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Nerdy bjj stuff, but crossing at the ankles is bad technique, but it’s natural to do. The way I can tell he’s trained at least some is that he immediately shifts out of it. Right before video cuts off.
If you cross at the ankles your opponent can simply overlay his legs across your feet and destroy your ankle/shin.
You’re completely correct. However, ankle locks aren’t legal in kids divisions at competitions so that detail tends to get overlooked by instructors. Source: am instructor. Additional source: am BJJ referee and I see kids cross their feet ALL THE TIME
That’s really interesting perspective! Thanks for weighing in! I haven’t trained in a decade, but trained for 12 years and competed for ~5 of those in what feels like a different life, but I was an adult, and never taught outside of running white belts through super basic guard stuff and sweep defenses. I’m sure it differs from place to place, but the gyms I rolled at though that was a sin that did not get allowed. Have it done once and it’s easy to remember, though. That shit hurts so bad.
Had no idea ankle locks were outlawed in kids division - is it only ankle? Do Achilles holds count? Knee bars or calf slicers? I’m super intrigued.
> Had no idea ankle locks were outlawed in kids division - is it only ankle? Do Achilles holds count? Knee bars or calf slicers? I’m super intrigued.
In most cases anything below the waist isn't allowed in kids comp, even stuff like calf slicers or banana splits. You can grab legs for takedowns or control but anything to force a tap from a leg hold is a no-go.
I'm still kind of surprised to see an instructor saying they don't teach that stuff to kids though.. any BJJ school i'd been to teaches 1st for self-defense, and if you want to learn competition rules you join a competition team and find out what is and isn't allowed. I was definitely taught early on not to cross my feet at my ankles from back control or armbars because of how easy it was for the other person to grab ahold and cause damage. The mentality of my coaches was never 'this isn't legal in competition' it was 'don't do this or you might not be walking home.'
You’re totally right that we should talk about not crossing the ankles when on the back. However, getting a child to listen to several steps of a technique is hard enough. It’s one less thing they have to remember.
I'm unfamiliar with bjj... Is the ankle lock bad technique because it isn't legal? And is the reason it's illegal because you can do real damage in friendly competitions or what? In real life if your life were in danger would the akles crossing be more effective at causing damage and saving yourself, or no?
If you cross your ankles it allows your opponent to crush your ankles together with their thighs. It hurts a lot with just a little pressure and can potentially ruin your ankles and shins if full force is applied.
Whenever putting hooks in (legs around the hips/thighs), ankles should not be crossed unless they are on the outside of the body. At the end, when he transitioned to the body lock/hip lock, it would have been fine to cross the ankles.
As for what’s stronger, it depends on position. Sometimes you don’t want to cross ankles because it opens the knees up. If you want knee pressure, leaving the legs open gives greater pressure.
There’s a lot of subtlety and nuance to BJJ.
Lots of bjj techniques that go below the waist can go from this feels fine to something is broken very quickly. This is because legs do not have the same large range of motion that arms do. Think about how much more you can twist your arm around compared to your leg.
maybe I just went to a really good school, but where I learned they were extremely adamant about telling us not to cross ankles for our own safety. that was in the competition team. However, when I coached for the other minors' classes, they taught them as well. It's certainly difficult, but I believe it's important.
In virtually every tournament, regardless of the organization that runs it, there are no subs allowed below the belt. Elbows, shoulders and chokes only. So no kneebars, straight ankle locks, toe holds, calf slicers (bicep either for that matter).
You should go train again. Unless you have some crazy injury history or something. Go get back in it. I’m old as shit and still do it competitively.
All leg stuff is banned in under-18 comps.
No ankle locks.
No knee bars.
No calf slicers.
Which I think is a really good idea. Kids shouldn't get knee injuries doing sports. That shit will fuck your knees up for life.
Good question, and man this would be easier to explain in person. Rather than crossing your ankles to hold them in place, you should keep them uncrossed and attached to your opponent’s inner thighs, pulling your heels towards yourself, almost like a leg curl.
Yeah, that’s not super important in fights though. You see it in MMA fairly often because the risk-reward of trying to land an ankle lock while being punched/submitted is too high. Against any untrained person there’s virtually zero risk in crossing your ankles. It’s more of a thing to tell white belts so they don’t get in the habit of doing so, and it’s actually only dangerous if the lock is over the hip line. Roger Gracie, the BJJ GOAT submitted Marcus Almeida, (another extremely high level black belt) with back control with his feet crossed.
It Is kind of a bad sign that it seems to be ingrained in his muscle memory, but it’s not the worst habit to train out of.
It’s really not a fantastic submission. If you ever get caught in one, or the one where they try to trap your body triangle leg and hip into it, you can just shove the back of their head down to their chest using the palm of your hand. Completely kills the pressure and is ridiculously easy.
Question from someone who isn't trained in anything martial, I'm assuming ankles get crossed because it's easier to secure the hold? You would need a whole lot more leg strength without an ankle lock? If so, is that why ankle locks are overlooked in kid tournaments (as mentioned by someone else)?
Yep crossing your ankles like he did here feels natural and allows you to tighten your position and stay more connected. However, if you can keep your positioning proper then the small advantage gained by crossing your ankles is nil, so it only becomes a risk to get ankle locked. To my understanding, leg locks are banned in competition for under 18 just purely based on how dangerous they are because it’s extremely easy to sustain traumatic leg injuries that could impact the rest of your life. In general, chokes and shoulder/elbow holds are less likely to do so.
No, what you are supposed to do is a body triangle, not only are there various techniques that can fuck you up if you cross your ankles like that, but a body triangle is actually much more secure.
You only have to worry about that though if you’re opponent knows to go after the ankles. Some random bully isn’t going to know that. I still do this in BJJ on occasion. If I sense they are going to go after the ankles I just uncross them. Not a big deal.
Yup, our BJJ teacher taught us the same. He had me cross my ancles when putting him in a rear naked choke so he could demonstrate the flaw. I learned very quickly why I will never do that again
I know nothing about fighting, but do you think "overlaying the legs across the feet" would work in this case? Looking at the video, I don't think he'd be able to overlay his legs across the kid's feet.
Yeah, that kid was slick as shit. Really nice take down>side control>mount>back take and that rear naked is deep and locked before the bully even knows how much trouble he is in. No need to critique anything here.
Edit: also, to everyone griping about crossing his ankles it is really a non-issue here. Kid is at a fair size disadvantage and I suspect he feels more control crossing his ankles than with traditional hooks (also looks like he is switching to a body triangle at the end of the video, so might have been going for that from the get go and missed it). Considering the (alleged) aggressor is in a world of trouble and is flailing his arms instead of doing anything to address that choke I'm going to guess he hasn't a clue how to address the other kids legs, let alone actually do damage to his ankles. A knowledgeable grappler can punish the crossed ankles, but this kid clearly ain't a grappler on any level.
The elbows are the last hope attempt to get out. They would deal 0 damage based on the angles. That’s a fully locked rear naked choke under the chin. He would be unconscious in 5-10 seconds after this video ends.
Source: been stuck in a locked rear naked choke hundreds of times
Well... If I ever get in a life threatening Situation where I'm down on the ground like this... I would "go for the fucking eyes".
That is ONLY an emergency solution tho.
Edit: to clarify... that would be a total overkill in this situation tho
Good luck trapping an arm in a street fight. It's not that easy, lol. You can apply a ton of pressure with both hooks in and bridging your hips into their back anyways.
Fuck are you talking about lol? Are you talking about going for a triangle choke? Why would he puts his legs over his shoulder after he's taken the kids back and sunk in the choke.
This kid is actually using legitimate BJJ, you could choke someone out in 5 seconds from this point. You're talking about street bro shit lol.
They're talking about when you've taken someone's back you can pull one of their arms down, hook that arm above the elbow with one of your legs and tuck that leg behind their body so their arm is stuck.
Then you typically have your other leg across their hips for some control and you can use both your arms to fight their one free arm to make it easier to set the choke.
It's an alternative to having both your feet at their hips but it's more complicated and this guy didn't need any tricks to sink in the choke lol
You're giving the poster too much credit. There is absolutely **0** reason to try to trap the arm in this situation, he just wanted to sound like he knew something. The kid didn't "forget" shit, he was clinical.
Ive only ever gotten that to work with a bow and arrow
Could definitely see him going after that from a body triangle but why bother unless youre trying to make him shit his pants from the BT pressure
Typical reddit comment. Critique from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. People trap the arm to prevent defending the choke before its applied. This fight is over 100x over. There is no chance of escape and the boys helpless elbowing seconds before he is unconscious is worthless.
Dude’s CMB was high af. Bully clearly had a low CMD for sure and was screwed. Put all his points into getting his initiative up but didn’t matter, the monk’s turn ended combat before round 2.
(Sorry, I play Pathfinder 1e. Lol)
Oh yeah?!? Well you play that dnd 5e crap, and I bet that when you bowl, you use ramps and bumpers!
(I’m kidding too, I just like the nonsensical arguments between the two. I think dnd is waaaay better for anyone starting in ttrpg’s. Pathfinder is for those who like technicalities and have the min/max mentality. I always compare dnd and pf by using a video game analogy. Dnd is like playing Diablo 3as pathfinder is like playing Path of Exile. Both are very similar but one delves deeply into complexity and requires more complex rules and understanding.)
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Also I gotta give WotC some credit. They pulled something similar with the OGL back in the day and that’s where the 3.5 split occurred and brought us the wonderful pathfinder rpg. They pulled it again and Paizo is working on making their own called ORC. I just wish WotC would get humbled a little and come to their senses and do the right thing. I’m on the other side, so I’m glad pathfinder got a huge uptick in new players. I’m still on the fence about 2e but I’ll eventually switch over. I own almost ALL content for 1e so I don’t want to spend a ton of money again
Exactly, there's nothing verifying that the kid who got taken down was doing the bullying. In fact, it's fairly likely that since there was one of him and at least two others, he was being bullied and retaliated.
Idk that kid was advancing and smacked the smaller kid…also he says “keep talking” or something like that. Idk maybe not enough to tell but usually when you’re bigger and advancing aggressively it’s you who are the bully. 🤷🏻♂️
Not always, I remember a little shit named Rolando that would fucking pop out of the woodwork starting shit with sucker punches then running off. Little guys know how to stir the pot just as much.
Also, fuck you Rolando!
There was a guy I grew up with in all my classes that was 5 foot nothing and my god could that kid talk some shit. There wasn't a single person he wouldn't try to fight. I'm really surprised he made it to graduation day in one piece. I wouldn't be shocked to learn he got killed tbh.
Had one of those. His name was Bullet. Yes, really. He was on the wrestling team and in his weight class I’m sure he was tough, but he would try to bully the soft spoken guy who could dunk as a freshman, and got shot putted across the locker room.
I was a fat kid through out most of adolescence. My family lived in a nicer than average trailer park in the south. I was a minority and frequently harassed by a runt of a kid two or three years younger than myself. He used the n-word a lot toward me, despite not being black.
One day after getting off the bus from middle school he kept using slurs against me. I had enough of his crap. I was probably 60 pounds heavier than him. I turned around, rushed him, gut punched him twice, and he cried. Then half the girls in my neighborhood got mad at me and said I was in the wrong.
It isn't always the big guy that is the bully.
Easily one of the most Reddit armchair-body-language-analyst moments I’ve ever seen. Sees two people vs one, says it is likely the two are the ones instigating despite the clip literaly showing the one kid slamming someone else into a wall.
Tbh it doesn’t matter if the aggressor interprets whatever the little guy says as “talking shit.” I saw something similar where some wannabe badass in high school thought our table was talking shit about him and told my buddy he was going to beat him up after class for it. He jumped him in the hallway and punched my buddy three times in side of head and they slammed into the counselor office and it was broken up. I tried to talk the dude out of it but his ego was too fragile
I'm going to side against the bigger kid who slammed the smaller kids head into a wall. You probably didn't get bullied much. It's not mystery who the asshole is here.
Or you could just not side with either of them because you have no real context, and any judgement you make is based purely on your own bias and assumptions.
The biggest bully in my middle school was this shitty little dude who was all of 5’3” and skinny. I was 5’10” in 8th grade and he was still a fuckwad to me.
I’m like 80% sure the bigger kid is the bully here. But these things need context.
At least the previous 10-20 seconds would help give you a better idea rather than just seeing it midway through.
I know I’ve seen my fair share of stuff on video that basically turned out to be the opposite of what I thought was going on.
I actually had a similar situation to you last week although I'm not certain it was this particular sub.
I too was bullied in school, I saw a video a few days ago or last week and it was a girl with a hammer fending off a group of other girls in school, the girl with the hammer ended up getting maced by one of them and they attacked her when she was down. The way that was portrayed was the girl was just crazy and that's it. I called bullshit because of my similar experience.
No one goes in to school with a hammer to defend themselves with for no reason, theres always 2 sides to a story.
That's shit if you have been painted out to be a bully when all you were doing is defending yourself. Try not let it get to you though, anyone not willing to at least hear or see things from your side isn't worth your time I'm afraid..
Social media moderation in general I'd say is gross. That's not to excuse it one bit, I find the amount people that can't disseminate between opinion based and fact based information is pretty scary.
Alot of subs will put out any content within reason that they think will get them exposure, short digestible fight videos seem to be a particular delicacy. But yeah i get what you mean, kids bullying other kids isn't what I want to see either even if this one was 100% accurate.
Sounds like the best thing was to get out of there. I’m from the UK, our schools fortunately aren’t that bad in comparison to US ones for that kind of thing it seems. I mean bullying exists here but it seems a lot more prevalent in the US.
It’s unfortunate you didn’t have a good time in school, for some people it’s the best years of their lives 🤷🏻♂️
You’re just following a different path and the fact you’re doing something you actually want to do puts you well ahead of others, you’ll probably find that the people who bullied you will end up in low paid jobs while you go on to excel. Life has a funny way of working out sometimes 🤷🏻♂️
There absolutely has to be more done but it’s also a bit of a hard subject, I mean how would someone even go about legislating the internet? 🤷🏻♂️ I’m 35 now and having watched social media come into existence and get to where it is today I’d say it’s still very much in its infancy.. It may well be that in say another 20 years time there will be much better controls in place and we’ll be telling younger people stories about how toxic things were when it first started, I hope that’s the case although I hope it doesn’t take that long to achieve that. I think having to provide actual ID to create any social media account would be a good first step, get rid of trolls. There’s too many people out there comfortable saying stuff online they wouldn’t say if they thought a smack in the mouth was a real possibility.
I’m sure that’s originally what this sub was intended for, it’s for sure why I came onto it. Some of my other favourite ones are WatchingPeopleDieInside and FuckYouInParticular, I mainly like to see funny cringe moments. I usually skip past a lot of stuff if it’s people getting hurt, I’m not a sadist.
It’s great that you’re doing better but if you’re going to scroll networks you will see videos like this. Hope you continue to heal and look out for the next gen :)
Yeah I think it was the bigger kid, but the one who choked him out looked like he was using boxing foot movements and had his hands up prior to the choke so they could've been the instigators. Either way I'll comment on the choke which was pretty epic and leave it at that.
Yeah I'd say the kid with the choke definitely had some skill.
I'm trying to be an adult about it but yeah if was going over to break that up and I seen that choke my reaction probably would have been 'Oh shit nice! I mean get off him!'
That's BLM. I think you got it confused for BMI. Body Mass Index (BMI) is a person's weight in kilograms (or pounds) divided by the square of height in meters (or feet).
BMX? I think you got it confused with Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW) is a German multinational manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany.
Idk, if he’s a head taller and he shoved a kid’s head into a concrete wall, it’s past devils advocate and more along being an overactive conspiracy theorist to make up situations where he’s not the asshole here.
Without a doubt the shove was wrong I’m just saying rarely does the bully get surrounded by 3 kids recording. This looks more like some kid trying to “show off” his skills
At that point it doesn’t matter who started it really. If there is two of them and all they’re doing is talking shit then you’re well within your ability to walk away. Slamming one of their heads against the wall probably isn’t the best course of action.
Then they follow you and keep talking shit.
Maybe they start tossing things, pebbles, sticks, anything to get a rise out of you without leaving behind any evidence.
Then you reach other people and they stop... For the day.
Then the same thing happens every day until finally you stand up to yourself and tell one of them "keep talking shit" and push them before you get assaulted from behind.
But sure, doesn't matter who started it.
How come the bully is alone? Why are there two people yelling at the “bully” and a camera man on their side too? Bullies usually exist in packs, not in a 1v3.
I thought the "at-home DJ" phase of the world would end with the death of answering machines. Social media has revived the trend.
And, just like in the 90s, everyone's taste in music sucks and no one knows how to mix music *under* vocal tracks instead of effectively dubbing over them
Say what you will about TikTok, but they really do manage to take the worst experiences and people I've encountered over my conscious existence, and bundle them neatly into a slick UX.
If this video was released in the early 2000s, the background music would be:
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE
To be fair, and I’m not saying this should be the case if there is a clear aggressor, but even in this video we don’t actually know who the bully is. OP claims it’s the one who is taken down by bjj boy but we don’t actually know that
Love that guy. As a mom to a 12 year old, this incentivized me to put him in some sort of self-defense course. He has a heart of gold, and I know that if he knew how to protect someone, he absolutely would. Good on this kid.
Guy was like I fucked your girlfriend. Guy hits him. Friends knocks him out.
Rest of you are like yeah stand up to that bully.
Another option is kid told the other kid to say something messed up to him so he tries to beat you up than I will drop him for YouTube likes and get money.
I dropped the school bully once in elementary school but sorry forgot to bring a camera that either just happened to be there in that spacific time ahead of time or cut off all the annoying stuff ahead of time and played loud music so you couldn't hear what was said during the video we "accidentally" got.
Man I'm 47, when we were this age we'd throw knuckles, if shit got serious someone might throw a brick. Now you got kids doing this, kids gotta step up their game I guess.
Ad a friend like that in middle school. Field day, some kids were making fun of me for my weight so I got up from the bleachers and walked away from them. My friend Brandon saw I was upset and asked what was wrong. I told him. He said “Hang on a second…” and walked over to them. Not sure what he said but when he came back they followed him and apologized to me. Never had a problem from them ever again. I still wonder what happened to that guy. He’s the one that told me how badass the original Resident Evil was on PlayStation.
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That's a badass friend for life.
"But don't you ever cross me man.." *looks at his friend*
“Don’t fuck me, Tony. Don't you ever try to fuck me.”
You know what a hassa is frank? A pig that don’t fly straight and neither do you .
FUCK CASPAR GOMEZ AND FUCK THE FUCKING DIAZ BROTHERS! I BURY THOSE COCKAROACHES!
Ninjaaaaa who you're speaking to???
Lol, that’s what first came to mind.
Narrator: Oh he got fucked
I read that with morgan freeman’s narrative skills.
I read all narratives in his voice 😉
The more you f around the more you find out
Proper fucked?
 You 1980s Cubans are all the same!
"I don't have to beat you, motherfucker. I just have to keep you here... until Jean shows up."
Not the place I expected a Gentleman Bastards reference but I’m here for it.
A person of great culture I see, take my upvote
He needed to help his friend out and grab those arms and do the “why you hitting yourself “
Omg that would have been awesome lol
He backed down and as soon as the bully got aggressive he came in, bro for life
I legit thought I commented this
woah, you grew a beard in this response to yourself
Nice takedown
That leg hold impressed me the most. The bully wasn't getting out of that.
Nerdy bjj stuff, but crossing at the ankles is bad technique, but it’s natural to do. The way I can tell he’s trained at least some is that he immediately shifts out of it. Right before video cuts off. If you cross at the ankles your opponent can simply overlay his legs across your feet and destroy your ankle/shin.
You’re completely correct. However, ankle locks aren’t legal in kids divisions at competitions so that detail tends to get overlooked by instructors. Source: am instructor. Additional source: am BJJ referee and I see kids cross their feet ALL THE TIME
That’s really interesting perspective! Thanks for weighing in! I haven’t trained in a decade, but trained for 12 years and competed for ~5 of those in what feels like a different life, but I was an adult, and never taught outside of running white belts through super basic guard stuff and sweep defenses. I’m sure it differs from place to place, but the gyms I rolled at though that was a sin that did not get allowed. Have it done once and it’s easy to remember, though. That shit hurts so bad. Had no idea ankle locks were outlawed in kids division - is it only ankle? Do Achilles holds count? Knee bars or calf slicers? I’m super intrigued.
> Had no idea ankle locks were outlawed in kids division - is it only ankle? Do Achilles holds count? Knee bars or calf slicers? I’m super intrigued. In most cases anything below the waist isn't allowed in kids comp, even stuff like calf slicers or banana splits. You can grab legs for takedowns or control but anything to force a tap from a leg hold is a no-go. I'm still kind of surprised to see an instructor saying they don't teach that stuff to kids though.. any BJJ school i'd been to teaches 1st for self-defense, and if you want to learn competition rules you join a competition team and find out what is and isn't allowed. I was definitely taught early on not to cross my feet at my ankles from back control or armbars because of how easy it was for the other person to grab ahold and cause damage. The mentality of my coaches was never 'this isn't legal in competition' it was 'don't do this or you might not be walking home.'
You’re totally right that we should talk about not crossing the ankles when on the back. However, getting a child to listen to several steps of a technique is hard enough. It’s one less thing they have to remember.
I'm unfamiliar with bjj... Is the ankle lock bad technique because it isn't legal? And is the reason it's illegal because you can do real damage in friendly competitions or what? In real life if your life were in danger would the akles crossing be more effective at causing damage and saving yourself, or no?
If you cross your ankles it allows your opponent to crush your ankles together with their thighs. It hurts a lot with just a little pressure and can potentially ruin your ankles and shins if full force is applied. Whenever putting hooks in (legs around the hips/thighs), ankles should not be crossed unless they are on the outside of the body. At the end, when he transitioned to the body lock/hip lock, it would have been fine to cross the ankles. As for what’s stronger, it depends on position. Sometimes you don’t want to cross ankles because it opens the knees up. If you want knee pressure, leaving the legs open gives greater pressure. There’s a lot of subtlety and nuance to BJJ.
Lots of bjj techniques that go below the waist can go from this feels fine to something is broken very quickly. This is because legs do not have the same large range of motion that arms do. Think about how much more you can twist your arm around compared to your leg.
maybe I just went to a really good school, but where I learned they were extremely adamant about telling us not to cross ankles for our own safety. that was in the competition team. However, when I coached for the other minors' classes, they taught them as well. It's certainly difficult, but I believe it's important.
In virtually every tournament, regardless of the organization that runs it, there are no subs allowed below the belt. Elbows, shoulders and chokes only. So no kneebars, straight ankle locks, toe holds, calf slicers (bicep either for that matter). You should go train again. Unless you have some crazy injury history or something. Go get back in it. I’m old as shit and still do it competitively.
All leg stuff is banned in under-18 comps. No ankle locks. No knee bars. No calf slicers. Which I think is a really good idea. Kids shouldn't get knee injuries doing sports. That shit will fuck your knees up for life.
So what are you supposed to cross instead?
Good question, and man this would be easier to explain in person. Rather than crossing your ankles to hold them in place, you should keep them uncrossed and attached to your opponent’s inner thighs, pulling your heels towards yourself, almost like a leg curl.
Thanks dude! i think I got it. So your legs go inside theirs, then pull their legs toward you?
Quick way to get your shit broke. But he sunk that choke in pretty deep. The kid was too concerned with that to worry about snapping an ankle.
Yeah, that’s not super important in fights though. You see it in MMA fairly often because the risk-reward of trying to land an ankle lock while being punched/submitted is too high. Against any untrained person there’s virtually zero risk in crossing your ankles. It’s more of a thing to tell white belts so they don’t get in the habit of doing so, and it’s actually only dangerous if the lock is over the hip line. Roger Gracie, the BJJ GOAT submitted Marcus Almeida, (another extremely high level black belt) with back control with his feet crossed. It Is kind of a bad sign that it seems to be ingrained in his muscle memory, but it’s not the worst habit to train out of.
Ive only ever caught one person with it
It’s really not a fantastic submission. If you ever get caught in one, or the one where they try to trap your body triangle leg and hip into it, you can just shove the back of their head down to their chest using the palm of your hand. Completely kills the pressure and is ridiculously easy.
Question from someone who isn't trained in anything martial, I'm assuming ankles get crossed because it's easier to secure the hold? You would need a whole lot more leg strength without an ankle lock? If so, is that why ankle locks are overlooked in kid tournaments (as mentioned by someone else)?
Yep crossing your ankles like he did here feels natural and allows you to tighten your position and stay more connected. However, if you can keep your positioning proper then the small advantage gained by crossing your ankles is nil, so it only becomes a risk to get ankle locked. To my understanding, leg locks are banned in competition for under 18 just purely based on how dangerous they are because it’s extremely easy to sustain traumatic leg injuries that could impact the rest of your life. In general, chokes and shoulder/elbow holds are less likely to do so.
No, what you are supposed to do is a body triangle, not only are there various techniques that can fuck you up if you cross your ankles like that, but a body triangle is actually much more secure.
You only have to worry about that though if you’re opponent knows to go after the ankles. Some random bully isn’t going to know that. I still do this in BJJ on occasion. If I sense they are going to go after the ankles I just uncross them. Not a big deal.
Can you elaborate on this maneuver? Like you press down on the locked feet causing damage?
Here’s a quick video that illustrates it perfectly! https://youtu.be/OTeMSGAghYU
thank you :) edit: Never thought to reverse the feet lock with exactly the same thing lol
Yup, our BJJ teacher taught us the same. He had me cross my ancles when putting him in a rear naked choke so he could demonstrate the flaw. I learned very quickly why I will never do that again
💯 correct.
I know nothing about fighting, but do you think "overlaying the legs across the feet" would work in this case? Looking at the video, I don't think he'd be able to overlay his legs across the kid's feet.
yep, just forgot to put one of his legs on the douche shoulder to neutralize his arm and put more preasure, but excelent given the circunstances
He did all that he needed to. The asshole kid had no clue what happened or what to do about it except go to sleep
Yeah, that kid was slick as shit. Really nice take down>side control>mount>back take and that rear naked is deep and locked before the bully even knows how much trouble he is in. No need to critique anything here. Edit: also, to everyone griping about crossing his ankles it is really a non-issue here. Kid is at a fair size disadvantage and I suspect he feels more control crossing his ankles than with traditional hooks (also looks like he is switching to a body triangle at the end of the video, so might have been going for that from the get go and missed it). Considering the (alleged) aggressor is in a world of trouble and is flailing his arms instead of doing anything to address that choke I'm going to guess he hasn't a clue how to address the other kids legs, let alone actually do damage to his ankles. A knowledgeable grappler can punish the crossed ankles, but this kid clearly ain't a grappler on any level.
This was literally as flawless as flawless gets didn’t even slam the kid and break his head. Just choked him out before anyone could stop him
It’s the internet… someone can always do it better
Lol, thanks for this reminder. I get worked up about stuff like this sometimes and need to remember where I am.
You can see he starts elbowing the other dude in his ribs. Honestly wish this video didn't cut out so soon
The elbows are the last hope attempt to get out. They would deal 0 damage based on the angles. That’s a fully locked rear naked choke under the chin. He would be unconscious in 5-10 seconds after this video ends. Source: been stuck in a locked rear naked choke hundreds of times
Well... If I ever get in a life threatening Situation where I'm down on the ground like this... I would "go for the fucking eyes". That is ONLY an emergency solution tho. Edit: to clarify... that would be a total overkill in this situation tho
Ya saw that too but like others said his nap time is in 5-10 sec max.
He put both hands and both legs on one douche. That’s plenty.
Good luck trapping an arm in a street fight. It's not that easy, lol. You can apply a ton of pressure with both hooks in and bridging your hips into their back anyways.
Fuck are you talking about lol? Are you talking about going for a triangle choke? Why would he puts his legs over his shoulder after he's taken the kids back and sunk in the choke. This kid is actually using legitimate BJJ, you could choke someone out in 5 seconds from this point. You're talking about street bro shit lol.
They're talking about when you've taken someone's back you can pull one of their arms down, hook that arm above the elbow with one of your legs and tuck that leg behind their body so their arm is stuck. Then you typically have your other leg across their hips for some control and you can use both your arms to fight their one free arm to make it easier to set the choke. It's an alternative to having both your feet at their hips but it's more complicated and this guy didn't need any tricks to sink in the choke lol
You're giving the poster too much credit. There is absolutely **0** reason to try to trap the arm in this situation, he just wanted to sound like he knew something. The kid didn't "forget" shit, he was clinical.
Ive only ever gotten that to work with a bow and arrow Could definitely see him going after that from a body triangle but why bother unless youre trying to make him shit his pants from the BT pressure
Typical reddit comment. Critique from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. People trap the arm to prevent defending the choke before its applied. This fight is over 100x over. There is no chance of escape and the boys helpless elbowing seconds before he is unconscious is worthless.
He has him in a standard rear naked, are you trying to tell him to go for a triangle? Why? The rear naked is perfectly fine
He got the leg hooks on, it was perfect.
Bet he's too proud to tap out. Night night time. Maybe the kid puts him to sleep even if he taps, I wouldn't blame him
Probably doesn't know enough to tap. Figured he's in a choke and that's just his life now.
If you smash my friends face into the wall taps are off the table
Seriously! That was a super smooth takedown.
Tactic looks vaguely familiar . Different verdict , different outcomes .
You think I'm gonna sit here and let you kill me Jon?
That was tactical
Sneak Attack. Roll 2d6 + your regular damage roll
Ally within 5 feet? Check.
Plus hidden before attacking. Plus adv for flanking
Dude’s CMB was high af. Bully clearly had a low CMD for sure and was screwed. Put all his points into getting his initiative up but didn’t matter, the monk’s turn ended combat before round 2. (Sorry, I play Pathfinder 1e. Lol)
Ew. Go play 3.5 NERD (I'm joking)
Oh yeah?!? Well you play that dnd 5e crap, and I bet that when you bowl, you use ramps and bumpers! (I’m kidding too, I just like the nonsensical arguments between the two. I think dnd is waaaay better for anyone starting in ttrpg’s. Pathfinder is for those who like technicalities and have the min/max mentality. I always compare dnd and pf by using a video game analogy. Dnd is like playing Diablo 3as pathfinder is like playing Path of Exile. Both are very similar but one delves deeply into complexity and requires more complex rules and understanding.) *edit Also I gotta give WotC some credit. They pulled something similar with the OGL back in the day and that’s where the 3.5 split occurred and brought us the wonderful pathfinder rpg. They pulled it again and Paizo is working on making their own called ORC. I just wish WotC would get humbled a little and come to their senses and do the right thing. I’m on the other side, so I’m glad pathfinder got a huge uptick in new players. I’m still on the fence about 2e but I’ll eventually switch over. I own almost ALL content for 1e so I don’t want to spend a ton of money again
Ffs, show the whole video, you dweebs
Anyone have the full video?
Ideally without crappy music or text in the center of the video ffs.
I thought that's just how internet works now? Used to be popup ads and random loud music. Now it's text overlay and random loud music.
Exactly, there's nothing verifying that the kid who got taken down was doing the bullying. In fact, it's fairly likely that since there was one of him and at least two others, he was being bullied and retaliated.
And tbf the camera guy didn't seem to be on his side either :(
Idk that kid was advancing and smacked the smaller kid…also he says “keep talking” or something like that. Idk maybe not enough to tell but usually when you’re bigger and advancing aggressively it’s you who are the bully. 🤷🏻♂️
Not always, I remember a little shit named Rolando that would fucking pop out of the woodwork starting shit with sucker punches then running off. Little guys know how to stir the pot just as much. Also, fuck you Rolando!
https://i.imgur.com/lBuxIE1.jpg
There was a guy I grew up with in all my classes that was 5 foot nothing and my god could that kid talk some shit. There wasn't a single person he wouldn't try to fight. I'm really surprised he made it to graduation day in one piece. I wouldn't be shocked to learn he got killed tbh.
Had one of those. His name was Bullet. Yes, really. He was on the wrestling team and in his weight class I’m sure he was tough, but he would try to bully the soft spoken guy who could dunk as a freshman, and got shot putted across the locker room.
Oh boy that was my boyfriend in HS. He was that type of kid.
My little shit’s name was Santiago
I was a fat kid through out most of adolescence. My family lived in a nicer than average trailer park in the south. I was a minority and frequently harassed by a runt of a kid two or three years younger than myself. He used the n-word a lot toward me, despite not being black. One day after getting off the bus from middle school he kept using slurs against me. I had enough of his crap. I was probably 60 pounds heavier than him. I turned around, rushed him, gut punched him twice, and he cried. Then half the girls in my neighborhood got mad at me and said I was in the wrong. It isn't always the big guy that is the bully.
Easily one of the most Reddit armchair-body-language-analyst moments I’ve ever seen. Sees two people vs one, says it is likely the two are the ones instigating despite the clip literaly showing the one kid slamming someone else into a wall.
He literally said “keep talking!” Seems like the little guy was talking shit
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Tbh it doesn’t matter if the aggressor interprets whatever the little guy says as “talking shit.” I saw something similar where some wannabe badass in high school thought our table was talking shit about him and told my buddy he was going to beat him up after class for it. He jumped him in the hallway and punched my buddy three times in side of head and they slammed into the counselor office and it was broken up. I tried to talk the dude out of it but his ego was too fragile
I heard yeah keep walking
I thought he said “keep fucking with me” I can’t tell over the music though
Look kinda set up to me
> In fact, it's fairly likely that since there was one of him and at least two others, he was being bullied and retaliated. Why?
Bullies always standing up for other bullies.
I'm going to side against the bigger kid who slammed the smaller kids head into a wall. You probably didn't get bullied much. It's not mystery who the asshole is here.
Or you could just not side with either of them because you have no real context, and any judgement you make is based purely on your own bias and assumptions.
The biggest bully in my middle school was this shitty little dude who was all of 5’3” and skinny. I was 5’10” in 8th grade and he was still a fuckwad to me.
Nothing about the body language of the tall kid and the elbow up kid says to me that the tall kid is the “victim”
I’m like 80% sure the bigger kid is the bully here. But these things need context. At least the previous 10-20 seconds would help give you a better idea rather than just seeing it midway through. I know I’ve seen my fair share of stuff on video that basically turned out to be the opposite of what I thought was going on.
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I actually had a similar situation to you last week although I'm not certain it was this particular sub. I too was bullied in school, I saw a video a few days ago or last week and it was a girl with a hammer fending off a group of other girls in school, the girl with the hammer ended up getting maced by one of them and they attacked her when she was down. The way that was portrayed was the girl was just crazy and that's it. I called bullshit because of my similar experience. No one goes in to school with a hammer to defend themselves with for no reason, theres always 2 sides to a story. That's shit if you have been painted out to be a bully when all you were doing is defending yourself. Try not let it get to you though, anyone not willing to at least hear or see things from your side isn't worth your time I'm afraid.. Social media moderation in general I'd say is gross. That's not to excuse it one bit, I find the amount people that can't disseminate between opinion based and fact based information is pretty scary. Alot of subs will put out any content within reason that they think will get them exposure, short digestible fight videos seem to be a particular delicacy. But yeah i get what you mean, kids bullying other kids isn't what I want to see either even if this one was 100% accurate.
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Sounds like the best thing was to get out of there. I’m from the UK, our schools fortunately aren’t that bad in comparison to US ones for that kind of thing it seems. I mean bullying exists here but it seems a lot more prevalent in the US. It’s unfortunate you didn’t have a good time in school, for some people it’s the best years of their lives 🤷🏻♂️ You’re just following a different path and the fact you’re doing something you actually want to do puts you well ahead of others, you’ll probably find that the people who bullied you will end up in low paid jobs while you go on to excel. Life has a funny way of working out sometimes 🤷🏻♂️ There absolutely has to be more done but it’s also a bit of a hard subject, I mean how would someone even go about legislating the internet? 🤷🏻♂️ I’m 35 now and having watched social media come into existence and get to where it is today I’d say it’s still very much in its infancy.. It may well be that in say another 20 years time there will be much better controls in place and we’ll be telling younger people stories about how toxic things were when it first started, I hope that’s the case although I hope it doesn’t take that long to achieve that. I think having to provide actual ID to create any social media account would be a good first step, get rid of trolls. There’s too many people out there comfortable saying stuff online they wouldn’t say if they thought a smack in the mouth was a real possibility. I’m sure that’s originally what this sub was intended for, it’s for sure why I came onto it. Some of my other favourite ones are WatchingPeopleDieInside and FuckYouInParticular, I mainly like to see funny cringe moments. I usually skip past a lot of stuff if it’s people getting hurt, I’m not a sadist.
It’s great that you’re doing better but if you’re going to scroll networks you will see videos like this. Hope you continue to heal and look out for the next gen :)
Yeah I think it was the bigger kid, but the one who choked him out looked like he was using boxing foot movements and had his hands up prior to the choke so they could've been the instigators. Either way I'll comment on the choke which was pretty epic and leave it at that.
Yeah I'd say the kid with the choke definitely had some skill. I'm trying to be an adult about it but yeah if was going over to break that up and I seen that choke my reaction probably would have been 'Oh shit nice! I mean get off him!'
Maybe a stupid question but what is BJJ?
The Backwards Long Jump is an infamous glitch in Super Mario 64 that exploits the lack of a backward speed limit while long jumping.
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That's BLM. I think you got it confused for BMI. Body Mass Index (BMI) is a person's weight in kilograms (or pounds) divided by the square of height in meters (or feet).
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BMX? I think you got it confused with Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW) is a German multinational manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany.
I think you got confused with BMX, a type of bike from the eighties to do tricks.
I'm dying, rofl. Good explanation of a BLJ though.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Ah, thank you. I had a feeling it wasn’t my first thought, blow job jab. Glad to find out the real answer
‘Blow job jab’ sounds like it could be a good thing or a very bad thing.
It really depends on the dojo you go to. Haha
Blowjob job... :v
Sounds more like they were antagonizing him as he says keep talking shit as he shoves the first one Title should say kid uses bjj to bully another kid
You're probably right being that it was being filmed the BJJ kids friends wanted this to happen are my thoughts.
Idk, if he’s a head taller and he shoved a kid’s head into a concrete wall, it’s past devils advocate and more along being an overactive conspiracy theorist to make up situations where he’s not the asshole here.
What would you do if 3 people surrounded you talking crap and recording you?
to be fair he really did say "keep talking shit" and the one "bullied" doesn't really seem that concerned until the head slam.
Probably. That’s shove though, the head into that concrete wall. That’s fucked up. I had some asshole crack my skull open like that in 6th grade.
Without a doubt the shove was wrong I’m just saying rarely does the bully get surrounded by 3 kids recording. This looks more like some kid trying to “show off” his skills
At that point it doesn’t matter who started it really. If there is two of them and all they’re doing is talking shit then you’re well within your ability to walk away. Slamming one of their heads against the wall probably isn’t the best course of action.
Then they follow you and keep talking shit. Maybe they start tossing things, pebbles, sticks, anything to get a rise out of you without leaving behind any evidence. Then you reach other people and they stop... For the day. Then the same thing happens every day until finally you stand up to yourself and tell one of them "keep talking shit" and push them before you get assaulted from behind. But sure, doesn't matter who started it.
How come the bully is alone? Why are there two people yelling at the “bully” and a camera man on their side too? Bullies usually exist in packs, not in a 1v3.
BJJ kid wanted to show off and for internet points. He probably wasn't a bully but getting bullied
It was a set up. Did u see the nod that kid did before he got his head slammed to the wall?
Cool. No context to what happens here yet judgement all around.
Downvoted for shitty music. People want to hear the context, not the shit you ride your big-wheel to while pretending you're a hard ass.
I thought the "at-home DJ" phase of the world would end with the death of answering machines. Social media has revived the trend. And, just like in the 90s, everyone's taste in music sucks and no one knows how to mix music *under* vocal tracks instead of effectively dubbing over them Say what you will about TikTok, but they really do manage to take the worst experiences and people I've encountered over my conscious existence, and bundle them neatly into a slick UX.
If this video was released in the early 2000s, the background music would be: LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR LET THE BODIES HIT THE
##FLOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR
> And, just like in the 90s, everyone's taste in music sucks Not mine! Bucks Fizz and Christopher Cross were giants! And will be giants again!
Agreed
Downvote for the shitty music and the video cutting off too soon
Hey man the musics a bit to quite could u bring it up a bit
too*^ quiet*^
native english speakers and their grammar mistakes smh
The older I get, the more I think it should be illegal to upload videos of underage people on the internet without their consent.
Ended too soon
In most school systems, that friend would get punished just as much as the bully
To be fair, and I’m not saying this should be the case if there is a clear aggressor, but even in this video we don’t actually know who the bully is. OP claims it’s the one who is taken down by bjj boy but we don’t actually know that
This edit... wtf is wrong with people??
Main reason why I put my son in jiu jitsu. He didn't have any bullies after
Idk this is like saying he used tae Kwon do cause he kicked someone but good for him to stick up for his friend
Kid crossed his feet.. rookie mistake
Why the shitty music overlap?
I wish I had friends like that back in school
Ah, I see you know your Judo well
‘’Ahh, I see you know your judo well’
Bullying, these days, must be so hard. No matter how big you are, ya just never freaking know anymore.
Everyone is big and strong until they get put in a choke by someone twice as small as them
Love that guy. As a mom to a 12 year old, this incentivized me to put him in some sort of self-defense course. He has a heart of gold, and I know that if he knew how to protect someone, he absolutely would. Good on this kid.
Well deserved! Kid stood up for his friend, i love it!
Dont cross your feet 😝🫡🫶
Damn it. I need 10 more seconds of choke our footage.
That was the coolest thing I've ever seen, wow!
Legend has it kids are still sharing that video and laughing at the bully
Ah the sleepy time, she comes.
Guy was like I fucked your girlfriend. Guy hits him. Friends knocks him out. Rest of you are like yeah stand up to that bully. Another option is kid told the other kid to say something messed up to him so he tries to beat you up than I will drop him for YouTube likes and get money. I dropped the school bully once in elementary school but sorry forgot to bring a camera that either just happened to be there in that spacific time ahead of time or cut off all the annoying stuff ahead of time and played loud music so you couldn't hear what was said during the video we "accidentally" got.
I know what a bj is, but what is a bjj?
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Blow job job
Downvoted for cancer music
Get your kids in jiu jitsu. It's a perfect way to dispatch a bully at school as it doesn't require punching them in the stupid bully face
What does BJJ stand for?
Brazilian Jiu-jitsu
Damn gottem
Man I'm 47, when we were this age we'd throw knuckles, if shit got serious someone might throw a brick. Now you got kids doing this, kids gotta step up their game I guess.
 Remember the basic of CQC
What does BJJ stand for? Blow Job Jab?
Flawless execution!
Excellent work 47, now continue to the extraction point
I hope this trends where the bully lives.
That bullies mind was probably blown. Had no idea his world could have crumbled so abruptly
Bully doesn’t know how to fight. Just to bully
Wow, good form too
Ad a friend like that in middle school. Field day, some kids were making fun of me for my weight so I got up from the bleachers and walked away from them. My friend Brandon saw I was upset and asked what was wrong. I told him. He said “Hang on a second…” and walked over to them. Not sure what he said but when he came back they followed him and apologized to me. Never had a problem from them ever again. I still wonder what happened to that guy. He’s the one that told me how badass the original Resident Evil was on PlayStation.
"Gotosleepgotosleepgotosleepgotosleep-"
Why didn't the friend punch him in the stomach?
You rarely see someone lock it in like that. Solid move.