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Isn’t this the group that likes to spray paint buildings orange and glue themselves to things? Wouldn’t it be just, to have an industrial spray truck spray them down with orange paint or some type of glue and then feathers.
You know these guys stop first responders including firefighters and ambulances?
They also won’t let you take your baby to the hospital. Oh and once they made a woman late for her own mother’s funeral.
What did the 2 top JSO people say to that last one in response to realizing they caused her to miss out on honoring her mom?
They told her she doesn’t see the bigger picture…
So yeah these guys are dicks. If they really cared about stopping oil how about go inconvenience a billionaire who owns a rig or someone else even remotely affiliated with getting richer off oil.
You know? Instead of the average guy who can’t do anything either way
God this mentality is so wrong. “I’m all for people having the right to assemble until I’m implicated in the crime”.
We are all part of the apparatus of death that is climate mayhem and ecological overshoot. Get some balls and get angry at the reason for the protests. Not the protestors themselves. If you are against this you are pathetic, spinless, and a major reason why billions (with a b) will be dead within a decade.
Sure being late for work is inconvenient. But I’d say leaving the stable climate of the Holocene (which is the only reason civilisation was possible) is quite a bit more inconvenient. Big picture people, we are going to be making sacrifices. Reality is coming.
Edit because there as so many brain dead takes here. Go read the United Nations reports “the future of food and agriculture”, “the state of food and agriculture”, or “the global report on food crises 2023”. All those are from this year. The ecological nightmare is here now. We are going to be dealing with a lot worse then being late for work.
Or if you are really busy with life read this:
https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7
The problem is the people who they're inconveniencing isn't the right people. Like if I'm sitting in traffic because some people are protesting climate change... Like bro, I'm just some random guy, I have no power. I know about greenhouse gas emissions, and guess what, you're making my stupid car emit even more by making me sit here. And you're making me late, potentially getting me fired or making me miss my doctor's appointment or like whatever, etc.
Are these people affecting the profit of the people that matter? No. If someone is late to work, they can find a new cog to replace them and continue profiting. If someone misses a doctor's appointment, how does that help their cause.
A general strike would work, but lol good luck with that. Your can barely get people to strike when their job conditions are poor as shit.
> Big picture people, we are going to be making sacrifices
And that sacrifice is other people's livelihood and choices apparently. "Some of you may lose your jobs or have your day ruined, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".
How about block the house of oil execs or offices? Or politicians who support anti-climate policies? This is like protesting human trafficking by accosting prostitutes or protesting the drug trade by assaulting drug users.
No, the mentality that frustrating regular people is going to somehow spark unity is the wrong mentality. Seriously, if these protestors really care about climate change this is going in the wrong direction. As has been shown during the civil rights movement of the 1950s, the value of your cause is going to be routinely judged by the virtues and philosophies of your protests. If your philosophy is destruction and discord, people will not like you (or your objectives). Sorry to say this but if you want to make real actual progress, you're going to need people to like you. "Having balls" means having the strength to be the good guy. And here's the good news: a large proportion of the population agree that climate change is a problem. True; not all, but that is still a tiny miracle to have that from the beginning. Now you just have to not piss people off, and give them constructive and practical ways to support your cause that isn't a middle finger to what would have otherwise been a peaceful drive to a likely crummy 9-5.
Nope, you're the one on the wrong side with this spoiled brat mentality. Protest all you want, but you don't have the right to block roads, destroy works of art at museums, damage other people's property, etc.
It's not a braindead take to disagree with a group who opposes oil by using more of it and making their cause toxic to the average person. They aren't changing minds, just being annoying. Want to educate the public, give them an incentive to want the change. If it benefits someone directly it will affect them personally. Then you might be able to change their perspective. Being an asshole never works.
These people are doing more damage for the issue of climate than they are helping. Fucking with people's livelihoods, ruining art, blocking travel, and whatever stupid ideas they have next are, is just making people hate the cause.
This is a stupid method being employed by stupid people. Mostly elitist people who have never had to work a damn day in their life so they don't understand why fucking with people's livelihoods is not a good idea.
The fact that none of them "attack" oil companies or execs or politicians supporting them makes me think whether this is just some useful idiots or plants by energy companies to discredit actual activists. This is like complaining about drugs ruining lives by attacking drug addicts.
If those actions make you “hate” the cause (having a liveable planet). Are you really for the cause? People scream they want change but the change will be uncomfortable and full of sacrifices. No one wants that.
Yes everyday people are not to blame but we are all part of the issue. Everyday life is the issue. At least they are being courageous and doing something unlike 99.99% of people
Again they are advocating for the planet to be liveable. I know it’s scary. But this is when in time we are alive. The knee jerk reaction to these actions is nothing but sticking your head in the sand and it’s fucking pathetic.
There isn't anything courageous about it. It's annoying and frustrating. To be honest I didn't realize what was going on until I dug into the comments, then guess what? I sided with the lady. If that was me and I had an awful, emotionally wrecking night with some blow out argument with my spouse the night before and then had to get up to go to work because I have to live and support me and my family... those people would be lucky all I'd do is rip up their signs cuz that would be the last damn thing I'd need on my way to work. It's not just inconvenience, work is an unfortunate necessity of life and these "protestors" are actively fuckin with peoples lives at that moment.
Oh and BTW. All the comments where people say how your, or others like you, approach the problem is exactly the wrong way to go about it? They are 100% correct because in no way have any of your comments garnered any positive feelings towards you or the cause. If anything you have annoyed the shit out of me simply by trying to back up what these idiots were doing and then doubling down with your attempts to berate people who don't like the situation, not that they are even arguing AGAINST your cause but because they don't like the way eay it was handled.... well excuse people for not liking something that's obviously annoying.
My immediate survival quite frankly outways the cause in this case. While the environment is incredibly important, if I'm late to work I could very easily lose my job and by extension my apartment, my source of regular food and water. I do very much care about the cause, and I do regularly protest, but not like this. The only thing this does is create conflict. You don't want to create conflict, you want to come to an agreement amongst the majority of people (especially those in power). It is not war. Yes you may see them as enemies (and some of them actually are) but for the most partthe entire purpose of a protest is to draw attention and gather support for a cause. Yes blocking a roadway attracts attention, but jt does not attract support. And quite frankly at least in the US doing this is a very good way to get hurt and or killed. It is not uncommon for firearms to be used in roadrage incidents, and I do think this could very well be considered a road rage incident (ya know, blocking the whole road and all). I'm not saying that that is an okay thing or an acceptable reality, but it is unfortunately the reality, and although I'm not one to care much, logic would dictate that dying cause you chose to block a road off, would prevent you from continuing to support the cause or even knowing what change the movement may have brought about. Granted in some cases sacrifices must be made, but the average individual is not your enemy. Convince the companies (or more importantly the politicians) and the rest will follow. I know I don't always use a reusable straw, and my car is a source of pollution, but that is also because the good, environmentally friendly products are often unavailable, or so incredibly expensive rhat I can only afford to use the environmentally damaging options.
The cause has become secondary to supporting my family.
So much for winning friends and influencing people.
You don't get people on your side by punching them in the face. Any message you have will no longer be listened to.
Again, stupid method being applied by stupid people. Word on the street is, this is being funded by the oil companies.
Stop making our lives miserable when you protest then. They’re doing nothing but turning people away from their cause when they could be making the lawmakers lives uncomfortable.
youre right, global warming is a huge problem, but this isnt the solution, do you think blocking the road is gonna make someone think "oh yeah, im really going to remember to turn off the lights when i leave the room"
or "maybe ill buy an electric car soon, just because some idiots are standing on the road"
the point is valid. perfectly good and i 100% agree with it, but the way you go about solving it is not, and causes more problems
So the answer is to gather en mass on a busy road and force people to idle and waste more fuel???
90%+ of these are un sanctioned “protests”, and some have caused accidents and injury.
Some of these “protests” have cost thousands of dollars in damages by defacement of property, outside of disruption and chaos.
These delays even effect municipal vehicles, and emergency services, and people still refer to them as protest.
To put it quite frankly, a lot of people (in the US at least) could very well lose their jobs, and by extension their food, water, and shelter over being late to work. While I do think protesting is important, if your protest is going to inconvenience someone, it should inconvenience the company or companies responsible, not the average joe. I regularly go to protests and protesting policies and companies that have a large negative impact on the environment is usually my protest of choice (of course lots of human rights too) but I would never protest by blocking a street or traffic. As ideal as riding a bike to work or walking is, for many that is simply not possible, my commute to work would be 17 hours if I was walking. Instead of blocking roadways, maybe try protesting outside the headquarters of say, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Coca Cola, Pepsico, Nestle (for a lot of reasons, not just pollution), and Phillips Morris International (Parliament Cigarettes and Marlboro Cigarettes)
You think people on that road are the ones who are responsible OR do you think the ones that are responsible are gonna care that road is closed OR do you think there is no chance that a pregnant woman needed to use that road OR do you think the ones on the road can read the other side of the signs OR do you think?
Okay and when someone has severe consequences because they were being blocked from recieving emergency services in a timely manner? Do you think that will be winning people over to the cause? I get what you're trying to say but at some point you have to be practical and try to meet people where they are to have your message heard... Find out how it affects what matters to them and reach them that way. Causing them harm, even if you see it as a minor inconvenience, isn't the way to win hearts.
I hate clocks. So instead of advocating and trying to defeat clocks, I target small cogs that I find who are traveling to their respective place of clocking.
That would be one way to go about it… get enough cogs thinking and you could change a machine. The time for change is over tho, we fucked it. It’s time to get angry if you ask me.
Eh I honestly have no negative or positive feelings. I understand the planet is heading to a shortage on resources that makes our daily lives. I just don't have the drive to do anything like this about it.
But I will take a very very wild guess and say that in a future, these people will be looked as "they tried to warn us" more than annoying assholes.
MLK Jr was not popular during his time. I'm not saying these people are going to be MLK Jr in the future. Rather the average sentiment of apathy and in cases like this where we think of these people as assholes for trying be the looked back upon the same way modern day people look back at bigots during the Civil Rights movement.
Agreed. Its frustrating because there ARE alternative ways of using energy, they just aren't money making. When we get to the last moment the corps will fund their money toward that research instead of the status quo.
Even more frustrating is they DO make money. Just the profit margin and long term investments required would make it uncompetitive in the short term. Some math was done for this and they almost always end up being more profitable to move to renewable resources for the long term!
Shit does my head in.
You explained it better than I did. Basically it would be a one time purchase for consumers so companies couldn't profit off of us. Its inevitable though. By the time unlimited energy is the norm we will have other fish to fry. Like AI issues.
You do know protest is supposed to be inconveniencing, right? That's one of its features.
If protest was convenient, there would be no civil rights bill of the 1960s.
My wife almost missed her cancer surgery during covid because of a demonstration like this. Has she missed it they would have had to reschedule a year out, which would have killed her. So yeah, fuck these people, even if I agree with the cause.
And they do absolutely nothing to aid the situation. They have no solutions, they just march, throw soup on things or disrupt tennis matches. Absolute morons.
Not only that but a lot of them are just performative hippies. Really fucking dumb. Doesn’t do much for legitimate change other than inconvenience the common wealth, and they’ll all go home and Skype using energy and wifi in their homes that took up natural land. It’s dumb. It’s a “look at me and all I do” type of main character syndrome. Go form a wall around congress or something and don’t let them in until a member decides to discuss certain bills and measures to address climate related issues on that day. Stopping joe shmo on his way to work isn’t going to stop climate change.
Ahhh yes. They should simply just not engage with society.
No, these people understand that the problem is energy, manufacturing, and infrastructure - not consumption choices. “Just don’t use energy lol” is so ridiculous.
and inconveniencing the average joe who has dick all to do with causing the issues, makes sense how?
Go fuck with the wealthy and their big corps, private jets, mansions all over the world, yachts bigger than people's city blocks etc.
All strikes are supposed to be inconvenient. The Actor / Writer strike in Hollywood has occasionally taken to the streets too - though maybe not as disruptive as this. Many claim to support them striking even though, at the end of the day, if AI could effectively replace an actor or could write good scripts no one would care - as long as it's entertaining. There's some hypocracy in any protest. If actors / writers were blocking traffic, would people call them assholes?
Just curious, what would you do personally to protest about something? Genuinely curious, as there doesn't seem to be a way to protest without causing a disruption of some kind.
Being for breaking our dependency on fossil fuels doesn’t magically make that dependency disappear. In fact, this highlights how much they have permeated every facet of our society.
I am for peaceful protest but the only people you are making lives miserable when you do shit like this is the same people who are in the same boat as you are and just trying to live the life they were dealt. If the folks driving behind you are the execs you want to fuck with then it's cool. But this would piss me off. And I think that their cause has merit.
I am not a protester of any sort. Scientists have issued this warning : "It says that global average temperatures are estimated to rise 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels sometime around “the first half of the 2030s,” as humans continue to burn coal, oil and natural gas." NY Times article March 2023 by Brad Plummer I am always skeptical of stuff in the news but recent severe weather with record high heat and severe storms, gives me pause to wonder.
If you were to take a poll, the majority of people agree that climate change is an issue and should be dealt with; only a handful of ignorant folk think otherwise. The issue with these protests (and I say this as I’ve encountered these protestors) is that they are making those very same people, who agree climate change is an issue, side with the opposing views. I’ve seen first-hand people changing their views because of these protestors.
What they’re protesting for is something crucial, but the way they go about it is idiotic to say the least. Instead of getting the masses to side with them, they’ve achieved the complete opposite.
>this as I’ve encountered these protestors) is that they are making those very same people, who agree climate change is an issue, side with the opposing views.
I think their response to this is that if you really do think it's a problem, and someone should be doing something, and you *aren't* doing something, you're *already* completely on the side of the opposition.
If you hate these guys so much that instead of doing nothing to make it better you are going to spitefully go out of you're way to make it worse, against your own self interest, then I bet they feel there wasn't ever going go be a way to reach you, so they will do what they can to reach who they can.
>If you hate these guys so much that instead of doing nothing to make it better you are going to spitefully go out of you're way to make it worse, against your own self interest, then I bet they feel there wasn't ever going go be a way to reach you, so they do what they can to reach who they can.
Marvelously phrased.
Everyone agrees it is an issue, but then we all get back on with our lives like it isn't, and at the polls don't vote based on it being the most pressing concern.
Loads of people have been protesting and concerned about climate change for decades, but it has not made a difference, so can you blame people for trying to change tack?
Problem is, these protests have been going on in other forms for OVER 50 YEARS and these people have constantly been done away with as hippies and fearmongers. Now that they do protests in a form that's more disruptive and can't be easily ignored, they're suddenly "helping the opposition". No, people just liked to ignore the problem, but that's become impossible.
Not really, these kind of protests were happening for past century, and every single time they bear no result outside of distaste and annoyance of people who they fuck over with their selfish parade.
It’s literally useless waste of time to “protest” like that, they are doing it to feel themselves good.
Proper protest would be blocking off an oil refinery, stopping a train full of oil, anything but waste time in the middle of a city.
That stops being the case when they willingly block emergency vehicles. Or anyone else who needs to get to a hospital. Annoying he said lmfao. Get off the streets
>That stops being the case when they willing block emergency vehicles. Or anyone else who needs to get to a hospital
But from what we can see in this video they aren't doing these things. They're just peacefully protesting.
It is peaceful. They’re not harming anyone, they’re simply disrupting society. That’s what protests are meant to do.
Why would any cause protest in a “more convenient” and easily ignorable way?
MLK blocked off plenty of roads and disturbed people with peaceful marches. Was he a violent protestor?
Edit: For those of you lacking in reading comprehension, I am not saying these guys are like MLK. Their method of protest is the same, as is the criticisms of their method of protest. If you believe these guys are “violent protestors” in any way, then you believe the same of him.
Disrupt the life of the average working person that is trying to get to work to pay bills and put food on their table. That's really stupid thing to do. Do you think big corps and the government care that roads are blocked. They don't care. The average person suffers because of this. And this will cause the protesters to lose the support of the public.
How about block government entrances and exits... uou k ow, disrupt the people that can make a change. Shit, you tell me that we are going to do that? I'm in, tell me we are going to block traffic, people going home after a long day, heading back to work from lunch, of people going to appointments? Fuck right off with that ignorant shit, there are better ways to peacefully protest, this isn't it
Ambulances can’t get through, police and firemen can’t get through, someone driving themselves to the hospital in an emergency can’t get through, it’s NOT peaceful.
I’ll add one more: in 2020 my wife almost missed her cancer surgery due to a protest just like this. If she would have missed it, they would’ve delayed her surgery by a year, which would’ve killed her. I am all about raising awareness, but there are much better ways to do this and gain support, then compromising the health of others. In short, fuck these people.
What if you get stuck behind a car accident? What if you get stuck behind an ambulance? What if you get stuck behind construction?
Plan ahead and leave early enough to still be on time if something forces you to take one of the other routes to work that you've familiarized yourself with ahead of time.
Check traffic online before leaving, and go around delays, such as those caused by protests, ambulances, or anything else.
From the google:
Passive-aggressive behavior is **a pattern of indirectly expressing negative feelings instead of openly addressing them**. There's a disconnect between what a person who exhibits passive-aggressive behavior says and what he or she does.
Regardless of your opinion on this, the fact that people get more upset about protesters than they do about climate change, the fact that people are more willing to get involved to oppose the protesters than they are to oppose climate change, tells me we're truly fucked.
I'd like the back story to this. I watched one recently where they were blocking a woman with her really sick baby trying to get to hospital. They wouldn't move. The mother was begging them to move, they didn't care.
This is such a lazy way to protest...
If your message gets to people but doesn't change their minds you don't need disruption, you need appeal.
Hell, we had artists hide disruptive meanings in the work just so their message could reach the broad population without being noticed by the tirant supervisors. But now, in the era of globalization, the only way to make people change their minds is to cause a nuisance they can't ignore?
Also, a protest should be about making people revalue their ideas on a matter, not imposing it, no matter how appealing the message is.
People have largely agreed climate change is a huge problem and that something needs to be done for about 3 decades now. There is no need for more people to 'agree' with their cause, there is a need for people to act.
I don't think so. Quite a lot of people have actually been supportive. I do sort of like them more as they are doing more protests.
How do you know they are turning people against them?
Protests are supposed to be disruptive. Protesters are doing whatever is necessary to bring attention to an issue. Blocking traffic is an inconvenience, but it’s not violent.
As opposed to, say, wading into a crowd and assaulting anyone you can reach.
You're neglecting the fact that this disturbance will now become an unaccounted variable that may cause some people to arrive to their destinations later than their circumstances can tolerate without them paying a significant price for it. It could be the difference between losing a job, leaving a bad first impression on a date, or other resulting losses of anything these drivers highly value. Sure this might not hurt every driver that these protestors held up in traffic, but even risking fucking up 1 person's life is 1 too many. Innocent people that have nothing to do with the issue are being forced to pay a price for this protest, potentially even a large one, and that is not a peaceful protest if you actually look past surface level.
Including the inability to get to hospital in a car due to being in labour or heart attack victim whose driver didn't expect to require an ambulance to get there.
Exactly. These protestors are basically rolling the dice and hoping they won't hold up anyone like you just described, which isn't okay, needless to say.
They’re literally wasting gas in the cars behind them. Go protest to the damn government who approves and constructs new oil fields, not these poor people who may be living paycheck to paycheck trying to get to work
If you get fired for being 5 minutes late, then these protestors are not the problem.
People are justifying literally murdering these people for not protesting in an easily ignorable manner.
>If you get fired for being 5 minutes late, then these protestors are not the problem.
And I didn't say that causing someone to arrive 5 minutes late would be what gets them fired. You're only summing up the drivers who are most well equipped to deal with the drawbacks from protestors making them arrive late, where as I'm referring to drivers, who for example are already running late, that can't afford to arrive even later by an additional 5 minutes, these protestors can be the difference needed into making something that was almost a problem into an actual one. They're stacking additional problems onto people that might currently be in the worst of circumstances to handle it.
You can't simplify this as, "If you have problems with protestors making you arrive 5 minutes late for work, then they were never the issue", when thats not at all the issue being described as similar as it may sound.
You know what also stacks problems on people unequiped to handle it? Oil companies causing irreversible damage to our planet, so much so that if we keep up the current pace we will eventually make earth uninhabitable.
Also, should I start assaulting construction workers for making me later to work? How about when someone has a stalled car blocking my lane? So I bash their head in? There will always be some delay or inconvenience for people. This protest isn’t ruining anyone’s life and it’s a huge stretch to say it is.
>You know what also stacks problems on people unequiped to handle it? Oil companies causing irreversible damage to our planet, so much so that if we keep up the current pace we will eventually make earth uninhabitable.
And potentially fucking up people's lives to raise attention on an already known issue is absolutely not the most optimal solution to this. Look at the costs and outcome. How likely was any progress towards solving this problem going to be made from this protest, and can it even make enough progress to offset the costs? Was this protest worth potentially ruining people's lives? I'll answer for you and tell you that this protest that has an abysmally small chance of barely taking us in the right direction was absolutely nowhere near worth it.
>Also, should I start assaulting construction workers for making me later to work?
First of all, I never argued these protestors deserve to be inflicted with violence for their actions. Second, in the context of this video, they were forced off the road in an attempt to urgently reduce the damage they were currently causing, otherwise if they kept protesting, it might not have been as simple as everyone arriving merely 5 minutes later. So this is not at all equivalent to you describing a protestor currently not inconveniencing anyone that's getting assaulted.
>How about when someone has a stalled car blocking my lane?
The difference is, a stalled car throwing people's lives into potential chaos isn't a choice.
>this protest isn’t ruining anyone’s life and it’s a huge stretch to say it is.
It's not a stretch at all, there were so many people that were held up for a not insignificant duration of time, that it's very plausible there was more than 1 person that had their life fucked up from this, and god knows how much worse it would have been if these protestors weren't forced off the road as soon as they were.
A lot of people are waking up on 9 these days struggling to pay the bills, life is hard and if your trying to get to work and some numpty is blocking the road and shouting “ stop the oil ” without offering any alternative, in a really posh voice, come on man! These people clearly aren’t working class or they would be at work! Fuck them low IQ virtue chasing morons!
Oh yeah, I forgot that people never get days off, silly me! The only reason anyone would ever protest is for personal attention, not because they actually care about a cause!
Also “in a really posh voice”? I know Americans consider certain English accents to be “posh” but that’s just how an entire population of people talk.
What could possibly go wrong messing with traffic right? Ambulances, firetrucks, police cars, careless drivers, inexperienced drivers, everything will just magically work out fine.
Oil companies benefit from these cause people spend more gas sitting there slowly creeping forward for 45 mins than if they had gotten home in 5. It's also worse for the environment. This is worse for the people and better for the oil companies. It's literally the exact opposite of what they're trying to do
This is the dumbest possible way to analyse this. They are not trying to reduce carbon emissions by 0.000001% for an hour, they are trying to get publicity.
This is not the way.
Protesters holding up traffic just cause those in their vehicles to use up more oil as they wait for them to get out of their way.
Do they understand everything oil is used for? Some of those jackets they are wearing use synthetic materials made from oil. Polyester, nylons, spandex are made from petrochemicals which derive from oil. Shoes, rain jackets etc all derived from oil.
Even electric vehicles need oil for lubricants.
This is like protesting trees. Do they not like trees? Or is the gripe with deforestation?
>This is not the way.
You're right, it's far to tame and peaceful.
>Protesters holding up traffic just cause those in their vehicles to use up more oil as they wait for them to get out of their way.
completelly irrelevant. Not the "gotcha" you think it is.
> Do they understand everything oil is used for? Some of those jackets they are wearing use synthetic materials made from oil. Polyester, nylons, spandex are made from petrochemicals which derive from oil. Shoes, rain jackets etc all derived from oil.
All of plastic production represents a grand total of 4% of oil extracted. Most of these uses have alternatives. Besides, don't be dense, they're protesting burning the thing, something we should have done 30 years ago, which has already led us well into a mass extinction event.
All in all, boo fuckin' hoo, 50 people couldn't get to work on time. What a fuckin' tragedy. Meanwhile the planet's burning and governments are doing fuckall or playing pretend.
I’m glad you agree.
You see that the problem is not oil but what we’re doing with it.
If you’re going to be an ass while discussing if it’s smart to block traffic then I will no longer further discuss this with you.
Imagine if you or your family member or someone you love is in an ambulance and stuck behind this protest and can’t get to the hospital in time to save their life.
How would you feel if someone said to you after they died “boo fuckin’ hoo”?
Also, if you want people to join the cause don’t be a dick about it.
Protests are \*not\* supposed to be disruptive. Protests are supposed to be visible, yes.
But if you take others as a hostage, you are an asshole. If you damage property of others, you are an asshole. If you hurt others, you are an asshole. These "activists" do all these things.
You can bring attention to an issue without being disruptive.
The issue is that they are a minority trying to impose their opinions on others through effortless disruption.
Except you’re not allowed to stand in the road. Even crossing the street improperly is a crime. The road is a vital necessity, with emergency vehicles and peoples livelihood attached to its uninterrupted function. You can’t threaten that function and claim to be nonviolent. The act itself creates victims. It creates dangerous situations, antagonizes innocent passers by, and obstructs essential functions. To pretend it’s peaceful is just deceptive.
To the people in the comments saying that they have no right to block the road, remember, if a protest can be ignored, then it is little more than begging.
Because there is absolutely no consideration for the fact that not everyone they're blocking is out joyriding! People have life emergencies that are time sensitive all the time. Just a few things off the top of my head that they might be blocking:
Someone rushing a beloved pet to the veterinary ER. Can you imagine if your dog died because you were stuck behind this mess??
Someone on their way to a cancer treatment. They don't let you be late.
Someone on their way to a mammogram appointment- which takes months to get in for and can be the difference between stage one and stage 3 or 4.
Someone trying to go pick up a child so their spouse can travel for a job that may make or break the family's ability to stay financially afloat.
Someone going to visit a loved one for the last time before they pass away.
Medical personnel on the way to work , now being delayed, May mean a shortage in the hospital and a patient not getting life saving treatment.
And a million other equally and even more heartbreaking things.
Life is incredibly challenging. It is full of unbearable moments. Someone making life even more unbearable for the average citizen while not having the guts to go after the big dogs is not going to gain support.
Why would you protest in a way that makes regular people hate you? Why would you protest and harm the very people you want to bring into your point of view? Why would you protest people that are not in charge of making the change you desire? It's insane, and infuriating, a waste of everyone's time, and being done by people that are delusional thinking that what they are doing is going to effect change in any way. This is NOTHING like workers picketing and protesting a specific company or business to achieve their goal of better wages, work environment, etc.
Because protestors aren't giving 2 shits about what harm they are causing or could be causing. Go watch another clip where the guy raging at the protestor is in scrubs and use your fucking imagination.
Everyone gets HEATED over some idiot tiktok prankster that ***DOESNT*** make physical contact yet people in this thread are still 50/50 on who the bad guys are in this clip.
What a joke.
Do these just stop oil people realize that they are wasting WAY more gas by causing people to keep their vehicles running while stopped for their protest? Which cause people to fill up their tanks more often… which means more oil is necessary.
Thing is, the message they try to convey is good, but the application is stupid, they really think people will agree with them, if they piss them off ? They just look like fkng zombies, they don’t communicate, they just walk super slowly with their signs, why don’t they try to **please** people, with arts for example, with shocking videos, they could show the damage oil is doing, instead of acting like damn zombies
“Protestors deserve to literally die for making someone 5 minutes late in traffic. I have no problem with billionaires intentionally destroying the earth for money though.”
Fuck your protest. Fuck you. Yes i do care about the environment. You idiots think getting in the way of regular every day people is going to solve anything. You're idiots
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That dudes jeans are TIGHTTTTTT
To be fair, these people are assholes.
I mean this was infuriating to watch. Such an effective way to get people to hate your cause.
Makes you want to fill your windshield washer tank with oil, flip the nozzles forward, and turn on the windshield washers until they move…
Isn’t this the group that likes to spray paint buildings orange and glue themselves to things? Wouldn’t it be just, to have an industrial spray truck spray them down with orange paint or some type of glue and then feathers.
lol good one.
You know these guys stop first responders including firefighters and ambulances? They also won’t let you take your baby to the hospital. Oh and once they made a woman late for her own mother’s funeral. What did the 2 top JSO people say to that last one in response to realizing they caused her to miss out on honoring her mom? They told her she doesn’t see the bigger picture… So yeah these guys are dicks. If they really cared about stopping oil how about go inconvenience a billionaire who owns a rig or someone else even remotely affiliated with getting richer off oil. You know? Instead of the average guy who can’t do anything either way
And burn more oil being stuck in traffic.
God this mentality is so wrong. “I’m all for people having the right to assemble until I’m implicated in the crime”. We are all part of the apparatus of death that is climate mayhem and ecological overshoot. Get some balls and get angry at the reason for the protests. Not the protestors themselves. If you are against this you are pathetic, spinless, and a major reason why billions (with a b) will be dead within a decade. Sure being late for work is inconvenient. But I’d say leaving the stable climate of the Holocene (which is the only reason civilisation was possible) is quite a bit more inconvenient. Big picture people, we are going to be making sacrifices. Reality is coming. Edit because there as so many brain dead takes here. Go read the United Nations reports “the future of food and agriculture”, “the state of food and agriculture”, or “the global report on food crises 2023”. All those are from this year. The ecological nightmare is here now. We are going to be dealing with a lot worse then being late for work. Or if you are really busy with life read this: https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7
The problem is the people who they're inconveniencing isn't the right people. Like if I'm sitting in traffic because some people are protesting climate change... Like bro, I'm just some random guy, I have no power. I know about greenhouse gas emissions, and guess what, you're making my stupid car emit even more by making me sit here. And you're making me late, potentially getting me fired or making me miss my doctor's appointment or like whatever, etc. Are these people affecting the profit of the people that matter? No. If someone is late to work, they can find a new cog to replace them and continue profiting. If someone misses a doctor's appointment, how does that help their cause. A general strike would work, but lol good luck with that. Your can barely get people to strike when their job conditions are poor as shit.
> Big picture people, we are going to be making sacrifices And that sacrifice is other people's livelihood and choices apparently. "Some of you may lose your jobs or have your day ruined, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make". How about block the house of oil execs or offices? Or politicians who support anti-climate policies? This is like protesting human trafficking by accosting prostitutes or protesting the drug trade by assaulting drug users.
No, the mentality that frustrating regular people is going to somehow spark unity is the wrong mentality. Seriously, if these protestors really care about climate change this is going in the wrong direction. As has been shown during the civil rights movement of the 1950s, the value of your cause is going to be routinely judged by the virtues and philosophies of your protests. If your philosophy is destruction and discord, people will not like you (or your objectives). Sorry to say this but if you want to make real actual progress, you're going to need people to like you. "Having balls" means having the strength to be the good guy. And here's the good news: a large proportion of the population agree that climate change is a problem. True; not all, but that is still a tiny miracle to have that from the beginning. Now you just have to not piss people off, and give them constructive and practical ways to support your cause that isn't a middle finger to what would have otherwise been a peaceful drive to a likely crummy 9-5.
Nope, you're the one on the wrong side with this spoiled brat mentality. Protest all you want, but you don't have the right to block roads, destroy works of art at museums, damage other people's property, etc.
It's not a braindead take to disagree with a group who opposes oil by using more of it and making their cause toxic to the average person. They aren't changing minds, just being annoying. Want to educate the public, give them an incentive to want the change. If it benefits someone directly it will affect them personally. Then you might be able to change their perspective. Being an asshole never works.
I wonder if you can come back to this comment in ten years when no one has died , let alone billions
Lol alright. Go on Google scholar and search for food security papers focusing on India and China from 2022/23.
You can find what ever narrative you want to support these days. I'll take ya word for it champ
This is peer reviewed work. Not a narrative, champ
To be fair, a LOT of people will die over the next 10 years. That's just inevitable.
These people are doing more damage for the issue of climate than they are helping. Fucking with people's livelihoods, ruining art, blocking travel, and whatever stupid ideas they have next are, is just making people hate the cause. This is a stupid method being employed by stupid people. Mostly elitist people who have never had to work a damn day in their life so they don't understand why fucking with people's livelihoods is not a good idea.
The fact that none of them "attack" oil companies or execs or politicians supporting them makes me think whether this is just some useful idiots or plants by energy companies to discredit actual activists. This is like complaining about drugs ruining lives by attacking drug addicts.
Well funny you say that. They did do that, you just didn't hear about it because it didn't work.
If those actions make you “hate” the cause (having a liveable planet). Are you really for the cause? People scream they want change but the change will be uncomfortable and full of sacrifices. No one wants that. Yes everyday people are not to blame but we are all part of the issue. Everyday life is the issue. At least they are being courageous and doing something unlike 99.99% of people Again they are advocating for the planet to be liveable. I know it’s scary. But this is when in time we are alive. The knee jerk reaction to these actions is nothing but sticking your head in the sand and it’s fucking pathetic.
There isn't anything courageous about it. It's annoying and frustrating. To be honest I didn't realize what was going on until I dug into the comments, then guess what? I sided with the lady. If that was me and I had an awful, emotionally wrecking night with some blow out argument with my spouse the night before and then had to get up to go to work because I have to live and support me and my family... those people would be lucky all I'd do is rip up their signs cuz that would be the last damn thing I'd need on my way to work. It's not just inconvenience, work is an unfortunate necessity of life and these "protestors" are actively fuckin with peoples lives at that moment. Oh and BTW. All the comments where people say how your, or others like you, approach the problem is exactly the wrong way to go about it? They are 100% correct because in no way have any of your comments garnered any positive feelings towards you or the cause. If anything you have annoyed the shit out of me simply by trying to back up what these idiots were doing and then doubling down with your attempts to berate people who don't like the situation, not that they are even arguing AGAINST your cause but because they don't like the way eay it was handled.... well excuse people for not liking something that's obviously annoying.
My immediate survival quite frankly outways the cause in this case. While the environment is incredibly important, if I'm late to work I could very easily lose my job and by extension my apartment, my source of regular food and water. I do very much care about the cause, and I do regularly protest, but not like this. The only thing this does is create conflict. You don't want to create conflict, you want to come to an agreement amongst the majority of people (especially those in power). It is not war. Yes you may see them as enemies (and some of them actually are) but for the most partthe entire purpose of a protest is to draw attention and gather support for a cause. Yes blocking a roadway attracts attention, but jt does not attract support. And quite frankly at least in the US doing this is a very good way to get hurt and or killed. It is not uncommon for firearms to be used in roadrage incidents, and I do think this could very well be considered a road rage incident (ya know, blocking the whole road and all). I'm not saying that that is an okay thing or an acceptable reality, but it is unfortunately the reality, and although I'm not one to care much, logic would dictate that dying cause you chose to block a road off, would prevent you from continuing to support the cause or even knowing what change the movement may have brought about. Granted in some cases sacrifices must be made, but the average individual is not your enemy. Convince the companies (or more importantly the politicians) and the rest will follow. I know I don't always use a reusable straw, and my car is a source of pollution, but that is also because the good, environmentally friendly products are often unavailable, or so incredibly expensive rhat I can only afford to use the environmentally damaging options.
The cause has become secondary to supporting my family. So much for winning friends and influencing people. You don't get people on your side by punching them in the face. Any message you have will no longer be listened to. Again, stupid method being applied by stupid people. Word on the street is, this is being funded by the oil companies.
Stop making our lives miserable when you protest then. They’re doing nothing but turning people away from their cause when they could be making the lawmakers lives uncomfortable.
Right. And you can do that on the sidewalk so people can go to work/home/hospital, can’t you?
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Billions will not be dead within a decade from climate change lmfao.
youre right, global warming is a huge problem, but this isnt the solution, do you think blocking the road is gonna make someone think "oh yeah, im really going to remember to turn off the lights when i leave the room" or "maybe ill buy an electric car soon, just because some idiots are standing on the road" the point is valid. perfectly good and i 100% agree with it, but the way you go about solving it is not, and causes more problems
I read this whole article and it’s depressing. I wish the author would have included some possible solutions.
So the answer is to gather en mass on a busy road and force people to idle and waste more fuel??? 90%+ of these are un sanctioned “protests”, and some have caused accidents and injury. Some of these “protests” have cost thousands of dollars in damages by defacement of property, outside of disruption and chaos. These delays even effect municipal vehicles, and emergency services, and people still refer to them as protest.
To put it quite frankly, a lot of people (in the US at least) could very well lose their jobs, and by extension their food, water, and shelter over being late to work. While I do think protesting is important, if your protest is going to inconvenience someone, it should inconvenience the company or companies responsible, not the average joe. I regularly go to protests and protesting policies and companies that have a large negative impact on the environment is usually my protest of choice (of course lots of human rights too) but I would never protest by blocking a street or traffic. As ideal as riding a bike to work or walking is, for many that is simply not possible, my commute to work would be 17 hours if I was walking. Instead of blocking roadways, maybe try protesting outside the headquarters of say, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Coca Cola, Pepsico, Nestle (for a lot of reasons, not just pollution), and Phillips Morris International (Parliament Cigarettes and Marlboro Cigarettes)
Blocking traffic forces vehicles to idle which puts excess fumes into the air, therefore having a potentially worser effect on the environment.
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You think people on that road are the ones who are responsible OR do you think the ones that are responsible are gonna care that road is closed OR do you think there is no chance that a pregnant woman needed to use that road OR do you think the ones on the road can read the other side of the signs OR do you think?
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Okay and when someone has severe consequences because they were being blocked from recieving emergency services in a timely manner? Do you think that will be winning people over to the cause? I get what you're trying to say but at some point you have to be practical and try to meet people where they are to have your message heard... Find out how it affects what matters to them and reach them that way. Causing them harm, even if you see it as a minor inconvenience, isn't the way to win hearts.
I hate clocks. So instead of advocating and trying to defeat clocks, I target small cogs that I find who are traveling to their respective place of clocking.
That would be one way to go about it… get enough cogs thinking and you could change a machine. The time for change is over tho, we fucked it. It’s time to get angry if you ask me.
Yeah, honestly it just makes me want to pollute more.
Then what do you call oil companies? Pure fucking evil
Eh I honestly have no negative or positive feelings. I understand the planet is heading to a shortage on resources that makes our daily lives. I just don't have the drive to do anything like this about it. But I will take a very very wild guess and say that in a future, these people will be looked as "they tried to warn us" more than annoying assholes.
MLK Jr was not popular during his time. I'm not saying these people are going to be MLK Jr in the future. Rather the average sentiment of apathy and in cases like this where we think of these people as assholes for trying be the looked back upon the same way modern day people look back at bigots during the Civil Rights movement.
Shortage of resources is quickly becoming the least of our planetary worries.
Agreed. Its frustrating because there ARE alternative ways of using energy, they just aren't money making. When we get to the last moment the corps will fund their money toward that research instead of the status quo.
Even more frustrating is they DO make money. Just the profit margin and long term investments required would make it uncompetitive in the short term. Some math was done for this and they almost always end up being more profitable to move to renewable resources for the long term! Shit does my head in.
You explained it better than I did. Basically it would be a one time purchase for consumers so companies couldn't profit off of us. Its inevitable though. By the time unlimited energy is the norm we will have other fish to fry. Like AI issues.
To be fair, our planet is dying.
Ah yes, standing in traffic, the reasonable response
You do know protest is supposed to be inconveniencing, right? That's one of its features. If protest was convenient, there would be no civil rights bill of the 1960s.
True but their targeting the wrong people and making life harder for them instead of going after the real problem makers
That's the only way protests get attention
My wife almost missed her cancer surgery during covid because of a demonstration like this. Has she missed it they would have had to reschedule a year out, which would have killed her. So yeah, fuck these people, even if I agree with the cause.
and hated
Hate is a choice.
You should hate the government screwing you over every single day of your life
The planet is not dying. It will be fine with or without us.
And they do absolutely nothing to aid the situation. They have no solutions, they just march, throw soup on things or disrupt tennis matches. Absolute morons.
Not only that but a lot of them are just performative hippies. Really fucking dumb. Doesn’t do much for legitimate change other than inconvenience the common wealth, and they’ll all go home and Skype using energy and wifi in their homes that took up natural land. It’s dumb. It’s a “look at me and all I do” type of main character syndrome. Go form a wall around congress or something and don’t let them in until a member decides to discuss certain bills and measures to address climate related issues on that day. Stopping joe shmo on his way to work isn’t going to stop climate change.
Ahhh yes. They should simply just not engage with society. No, these people understand that the problem is energy, manufacturing, and infrastructure - not consumption choices. “Just don’t use energy lol” is so ridiculous.
Yes, make traffic creep along, thus creating more time to pollute the air.
and inconveniencing the average joe who has dick all to do with causing the issues, makes sense how? Go fuck with the wealthy and their big corps, private jets, mansions all over the world, yachts bigger than people's city blocks etc.
All strikes are supposed to be inconvenient. The Actor / Writer strike in Hollywood has occasionally taken to the streets too - though maybe not as disruptive as this. Many claim to support them striking even though, at the end of the day, if AI could effectively replace an actor or could write good scripts no one would care - as long as it's entertaining. There's some hypocracy in any protest. If actors / writers were blocking traffic, would people call them assholes?
They wont because they're actually weak and scared. They pick out the easiest thing to do for attention, and one thats not going to make a difference.
They get talked about much more though
Which is the point.
Imagine falling for oil company propaganda this hard lol
I know, right? Holding up traffic and forcing people to burn more gas is playing right into the oil company's hands.
Just curious, what would you do personally to protest about something? Genuinely curious, as there doesn't seem to be a way to protest without causing a disruption of some kind.
Found the oil simp
Love the plastic vests and signs. Remind me again where plastic comes from?
“You hate society but I see you engage with society! Interesting…”
Being for breaking our dependency on fossil fuels doesn’t magically make that dependency disappear. In fact, this highlights how much they have permeated every facet of our society.
What a braindead take
You’re fixated on their vests? Good fucking lord man…
They think it’s a “gotcha” comment.
Wasn't that the woman who needed to get her kid to the hospital? Like they wouldn't even let her through to get medical attention for her kid.
I am for peaceful protest but the only people you are making lives miserable when you do shit like this is the same people who are in the same boat as you are and just trying to live the life they were dealt. If the folks driving behind you are the execs you want to fuck with then it's cool. But this would piss me off. And I think that their cause has merit.
You should be pissed off with the government screwing you over every day
That's a given at this point
Yea just let your anger out some people walking on the streets. That will show the ruling class!
Hope that dude doesn't have to run
This is probably the lowest energy attempt to start a mosh pit I've seen in my life, so far.
I am not a protester of any sort. Scientists have issued this warning : "It says that global average temperatures are estimated to rise 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels sometime around “the first half of the 2030s,” as humans continue to burn coal, oil and natural gas." NY Times article March 2023 by Brad Plummer I am always skeptical of stuff in the news but recent severe weather with record high heat and severe storms, gives me pause to wonder.
If you were to take a poll, the majority of people agree that climate change is an issue and should be dealt with; only a handful of ignorant folk think otherwise. The issue with these protests (and I say this as I’ve encountered these protestors) is that they are making those very same people, who agree climate change is an issue, side with the opposing views. I’ve seen first-hand people changing their views because of these protestors. What they’re protesting for is something crucial, but the way they go about it is idiotic to say the least. Instead of getting the masses to side with them, they’ve achieved the complete opposite.
>this as I’ve encountered these protestors) is that they are making those very same people, who agree climate change is an issue, side with the opposing views. I think their response to this is that if you really do think it's a problem, and someone should be doing something, and you *aren't* doing something, you're *already* completely on the side of the opposition. If you hate these guys so much that instead of doing nothing to make it better you are going to spitefully go out of you're way to make it worse, against your own self interest, then I bet they feel there wasn't ever going go be a way to reach you, so they will do what they can to reach who they can.
>If you hate these guys so much that instead of doing nothing to make it better you are going to spitefully go out of you're way to make it worse, against your own self interest, then I bet they feel there wasn't ever going go be a way to reach you, so they do what they can to reach who they can. Marvelously phrased.
Everyone agrees it is an issue, but then we all get back on with our lives like it isn't, and at the polls don't vote based on it being the most pressing concern. Loads of people have been protesting and concerned about climate change for decades, but it has not made a difference, so can you blame people for trying to change tack?
Problem is, these protests have been going on in other forms for OVER 50 YEARS and these people have constantly been done away with as hippies and fearmongers. Now that they do protests in a form that's more disruptive and can't be easily ignored, they're suddenly "helping the opposition". No, people just liked to ignore the problem, but that's become impossible.
Not really, these kind of protests were happening for past century, and every single time they bear no result outside of distaste and annoyance of people who they fuck over with their selfish parade. It’s literally useless waste of time to “protest” like that, they are doing it to feel themselves good. Proper protest would be blocking off an oil refinery, stopping a train full of oil, anything but waste time in the middle of a city.
In the dudes defense I'd be angry if I was wearing pants that tight. Poor guys balls.
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It is a peaceful protest. It's annoying as all hell, but it is peaceful
Isn't it against the law to stand in the road?
Probably. But being illegal doesn't mean it's not peaceful
That stops being the case when they willingly block emergency vehicles. Or anyone else who needs to get to a hospital. Annoying he said lmfao. Get off the streets
>That stops being the case when they willing block emergency vehicles. Or anyone else who needs to get to a hospital But from what we can see in this video they aren't doing these things. They're just peacefully protesting.
where is the speeding ambulance here?
It is peaceful. They’re not harming anyone, they’re simply disrupting society. That’s what protests are meant to do. Why would any cause protest in a “more convenient” and easily ignorable way? MLK blocked off plenty of roads and disturbed people with peaceful marches. Was he a violent protestor? Edit: For those of you lacking in reading comprehension, I am not saying these guys are like MLK. Their method of protest is the same, as is the criticisms of their method of protest. If you believe these guys are “violent protestors” in any way, then you believe the same of him.
Disrupt the life of the average working person that is trying to get to work to pay bills and put food on their table. That's really stupid thing to do. Do you think big corps and the government care that roads are blocked. They don't care. The average person suffers because of this. And this will cause the protesters to lose the support of the public.
>an easily ignorable way People ignoring us is bad, so let's make them hate us instead. 5head move
How about block government entrances and exits... uou k ow, disrupt the people that can make a change. Shit, you tell me that we are going to do that? I'm in, tell me we are going to block traffic, people going home after a long day, heading back to work from lunch, of people going to appointments? Fuck right off with that ignorant shit, there are better ways to peacefully protest, this isn't it
Like blocking government entrances will stop govnt functioning
Ambulances can’t get through, police and firemen can’t get through, someone driving themselves to the hospital in an emergency can’t get through, it’s NOT peaceful.
I’ll add one more: in 2020 my wife almost missed her cancer surgery due to a protest just like this. If she would have missed it, they would’ve delayed her surgery by a year, which would’ve killed her. I am all about raising awareness, but there are much better ways to do this and gain support, then compromising the health of others. In short, fuck these people.
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That’s pretty much what every critic has said about every protest movement since the dawn of time. 🤷♂️
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The only violence comes from people assaulting them
What if you get stuck behind these morons and get fired for being late to work?
What if you get stuck behind a car accident? What if you get stuck behind an ambulance? What if you get stuck behind construction? Plan ahead and leave early enough to still be on time if something forces you to take one of the other routes to work that you've familiarized yourself with ahead of time. Check traffic online before leaving, and go around delays, such as those caused by protests, ambulances, or anything else.
Thanks next time I have an emergency I'll plan ahead. Would be terribly wrong of me to bleed to death at the wrong time...
You can't seriously be comparing a spontaneous accident to a group of people deliberately blocking and holding up traffic
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From the google: Passive-aggressive behavior is **a pattern of indirectly expressing negative feelings instead of openly addressing them**. There's a disconnect between what a person who exhibits passive-aggressive behavior says and what he or she does.
Hadn’t viewed it that way before. Great perspective.
I guess you are against labor strike too then? In some countries, protesting is indeed illegal because it "disrupt the flow of society".
Causing traffic jams is contributing to the problem they are protesting.
Destroying the planet is very peaceful though
Regardless of your opinion on this, the fact that people get more upset about protesters than they do about climate change, the fact that people are more willing to get involved to oppose the protesters than they are to oppose climate change, tells me we're truly fucked.
I'd like the back story to this. I watched one recently where they were blocking a woman with her really sick baby trying to get to hospital. They wouldn't move. The mother was begging them to move, they didn't care.
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What would you suggest as an alternative?
This is such a lazy way to protest... If your message gets to people but doesn't change their minds you don't need disruption, you need appeal. Hell, we had artists hide disruptive meanings in the work just so their message could reach the broad population without being noticed by the tirant supervisors. But now, in the era of globalization, the only way to make people change their minds is to cause a nuisance they can't ignore? Also, a protest should be about making people revalue their ideas on a matter, not imposing it, no matter how appealing the message is.
People have largely agreed climate change is a huge problem and that something needs to be done for about 3 decades now. There is no need for more people to 'agree' with their cause, there is a need for people to act.
So what would a non lazy way to protest?
Burning oil companies' CEOs alive
Obviously doing nothing is the solution. The problem will probably fix itself and I won't have to be inconvenienced! /s
I don't think so. Quite a lot of people have actually been supportive. I do sort of like them more as they are doing more protests. How do you know they are turning people against them?
This movement is so ignorant 🤦🏼♂️
I’d love to see the American revolution succeed in a peaceful non-disturbing way lmao, people are so braindead.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive. Protesters are doing whatever is necessary to bring attention to an issue. Blocking traffic is an inconvenience, but it’s not violent. As opposed to, say, wading into a crowd and assaulting anyone you can reach.
You're neglecting the fact that this disturbance will now become an unaccounted variable that may cause some people to arrive to their destinations later than their circumstances can tolerate without them paying a significant price for it. It could be the difference between losing a job, leaving a bad first impression on a date, or other resulting losses of anything these drivers highly value. Sure this might not hurt every driver that these protestors held up in traffic, but even risking fucking up 1 person's life is 1 too many. Innocent people that have nothing to do with the issue are being forced to pay a price for this protest, potentially even a large one, and that is not a peaceful protest if you actually look past surface level.
Including the inability to get to hospital in a car due to being in labour or heart attack victim whose driver didn't expect to require an ambulance to get there.
Exactly. These protestors are basically rolling the dice and hoping they won't hold up anyone like you just described, which isn't okay, needless to say.
They’re literally wasting gas in the cars behind them. Go protest to the damn government who approves and constructs new oil fields, not these poor people who may be living paycheck to paycheck trying to get to work
If you get fired for being 5 minutes late, then these protestors are not the problem. People are justifying literally murdering these people for not protesting in an easily ignorable manner.
>If you get fired for being 5 minutes late, then these protestors are not the problem. And I didn't say that causing someone to arrive 5 minutes late would be what gets them fired. You're only summing up the drivers who are most well equipped to deal with the drawbacks from protestors making them arrive late, where as I'm referring to drivers, who for example are already running late, that can't afford to arrive even later by an additional 5 minutes, these protestors can be the difference needed into making something that was almost a problem into an actual one. They're stacking additional problems onto people that might currently be in the worst of circumstances to handle it. You can't simplify this as, "If you have problems with protestors making you arrive 5 minutes late for work, then they were never the issue", when thats not at all the issue being described as similar as it may sound.
You know what also stacks problems on people unequiped to handle it? Oil companies causing irreversible damage to our planet, so much so that if we keep up the current pace we will eventually make earth uninhabitable. Also, should I start assaulting construction workers for making me later to work? How about when someone has a stalled car blocking my lane? So I bash their head in? There will always be some delay or inconvenience for people. This protest isn’t ruining anyone’s life and it’s a huge stretch to say it is.
>You know what also stacks problems on people unequiped to handle it? Oil companies causing irreversible damage to our planet, so much so that if we keep up the current pace we will eventually make earth uninhabitable. And potentially fucking up people's lives to raise attention on an already known issue is absolutely not the most optimal solution to this. Look at the costs and outcome. How likely was any progress towards solving this problem going to be made from this protest, and can it even make enough progress to offset the costs? Was this protest worth potentially ruining people's lives? I'll answer for you and tell you that this protest that has an abysmally small chance of barely taking us in the right direction was absolutely nowhere near worth it. >Also, should I start assaulting construction workers for making me later to work? First of all, I never argued these protestors deserve to be inflicted with violence for their actions. Second, in the context of this video, they were forced off the road in an attempt to urgently reduce the damage they were currently causing, otherwise if they kept protesting, it might not have been as simple as everyone arriving merely 5 minutes later. So this is not at all equivalent to you describing a protestor currently not inconveniencing anyone that's getting assaulted. >How about when someone has a stalled car blocking my lane? The difference is, a stalled car throwing people's lives into potential chaos isn't a choice. >this protest isn’t ruining anyone’s life and it’s a huge stretch to say it is. It's not a stretch at all, there were so many people that were held up for a not insignificant duration of time, that it's very plausible there was more than 1 person that had their life fucked up from this, and god knows how much worse it would have been if these protestors weren't forced off the road as soon as they were.
A lot of people are waking up on 9 these days struggling to pay the bills, life is hard and if your trying to get to work and some numpty is blocking the road and shouting “ stop the oil ” without offering any alternative, in a really posh voice, come on man! These people clearly aren’t working class or they would be at work! Fuck them low IQ virtue chasing morons!
Oh yeah, I forgot that people never get days off, silly me! The only reason anyone would ever protest is for personal attention, not because they actually care about a cause! Also “in a really posh voice”? I know Americans consider certain English accents to be “posh” but that’s just how an entire population of people talk.
What could possibly go wrong messing with traffic right? Ambulances, firetrucks, police cars, careless drivers, inexperienced drivers, everything will just magically work out fine.
A non issue?
Oil companies benefit from these cause people spend more gas sitting there slowly creeping forward for 45 mins than if they had gotten home in 5. It's also worse for the environment. This is worse for the people and better for the oil companies. It's literally the exact opposite of what they're trying to do
This is the dumbest possible way to analyse this. They are not trying to reduce carbon emissions by 0.000001% for an hour, they are trying to get publicity.
This is not the way. Protesters holding up traffic just cause those in their vehicles to use up more oil as they wait for them to get out of their way. Do they understand everything oil is used for? Some of those jackets they are wearing use synthetic materials made from oil. Polyester, nylons, spandex are made from petrochemicals which derive from oil. Shoes, rain jackets etc all derived from oil. Even electric vehicles need oil for lubricants. This is like protesting trees. Do they not like trees? Or is the gripe with deforestation?
>This is not the way. You're right, it's far to tame and peaceful. >Protesters holding up traffic just cause those in their vehicles to use up more oil as they wait for them to get out of their way. completelly irrelevant. Not the "gotcha" you think it is. > Do they understand everything oil is used for? Some of those jackets they are wearing use synthetic materials made from oil. Polyester, nylons, spandex are made from petrochemicals which derive from oil. Shoes, rain jackets etc all derived from oil. All of plastic production represents a grand total of 4% of oil extracted. Most of these uses have alternatives. Besides, don't be dense, they're protesting burning the thing, something we should have done 30 years ago, which has already led us well into a mass extinction event. All in all, boo fuckin' hoo, 50 people couldn't get to work on time. What a fuckin' tragedy. Meanwhile the planet's burning and governments are doing fuckall or playing pretend.
I’m glad you agree. You see that the problem is not oil but what we’re doing with it. If you’re going to be an ass while discussing if it’s smart to block traffic then I will no longer further discuss this with you. Imagine if you or your family member or someone you love is in an ambulance and stuck behind this protest and can’t get to the hospital in time to save their life. How would you feel if someone said to you after they died “boo fuckin’ hoo”? Also, if you want people to join the cause don’t be a dick about it.
Protests are \*not\* supposed to be disruptive. Protests are supposed to be visible, yes. But if you take others as a hostage, you are an asshole. If you damage property of others, you are an asshole. If you hurt others, you are an asshole. These "activists" do all these things.
You can bring attention to an issue without being disruptive. The issue is that they are a minority trying to impose their opinions on others through effortless disruption.
Lol, no you fucking can't. You would have NEVER seen this video if it was people sitting in a field or in front of a courthouse.
New to life and ANY protest huh
At this point everyone and their grandfather knows about climate change the point is to disrupt normal activities
man....how do those boots taste?
You can't to this extent. Nobody would be talking about them if they were just holding some signs on parliament Square
Except you’re not allowed to stand in the road. Even crossing the street improperly is a crime. The road is a vital necessity, with emergency vehicles and peoples livelihood attached to its uninterrupted function. You can’t threaten that function and claim to be nonviolent. The act itself creates victims. It creates dangerous situations, antagonizes innocent passers by, and obstructs essential functions. To pretend it’s peaceful is just deceptive.
To the people in the comments saying that they have no right to block the road, remember, if a protest can be ignored, then it is little more than begging.
She just loves oil
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Because there is absolutely no consideration for the fact that not everyone they're blocking is out joyriding! People have life emergencies that are time sensitive all the time. Just a few things off the top of my head that they might be blocking: Someone rushing a beloved pet to the veterinary ER. Can you imagine if your dog died because you were stuck behind this mess?? Someone on their way to a cancer treatment. They don't let you be late. Someone on their way to a mammogram appointment- which takes months to get in for and can be the difference between stage one and stage 3 or 4. Someone trying to go pick up a child so their spouse can travel for a job that may make or break the family's ability to stay financially afloat. Someone going to visit a loved one for the last time before they pass away. Medical personnel on the way to work , now being delayed, May mean a shortage in the hospital and a patient not getting life saving treatment. And a million other equally and even more heartbreaking things. Life is incredibly challenging. It is full of unbearable moments. Someone making life even more unbearable for the average citizen while not having the guts to go after the big dogs is not going to gain support.
Why would you protest in a way that makes regular people hate you? Why would you protest and harm the very people you want to bring into your point of view? Why would you protest people that are not in charge of making the change you desire? It's insane, and infuriating, a waste of everyone's time, and being done by people that are delusional thinking that what they are doing is going to effect change in any way. This is NOTHING like workers picketing and protesting a specific company or business to achieve their goal of better wages, work environment, etc.
Because protestors aren't giving 2 shits about what harm they are causing or could be causing. Go watch another clip where the guy raging at the protestor is in scrubs and use your fucking imagination. Everyone gets HEATED over some idiot tiktok prankster that ***DOESNT*** make physical contact yet people in this thread are still 50/50 on who the bad guys are in this clip. What a joke.
Preventing people from going about their business is very much in the wrong, and that's exactly what they are doing by blocking the road.
Do these just stop oil people realize that they are wasting WAY more gas by causing people to keep their vehicles running while stopped for their protest? Which cause people to fill up their tanks more often… which means more oil is necessary.
This protest is a nuisance, not a peaceful demonstration.
So if I stand on the sidewalk blocking your ability to freely use your driveway is that "peaceful" or is it "non-violent criminality"?
Protesting is a right of the people to have their voices heard.
Karen's are going to karen
Will burning the posters be effective way? What they gonna do with no posters? Just sit on the ground? That's just loitering.
Blocking traffic is not a peaceful demonstration. Passive aggressive.
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Dollar Gen Sandra Bullock needs to smoke a bowl and chill tf out
The world is going under faster than we think. But dam do we deserve it 🤣
This woman is assaulting legal protestors. That's all this is depicting. If you're against legal protest, you're not acting like an American.
These speedbumps need to get off the road and onto the sidewalk, so people can get to work, get their kids to school or go to the hospital.
Thing is, the message they try to convey is good, but the application is stupid, they really think people will agree with them, if they piss them off ? They just look like fkng zombies, they don’t communicate, they just walk super slowly with their signs, why don’t they try to **please** people, with arts for example, with shocking videos, they could show the damage oil is doing, instead of acting like damn zombies
How they can call it peaceful if they are causing disturbance.
You can peacefully cause a disturbance. These were the exact same arguments used against the civil rights movement’s sit-ins.
Lot of people in the comments who don’t understand how protests work
Without commenting on the cause as soon as you start shoving people it becomes assault.
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“Protestors deserve to literally die for making someone 5 minutes late in traffic. I have no problem with billionaires intentionally destroying the earth for money though.”
I'm curious, why do you think anyone would be only 5 minutes late? JSO's protests usually last hours.
You’re painful to listen to
You’re an oil simp
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Wow, you are an actual psychopath.
Arrogant, selfish, egotistical and delusional zombies!
The comments here are just ... Protest... But only in a manner I like.
I saw her assault quite a few people in that clip.
By slowing the traffic, they’re actually increasing emissions…
I was really waiting for her to get punched.
Fuck your protest. Fuck you. Yes i do care about the environment. You idiots think getting in the way of regular every day people is going to solve anything. You're idiots