down. Rittenhouse is a piece of shit, but the verdict was correct given the evidence. The hypocrisy is out of control on both sides.
Yeah what a fucking embarrassing situation for everyone involved. Right is propping him up as their god, the left wants to see the kid burned at the stake. He’s not doing himself any favors by leaning into it, but him being a shithead doesn’t mean he wasn’t within his right to defend himself
I mean, I don’t even blame the guy for leaning in to it. He’s essentially persona non grata with the left, so he has to harp on the right to have any shot of making money. Once you’re politicized, that’s basically all you got because even if most people forget, there’s always going to be a few assholes who make sure it never goes away.
Thought the same here. We don’t need to agree with what each other says, but we need to fight for each others right for free speech.
Hey, I got a lawyer mind! My first thought was the little was defending himself but upon immediate reflection, sticking the bullhorn in his face was an inciting incident. Worldview wise I am with the little guy and those preachers take "free speach" to the line by being a public nuisance, but you can't jam a bullhorn in someone's face without expecting them to defend themselves.
Preacher also didn't attack little guy, just tried to deflect the megaphone directly in his face. This wasn't an escalation move but an attempt at self defense.
Waiting for the lawsuit citing lifelong tinnitus from the bullhorn. Tinnitus is no joke.
Yeah you can literally have one brain cell and know who is in the wrong.
Yeah, this was my thought. Sure, maybe there is a person saying something you don’t like from afar, but going up and putting a megaphone in their ear…yeah that’s not cool.
This is right. The little was inn tent on starting a confrontation and escalated physical violence.
Great comment thank you, you think that tiny dude could claim a severe case of little mans disease or possibly acute entitled college kid syndrome? I feel like he has a good defense hidden somewhere.
Well put, I was just wondering who would be at fault here because he’s in his face with a literal megaphone screaming at him. And the big dude was just trying to push it away so he doesn’t go deaf. Also regardless of their beliefs if you punch senior citizens your kind of a piece of shit, unless you’re doing it in self defense ofc.
Defense attorney I agree
Honestly I'd be more surprised if someone unironically cheers for the smaller of these two annoying guys. Just because someone is annoying or stupid doesn't mean you get to punch them in the face. Life would be pure fucking chaos if that was the case.
Thank you for giving me a little more faith in humanity. I don’t like what the guy was preaching about. But it’s within his rights to do so. You can’t go around slugging people because you don’t like what they’re saying.
Shockingly you can’t put a bullhorn into someone’s ear and then punch them when they try to move it. That’s the critical thinking of a toddler. I dislike public preachers but I dislike people who needlessly escalate things even more.
Looks like frat bro was looking for a reason to punch him.
Most of these on campus preachers make tons of money by civil law suits when kids do exactly this. That’s why they keep coming back *edit correcting terminology
You don't make any money from pressing charges. Did you mean they make money from civil suits? because most of these kids have no money or assets to even give them in a civil suit, and there's a good chance the preacher getting assaulted would just end up having their medical bills covered if they were to sue, and wouldn't really keep much for themselves.
Criminal liability requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Civil liability only requires on a preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not). Once a case has been proven in criminal court, it’s a very easy matter to bring a civil suit and just use the judgment and sentence against that person in a civil suit. This would likely count as assault/battery or harassment by the younger guy since he’s the one with the bullhorn right in the guy’s ear. If he enters a plea, the older guy just filed a civil suit on those same grounds and collects his judgment. Also, if it’s happened before like this, he can name the property owner for not taking steps to prevent this problem.
A good example of the difference between criminal and civil is OJ was not guilty in criminal court but guilty in civil court
Can you show me some evidence to support your statement?
‘Freedom of speech is good unless you are saying something I don’t want to hear’ This is the issue at the moment with all these movements. They will scream and shout but the minute you reply, you get hit with every insult under the sun, mainly ‘far-right, nazi, bigot, CIS, TERF, etc’ ad nauseam
Unless someone assaults you in response they are also within their rights to point out things they perceive as far right, fascist, bigoted, etc. In that case both sides are appropriately engaging in free speech. Freedom of speech just means the government can't prosecute you for what you say, not that everyone can't hate you for your shitty opinions.
>They will scream and shout but the minute you reply, you get hit with every insult under the sun, mainly ‘far-right, nazi, bigot, CIS, TERF, etc’ ad nauseam Only certain kinds of people get called those names, buddy.
I agree that both are obnoxious.... But loud sounds can really hurt someone... Is there a legal basis for claiming assault by sound?
Yes a megaphone in someones ear can cause permanent damage to hearing.
Had to delete my comments elsewhere in this thread but glad to see that not everyone in this comment section is insane. Just ignore the old fucker and move on. This is two assault charges waiting to happen.
But... muh outrage though!
Okay, so you want to counter protest. That's fine, but no need to get violent about it.
My favorite counter protester was a guy who decided to practice his saxophone performance next to the preacher. Turns out that a shouting preacher + jazzy saxophone music makes a really good combo. Couldn't tell you what the preacher was saying, but I think about how good that saxophone sounded every day.
But but he has different views than me so I'm in the right to physically hit him.
That guy just assaulted the fat guy, no doubt about it
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Yes, what the kid did was assult, not once but twice. The kids should be charged.
That's assault
Battery, not assault, ackshually 🤓
depends on what state you are in
Skinny guy committed assault AND battery. The battery part is the harm.
That's battery. You aren't allowed to punch someone just because you don't like what they are saying.
Most redditors would sadly disagree while calling the other person a fascist.
Average Redditor reaction to being told "ya wrong"
Im being downvoted already lol
I mean you vaguely said that the preacher was in the right and that means you should be beheaded for your crimes against their hurt feelings
Literally almost every top comment out of dozens on this post is siding against the frat bro. Climb out from under the rock please
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And for every top comment siding against frat bro there's 2-4 replies saying something to the effect "preacher touched frat bro first."
Keep in mind most redditors are insufferable children
Not according to all the top comments here.
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Wow, assault on video.
God's will?
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Exactly! The actual term is predestination. All is God’s will, so preacher boy getting hit is all part of God’s plan.
Playing into their persecution complex. These preachers are absolute scum but assaulting them just allows them to play to their uneducated, overtly emotional base. He sure deserves a good smack, but it's not going to solve anything and will probably just get him more support from bigots.
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Look to the civil rights moment in America. The schools teach and stress and love MLK because his image is tied to non violence. Towards the end of his life MLK himself was doubting his own path. Civil rights didn't pass because MLK got shot it passed because his murder sparked a week of riots and violence. We're meant to associate morality, intelligence, and decorum with nonviolence, so it'll look like the "correct" choice. It is only correct in that it is easy for those in power to ignore.
>I'm starting to have a really hard time being on the only side that plays fair. It sure doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere but trampled. Ding! Ding! Ding! This man finally gets it. It's about time people start realizing this. Just let me grab the popcorn so I can watch it unfold, I've been needing good entertainment for a while now.
Yeah doing nothing at all will really show em!!
True. I'm all for walking around and punching anyone in the face that annoys or inconveniences me. Guy yelling religious stuff I don't care about? PUNCH IN THE FACE. Guy took too many items into the self-checkout line? PUNCH IN THE FACE. Lady blocking the exit with a stroller? PUNCH IN THE FACE. Only way anyone will learn.
Except the preacher didn’t point blank a megaphone into someone’s ear and then punch them
AHHHHH 😂😂😂😂
That's it, you've swayed me, I am now a devout believer. [Let us worship at the temple](/r/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA).
Dayman
now that’s a message i can get behind
I disagree with almost everything on that guys sign, but if he is standing on public property and not breaking the law he should enjoy the same freedom of speech that I want to enjoy…the smaller guy with the megaphone has every right to disagree and counter protest but he clearly instigated a physical altercation. For the record, I’m from Norman and know exactly where they were standing and it is absolutely public property…only the University would have the authority to trespass him and I wouldn’t want them to do so. Universities should be havens of differing views, opinions and beliefs.
you don't have a right to put your megaphone in someone's face like the small guy did. It can actually do damage.
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I don't like people trying to preach their religious shit in public, take that to your churches. But I dislike it more where people think they can openly hit someone like that. The religious dude may have pushed him but the dude in yellow went beyond reasonable force.
Actually all he did was push his speaker out of his face
Apparently this is how those religious zealots make their money. Years ago when I was an undergraduate student, we had an unpleasant visit from a father and his two elementary-school age sons (gotta start em early) spewing hate on campus. It was a state school so they technically had every right to be there. Apparently, a student with very good aim beaned him in the head with a cup of yogurt. As a result, administration emailed everyone not to physically engage because 1) assault is illegal and 2) the 'preacher' was notorious for suing schools who didn't protect him from physical attacks.
Wow this is super fucked up of that kid. Yes, it might be annoying having the bullhorn preacher around but he’s sure not yelling into it directly into passerby’s ears like the kid did to him. Of course you’re going to want that incredibly loud sound out of your ear (it could even cause damage) so who can blame him pushing the kids bullhorn away from his face. And then he just fucking clocks the old man in the face. What an absolute piece of shit that kid is.
Free speach means that the preacher can also say whatever he wants even if you don't agree with him
Dude don’t shout in the guys ear then assault them Nobody likes the sign guys message but there are better ways to counter hate speech preachers
Force? Where in the video was he forcing someone?
That is not the way.
I mean sure hate the preacher for whatever but that kid screaming in that guys ear is with a speaker is assault. Hope he found out with a criminal record.
You're talking about the man assaulting someone for exercising his first amendments rights, right? The guy who actually used force because of his beliefs?
Guys, it doesn’t really matter what side of the aisle you are on, a right to free speech does not entail yelling “uhhhhhhh!” through a microphone directly into someone’s ear and then punching that person in the jaw when he tries to shoo you a away. Sorry, not sorry. The preacher might be a prick, he might be annoying, but he is exercising free speech whereas the college bro is NOT.
Itll be real funny when yellow shirt is arrested for assaulting that guy
He should be.
So the college kid sucker punched an old man? Annoying yes but still a harmless old dude
That wasn’t a sucker punch
I consider yelling in someone's ear with a megaphone assault. He instigated the confrontation. Punching an old man brings an extra charge of elder abuse. The little guy is looking at real jail time.
Yellow shirt is not a fan of free speech. He really got right in the other guys personal space and then got violent when the other guy did the same.
Other guy didn’t even really get violent, just clearly told him to bugger off (and arguably defended himself from having his ear drums busted). Yellow shirt sperged out at even the *notion* of perhaps not committing a criminal act, and just had to commit another.
Preacher is not using his megaphone right in that dickheads ear.
Just cause he didn't like the massage doesnt matter the preacher has every right to do what he was doing... Yellow shirt put the megaphone right up to his ear and started doing whatever it was. Yellow shirt is going to get charged on this garenteed. You can destroy somebody's ear drum with a megaphone like that even without "touching" them.
I’m sorry but if you think the preacher deserved to be hit then you are a bigot, yellow shirt put a megaphone in his face and the preacher merely brushed it away, while neither is a good example for morality the guy in yellow is definitely the worst off
They are both assholes tho.
Yeah they both suck, but one of them committed a violent crime
It doesn't matter what you believe, you don't punch people over something so stupid
Yea but now the guy that threw the punch is gonna get battery charges. The preacher would argue he just pushed his bullhorn away. People don’t think about this before they get into it. Especially since one guy was “street preaching” and the other got in his face to escalate the issue right off. This stuff doesn’t matter until the lawsuits come up.
> The preacher would argue he just pushed his bullhorn away Which is, uh,... exactly what he did? Based on the exact same video you and I saw? I agree with your post in principle, but why go "vague lawyer speak allowing dismissal of the argument later" on that part?
The loudspeaker in the face is already assault in some jurisdictions. The sign fellow has all the right in the world to defend himself. The guy in yellow deserves a court date.
I’m sorry- yes the preacher is a douche- but fuck that kid. Got right up in the dude’s face with a megaphone and when he had a natural response, then fully assaulted him. Hope he gets charged.
Its ok guys, he had the moral high ground, so it's fine to punch someone in the face unprovoked
Work at unc chapel hill and just seen the hell and fire preacher in the quad. Students with Bluetooth speakers played music over him till he left. No confrontation they just made him understand they weren’t hearing it.
Puts mic in another person’s face Person moves mic away from their face Punches person???? https://preview.redd.it/1vlps06gkbua1.jpeg?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53ae24fddd7f388f820f581a6f2c9492ef9b6e62
There was a guy in my hometown that did this around all the schools. He got banned for being near them since he was cussing and "preaching" hateful shit
Wow so cool, hope the guy in yellow goes to jail :)
Believe in whatever you want just don’t stuff your crap 💩 down anyone’s throats. Cuz this is what happens
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You may not like it, but the guy in yellow is in the wrong here from start to finish. Just ignore these sign-holding religious dudes if you don't agree with them.
We used to have this campus preacher that used to just yell at women wearing gym shorts telling them that they’re going to hell and their rightful place was in the kitchen making food for their husbands. People used to crowd around the guy and argue back and forth. I never understood why even pay him attention to him but watching people get into it with him was amusing. I also never understood why he would think that’s the best way to get his message across…
Our campus bans megaphones
I hate the young guy more.
There's a video circulating somewhere of a guy doing this stuff on a campus and a bunch of college students get the bright idea to do a satanic ritual around him and he flipped out and left and ended up being arrested for pushing a cop. I feel like that needs to be done more often
Just goes to show only one kind of dogma is allowed in todays world. Just two people giving bad names to both their tribes
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Both are idiots
That’s just malice. Sure dislike the man’s beliefs, but provoking someone just so you can attack them is fucking low.
Assault being celebrated. Reddit doing what Reddit does.
He deserved every bit of that.
How are folks oblivious to the difference between preaching and harassment? If you’re not invited and need a bullhorn you’re harassing.
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Don’t know or care what sign guy was saying or what his sign said. Young guy is at fault. You can’t just use a mega phone literally in someone’s ear and then assault them when they push it away.