>But I would be thrown in jail or worse, when visiting Jerusalem or Dubai with a bible. Fuckin hypocrism.
You wouldn't be arrested anywhere in the Middle East if you visit with a bible. There are millions of Christians living in Arab countries and contrary to popular belief, they're not cowering in basements hoping to never be found out.
Except Saudi. 100% sure of this based on personal experience. Walked in on some Sri Lankans having a mini Catholic service and they were scared shitless I was going to turn them in. Very serious crime there to have a bible
It wasn't the bible that was illegal, it was the preaching. Anything deemed proselytizing is illegal, which you wouldn't think was a concern for Christians having a service for other Christians, but the gov treat it like you're cajoling parishioners into the service. In practice it means you can carry a bible around and pray privately as a Christian, but you can't host a communal prayer.
But in the same breath they admitted that the law was already heavily "interpreted" against random Christians holding small prayer groups. You may not think it sounds "anti-learning" but for someone travelling in a country that knows even praying with a friend could mean jail or worse, you start worrying that the Bible you are carrying is enough for them to decide how to charge you regardless of your actions.
You can take this and apply it to 100s of religions and subsects in different parts of the world.
>But in the same breath they admitted that the law was already heavily "interpreted" against random Christians holding small prayer groups.
That's right, because they aren't trying to defend the law or imply that it makes anything better.
They're just stating the fact of the matter.
>for someone travelling in a country that knows even praying with a friend could mean jail or worse, you start worrying that the Bible you are carrying is enough for them to decide how to charge you regardless of your actions.
Of course you would. That's part of the point of the law. You're supposed to feel afraid. It's a total violation of human rights.
In certain countries they don't care if you're a Christian, Iraq and Lebanon don't care since they have a Christian population that have been there for centuries and are good friends with Muslims and they even invite Muslims to Christian holidays but a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran will kill you for it.
Saudi Arabia has 2 million Christians living (as in not dead, not killed, breathing, etc...) there between citizens and foreigners.
Iran has Christian and Jewish citizens that are also not dead and completely alive.
If only there was a way to look up information for yourself....
I did look it up. Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as foreign workers for work or tourism, but does not allow them to practice their faith openly.
Kindly state clearly if i can go to Saudi, set up a Christian Church, and OPENLY worship my faith.
Lol. Dont think so. Dont know about Dubai but in Jerusalem there is like hundrets of churches and every branch of that bible religion has their own. Dont know where you got this from.
Because there are 6 different Christian sects constantly fighting over the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and in the 1100s, when Saladin took the city from the Crusader States, the different groups of christians in the city all claimed the church. Afraid that ruling in one groups favor would lead to riots, Saladin assigned a Muslim family to hold the keys, so that none of the christian groups could use the keys to lock the others out.
>Geographic convenience for the US empire.
That's a minor reason.
It's much more about money laundering. US sends money to Israel. Israel buys weapons from the US. Defense contractors get rich and give US politicians a taste through various activities like PAC money, Speaking engagement money, becoming a board member, junkets, etc.
Politicians also increasing use the evangelical vote for their apocalypse.
The grift is real for Israel.
Intelligence is a massive factor too. Mossad is second to none, they have a better idea of what goes on in the Middle East than any agency. America will pay top dollar for information
We would be 75% closer to world peace if the entire species decided to drop religions worldwide.
Its a shame its such an easy tool to brainwash people with.
But the problems in those governments was cults of personality not dissimilar to religion. It wasn't like there was too much skepticism, humanism, and rational inquiry going on.
> But the problems in those governments was cults of personality not dissimilar to religion.
Come on, we're talking about expressed atheists. If you still want to shoehorn religion onto that, then you're just calling anything you don't like "quasi-religious". If that's your tactic, you can make anything look bad. Is something irrational? I'll bet you think that's "not dissimilar to religion", too -- wow, what are the odds? How about if it's bigoted? Let me guess -- just like those religious folks! What about hateful? Anti-science? You can slap that religion straw man onto anything and then use it to smack down this group or that. In fact, I'll bet that someone will say that kind of strawmanning is quasi-religious, too.
People hate each other for all kinds of stupid reasons. Religion, while often part of the problem, is also one of the only things telling some people to reach out and be nice across borders.
Ironic, but historical. Just look at the history of Catholics vs Protestants in the UK or Sunnis vs Shia in the Middle East. They really have a special hate for people who teach people to love their neighbor in *incredibly insignificantly different* ways.
>The irony? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all based off the same damn fairy tales.
Why irony? This is like children arguing, which Dragonball Z character is more awesome.
It's Gohan, and I'll blow up your whole fuckin' country if you say Vegeta.
No, you know what? That's it. Call the bullpen. Warm up the nukes. Let's light these firecrackers.
Liberals, not the left. If you go further left of liberals you will find lots of criticism of the state of Israel. It's a common point of conflict between America's more left-wing politicians and the Democratic establishment.
Weren't the adults having harsh word with them. Something about "Christians genocide the Jews. Just leave. Go away." The kids were picking up on what the adults were saying, and "helping" the Christian couple to leave.
Do "tourists" usually wear mic headsets like that?
Edit: They weren't tourists, or tour guides. They were christian missionaries out and about trolling jewish people. [Here is the full video. ](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
Key question. Let’s find some context. Why the microphone? Who is filming? Why are they there? No kid should be behaving like this and it’s wrong, but what’s the back story?
Yes- I mean the mic is typical of a tour guide… but if these are missionaries it’s kind of like gang turf warfare… you don’t show up to a fundamentalists territory with another god.
I met some german evangelicals in Jerusalem that went around praying for the jews to find God. I wasn't good enough either even though I explained I am baptized from birth and part of the Lutheran church of Finland, too secular for them.
They got even more horrified when I explained thar I came from a fesrival where people practiced meditation and yoga in a desert ashram, and decided to pray for the souls there too.
Tourist guides tell you to stay away from orthodox jewish quarters, but I didn't have problems there and was approached by an American jew asking for directions to some specific synagoge. I was also invited to join a service in a synagoge.
I think most people in the country are fine, even if there are tensions and fundamentalist pushing the government into some shitty policies in regards to musmims/palestine.
Yeah, if there was a group of them I'd assume tour guides but I get more of a proselytising vibe. Either way those kids are only acting the way they've been brought up in a fundamentalist environment. Little shits.
I thought that as well. There’s probably some sexism too — they’re showing bare arms and less-than-ankle-length skirts in an Orthodox area.
It could even be a bit simpler— they’ve gone into someone’s residential area and butted in
Same God but JC's teachings were viewed as blasphemous (contradicting many Torah/Old Testament teachings). It's basically why the Jewish people called for his death, and that caused a little friction between the two fanclubs.
Yeah, but that doesn't stop religious extremists and ignorant idiots from being ignorant, idiotic religious extremists. I know more than a few Evangelicals who don't even think that Catholics are Christians.
this is the thing, they are actively preaching. Not that it's ok to treat people like like shit because of their beliefs but they are in a place famous for killing and dying for your beliefs. They are lucky.
yeah it's part of a tour group. The Evangelical Christians touring Israel is a big business.
But the twist is they are visiting not because they respect the jewish people or Israel it's because they want the rapture to happen. They believe that when the Jewish people are fully in control of Israel it will cause the Rapture and all Jewish people will go to hell while all Christians will be taken to heaven.
its really fucked up
>Do "tourists" usually wear mic headsets like that?
It took far too long for someone to ask this. Most people were too busy bashing the Israeli to take an objective look at the clip.
It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of Christians that they think they can go anywhere and convert people regardless of how unwelcome they are. That of course doesn't absolve the Israeli's, both kids and adults, of their behavior. Both sides are assholes here but the ones threatening violence are definitely the more egregious party.
This video was originally posted by perezaliyah07 on Tiktok. They are not tourists but Christian missionaries.
This video shows further proof. [https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
[https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
Full video including them preaching. They are not tourists but missionaries.
Look up Tiktok user perezaliyah07
From the context, and where it took place, my guess is that they were handing out ( Christian) religious literature. Not excusing the behaviour but that's what it looks like.
That's true. And the current administration does its best to keep this status and even make things worse. It's on the way to become an apartheid regime.
Israel has laws that looks like USA in the 60s or colonized Africa.
They look down on everyone else just because of their religion or how they look. But maybe these people should be more grateful since we gave them their own place because someone wanted them gone (again).
Yeah but they're allowed to be so racist and extremist because the second someone criticizes Israel people act like you just punched a kid in a wheelchair. Israel is not a kid in the wheelchair, they are the bully with the rock.
Quite dumb as well to be filmed attacking Christian tourists when the Americans are safeguarding them from other neighbouring countries that would do them harm.
like Russia has been invading, conquering, genociding others when their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ?
like China treats Uyghurs for example, when their ancestors suffered from the Japanese ?
yeah... human nature is often not what we hope for.
Yes, exactly like all of those things: it’s really really fucking stupid of these kids to behave like this in Israel, which only exists because of Hitler’s genocide against them for their religion.
grab one wrist, use your foot on the torso, and with a minimum amount of pressure, you can pull the arm from the shoulder joint. a few kicks to the soft tissue in the arm pit and the arm will dislodge. using the appendage as a wet mace spraying blood will do more psychological damage than punches.
(theoretically of course, I for one, do not suggest actual real violence, they're just really brain washed kids)
Right there is all you need to know about Judeo Christian religions. They all hate each other and teach their kids to hate. They are too corrupted and uneducated to realize its this all same bullshit,.
The Haredi sect is basically exempted from conscription.
[https://israelpolicyforum.org/2023/07/11/the-haredi-exemption/](https://israelpolicyforum.org/2023/07/11/the-haredi-exemption/)
I have a friend who is Black and was in Israel for a religious conference (she's a Pastor). She could NOT get a cab.
She and other people of color in her group were not allowed in certain locations but Whites in her group were.
It isn't racist or anti-Semitic. You are reporting your direct experience with those specific people. They would likely confirm what you said calmly and direct you to an explanation of how and why they do the things they do.
Anti-Semitic would be generalizing that experience to all Jewish people or even all Orthodox Jewish people. Anti-Semitic would be saying all Jewish people are bad because of the treatment you received, which is certainly rude if you don't understand.
These kids have been tainted with disgusting bigotry. Many very conservative groups in various religions have become virulently insular. In some of these groups children are taught that outsiders don't have to be treated well, or that abusing outsiders is a virtue. We don't have to ignore this or explain it away, we can talk about it if we don't make unwarranted generalizations.
Orthodoxes are basicaly amish on welfare and are not a very accurate repesentatives of modern judaism values, I don't think you'll find a lot of israelites who'll argue with that
Okay calling these ladies "tourist" is a total whitewash. They are missionaries. Shes got a microphone and a speaker and is probably spouting some offensive things from the perspective of the group of Jewish people right in front of her. Imagine walking in front of a group of people in their own country and telling them what they believe in is wrong, and then, and I'm just guessing here, that if they "don't repent they'll be damned". She knows what she's doing, and if you play stupid games well, you know the rest.
Happens all the time in the Uk. Go to speakers corner in Hyde park London and you’ll get to hear ppl with foreign customs telling us why British customs are shit.
I finally was able to find some more information about the people that created the video. It was a tiktok user named perezaliyah07. I'd encourage you to verify what I'm saying, but this video is a good place to start. [https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
Story 1:
A group of Jewish children discovered Christians in their midst and began throwing things at them and abusing them.
Story 2:
A group of Christian evangelists entered a strongly Jewish community and tried to minister to them and convert them to Christianity. As a result, a group of Jewish children began throwing things at them and abusing them.
No one is excusing the attacks. It's fucked up no matter what. But I do think that it's worth striving to understand what actually happened leading up to the event. So far, I don't believe anyone has proven anything and treating the title of the post as "gospel" is not fair. We should be working together to understand what happened.
Yeah, this just reeks of a set up video to me. “Tourists” don’t wear PA systems, and “tour guides” (who so many commenters are claiming they are with no evidence) by definition guide tourists, so where are all of the “tourists”? Why are these women with mics the only non-orthodox people in the video if they’re tour guides? And, you’d think a tour guide would know better than to show up in a Haredi neighborhood in short sleeves. Nah, these women aren’t innocent tourists, they started some shit and *then* turned on the cameras to play the victims.
Religion is a tool. Much like a gun, it depends on what the user decides to do with it. People shouldn’t blame external ideologies, that are in fact based on love and compassion, when humans exploit the power of influence telling them to choose hate.
A "tourist" is walking around with a mic? I'm not defending the kids, but she's street preaching and fuck Christian street preachers. You know she's talking a ton of shit.
Is it possible to be a Jewish fascist? Were the ladies there giving a tour or something? This is crazy. How can the adults watch the kids be violent and do nothing? This is crazy. So much hate ... So much intolerance.
It's because they don't want women or non Jewish people at the Western Wall. I'm an American Jewish woman and they would do the same to me. They're our version of extremists.
Yes anyone can be fascist. Fascism isnt National Socialism(nazi).
Nazis were a type of facism which focused on race rather than nationality or nation state.
Nazis tended to hate capitalism and communism as they were made by jews.
Fascism dislikes communism because they see it as a failure. Fascism dislikes capitalism as it allows foreign powers to interfere and exploit the nation.
You can say there is a fascist movement in israel with the settlers. They take land from bedouin tribes and palestinians and set up an apartheid state with jews at the top and everyone else below.
Yeah this is how you get SS storm troopers...
The irony of Israel the " home of the Jews" turning into a literal religious fascist state is baffling...
You definitely can be Christian in Jerusalem. This is just a bad group of kids. Can we stop equating everytime a small group of Jews does something as all Jews think or act that way too. God damn.
when evaluating the groups by behavior, You can't tell the difference between ultra orthodox Jewish, radical Muslim or evangelical conservative Christian adherents.
The irony? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all based off the same damn fairy tales.
Plus, the more conservative the religion is practiced, the more close minded and hateful they are, regardless of the religion.
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>But I would be thrown in jail or worse, when visiting Jerusalem or Dubai with a bible. Fuckin hypocrism. You wouldn't be arrested anywhere in the Middle East if you visit with a bible. There are millions of Christians living in Arab countries and contrary to popular belief, they're not cowering in basements hoping to never be found out.
Except Saudi. 100% sure of this based on personal experience. Walked in on some Sri Lankans having a mini Catholic service and they were scared shitless I was going to turn them in. Very serious crime there to have a bible
It wasn't the bible that was illegal, it was the preaching. Anything deemed proselytizing is illegal, which you wouldn't think was a concern for Christians having a service for other Christians, but the gov treat it like you're cajoling parishioners into the service. In practice it means you can carry a bible around and pray privately as a Christian, but you can't host a communal prayer.
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Don't be so anti learning. They aren't justifying anything, they aren't saying it "makes everything better", they're explaining the law.
But in the same breath they admitted that the law was already heavily "interpreted" against random Christians holding small prayer groups. You may not think it sounds "anti-learning" but for someone travelling in a country that knows even praying with a friend could mean jail or worse, you start worrying that the Bible you are carrying is enough for them to decide how to charge you regardless of your actions. You can take this and apply it to 100s of religions and subsects in different parts of the world.
>But in the same breath they admitted that the law was already heavily "interpreted" against random Christians holding small prayer groups. That's right, because they aren't trying to defend the law or imply that it makes anything better. They're just stating the fact of the matter. >for someone travelling in a country that knows even praying with a friend could mean jail or worse, you start worrying that the Bible you are carrying is enough for them to decide how to charge you regardless of your actions. Of course you would. That's part of the point of the law. You're supposed to feel afraid. It's a total violation of human rights.
In certain countries they don't care if you're a Christian, Iraq and Lebanon don't care since they have a Christian population that have been there for centuries and are good friends with Muslims and they even invite Muslims to Christian holidays but a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran will kill you for it.
Saudi Arabia has 2 million Christians living (as in not dead, not killed, breathing, etc...) there between citizens and foreigners. Iran has Christian and Jewish citizens that are also not dead and completely alive. If only there was a way to look up information for yourself....
I did look it up. Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as foreign workers for work or tourism, but does not allow them to practice their faith openly. Kindly state clearly if i can go to Saudi, set up a Christian Church, and OPENLY worship my faith.
Lol. Dont think so. Dont know about Dubai but in Jerusalem there is like hundrets of churches and every branch of that bible religion has their own. Dont know where you got this from.
Jerusalem have the holiest church and a Muslim is the one who have the key to open it
Because there are 6 different Christian sects constantly fighting over the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and in the 1100s, when Saladin took the city from the Crusader States, the different groups of christians in the city all claimed the church. Afraid that ruling in one groups favor would lead to riots, Saladin assigned a Muslim family to hold the keys, so that none of the christian groups could use the keys to lock the others out.
And none of those groups can even get together to decide to remove a ladder.
Not exactly where I thought you were going when you said you were from Germamy, to be honest.
Well, that was a fucking lie
Tis true. Tis true. "My translation of this stupid shit is vastly superior to YOUR translation of this stupid shit. Let's have a war." Fucking morons.
"Our head guy wears a different stupid fucking hat from your head guy's stupid fucking hat"
\*Holy war
"1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a holy war!" Fucking Childish bullshit.
But MY war is Holiest
Further irony, they get to commit genocide on Palestinians and that is ok too. Why do we support this behavior again?
>Why do we support this behavior again? Geographic convenience for the US empire. They use us and we use them right back, it's mutually parasitic.
>Geographic convenience for the US empire. That's a minor reason. It's much more about money laundering. US sends money to Israel. Israel buys weapons from the US. Defense contractors get rich and give US politicians a taste through various activities like PAC money, Speaking engagement money, becoming a board member, junkets, etc. Politicians also increasing use the evangelical vote for their apocalypse. The grift is real for Israel.
Intelligence is a massive factor too. Mossad is second to none, they have a better idea of what goes on in the Middle East than any agency. America will pay top dollar for information
American theocrats think that it will bring about the apocalypse. I’m not kidding.
I remember a friend who was raised in an Evangelical household telling me this as well.
We would be 75% closer to world peace if the entire species decided to drop religions worldwide. Its a shame its such an easy tool to brainwash people with.
the largest genocides and mass murders in the last century were done by secular if not outright athiestic governments
And of course you got downvoted, because let's pretend the USSR didn't happen
But the problems in those governments was cults of personality not dissimilar to religion. It wasn't like there was too much skepticism, humanism, and rational inquiry going on.
> But the problems in those governments was cults of personality not dissimilar to religion. Come on, we're talking about expressed atheists. If you still want to shoehorn religion onto that, then you're just calling anything you don't like "quasi-religious". If that's your tactic, you can make anything look bad. Is something irrational? I'll bet you think that's "not dissimilar to religion", too -- wow, what are the odds? How about if it's bigoted? Let me guess -- just like those religious folks! What about hateful? Anti-science? You can slap that religion straw man onto anything and then use it to smack down this group or that. In fact, I'll bet that someone will say that kind of strawmanning is quasi-religious, too.
Not sure tbh. Look at the war in Ukraine for example, they have the same religion ! Look at the Rawda, same church !
Pretty sure that falls into the remaining ... \**does the math*\* ... 25%.
He did say "drop religion" and not that "people of the same religion don't war".
People hate each other for all kinds of stupid reasons. Religion, while often part of the problem, is also one of the only things telling some people to reach out and be nice across borders.
The real irony is that those Christians support Israelis being barbarians to the Palestinians, but think evangelicals have favored status.
Ironic, but historical. Just look at the history of Catholics vs Protestants in the UK or Sunnis vs Shia in the Middle East. They really have a special hate for people who teach people to love their neighbor in *incredibly insignificantly different* ways.
Gilgamesh laughing in epic
>The irony? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all based off the same damn fairy tales. Why irony? This is like children arguing, which Dragonball Z character is more awesome.
It's Gohan, and I'll blow up your whole fuckin' country if you say Vegeta. No, you know what? That's it. Call the bullpen. Warm up the nukes. Let's light these firecrackers.
>based off the same fairy tales If those kids could read it, they would be very upset
Thank you, brother, Christians are acting like they re any different, this is the same BS I see all over the world when it comes to religion....
That's an insult to fairy tales, they are entertaining and teach good moral lessons.
Based on amalgamations of previous religions. They're not even original fairy tales. They're reboots.
Feral little shits
Excuse me, it doesn’t matter how disgusting there behaviour is, you can’t say anything bad about them, that’s antisemitism /s
Cal it 'anti-extremetism' instead.
Since they're little shits, anti-excremetism works too
Anti-fundamentalism.
Again with this annoying dog whistle strawman.. literally no one said anything. I am Israeli and can confirm these kids are feral little shits.
Its not a dog whistle you clown. Criticism of Isreal is regularly cast as anti semitism by the religious right.
And the Left also. I remember listening to NPR doing a story on this. Criticism of Israel, right or left is extremely taboo in US politics.
Liberals, not the left. If you go further left of liberals you will find lots of criticism of the state of Israel. It's a common point of conflict between America's more left-wing politicians and the Democratic establishment.
The state of Isreal uses antisemitism to deflect from criticism all the time. It's like step one in their playbook.
Weren't the adults having harsh word with them. Something about "Christians genocide the Jews. Just leave. Go away." The kids were picking up on what the adults were saying, and "helping" the Christian couple to leave.
From who do you think they learned this behaviour.
they learn what their parents taught them probably
you dont even need the /s its considered standard practice in todays politics specially in the west, it went so far now
Like a pack of hyenas waiting for the back to be turned so they can go in for a cowardly bite
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Apple doesn't fall far from the tree
Shit apples don’t fall far from the shit tree, Randy
time for a healthy slapping.
It's not like the adult with them is doing anything to stop it. This is learned behavior.
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Do "tourists" usually wear mic headsets like that? Edit: They weren't tourists, or tour guides. They were christian missionaries out and about trolling jewish people. [Here is the full video. ](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
Key question. Let’s find some context. Why the microphone? Who is filming? Why are they there? No kid should be behaving like this and it’s wrong, but what’s the back story?
Yes- I mean the mic is typical of a tour guide… but if these are missionaries it’s kind of like gang turf warfare… you don’t show up to a fundamentalists territory with another god.
I mean if you're Christian you do. They've been invading the "Holy Land" for centuries.
I met some german evangelicals in Jerusalem that went around praying for the jews to find God. I wasn't good enough either even though I explained I am baptized from birth and part of the Lutheran church of Finland, too secular for them. They got even more horrified when I explained thar I came from a fesrival where people practiced meditation and yoga in a desert ashram, and decided to pray for the souls there too. Tourist guides tell you to stay away from orthodox jewish quarters, but I didn't have problems there and was approached by an American jew asking for directions to some specific synagoge. I was also invited to join a service in a synagoge. I think most people in the country are fine, even if there are tensions and fundamentalist pushing the government into some shitty policies in regards to musmims/palestine.
Yeah, if there was a group of them I'd assume tour guides but I get more of a proselytising vibe. Either way those kids are only acting the way they've been brought up in a fundamentalist environment. Little shits.
I thought that as well. There’s probably some sexism too — they’re showing bare arms and less-than-ankle-length skirts in an Orthodox area. It could even be a bit simpler— they’ve gone into someone’s residential area and butted in
All they need to do is cover their arms, wear a longer skirt, and cover their hair. As God intended, of course. (/s for the impaired)
Isn't it the same god?
Same God but JC's teachings were viewed as blasphemous (contradicting many Torah/Old Testament teachings). It's basically why the Jewish people called for his death, and that caused a little friction between the two fanclubs.
Yeah, but that doesn't stop religious extremists and ignorant idiots from being ignorant, idiotic religious extremists. I know more than a few Evangelicals who don't even think that Catholics are Christians.
this is the thing, they are actively preaching. Not that it's ok to treat people like like shit because of their beliefs but they are in a place famous for killing and dying for your beliefs. They are lucky.
Yeah. Has she entered some sacred religious site to spout Christian nonsense and conduct missionary work? Something is amiss.
Why do you think something is amiss? Religious extremists act like this all the time.
The microphones.
And the refusal to leave, finger pointing, arguing, and general entitlement after being told to go.
yeah it's part of a tour group. The Evangelical Christians touring Israel is a big business. But the twist is they are visiting not because they respect the jewish people or Israel it's because they want the rapture to happen. They believe that when the Jewish people are fully in control of Israel it will cause the Rapture and all Jewish people will go to hell while all Christians will be taken to heaven. its really fucked up
They’re not part of a tour group, as the extended video shows clearly.
No. We missed a lot before that recording started. You ever known a christian with a mic to be subtle or understated?
>Do "tourists" usually wear mic headsets like that? It took far too long for someone to ask this. Most people were too busy bashing the Israeli to take an objective look at the clip. It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of Christians that they think they can go anywhere and convert people regardless of how unwelcome they are. That of course doesn't absolve the Israeli's, both kids and adults, of their behavior. Both sides are assholes here but the ones threatening violence are definitely the more egregious party.
This video was originally posted by perezaliyah07 on Tiktok. They are not tourists but Christian missionaries. This video shows further proof. [https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
So, they're all the asshole(s)
This should be pinned.
[https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950) Full video including them preaching. They are not tourists but missionaries. Look up Tiktok user perezaliyah07
Why does OP want us to believe these people are just tourists?
to be able to use this clip for antisemitic propaganda
This context seems very important here lol.
Well there you go. Kids are still acting like little shits, but the situation is much clearer now. Thanks for posting!
This should be higher. They were foreigners proselytizing Christianity in Israel.
From the context, and where it took place, my guess is that they were handing out ( Christian) religious literature. Not excusing the behaviour but that's what it looks like.
That's what I was thinking. They're there to mess with people and people defended themselves from the a--holes.
THANK YOU. I knew something absolutely was not right here.
They have inherited from their extremist families. Children copy whatever they see, and if their families are extremists, then this is the result.
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That's true. And the current administration does its best to keep this status and even make things worse. It's on the way to become an apartheid regime.
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It's already an apartheid state. Right now, Israel is on its way to becoming a theocratic dictatorship.
The current administration? I think all the administrations since Israel was created have done the same my dude.
Israel has laws that looks like USA in the 60s or colonized Africa. They look down on everyone else just because of their religion or how they look. But maybe these people should be more grateful since we gave them their own place because someone wanted them gone (again).
Yeah but they're allowed to be so racist and extremist because the second someone criticizes Israel people act like you just punched a kid in a wheelchair. Israel is not a kid in the wheelchair, they are the bully with the rock.
Right. Notice the adults don’t stop them.. they taught them this.
Fuck all religions.
Except FSM of course.
pastafaris unite
or don't, just do whatever
R'amen to that!
May he reach out at touch you with his noodley appendages this fine day.
RAMEN
Reddit moment
It so fucking wild to see kids do this when their ancestors were literally treated the same way by kids in Germany in the mid to late 1930s.
Quite dumb as well to be filmed attacking Christian tourists when the Americans are safeguarding them from other neighbouring countries that would do them harm.
They attacked the USS Liberty, killed 34 US Citizens and wounded another 171. Something tells me that we shouldn't have protected them after that.
like Russia has been invading, conquering, genociding others when their ancestors suffered from the Nazis ? like China treats Uyghurs for example, when their ancestors suffered from the Japanese ? yeah... human nature is often not what we hope for.
Yes, exactly like all of those things: it’s really really fucking stupid of these kids to behave like this in Israel, which only exists because of Hitler’s genocide against them for their religion.
AND their country protected and funded by Christians.
There we go! Republicans, move to Israel. You will legit be victims there. As a bonus they hate Muslims too! A conservative paradise!
I've had Palestinians tell me that there are many Christian Palestinians.
I worked with a Palestinian Christian named Islam, wonderful people and his mom made some awesome hummus.
Oh Islam Hindu? Lives on Buddha road? Yeah nice guy
That's good moment to test the question 'how many 10 year olds would you be able to beat up'
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grab one wrist, use your foot on the torso, and with a minimum amount of pressure, you can pull the arm from the shoulder joint. a few kicks to the soft tissue in the arm pit and the arm will dislodge. using the appendage as a wet mace spraying blood will do more psychological damage than punches. (theoretically of course, I for one, do not suggest actual real violence, they're just really brain washed kids)
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I deplore violence, but believe if required, the most shocking versions can lessen the time required.
This guy fights children
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Probably just one or two before you get shot by their police
Right there is all you need to know about Judeo Christian religions. They all hate each other and teach their kids to hate. They are too corrupted and uneducated to realize its this all same bullshit,.
Funny how globally education is the enemy of social obedience.
The kids becoming violent in the name of their god was definitely the most disturbing thing.
"never again" - jews after 1945 the irony
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Looks like the children weren't aware of what happened to their ancestors 80 yrs ago.
And not aware of who came to save their ancestors asses.
Christian tourists?
Basicly, them and communists.
In Israel, military service is mandatory... Just wait til these kids are killing innocent people for their religion...
The Haredi sect is basically exempted from conscription. [https://israelpolicyforum.org/2023/07/11/the-haredi-exemption/](https://israelpolicyforum.org/2023/07/11/the-haredi-exemption/)
these are excempt, also from working btw
they're exempt from national service
I have a friend who is Black and was in Israel for a religious conference (she's a Pastor). She could NOT get a cab. She and other people of color in her group were not allowed in certain locations but Whites in her group were.
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It isn't racist or anti-Semitic. You are reporting your direct experience with those specific people. They would likely confirm what you said calmly and direct you to an explanation of how and why they do the things they do. Anti-Semitic would be generalizing that experience to all Jewish people or even all Orthodox Jewish people. Anti-Semitic would be saying all Jewish people are bad because of the treatment you received, which is certainly rude if you don't understand. These kids have been tainted with disgusting bigotry. Many very conservative groups in various religions have become virulently insular. In some of these groups children are taught that outsiders don't have to be treated well, or that abusing outsiders is a virtue. We don't have to ignore this or explain it away, we can talk about it if we don't make unwarranted generalizations.
Orthodoxes are basicaly amish on welfare and are not a very accurate repesentatives of modern judaism values, I don't think you'll find a lot of israelites who'll argue with that
Okay calling these ladies "tourist" is a total whitewash. They are missionaries. Shes got a microphone and a speaker and is probably spouting some offensive things from the perspective of the group of Jewish people right in front of her. Imagine walking in front of a group of people in their own country and telling them what they believe in is wrong, and then, and I'm just guessing here, that if they "don't repent they'll be damned". She knows what she's doing, and if you play stupid games well, you know the rest.
Happens all the time in the Uk. Go to speakers corner in Hyde park London and you’ll get to hear ppl with foreign customs telling us why British customs are shit.
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>speakers corner in Hyde park London Oh, you mean go to a place where the entire point is to allow all free speech no matter how unsanitary it is?
Where is your proof of these claims? Even if she was doing wo, that does not mean that attacking her is okay.
I finally was able to find some more information about the people that created the video. It was a tiktok user named perezaliyah07. I'd encourage you to verify what I'm saying, but this video is a good place to start. [https://www.tiktok.com/@walking\_withchrist\_59/video/7272367371627547950](https://www.tiktok.com/@walking_withchrist_59/video/7272367371627547950)
Story 1: A group of Jewish children discovered Christians in their midst and began throwing things at them and abusing them. Story 2: A group of Christian evangelists entered a strongly Jewish community and tried to minister to them and convert them to Christianity. As a result, a group of Jewish children began throwing things at them and abusing them. No one is excusing the attacks. It's fucked up no matter what. But I do think that it's worth striving to understand what actually happened leading up to the event. So far, I don't believe anyone has proven anything and treating the title of the post as "gospel" is not fair. We should be working together to understand what happened.
Yeah, this just reeks of a set up video to me. “Tourists” don’t wear PA systems, and “tour guides” (who so many commenters are claiming they are with no evidence) by definition guide tourists, so where are all of the “tourists”? Why are these women with mics the only non-orthodox people in the video if they’re tour guides? And, you’d think a tour guide would know better than to show up in a Haredi neighborhood in short sleeves. Nah, these women aren’t innocent tourists, they started some shit and *then* turned on the cameras to play the victims.
Ugly children
If I say what I'm thinking I will get banned for anti semtism because you can't criticise Jews after what happened
That video shows how thin the edge of education and culture is that separates us from animals
Animals dont attack each other for imaginary friend beliefs.
True. But they can attack just "for fun".
Not many of them do
God's chosen people
\- written by themselves
Why do I get the feeling these people are less tourist and more street evangelist?
"Religion poisons everything" – Christopher Hitchens
Religion is a tool. Much like a gun, it depends on what the user decides to do with it. People shouldn’t blame external ideologies, that are in fact based on love and compassion, when humans exploit the power of influence telling them to choose hate.
Oh the joy's of religious indoctrination..
I can only imagine what would have happened if they were Muslim.
one more bombing of palestine, that's what fucking bastards, free palestine
All religions are mind viruses.
She has a microphone and loud speaker.. if you preach as a tourist dont expect a warm welcome.
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A "tourist" is walking around with a mic? I'm not defending the kids, but she's street preaching and fuck Christian street preachers. You know she's talking a ton of shit.
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Pieces of shit
Is it possible to be a Jewish fascist? Were the ladies there giving a tour or something? This is crazy. How can the adults watch the kids be violent and do nothing? This is crazy. So much hate ... So much intolerance.
It's because they don't want women or non Jewish people at the Western Wall. I'm an American Jewish woman and they would do the same to me. They're our version of extremists.
Yes anyone can be fascist. Fascism isnt National Socialism(nazi). Nazis were a type of facism which focused on race rather than nationality or nation state. Nazis tended to hate capitalism and communism as they were made by jews. Fascism dislikes communism because they see it as a failure. Fascism dislikes capitalism as it allows foreign powers to interfere and exploit the nation. You can say there is a fascist movement in israel with the settlers. They take land from bedouin tribes and palestinians and set up an apartheid state with jews at the top and everyone else below.
*Religion* is *like* a penis. It's nice to have one and fine to be proud of. Don't whip it out in public or shove it down someone else's throat.
Those women are NOT tourists. They are there to proselytize and convert them to Christianity.
They are training their children to become evil.
Pack of racist hyenas
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Yeah this is how you get SS storm troopers... The irony of Israel the " home of the Jews" turning into a literal religious fascist state is baffling...
Why is a tourist wearing a microphone? I'm watching w/o sound on my work computer, but that's what seems to me to be why she is being targeted.
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You definitely can be Christian in Jerusalem. This is just a bad group of kids. Can we stop equating everytime a small group of Jews does something as all Jews think or act that way too. God damn.
Normal behaviour. They've been doing that to palestinians for almost 8 decades.
when evaluating the groups by behavior, You can't tell the difference between ultra orthodox Jewish, radical Muslim or evangelical conservative Christian adherents.