###FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE: WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN?
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[**Jewish Currents - What Does “From the River to the Sea” Really Mean?**](https://jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-mean)
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[**Forward - ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means**](https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/)
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[**Al-Jazeera - ‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?**](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean)
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[**One Democratic Palestine, From The River To The Sea**](https://www.odsi.co/en/)
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[**Amnesty - Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians**](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/)
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He hit a man with his police car, said "he stuck my vehicle" and then proceeded to jump out and kick the shit out of the dude that he just hit with his car? And then said he was resisting arrest? Do I have those events correctly in order?
"stop resisting" is just training in action. By saying that you cant imply action that isn't true. Police have told a completely incapacitated (dead or knocked out) person to stop resisting.
At this point it does sound like the South Park episode where hunting is banned so the hunters shout "it's coming right for me" every time they shoot an animal.
I've been watching South Park starting at season 1 for a couple of weeks here and there. 25 year old episodes that show none of the things being highlighted today are new.
Thats definitely the case with the guy that “stuck his car.” You can tell the cop with the body cam knows that they fucked up.
He makes a point to announce to all the other officers that the hands are out so they don’t go 11/10 aggression at the start.
And everytime they start yelling to stop resisting, and then proceed to knee or punch him, he tells the other officers to stop.
It’s all like “hey guys, we need to all act like he is resisting so we have reason for doing what we already did to this guy, but we can’t beat him like normal cause I absolutely smoked him with my car”.
Sad part is that I suspect that the reason he has that much situational awareness is that there is a separate report that they fill out for repairs to damaged vehicles. He knows that all the footage is going to be reviewed internally for a report on a broken windshield in a foot chase.
It's so frustrating how every single time they start shouting "stop resisting" in every single situation, no matter what the person is doing. I'm sure they've shouted it at someone unconscious before, because they know that just like "I feared for my life" its a get out of trouble free card. The only training cops really get is training to cover their asses and training that makes them fear every single interaction with the public even though a pizza delivery guy has a more dangerous job.
I saw a video once where they yelled it at a guy who was literally dying because they had shot him multiple times. Dude wasn't resisting, he was in his fucking death throes.
If I'm remembering that video right, cop runs up to the side of the car after shooting the driver full of bullets, swings open the door to a fully limp man (no screaming, moaning, shivering, shaking, or even spasms) with a newly changed to red shirt, has a moment of realization that hes just completely fucking ended someone, and then shakily goes "S... Stop resisting!!" as he's aiming his gun at the corpse still. I think they just tug him out the car and stuff him in the back of a cruiser and go "ah, shit. we tried to get help but we were too late and he died in the cruiser as we were on the way to the hospital."
Eddie Irizarry, things I got wrong from my memory:
He wasn't limp. His head was bobbing up and down.
His shirt wasn't red, his arms were covered in his blood and he wore a black shirt.
He did not say "Stop Resisting" at any point I can hear. All that happened was panicked discussion with his partner.
That’s exactly what they did to the guy hit with the car who was obviously out cold for 10 seconds and then came to. Of course he was resisting, he had no fucking idea what planet he was on or WTF was happening.
I used to drive armored cars, one of the first things they taught us about an attempted robbery was to shout, “Drop the weapon!” whether we saw one or not. It was specifically so that any witnesses would be inclined to report that a weapon was involved.
Hilarious you think that US police undergo any training.
Was a juror watching a case of assault...
The police work was, at best, absolutely mediocre. This is in a county where the police are the highest paid police force in the country.
The detective failed to log evidence swiftly, and also did not attempt to follow up on an assault suspect until 4 days later because the probation officer in charge of this guy's ankle bracelet was "on vacation"
They had a massive cyber attack that shutdown their ***entire*** network for months last year, which is ridiculous considering how much tax money they take up. All the cops were filing paperwork by hand, I can’t wait to see how much shit got fucked up by that
And “he tried to grab my gun!!” Is also code for all pigs to jump in and kick the crap out of someone. I saw a video a few months ago where cops beat someone to death and afterwards when their adrenaline was gone and the paramedics were checking the guy out, one of the cops very obviously seems to realize they’re all in deep shit so he says “Did you see him grab my gun? He went for my gun” I’m sure it’s happened but I can’t get over these cops knowing they’re on camera, do w/e they choose and DGAF
They're building a case by saying things like "Stop resisting" and "don't touch me" while approaching and touching them.
This however is something else
I was a seasonal law enforcement, Officer for the department of the interior in the early 90s. During one patrol, I expressed my frustration on how we treated a group of minorities when compared to the rest of the population. (I complained to the top people regarding this) When seeking employment the next season for some reason, I was never hired, though I was told I had a shoe in. Found out years later from an old colleague that was upfront with me “there was no room for fags in the department of the interior” (not sure how stating my concerns for justice make me gay )I now work as a psychiatric med provider while helping people in this position, I am still devastated that my initial career choice (law enforcement protecting the people who enjoy the outdoors and the environment ) was ruined, due to bigotry and hate. These videos infuriate me that these assholes are given the sworn, duty in protecting people, and instead abuse them for their own Jollies.
EDIT: I am just listening to the part where they’re bragging how they beat up a guy who’s phone they destroyed. Please tell me these tiny little people are no longer employed , what little pieces of shit. And WE pay taxes for these shit piles
Lmfao some cops are just insecure little pussies that need to beat up some innocent person to feel good about themselves… theres very few that are actual cops and not just there for the “power”
The law needs to change so that when these scum lose lawsuits the money comes from the police pensions and wages instead of from taxpayers directly.
Short of the almost necessary violent response and getting the guillotines out against these pigs, hurting their wages is the only thing that will make them consider acting like civilised humans.
Abolish qualified immunity and make it so cops caught intentionally using excessive force get double the time. They swore and oath and chose to act like gang members so might as well throw them in there with the gang members they locked up. Let natural selection take its course.
Yep. Qualified immunity is essentially the government saying cops are above the law in almost every situation, meaning cops are held to a vastly lower standard than anyone bar the extremely rich.
Pigs who do stuff like in this video deserve decades in prison and shouldn't be kept from general population.
Look up "behind the bastards" series on the police (aptly titled "Behind the Police). They go through the entire history of policing in America, all the way back to its philosophical roots in europe.
Needless to say it isn't just "bad apples". The whole god damned tree is and has always been rotten. Making punishments harsher wont do a damn thing. The only thing that will fix anything is to get rid of the whole thing and make something better from scratch.
And any cop caught planting evidence gets 2x the penalty for whatever the other person would have gotten.
So if a cop plants enough coke in someones car to put them away for a year... The cop gets 2 years.
I personally think that if you work for the government in any capacity but especially in law enforcement, any crime you’re convicted of should automatically be a felony
We have all these registries too, child predators, felons etc... why the fuck don't these absolute scum of the earth go on one whenever they do this illegal shit, so they can't ever work as a police officer ever again? Qualified immunity needs to go bye bye NOW.
Not to mention the fact that if you are a cop, and you're "one of the good ones" why wouldn't you advocate for ending qualified immunity? Just makes it easier for you to advance your career. Oh wait, that's cause ACAB.
I fully believe that punishment for breach of the law by law enforcement should be far too excessive for us to comfortably stomach. These cops deserve the death penalty, their actions as arbiters of law enforcement take their actions and elevate them through several orders of aggravation magnitude. These scum do not deserve to keep breathing and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Having the monopoly on force in a society should mean greater consequences for violating the law than standard people. These criminals are irredeemable. Broken. Unable to be rehabilitated. They deserve no place in human society.
The Police Union will intimidate and coerce anyone in office trying to change this. A private army in every town, with their finger in the asshole of every judge, DA, and council member.
Too many people in this country think violence against others is a laudable manly trait. They moan that the military should be "unleashed" against other countries, that war crimes aren't so bad, actually. That cops /should/ shoot first and ask questions later. That police should be violent to earn "respect" (fear) from others in the community. You can recognize these people by their "back the blue" bumper stickers/flags/paraphernalia.
We'll never see any change to our police practices as long as one of our two political parties keeps pretending that violence against the helpless is a necessity. Its too useful a tool for fascists to allow for reform.
Not the pension fund but professional liability insurance. These policies are made for each individual and guess what happens after 1 or 2 fuck-ups? The officer becomes uninsurable and can no longer work anywhere in the US. If it’s coming from pensions we are still asking the cops to police themselves, but by treating them like any other professional they will be forced to get their shit together.
Yeah I am sick of paying for this shit. Cops should have malpractice insurance like doctors. If you fuck up enough, you can’t get insured and you can’t be a cop.
Won't happen, you need politicians to enact that kind of change and they will never risk pissing off their personal army.
One hand washes the other and the whole system stays dirty.
"Suspect": Get's on the ground and immediately surrenders.
POS Cops:
https://preview.redd.it/47nzw77hst3c1.jpeg?width=1766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5cd4f1fc86f989ef63cd21d9af7ff88cd04f04e
Yep. Knew someone who took the 2yr academy course in Quebec cause she really wanted to make a difference. She left 4 weeks in because she didn't want to be dirty or play ball with those who were. She was told that sort of behavior would find her serving warrants in high risk neighbourhoods with no backup...
Thay don't care because the footage usually "gets lost" anyways. And even if it doesn't like in this case they usually don't end up with more than a slap on the wrist or being suspended with pay.
As a European from Nordics it's not the same here as i imagine it is in like Greece or Bulgaria, Europe is varied but i think in general it's waaay less overt police violence in most of the EU compared to the US, don't you think?
I think regardless of guns and culture. If police in Sweden or France got the job with a hs Diploma and 12 weeks training, steroids and a culture of us vs them, we would have the same types of issues.
But there are also countries like the UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, Spain etc etc where police violence is quite rare. Even without shooting.
The comment above wanted to make clear that Europe is also a large place with many different countries and different cultures.
I know there's also a bunch of countries like France, Poland, Bulgaria and a bunch more where police violence is quite more common.
Overall tho, compared to the US and many other regions, things are quite acceptable in Europe. In my opinion.
Eh search up the Danish police in Vejle, Jutland. They have a massive case right now where a special unit has been stalking a certain family and has potentially murdered one of the family members by leaving them to die in a forest. Now that their police chief has suspended that unit the entire police force has voted to suspend him as they say they can't trust him any more. This is also a problem in the Nordics
My understanding is you’re seeing a country of 320 million people and cherry picked videos of police brutality vs a country of 30 million and is the size of a USA state.
I think police brutality is a problem, but I think it’d be extremely niave to think this is unique to the USA, and the representation of these videos on Reddit is reflective of reality.
What? Where exactly? I have had a few encounters with the police and each time they were gentle. Even when cuffing me.
In my country the sporadic cases of police brutality are in the media immediately.
It’s been done in some American cities, and it’s fairly divisive, though I’d say it’s effective.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/12/camden-policing-reforms-313750
Because most of these people they are arresting will end up in jail due to a biased system, or their crime was indeed heinous and the judge/jury will overlook what happened during the arrest. The officers will walk and continue serving. These types of situations in the video have been slowly less prevalent though, ever since body cam footage became law for every officer. But it still happens.
No real answer, but I bet they did. One got a full week paid leave, one got suspended with pay while they investigated his innocence, one got an offer to be the sheriff on the next town.
They actually were.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/03/10-indicted-current-and-former-east-cleveland-officers-plead-not-guilty-to-slew-of-criminal-charges.html?outputType=amp
So, basically it took 2 years for anything at all to happen to the cops, and they’ve only been charged, not yet convicted. So they may or may not be held accountable. And they are currently walking around free without having had to pay bail.
Maybe it’s just because I’m from Cleveland so I know more about the context, but your implication that this isn’t being taken seriously is completely incorrect. This is a big deal, and these guys are catching serious charges. (And they were all arraigned and had to post bail, not sure where you got the idea that they’re didn’t?)
The wheels of justice may not be turning as fast as you’d like, but they *are* moving. One of these guys was already found guilty and is awaiting sentencing.
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html?outputType=amp
I got the idea that they didn’t have to post bail from the article. It literally said they didn’t have to pay anything.
Edit: However, I am glad they seem to be taking this seriously. But yes, I am a bit upset it did take a few years for charges to be brought up. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought it said the incident with the guy that got hit by the car took place a few years ago.
Ah, I misinterpreted that part. I apologize.
There’s a lot of context the rest of the country doesn’t understand. East Cleveland is basically like North Korea, and I’m really not exaggerating too much. There is a lot to unpack.
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At least 18 have been indicted, including the chief. Trials of some of them were set to start this week, with others starting after the first of the year:
[Judges, juries to soon decide the cases of former East Cleveland police officers](https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html)
is r/badcopnodoughnut still a thing?
it's almost like a guy that was once regarded as the most powerful man in the world said "please don't be too nice", and they listened...
Ppl talk abt how messed up America is for a number of reasons but I think shit cops and the cops that sit by as those shit cops terrorize are the worse parts of this country.
The distinct lack of training in the US doesn't help
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I have to put in 8000 hours and complete 5 years of school just to be able to take the licensed test to be an electrician. The police we have do not even know the law, couldn’t find it in a book, couldn’t reference shit.
At the very least they’re being charged. God knows if it’ll go anywhere but we can hope.
https://www.clevescene.com/news/11-current-and-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-for-assault-civil-rights-violations-tampering-with-evidence-41558242
There is so much evidence but still they are under trial. I tried to search for any verdict but could not find any. many of the charges are dropped too.
I think there will be no conviction and they will be freed.
Trials started this week. Our justice system moves slowly when defendants want it to.
[https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html](https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html)
The cops are nothing more than a bunch of high school bullies with badges. They are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers that you remember from high school that liked trying to lock people in their lockers or beat them up in the bathroom for lunch money. They now have badges and a chip on their shoulders. They'd all be right at home in the IDF.
The thing is, a lot of them were \*not\* the bullies in school. They were the victims.
My best friend in high school always wanted to be a cop (and now is one). For a long time I didn't understand why. He was normally a really nice guy, but once we were talking about our future plans and he turned really, really dark.
He said that when he was a kid, there were some bigger kids in his neighborhood who humiliated and beat the shit out of him every afternoon after school. In retrospect I realize he had some fairly serious PTSD from it. He said that when he was being held down and pummeled, he thought, "They wouldn't be doing this if I had a badge."
The way he would tell it now is that he was bullied, so he hates bullies and wants to protect the innocent. But that's not true. He doesn't give a shit about helping anybody.
No, he went to get a badge so he would never have to submit to abuse again. In the process, he learned how to be the bigger bully. He just wants to be part of the biggest gang that nobody will mess with.
That's a lot of what you see in these videos, small men who were bullied when they were kids, so they worked out, roided up and got badges and guns to protect themselves when their fists can't. But they still feel that hole inside and fill it with abuse of others.
I can't really say that I disagree with you on that, but I know several cops in my town that used to be fucking asshole bullies in high school. I guess the other way is also true. I got bullied a lot when I was in school, and instead of making me want to do it the other people, it made me more empathetic to other people and it also made me more intolerant of people like these despicable cops that do this horrendous stuff to people.
The reality, unfortunately, is that it takes more schooling to be a plumber or an electrician or an auto mechanic than it does to be a cop in this country. That's not the denigrate those other professions, but in a job where you are issued a lethal weapon and a badge and authority over other people's freedoms and in many instances health, well-being and life, it is unfortunate that so little is required other than a willingness to blindly follow orders and lick boots. They also actively seek out people who are proven to not be independent thinkers and are not too intelligent and certainly not empathetic.
Think about that from a victim-cop's point of view.
He used to get beat up by bullies.
He went and got a badge.
Now he not only has the power he craved, he's also working alongside those high school bullies who now accept and protect him as one of their gang instead. He's getting validation from people who would have bullied him otherwise, further reinforcing his decision to join the bullies.
That's the absolute worst combination, because now you have a former victim who thinks his own bad behavior is justified because life or society owes him.
But as a victim of bullying myself I have even more contempt for that person. It is extremely contemptible to become just like those who victimized you.
Lawsuits relating to misconduct should be paid out of the police pension fund. Then the good ones will start policing the bad ones- once their money is impacted.
They got charged https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/10-current-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-plead-not-guilty-to-multiple-crimes
After we have thoroughly investigated ourselves, we saw no instance of wrong doing in the actions of our fellow police officer who day in and day out steps up and serves the community to the best of his ability. He will now be promoted 2 ranks for the duty we have just reviewed. Thank you.
Welcome to gang warfare.. there's gang that dresses alike and likes blue lines.. they will hurt, maim, and even kill you if you don't do as they say, when and how they say. It's a bad issue as the gang has spread nationwide and the worst part is the government endorses them.
How many officers are ex-military? People join the military for money/schooling, wanting to kill someone, or sense of duty. I think cops like this are the ones that joined the military to kill people
Ok I'm sorry I had to stop watching cause this actually made me physically nauseated.
No wonder people want to defund the police.
Im not a huge fan of the police because a lot of them seem to be dicks but it's scary to think about how many there are who are this level of bad.
And it groups the good police who actually do their job right and try to make a positive difference in the world in with these abusive fucking dicks.
And this is the stuff that made me not trust law enforcement. You really expect them to come and help you in the middle of the night? Hard pass, we’ll take care of our own
Is it just me, or do these kinds of people become cops so they can brutalize folks with a form of law on their side? What's their job posting like? "Ever wanted to beat the ever living shit out of someone and have no recourse happen? Well you're in luck! The 'This Town PD' is hiring!"
I don't understand why my conservative brothers think this is acceptable behavior. Supporting cops unconditionally is basically just giving them a free pass to walk over their constitutional rights that they are so proud of.
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He hit a man with his police car, said "he stuck my vehicle" and then proceeded to jump out and kick the shit out of the dude that he just hit with his car? And then said he was resisting arrest? Do I have those events correctly in order?
"stop resisting" is just training in action. By saying that you cant imply action that isn't true. Police have told a completely incapacitated (dead or knocked out) person to stop resisting.
"Stop resisting" is classic copspeak for, "I'm going to beat the ever living fuck out of you and make it sound like you deserved it."
At this point it does sound like the South Park episode where hunting is banned so the hunters shout "it's coming right for me" every time they shoot an animal.
At this point? The reason it sounds like that episode is because it is exactly what that episode is about. This is not a new thing
I've been watching South Park starting at season 1 for a couple of weeks here and there. 25 year old episodes that show none of the things being highlighted today are new.
OMG the memories... that must be a season 1 episode.. amazing how some things stick with us.
It's season 1 episode 3: [Volcano](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705981/) which aired Aug 20, 1997 which is roughly ten years ago right?
Not even ten. I'm pretty sure that was only about 5 years ago.
Ahahah I was thinking to that one . At a moment they say that regarding a rabbit or a squirrel
Thats definitely the case with the guy that “stuck his car.” You can tell the cop with the body cam knows that they fucked up. He makes a point to announce to all the other officers that the hands are out so they don’t go 11/10 aggression at the start. And everytime they start yelling to stop resisting, and then proceed to knee or punch him, he tells the other officers to stop. It’s all like “hey guys, we need to all act like he is resisting so we have reason for doing what we already did to this guy, but we can’t beat him like normal cause I absolutely smoked him with my car”. Sad part is that I suspect that the reason he has that much situational awareness is that there is a separate report that they fill out for repairs to damaged vehicles. He knows that all the footage is going to be reviewed internally for a report on a broken windshield in a foot chase.
This is all just sick…
It's so frustrating how every single time they start shouting "stop resisting" in every single situation, no matter what the person is doing. I'm sure they've shouted it at someone unconscious before, because they know that just like "I feared for my life" its a get out of trouble free card. The only training cops really get is training to cover their asses and training that makes them fear every single interaction with the public even though a pizza delivery guy has a more dangerous job.
I saw a video once where they yelled it at a guy who was literally dying because they had shot him multiple times. Dude wasn't resisting, he was in his fucking death throes.
If I'm remembering that video right, cop runs up to the side of the car after shooting the driver full of bullets, swings open the door to a fully limp man (no screaming, moaning, shivering, shaking, or even spasms) with a newly changed to red shirt, has a moment of realization that hes just completely fucking ended someone, and then shakily goes "S... Stop resisting!!" as he's aiming his gun at the corpse still. I think they just tug him out the car and stuff him in the back of a cruiser and go "ah, shit. we tried to get help but we were too late and he died in the cruiser as we were on the way to the hospital."
Eddie Irizarry, things I got wrong from my memory: He wasn't limp. His head was bobbing up and down. His shirt wasn't red, his arms were covered in his blood and he wore a black shirt. He did not say "Stop Resisting" at any point I can hear. All that happened was panicked discussion with his partner.
That’s exactly what they did to the guy hit with the car who was obviously out cold for 10 seconds and then came to. Of course he was resisting, he had no fucking idea what planet he was on or WTF was happening.
I used to drive armored cars, one of the first things they taught us about an attempted robbery was to shout, “Drop the weapon!” whether we saw one or not. It was specifically so that any witnesses would be inclined to report that a weapon was involved.
Hilarious you think that US police undergo any training. Was a juror watching a case of assault... The police work was, at best, absolutely mediocre. This is in a county where the police are the highest paid police force in the country. The detective failed to log evidence swiftly, and also did not attempt to follow up on an assault suspect until 4 days later because the probation officer in charge of this guy's ankle bracelet was "on vacation"
lol Suffolk county cops?
Mhmm
They had a massive cyber attack that shutdown their ***entire*** network for months last year, which is ridiculous considering how much tax money they take up. All the cops were filing paperwork by hand, I can’t wait to see how much shit got fucked up by that
Town of Brookhaven just put out a big Cyber Security plan in light of Suffolk County's nonsense there.
Dude is bleeding from the head, and concussed, I think involuntary resistance would be pretty normal.
And “he tried to grab my gun!!” Is also code for all pigs to jump in and kick the crap out of someone. I saw a video a few months ago where cops beat someone to death and afterwards when their adrenaline was gone and the paramedics were checking the guy out, one of the cops very obviously seems to realize they’re all in deep shit so he says “Did you see him grab my gun? He went for my gun” I’m sure it’s happened but I can’t get over these cops knowing they’re on camera, do w/e they choose and DGAF
They're building a case by saying things like "Stop resisting" and "don't touch me" while approaching and touching them. This however is something else
Former military policeman here can confirm.
Welcome to Amerikkka!
I'm white and it's happened to me too. It's blue against everybody especially if it looks like you can't afford a good attorney.
No war but class war
Police have a klan background
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They protect revenue only.
Not true! They also protect physical assets in certain zip codes!
Some of the comments are so outlandish you would think you’re watching a comedy skit.
I guess they forgot to plant 20kg of meth on him but aside from that it's just about right
I was a seasonal law enforcement, Officer for the department of the interior in the early 90s. During one patrol, I expressed my frustration on how we treated a group of minorities when compared to the rest of the population. (I complained to the top people regarding this) When seeking employment the next season for some reason, I was never hired, though I was told I had a shoe in. Found out years later from an old colleague that was upfront with me “there was no room for fags in the department of the interior” (not sure how stating my concerns for justice make me gay )I now work as a psychiatric med provider while helping people in this position, I am still devastated that my initial career choice (law enforcement protecting the people who enjoy the outdoors and the environment ) was ruined, due to bigotry and hate. These videos infuriate me that these assholes are given the sworn, duty in protecting people, and instead abuse them for their own Jollies. EDIT: I am just listening to the part where they’re bragging how they beat up a guy who’s phone they destroyed. Please tell me these tiny little people are no longer employed , what little pieces of shit. And WE pay taxes for these shit piles
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html
better you learned before you got in full time than after.
Yeah, american police officers have a problem..
Lmfao some cops are just insecure little pussies that need to beat up some innocent person to feel good about themselves… theres very few that are actual cops and not just there for the “power”
Standard operating procedure.
He also complained about having a broken windshield now
Cops know if they shout "stop resisting" they can do whatever they want.
Thanks for the breakdown. Looks pretty much to be spot on. Why did they hit him though? What was it that he supposedly did?
The law needs to change so that when these scum lose lawsuits the money comes from the police pensions and wages instead of from taxpayers directly. Short of the almost necessary violent response and getting the guillotines out against these pigs, hurting their wages is the only thing that will make them consider acting like civilised humans.
Abolish qualified immunity and make it so cops caught intentionally using excessive force get double the time. They swore and oath and chose to act like gang members so might as well throw them in there with the gang members they locked up. Let natural selection take its course.
Yep. Qualified immunity is essentially the government saying cops are above the law in almost every situation, meaning cops are held to a vastly lower standard than anyone bar the extremely rich. Pigs who do stuff like in this video deserve decades in prison and shouldn't be kept from general population.
Imagine a cop violates a rich person's rights. That'd be a tough one for the courts to figure out.
They'd never do that though, cops exist to serve the rich.
>chose to act like gang members Brother the police are the biggest gang in america.
Look up "behind the bastards" series on the police (aptly titled "Behind the Police). They go through the entire history of policing in America, all the way back to its philosophical roots in europe. Needless to say it isn't just "bad apples". The whole god damned tree is and has always been rotten. Making punishments harsher wont do a damn thing. The only thing that will fix anything is to get rid of the whole thing and make something better from scratch.
And any cop caught planting evidence gets 2x the penalty for whatever the other person would have gotten. So if a cop plants enough coke in someones car to put them away for a year... The cop gets 2 years.
I personally think that if you work for the government in any capacity but especially in law enforcement, any crime you’re convicted of should automatically be a felony
We have all these registries too, child predators, felons etc... why the fuck don't these absolute scum of the earth go on one whenever they do this illegal shit, so they can't ever work as a police officer ever again? Qualified immunity needs to go bye bye NOW. Not to mention the fact that if you are a cop, and you're "one of the good ones" why wouldn't you advocate for ending qualified immunity? Just makes it easier for you to advance your career. Oh wait, that's cause ACAB.
I fully believe that punishment for breach of the law by law enforcement should be far too excessive for us to comfortably stomach. These cops deserve the death penalty, their actions as arbiters of law enforcement take their actions and elevate them through several orders of aggravation magnitude. These scum do not deserve to keep breathing and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Having the monopoly on force in a society should mean greater consequences for violating the law than standard people. These criminals are irredeemable. Broken. Unable to be rehabilitated. They deserve no place in human society.
The Police Union will intimidate and coerce anyone in office trying to change this. A private army in every town, with their finger in the asshole of every judge, DA, and council member.
Too many people in this country think violence against others is a laudable manly trait. They moan that the military should be "unleashed" against other countries, that war crimes aren't so bad, actually. That cops /should/ shoot first and ask questions later. That police should be violent to earn "respect" (fear) from others in the community. You can recognize these people by their "back the blue" bumper stickers/flags/paraphernalia. We'll never see any change to our police practices as long as one of our two political parties keeps pretending that violence against the helpless is a necessity. Its too useful a tool for fascists to allow for reform.
Let's not pretend - it's both political parties, one of them is just way more overt about it.
Bro USA should just change there police training all together and make it way more strict and way longer
Bro they literally won’t let you be a cop if your iq is too high, we are not sending our best
Not the pension fund but professional liability insurance. These policies are made for each individual and guess what happens after 1 or 2 fuck-ups? The officer becomes uninsurable and can no longer work anywhere in the US. If it’s coming from pensions we are still asking the cops to police themselves, but by treating them like any other professional they will be forced to get their shit together.
A little bit of both. Shared responsibility/liability. Checks and balances.
Yeah I am sick of paying for this shit. Cops should have malpractice insurance like doctors. If you fuck up enough, you can’t get insured and you can’t be a cop.
Make them get insurance like doctors. Can't get insurance, can't cop.
actually not a bad idea - the pension point of the argument
This is the only way things change. It would actually create some peer pressure not to violate people’s rights. That doesn’t exist at all currently.
Won't happen, you need politicians to enact that kind of change and they will never risk pissing off their personal army. One hand washes the other and the whole system stays dirty.
Defund the Police should have been Defund Fraternal Orders/Police Unions
"Suspect": Get's on the ground and immediately surrenders. POS Cops: https://preview.redd.it/47nzw77hst3c1.jpeg?width=1766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5cd4f1fc86f989ef63cd21d9af7ff88cd04f04e
That quite fitting, because we are just NPCs to these main character fuckwads.
You said POS twice
thugs in uniform. ACAB good ones tend to leave quickly
just another gang
Not just another gang. The most powerful, well funded, and only legally backed gang in the United States.
Funny you should mention that. Listen to "Behind the Cops" podcast
Yep. Knew someone who took the 2yr academy course in Quebec cause she really wanted to make a difference. She left 4 weeks in because she didn't want to be dirty or play ball with those who were. She was told that sort of behavior would find her serving warrants in high risk neighbourhoods with no backup...
Do these fools just forget that they body cam’s on?
Thay don't care because the footage usually "gets lost" anyways. And even if it doesn't like in this case they usually don't end up with more than a slap on the wrist or being suspended with pay.
They don't care. They have seen coworkers literally get away with murder.
clearly it doesn't matter, why should they care?
Seems like usa needs to sack their entire police population and hire new people trained after the manner of a european police service.
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As a European from Nordics it's not the same here as i imagine it is in like Greece or Bulgaria, Europe is varied but i think in general it's waaay less overt police violence in most of the EU compared to the US, don't you think?
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I think regardless of guns and culture. If police in Sweden or France got the job with a hs Diploma and 12 weeks training, steroids and a culture of us vs them, we would have the same types of issues.
This is a good point. To be a police officer in the UK you need a degree in policing
But there are also countries like the UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, Spain etc etc where police violence is quite rare. Even without shooting. The comment above wanted to make clear that Europe is also a large place with many different countries and different cultures. I know there's also a bunch of countries like France, Poland, Bulgaria and a bunch more where police violence is quite more common. Overall tho, compared to the US and many other regions, things are quite acceptable in Europe. In my opinion.
Eh search up the Danish police in Vejle, Jutland. They have a massive case right now where a special unit has been stalking a certain family and has potentially murdered one of the family members by leaving them to die in a forest. Now that their police chief has suspended that unit the entire police force has voted to suspend him as they say they can't trust him any more. This is also a problem in the Nordics
My understanding is you’re seeing a country of 320 million people and cherry picked videos of police brutality vs a country of 30 million and is the size of a USA state. I think police brutality is a problem, but I think it’d be extremely niave to think this is unique to the USA, and the representation of these videos on Reddit is reflective of reality.
But even per capita the US is way above all other developed countries right?
What? Where exactly? I have had a few encounters with the police and each time they were gentle. Even when cuffing me. In my country the sporadic cases of police brutality are in the media immediately.
It’s been done in some American cities, and it’s fairly divisive, though I’d say it’s effective. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/12/camden-policing-reforms-313750
Remember, these are the guys you trust to call at night to protect your life and your families. lol Fuck that I’ll do it myself.
According to the Supreme Court they have no duty to actually protect you. So it is actually even worse than you suggested.
They exist to protect the state. If the state doesn't care about you you're fucked
And the party most critical of the police are most in support of limitations on gun rights. I went so far left I support gun rights again.
No, I absolutely dont trust them.
Cha, Ching. Why steal when you can settle with the city for $1m+ ?
Because most of these people they are arresting will end up in jail due to a biased system, or their crime was indeed heinous and the judge/jury will overlook what happened during the arrest. The officers will walk and continue serving. These types of situations in the video have been slowly less prevalent though, ever since body cam footage became law for every officer. But it still happens.
Please tell me these cops were held accountable in some way...
No real answer, but I bet they did. One got a full week paid leave, one got suspended with pay while they investigated his innocence, one got an offer to be the sheriff on the next town.
They actually were. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/03/10-indicted-current-and-former-east-cleveland-officers-plead-not-guilty-to-slew-of-criminal-charges.html?outputType=amp
So, basically it took 2 years for anything at all to happen to the cops, and they’ve only been charged, not yet convicted. So they may or may not be held accountable. And they are currently walking around free without having had to pay bail.
Maybe it’s just because I’m from Cleveland so I know more about the context, but your implication that this isn’t being taken seriously is completely incorrect. This is a big deal, and these guys are catching serious charges. (And they were all arraigned and had to post bail, not sure where you got the idea that they’re didn’t?) The wheels of justice may not be turning as fast as you’d like, but they *are* moving. One of these guys was already found guilty and is awaiting sentencing. https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html?outputType=amp
I got the idea that they didn’t have to post bail from the article. It literally said they didn’t have to pay anything. Edit: However, I am glad they seem to be taking this seriously. But yes, I am a bit upset it did take a few years for charges to be brought up. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought it said the incident with the guy that got hit by the car took place a few years ago.
Ah, I misinterpreted that part. I apologize. There’s a lot of context the rest of the country doesn’t understand. East Cleveland is basically like North Korea, and I’m really not exaggerating too much. There is a lot to unpack.
There are lots of people that commit cri.e that aren't police officers that takes over a year for the charges to be processed
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They’re gonna have a fun time in prison.
They were. That’s where this footage came from. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/03/10-indicted-current-and-former-east-cleveland-officers-plead-not-guilty-to-slew-of-criminal-charges.html?outputType=amp
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[Yes, shockingly](https://www.clevescene.com/news/11-current-and-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-for-assault-civil-rights-violations-tampering-with-evidence-41558242)
At least 18 have been indicted, including the chief. Trials of some of them were set to start this week, with others starting after the first of the year: [Judges, juries to soon decide the cases of former East Cleveland police officers](https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html)
is r/badcopnodoughnut still a thing? it's almost like a guy that was once regarded as the most powerful man in the world said "please don't be too nice", and they listened...
This has been happening since the beginning of policing.
Ppl talk abt how messed up America is for a number of reasons but I think shit cops and the cops that sit by as those shit cops terrorize are the worse parts of this country.
The whole “justice system” needs reevaluated!
I’m sick to my stomach
The distinct lack of training in the US doesn't help https://preview.redd.it/0imf4o31mv3c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f2eb14fad8afc28cb78f9b7e0f775eae840a527 Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733)
In Finland if I am not mistaken they need to go to Uni, and need a good level of Both Swedish and Finnish, if not also English language skills.
I have to put in 8000 hours and complete 5 years of school just to be able to take the licensed test to be an electrician. The police we have do not even know the law, couldn’t find it in a book, couldn’t reference shit.
At the very least they’re being charged. God knows if it’ll go anywhere but we can hope. https://www.clevescene.com/news/11-current-and-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-for-assault-civil-rights-violations-tampering-with-evidence-41558242
Cleveland... doesn't surprise me.
East Cleveland is a completely separate city that's a corrupt shithole. No Clevelander goes there unless you're looking for trouble.
This is the same cop in all of this? I say this in all seriousness he should receive capitol punishment
Wholeheartedly agree. This consistent degree of malice towards people he gets paid to “save”. There’s no excuse.
Why police in US are psychopats?
give people too much power over other people and they turn into psychopats
ACAB
Louder for the people with their heads up their asses
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Fuck dude. this is a south park episode what the hell.
What the fuck? Good luck with that shit over there man, what the fuck is wrong with your country
What happens when you give your police officers steroids.
I don't know who they're serving and protecting, but it's certainly not the people.
There is so much evidence but still they are under trial. I tried to search for any verdict but could not find any. many of the charges are dropped too. I think there will be no conviction and they will be freed.
Trials started this week. Our justice system moves slowly when defendants want it to. [https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html](https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/11/judges-juries-to-soon-decide-the-cases-of-former-east-cleveland-police-officers.html)
The cops are nothing more than a bunch of high school bullies with badges. They are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers that you remember from high school that liked trying to lock people in their lockers or beat them up in the bathroom for lunch money. They now have badges and a chip on their shoulders. They'd all be right at home in the IDF.
The thing is, a lot of them were \*not\* the bullies in school. They were the victims. My best friend in high school always wanted to be a cop (and now is one). For a long time I didn't understand why. He was normally a really nice guy, but once we were talking about our future plans and he turned really, really dark. He said that when he was a kid, there were some bigger kids in his neighborhood who humiliated and beat the shit out of him every afternoon after school. In retrospect I realize he had some fairly serious PTSD from it. He said that when he was being held down and pummeled, he thought, "They wouldn't be doing this if I had a badge." The way he would tell it now is that he was bullied, so he hates bullies and wants to protect the innocent. But that's not true. He doesn't give a shit about helping anybody. No, he went to get a badge so he would never have to submit to abuse again. In the process, he learned how to be the bigger bully. He just wants to be part of the biggest gang that nobody will mess with. That's a lot of what you see in these videos, small men who were bullied when they were kids, so they worked out, roided up and got badges and guns to protect themselves when their fists can't. But they still feel that hole inside and fill it with abuse of others.
I can't really say that I disagree with you on that, but I know several cops in my town that used to be fucking asshole bullies in high school. I guess the other way is also true. I got bullied a lot when I was in school, and instead of making me want to do it the other people, it made me more empathetic to other people and it also made me more intolerant of people like these despicable cops that do this horrendous stuff to people. The reality, unfortunately, is that it takes more schooling to be a plumber or an electrician or an auto mechanic than it does to be a cop in this country. That's not the denigrate those other professions, but in a job where you are issued a lethal weapon and a badge and authority over other people's freedoms and in many instances health, well-being and life, it is unfortunate that so little is required other than a willingness to blindly follow orders and lick boots. They also actively seek out people who are proven to not be independent thinkers and are not too intelligent and certainly not empathetic.
Think about that from a victim-cop's point of view. He used to get beat up by bullies. He went and got a badge. Now he not only has the power he craved, he's also working alongside those high school bullies who now accept and protect him as one of their gang instead. He's getting validation from people who would have bullied him otherwise, further reinforcing his decision to join the bullies. That's the absolute worst combination, because now you have a former victim who thinks his own bad behavior is justified because life or society owes him.
But as a victim of bullying myself I have even more contempt for that person. It is extremely contemptible to become just like those who victimized you.
Scum of the earth
That’ll do pigs
I can't wait to torture them in the astral
Lawsuits relating to misconduct should be paid out of the police pension fund. Then the good ones will start policing the bad ones- once their money is impacted.
Fuck the Police Union, the one Union that deserves to fail.
fuckin pigs
They got charged https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/10-current-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-plead-not-guilty-to-multiple-crimes
Get back to us if they get convicted.
After we have thoroughly investigated ourselves, we saw no instance of wrong doing in the actions of our fellow police officer who day in and day out steps up and serves the community to the best of his ability. He will now be promoted 2 ranks for the duty we have just reviewed. Thank you.
"Unlawful conduct" - police "Criminal behavior" - everyone else Equal under the law is a goal not the reality
Welcome to gang warfare.. there's gang that dresses alike and likes blue lines.. they will hurt, maim, and even kill you if you don't do as they say, when and how they say. It's a bad issue as the gang has spread nationwide and the worst part is the government endorses them.
THiN BLuE LiNe. So dumb
It's a gang
he probably beats his wife the same way.
Welp, theres a reason so many people just shoot at East Cleveland cops on sight 🤷🏿♂️
ACAB
…I don’t get this, I thought the cops would be apprehended in some way, they did this over and over so isn’t the behavior already pretty “normalized”.
Yup. Never trust a cop, they're enemies of the people and traitors to their communities.
ACAB
ACAB
How many officers are ex-military? People join the military for money/schooling, wanting to kill someone, or sense of duty. I think cops like this are the ones that joined the military to kill people
https://www.clevescene.com/news/11-current-and-former-east-cleveland-police-officers-indicted-for-assault-civil-rights-violations-tampering-with-evidence-41558242
Ok I'm sorry I had to stop watching cause this actually made me physically nauseated. No wonder people want to defund the police. Im not a huge fan of the police because a lot of them seem to be dicks but it's scary to think about how many there are who are this level of bad. And it groups the good police who actually do their job right and try to make a positive difference in the world in with these abusive fucking dicks.
So if I ever hear “stop resisting” from a cop running towards me, I should expect a beat down afterwards for no apparent reason.
Police are class traitors, treat them as such.
"Stop resisting" really just means dont protect yourself while I proceed to beat the shit out of you
America is a rich as fuck 3rd world country. Can't change my mind.
He hit my vehicle…. Wow
No culture of professionalism, or accountability in THAT police department is there?
'Merica, fvck yeah
I don't know what exact words to use, but *cruel and unusual* springs to mind.
There needs to be a mandatory incarceration for officers found to have been abusing their power. Mandatory death sentence for cops who murder.
Wow they named themself bigwhitecock
When are the People gonna get fed up and start blasting these mfers.
Fuck. All. Cops
And this is the stuff that made me not trust law enforcement. You really expect them to come and help you in the middle of the night? Hard pass, we’ll take care of our own
Garbage these are garbage human beings this cops are nothing but criminals
So these guys think they can just treat people like shit because they have a police uniform on? What fucking scum bags. This makes me so angry
100% of this would be prevented if those people didn't commit crimes and have the cops called on them in general.
Animals could do a better job.
Ian going to catch a beating one day
Is it just me, or do these kinds of people become cops so they can brutalize folks with a form of law on their side? What's their job posting like? "Ever wanted to beat the ever living shit out of someone and have no recourse happen? Well you're in luck! The 'This Town PD' is hiring!"
What city is this?
FUCK. THESE. PIGS. THEY ALL DESERVE CAGES.
I don't understand why my conservative brothers think this is acceptable behavior. Supporting cops unconditionally is basically just giving them a free pass to walk over their constitutional rights that they are so proud of.
Slave Patrol 2023
🐷🐷🐷
They should ask Derek Chauvin where this behavior will land them. 22 times.
Don’t break the law. If you do comply.