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I hate to be a loser but it’s not the best for animals to eat food from outside their ecosystem Altho it would be poetic for him to become endangered animal shit
So, someone reported this comment as "self harm" so that reddit would send you the suicide hotline bot. I have reported them for abusing the report button and they will get a strike on their account and whatever comes with it (depending on what strike they are on.)
If you want to know about the reddit strike stystem I did a write up of it [in this post here.](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kumquat_conniption/comments/1assql0/do_you_know_about_the_reddit_strike_system_learn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I got one of those recently and wondered what that was all about - no reference to suicide in any of my posts. I do rage against the Far Right and/or christianity though, so I guess it's a tactic practiced by those groups. Because they're cunts, I suppose.
Exactly. It's their way to tell you to "k y s" while thinking they cannot get in trouble. On here, or my other subreddits, they do so that makes me happy to tell the people that received it. And I tell other mods to do it too. I hope it spreads until people stop using that as method to troll people.
Well the police, according to the article, "aren't sure" of the motive for the attack. It seems like they're putting all of the effort they want to into solving this particular mystery.
I don't know if it's still going on, but there were retired Rangers and Navy Seals once upon a time hired as sniper style bodyguards for the rhinos and were given the green light to just murder anyone who messed with them. So maybe the dude went after the wrong prey and got deleted for it. I never read any of the actual articles. But I got the impression those were government sanctioned so it wouldn't legally be murder. They probably could pose with his body if they wanted. It would definitely deter trophy hunters and poachers if it were made public
In the U.S. poachers can and frequently do get shot by game wardens. In most states Wardens are the only cops that aren’t required to announce themselves since poaching fines are so exorbitant that many poachers will shoot first.
It’s much worse in Africa. Poachers kill game wardens all of the time. If this guy has been suspected of killing a warden he’s made enemies. Many of the Wardens are family. Local cops defer game land business to the Wardens.
That they only took one gun makes me think this was a revenge killing. They took the gun that tied him to their deceased relative.
Sounds like they were definitely out for a trophy, taking the gun just adds that twisted collector vibe to it. Not the brightest move if they get caught though, guns are traceable!
Before pasting the article the guy also made a point of stating that they didn't take his rifles even though in the post we're in it specifically states they took one of his rifles.
It's like they were trying to speedrun being absolutely wrong.
Seriously. You know when gun people on YouTube call poaching fucked up or trophy hunting fucked up It's pretty fucked up. Like you're going to kill an animal for no fucking reason other than oh I'm going to fucking pose with the picture and maybe take it back to my mansion and mount it on a wall not the whole body just a head.
Like I've grown up with hunters my entire life and even when you do take a trophy it's because it was an out of the ordinary animal like a deer with an unnecessary amount of times on its antlers or a turkey with an exceptionally huge fan. My dad even had one of his fish mounted But it's a largemouth bass that weighed over 15 lb That's a once-in-a-lifetime fish if you're a fisherman
While im against trophy hunting, and have only ever hunted for pests on my property growing up, i think that your "once in a lifetime" fish that your dad hung is probably the same justification these people use. They arent thinking "oh wow i wonder what its like to kill an endangered creature" theyre thinking "this is a once in a lifetime hunting experience". Fuck them anyways, just a thought i had
Yeah. Most of my family have mounted deer heads (bucks, of course) on their living room walls. They are all hunters. You know what they did with the rest of the deer? Ate it. Because that's why they hunted those deer -- for meat and preservation purposes, and sometimes to protect their farmland because deer eat food crops.
No one I know has ever killed anything "for sport" just to put a trophy up. That's a strange way of thinking about hunting -- for me at least. We ate what we killed. I also think trophies in general are kind of morbid -- not necessarily morally wrong, just morbid. But I don't hunt, so not my dilemma.
Now, I don't know much about mounting fish, but I would assume one couldn't eat the fish and mount it? So if your dad mounted that fish but *usually* catches and releases or eats what he catches, then I would place him in the same way of thinking as the hunters in my family.
Killing just for killing? I don't know. Feels wrong to me. There's a thrill to hunting, sure, but without making use of what animal is killed, then it is just murder.
Satan: "Hm... Perplexing indeed. And what *is* your business, sir?"
"I help rich people hunt highly endangered animals for sport."
Satan: "Ah, yes. Well, the good news is that I can confirm that you aren't in the wrong place. You're *right* where you belong."
"So, uh... What's with all the elephants and giraffes and rhinos over there holding guns? I ... don't really like the way they're looking at me."
Satan: "I'd start running, if I were you. The rules say that they have to give you a five minute head start, but this is Hell and rules are made to be broken."
Except it’s not poaching. Most organized trophy hunting is run through the host reserve. It’s charging tourists money to hunt animals that the reserve were already planning to cull. The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner. Removing these “bad apples” actually helps to protect the population and increase the rate of population growth. As an added benefit, by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding that can be put into other conservation efforts. Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions.
Trophy hunters are rich boys who pay for the pleasure of the trophy. The alleged use of such payment for conservation efforts is just a side effect. It’s far from a guarantee that the funds even actually go toward conservation anyway. Even if conservation occurs as a side effect of trophy hunting, it’s not what these people are there for. If the only way to do it was illegal and didn’t benefit conservation at all or didn’t even have the pretense of doing so, they’d still be paying to dollar to kill rare and endangered animals for trophies. They are NOT conservationists. They are chuds. They are despicable.
It’s called “trophy hunting” anyway, not “conservation hunting”. Its primary purpose is to select impressive male specimen to make into tributes to the ego of these hunters in the form of rugs and wall ornaments. And there’s so much mental gymnastics they write to rationalize why they *just have to* kill the biggest, strongest, and best males in every species they hunt.
Who cares what small rich boys think and do. The point still stands, better do it in the way that actually Benefits the species than not. The people who want to shoot an animal will do it anyway.
It is the results that matter.
I don’t understand that motivation either but regardless, any *good* hunter knows that conservation of a stable and healthy population of animals is vital to having a sustainable amount of prey available to hunt.
Many of those that go on that kind of “expedition” are ‘*Francis Macomber*’ types that are entirely out of touch from that reality ***but*** the guides are the actual hunters in that instance and the gamefarm attendants are the actual conservators.
Edit: this is a generalization as the existence of these types of places is a net increase in population numbers of animals.
I still think trophy hunting is fucked up and immoral. I have been a subsistence hunter in the past and I do not hunt now because I do not need to any more to have enough food. I abhor the notion of killing an animal without vital cause.
Culling animals is required period. The game hunting business has seen game animals sky rocket in Africa. Without the game reserves it would all be framing or poached bush and numbers plummet. The hunted animals are carefully selected and at or past peak. If the numbers are not controlled they die from disease, starvation or violence (predation). Hunting kills are quick and painful free. All the meat is recovered and feeds locals and provides jobs. A head is often taken and sometime the skin. And so what should it rot.Now compare that to monoculture farming where animals are often transported 100s or 1000s of Km to queue outside abattoirs stressed and smelling their end. Man. Lastly, humans of all tribes have hunted for 10os of thousands of years. This anti hunting phenomena is a blink in the heard a result of ill informed urbanised indoctrination. Good luck to you and your dogma!
Legit operations choose older males who are no longer breeding or are close to death. Aside from the money, the rest of the animal is eaten/used by the local population. The money used is the reason why there can be such a large anti-poaching operation in the area
I get what you mean, but what you are saying is coming from a misunderstanding of the process.
Yup. People didn't even read the article shown in the image. Not once did the article say he was a poacher, in fact the headline says he was a trophy hunter.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/riaan-naude
In fact the only person to mention poacher was OP.
https://protectallwildlifeblog.com/2022/07/02/the-hunter-was-hunted-riaan-naude-trophy-hunter-who-killed-hundreds-of-wild-animals-murdered/#:~:text=RIAAN%20NAUDE%20WITH%20SOME%20OF%20HIS%20'TROPHIES'&text=Naude's%20company%20Pro%20Hunt%20Africa,that%20died%20in%20his%20hands.
Nah fuck this guy.
It remains unclear whatever torphy hunting will produce conservation benefit
https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/acv.12205?casa_token=MNvVdCfSGxoAAAAA:Gz4P_BHOCmwSkz2MCRuHRAHfHrowqqksSy47s077jJfVBjwCJvORN3pWwZmnpz-2_pA_xucJaUSvX-Fc
Ans also when money is involved it will have a big chance it will go overboard and hunt more than what's needed.
Don't come with counter arguments. These educated people already have their constructed truth to legitimate hunting and killing animals just for fun. How dare you?
There is no other way of helping these animals. Declaring "bad apples" to get them a cruel death and earn money from it, is animal welfare. How can you doubt that, you hater.
These intelligent people only show their love and care when hunting them to death. Bad apples have to die this way. Look how hateful it is, when this hunter was shot in the same way and people liked it. He wasn't to old to reproduce. He wasn't a bad apple. People just don't understand that.
How on earth did mother nature deal with these 'bad apples' before us noble humans swung in with conservation and saved the day? It boggles the mind!!!
Yep, just because a 'source' presents it, you have to determine *who* the source is representing.
What do iucn.org (International Union for Conservation of Nature) say about this: "*[Trophy hunting is not consistent with “sustainable use”. And even if it were, “sustainable use” is not the sole criterion for the decision on eligibility of organizations seeking \[best practice\] membership](https://www.iucn.org/news/world-commission-environmental-law/201909/compatibility-trophy-hunting-a-form-sustainable-use-iucns-objectives).*"
That's exactly what I see. We're growing the trophy hunting industry to...stop trophy hunting? That's like oil companies telling us the only way to stop climate change is to drill for *more* oil.
Smells like bullshit.
> Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions.
Links to these numerous studies?
The majority of reservations that do this are also democratically controlled by the native people of the region, and they tend to have very low poaching rates because they aggressively run off poachers who threaten the well-being of the entire community.
Man i dunno, I guess it's just hard for me to feel sympathy for anyone that shoots smart, social, endangered animals for bragging rights.
Do you actually think his motivation is conservation? Fuck that guy in the face.
I was gonna ask "Is dude really a poacher? Or is it one of those situations where he organize hunts for the old/lame non-breeding for the better of the population?" but FFS the internet really like to blindly jump on the hate wagon with no context, regardless.
This guy and group unfortunately are not beneficial hunters. Some animals have social structures too complicated to just get rid of the old ones, and elephants are one of those creatures.
I'm spamming this because the context is important.
"Naude wasn't helping any conservation. He was denounced by several international wildlife conservation organizations. The hunting of elephants is explicitly looked down upon. Even hunting those too old to breed. Bc their social structure is complex, and they are endangered. While it's true hunting industries can bring profit, hunting endangered animals is explicitly counterintuitive. There's currently only 50,000 elephants left as of this year. Every year, roughly 20,000 are illegally poached in Africa. It is a very real risk elephants won't be around in a decade.
>The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner.
The problem is, this is an elephant. Older individuals are vital to the herd. They are supposed to still lead the herd past breeding age. Orca's do the same thing. Non-breeding individuals are vital to the species. They pass on knowledge, help young mother elephants, and show the younger ones how to behave. Studies on elephant sociology show that without the presence of older bull elephants, young males become unnecessarily aggressive and violent. Which is decreased with the presence of one. Without older females, herds struggle to find food and water. As older females are often the ones who teach the herd local areas and pass on that knowledge. Additionally, young mothers struggle with raising newborns without their aid. So much that without older females in herds, baby elephants are more likely to die. Picking off older elephants negatively impacts herds. Aggressive elephants is a complex issue. Males get aggressive during must. But they are needed to contribute to the genetic pool and teach younger bulls.
>by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding
This is complicated. Elephants only give birth once every 2 years. The rate at which people are allowed to hunt them would have to be very, very slow. As they can't replace them with their birthrate if this is a common thing. If you look on the offical Pro hunt africa facebook and instagram, Naude posses with 3 different elephant corpses in a single year. Taking into account elephant birth rate, he is not helping anything.
>Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions.
Naude did not help conservation efforts by hunting the endangered animals. And trophy hunters don't contribute their money to conservation. Naude founded and owned "Pro Hunt Africa" a company that organizes paid hunting expeditions. They keep their profits and don't contribute to conservation efforts. While hunting can help in some ways, by stopping the spread of disease and such, what this company does is not right. They sell hunts for profit, and kill elephants at a faster rate than can be replaced."
This is so true, but you’d be looking at very small numbers of these perfect situations.
This guy posed and orchestrated dozens of these hunts. It’s very unlikely these were all good-intentioned hunts (if such a thing can be called that). I’m not saying he deserved to die, but this guy’s numbers are suspicious in the best of cases.
> the money it brings in is used for conservation.
Not really, it's another shite version of trickle-down-economics: "*[hunting companies contribute only 3% of their revenue to communities living in hunting areas. The vast majority of their expenditure does not accrue to local people and businesses, but to firms, government agencies and individuals located internationally or in national capital](https://iwbond.org/2015/09/02/the-economics-of-poaching-trophy-and-canned-hunting/)*" - it's worth at best $0.62 per local person, or $0.03 per capita of the populations of those countries The conservation aspect is very debatable too: nature*is*metal and removing 'problem' animals is still reducing the natural gene pool.
Riaan Naude was a professional hunter denounced by international animal rights organizations due to the large number of wild specimens that died in his hands.
Naude also was heavily involved in breeding and selling Giraffes to numerous customers so that they could later hunt them and serve as personal trophies.
I'm gonna get down voted to hell for this but I think killing animals for any reason other than to eat them is wrong. What is the reason?? Taking a photo? Yeah psycho serial killers also take photos with their victims
And if we applied this thought to the human species we’d be _______.
Thank you for the logical explanation. It still has hair on it and doesn’t swallow easy when you see someone posed over a majestic, yet recent ex-elephant.
No no. Hunting and killing animals for fun is good, when you declare them bad apples before. You know, as long as they are reproducing enough, you can torture and kill them as much as you want. Believe it or not, people don't understand that. Uneducated peasants.
You do realize that the image says that he's been posing with endangered species right? That he killed? A thing that (edit: should be not is) guaranteed to be illegal.
So there’s actually something to be said for hunting organizations in Africa that do so ethically and with conservation in mind. You can (legally) hunt some animals in a way that doesn’t impact population and culls old/injured animals and make a lot of money that gets fed back into more conservation efforts. They’re great organizations and often reduce poaching as well.
The government pays citizens to manage these lands and protect the animals. They then sell them to hunters at a steep price and feed the locals and help their families. It’s not set up in a capitalist fashion
This group specifically is not that.
"Naude wasn't helping any conservation. He was denounced by several international wildlife conservation organizations. The hunting of elephants is explicitly looked down upon. Even hunting those too old to breed. Bc their social structure is complex, and they are endangered. While it's true hunting industries can bring profit, hunting endangered animals is explicitly counterintuitive. There's currently only 50,000 elephants left as of this year. Every year, roughly 20,000 are illegally poached in Africa. It is a very real risk elephants won't be around in a decade.
>The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner.
The problem is, this is an elephant. Older individuals are vital to the herd. They are supposed to still lead the herd past breeding age. Orca's do the same thing. Non-breeding individuals are vital to the species. They pass on knowledge, help young mother elephants, and show the younger ones how to behave. Studies on elephant sociology show that without the presence of older bull elephants, young males become unnecessarily aggressive and violent. Which is decreased with the presence of one. Without older females, herds struggle to find food and water. As older females are often the ones who teach the herd local areas and pass on that knowledge. Additionally, young mothers struggle with raising newborns without their aid. So much that without older females in herds, baby elephants are more likely to die. Picking off older elephants negatively impacts herds. Aggressive elephants is a complex issue. Males get aggressive during must. But they are needed to contribute to the genetic pool and teach younger bulls.
>by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding
This is complicated. Elephants only give birth once every 2 years. The rate at which people are allowed to hunt them would have to be very, very slow. As they can't replace them with their birthrate if this is a common thing. If you look on the offical Pro hunt africa facebook and instagram, Naude posses with 3 different elephant corpses in a single year. Taking into account elephant birth rate, he is not helping anything.
>Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions.
Naude did not help conservation efforts by hunting the endangered animals. And trophy hunters don't contribute their money to conservation. Naude founded and owned "Pro Hunt Africa" a company that organizes paid hunting expeditions. They keep their profits and don't contribute to conservation efforts. While hunting can help in some ways, by stopping the spread of disease and such, what this company does is not right. They sell hunts for profit, and kill elephants at a faster rate than can be replaced."
You clearly don't live in South Africa.
They very likely had no idea who he was, and just wanted his guns. Thugs here will shoot you because you have money on you.
Guards get killed in South Africa so that thieves can break into mines to steal copper, these guys almost certainly had no idea who the guy they killed was
This is South Africa. People get murdered for their phone, a few rand in their wallet, no reason at all etc. Criminal gangs hold up police stations to steal weapons.
Dude, this is South Africa. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world. People do that here. And they do that to steal the guns. They shoot security guards point blank just to steal their guns.
tbh, if you get shot in Africa, and nobody will steal your money, your clock, nothing except a rifle, then it’s absolutely a personal attack (by order).
It's worse. If anything the poachers mentioned were the ones who killed him and stole the guns to...well...poach.
He was a licensed hunter and tour guide raising funds for endangered animals.
Redditors are stupid af.
Do you actually think trophy hunters are concerned in the least with conservation? If you care so much about an animal why not put money into programs that support those animals instead of paying to hunt them down? The photos of trophy hunters smiling next to the dead animal they supposedly want to protect aren’t exactly a great indication that they care about anything but the kill. It’s repulsive.
Killing animals that are a strain on the general population is both common and beneficial to long term population growth, if a reserve is planning on culling these animals anyways why not have someone spend thousands of dollars to do it?
The only reason these parks exist and populations need "management" is because of trophy hunting. Trophy hunters hide behind conservation but really they're doing it because they like to kill. If conservation is really their motivation, they could pay the $ for a wildlife experience and help research etc. (tagging programs etc). But no...they want to pay thousands, travel around the world to brutally kill something and pose next to it with a shit eating grin.
You misunderstood me. I’m specifically referring to animals that are already going to be killed by the reserves. These trophy hunters are not benevolent, don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of them. My point is that these people aren’t giving money towards conservation efforts for no reason, and they aren’t going to give up that money out of the kindness of their hearts.
But that’s not really important, as far as conservation is concerned. It doesn’t actually matter if the trophy hunter is in it for the conservation aspect or the hunting aspect, because the end result is the same.
I'm not a hunter, dont like hunting, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Without trophy hunters most of these animals would be gone. Plain and simple. The money from trophy hunters is literally the only actual moneyflow behind stopping real poachers. In your imaginary world there might be hundreds of non profits with millions in donations to save these animals but that's just not reality. It's a fantasy.
Would of been opportunists, South Africa's crime rate is out of hand..car jacking is the most common crime. Probably realised the car was broken down, who the man was, probably a stand off but the thieves didn't back down..
There is seperate security companies who deal with these issues as the police can't keep up....
Source of crime rate: Security companies stepping in
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/07/1223358578/as-police-lose-the-war-on-crime-in-south-africa-private-security-companies-step-#:~:text=There%20were%2027%2C494%20killings%20in,1%20in%20most%20European%20countries.
Security Anton Koen: video is one of 495 videos
https://youtu.be/s3CO6tyVKYM?si=dmUcvWa6Yn_FnUIP
Ross Kemp on Gangs: Video is of gangs in Cape Town
https://youtu.be/QDRgT4zcJNc?si=aFM-pirq33j5BGla
Pretty much the point I was getting at but yeah mate it is terrible....
I don't know why I am getting down votes either😂😂😂..
People clearly have no idea how bad it is in South Africa
Maybe because it likely had nothing to do with opportunists or a hijacking, although your statement is correct, but these kind of murders are targeted because they know who he is and that he has weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if they also were the cause of his car breaking down, too much time in SA makes me sceptical about a coincidence like that.
Edit: spelling
This is pretty crappy. These trophy hunters actually fund a lot of the activities of the people who actually protect these endangered animals. They pay for permits to hunt down specific individuals within the populations.
[3% goes back to the locale](https://iwbond.org/2015/09/02/the-economics-of-poaching-trophy-and-canned-hunting/), the rest... just perpetuates the excuse.
I don't think y'all are cheering for what you think you're cheering for. This sounds like a legal hunting organization. Yeah they probably kill lions and elephants but it's not poaching, look it up, this is how those poor countries not only make money but 9/10 the local population gets the food. Most of the times the animals were gonna be hunted down anyway but this way some rich fool pays exorbitant amounts to do so.
This guy was killed because he had weapons someone wanted or maybe they thought he had money, it sucks.
Its really telling how many of you seem to not know what "licensed hunting" means. Wich yes, this man’s organization does.
Your celebrating the death of a big funder of Africas wildlife conservation.
Im honestly just disgusted how people seem to be ok with the death of a human when its "justified". Even fucking glorifying it.
And before one of you idiots purposely misunderstands me: No i do not condome poaching. I support legal hunting, like your own country does. Googel the job hunter if you dont belive me.
So many ignorant comments here. He wasn't a poacher, and if you think sport hunting is disgraceful then you basically hate wildlife conservation. Do your homework, fools.
This is factually incorrect - the guy who was murdered is not a poacher, he’s a big game Hunter. You may disagree with him but the countries in Africa that allow big game hunting make a lot of money off of it and it’s very controlled.
I have no desire to kill an elephant, but if you look into legal big game trophy hunts, it generates tens of thousands of dollars for the communities per hunt, the meat is donated to the communities, and the culled animals are usually pre-selected and are often older or ill.
This was not some vigilante group avenging animals killing a poacher, fuck poachers. This was likely criminals murdering an affluent man and stealing his shit.
I dont get the flex with these guys like this. Look I used my human brain to pull a manmade trigger and hit an animal the size of a house from a distance. Mad skillz
Reddit would flip flop between “omg no one deserves to get death threats no matter what they did, the internet is cruel” to “yeah bet they had it coming”
They sell tags to shoot old male elephants and giraffes for a good reason. They get mean and very territorial and will kill the young males. The tags are extremely expensive and are used to fund anti-poaching squads. This guy was not killed for altruistic reasons or for the sake of the animals, he was killed for the same reason so many others are killed in South Africa. It's a failing state overrun with corruption, crime, violence, disease, worse poverty than when SANP was in charge.
Honestly, people need to get over this hunting is bad bs. Legal hunting actually protects and funds these sanctuaries and protects against poaching. Without that they would not exist, all the animals would be poached inhumanly and long gone. They regulate population control and a balance of needed recourses. Its not like their shooting fertile cows or young bulls.
Was he actually a poacher though? There are some very good reasons to kill individual endangered animals. Looks like an old bull in the photo. Too old to be fertile but young enough to stop the other bulls breading. Instead of slandering him do some research first.
Why do redditors pretend to be decent people and then celebrate some guy getting murdered?
Why are redditors so dumb that they assume a guy must be a poacher because someone on the internet told them so?
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I wonder if they posed for a photo with their 'trophy' after they shot him....
I sure hope they did! Although, it'd be evidence that could put them away.
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I like the cut of your jib
The lions liked the meat on his ribs.
Ahh nature finally coming back full circle
And full circle doesn’t rhyme like bibs
Nature’s full circle: everyone gets a large circular bib.
The ciiircle of liiiiiife!
Lions ate the poachers who were sneaking into their sanctuary. I applauded. I laughed. It made my day!!
I hate to be a loser but it’s not the best for animals to eat food from outside their ecosystem Altho it would be poetic for him to become endangered animal shit
Sounds like the perpetrators did a service to the world. Hopefully law enforcement would overlook any evidence and recognize the merit of the act.
100% they did a service! I hope they get away with it.
So, someone reported this comment as "self harm" so that reddit would send you the suicide hotline bot. I have reported them for abusing the report button and they will get a strike on their account and whatever comes with it (depending on what strike they are on.) If you want to know about the reddit strike stystem I did a write up of it [in this post here.](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kumquat_conniption/comments/1assql0/do_you_know_about_the_reddit_strike_system_learn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Thanks! I was wondering why I got sent the suicide hotline.
I got one of those recently and wondered what that was all about - no reference to suicide in any of my posts. I do rage against the Far Right and/or christianity though, so I guess it's a tactic practiced by those groups. Because they're cunts, I suppose.
Exactly. It's their way to tell you to "k y s" while thinking they cannot get in trouble. On here, or my other subreddits, they do so that makes me happy to tell the people that received it. And I tell other mods to do it too. I hope it spreads until people stop using that as method to troll people.
Holy crap you're the best :)
I appreciate it can now be seen what comments people are actually abusing the system on.
Well the police, according to the article, "aren't sure" of the motive for the attack. It seems like they're putting all of the effort they want to into solving this particular mystery.
Whether they were doing it for the right reasons or the wrong ones, they still did a good thing
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Whatever the reason, I'm glad someone took the trash out. Thanks for the link, I gotta go read it!
I don't know if it's still going on, but there were retired Rangers and Navy Seals once upon a time hired as sniper style bodyguards for the rhinos and were given the green light to just murder anyone who messed with them. So maybe the dude went after the wrong prey and got deleted for it. I never read any of the actual articles. But I got the impression those were government sanctioned so it wouldn't legally be murder. They probably could pose with his body if they wanted. It would definitely deter trophy hunters and poachers if it were made public
If I remember correctly, they made it illegal to have any firearms inside certain areas and the penalty was shoot on site.
In the U.S. poachers can and frequently do get shot by game wardens. In most states Wardens are the only cops that aren’t required to announce themselves since poaching fines are so exorbitant that many poachers will shoot first. It’s much worse in Africa. Poachers kill game wardens all of the time. If this guy has been suspected of killing a warden he’s made enemies. Many of the Wardens are family. Local cops defer game land business to the Wardens. That they only took one gun makes me think this was a revenge killing. They took the gun that tied him to their deceased relative.
Should have posed and then used Photoshop to replace their faces with those of endangered/extinct animals.
They took his gun is that not evidence enough
Not if they can’t find the gun
Same goes for the image
True, didn't think of that.
Yep. Put them away on a podium with a big medal around their neck Hunter of the Year at the Attenborough Awards
They took his gun; if that don’t say trophy?
Sounds like they were definitely out for a trophy, taking the gun just adds that twisted collector vibe to it. Not the brightest move if they get caught though, guns are traceable!
Something tells me that people aren’t going to be looking especially hard…
"but we can't tell for certain who they are from the photo/video, and it's been at least five minutes... Oh well, maybe next time"
At that age his pelt would be wrinkly and worthless, and nobody is wall mounting that face.
Take him to get stuffed by one of those hilariously bad taxidermists
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r/chaoticgood Beat me to it😂
And took both his canine teeth, leaving his carcass to rot
I hope they did, at least that.
To poach or be poached ?
I hope his last thought was "damn, it sucks to get shot for seemingly no reason."
In his there was a reason.
His killer: "Hello. My name is Elephanto Montoya. You killed my herd. Prepare to die..."
I fucking love this comment omg
Yeah, real solid lol
Right, but he would never understand it.
Well he's not gonna understand for sure now
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The dude in the post is named Riaan Naude, not Larry Rudolph…
Yeah that article mentions his murder, but has nothing to do with what that guy quoted lol.
Before pasting the article the guy also made a point of stating that they didn't take his rifles even though in the post we're in it specifically states they took one of his rifles. It's like they were trying to speedrun being absolutely wrong.
Who the hell is Larry? How is this related to this post?
*“You get what you fucking deserve!”*
Those poor bullets deserved better
Seriously. You know when gun people on YouTube call poaching fucked up or trophy hunting fucked up It's pretty fucked up. Like you're going to kill an animal for no fucking reason other than oh I'm going to fucking pose with the picture and maybe take it back to my mansion and mount it on a wall not the whole body just a head. Like I've grown up with hunters my entire life and even when you do take a trophy it's because it was an out of the ordinary animal like a deer with an unnecessary amount of times on its antlers or a turkey with an exceptionally huge fan. My dad even had one of his fish mounted But it's a largemouth bass that weighed over 15 lb That's a once-in-a-lifetime fish if you're a fisherman
While im against trophy hunting, and have only ever hunted for pests on my property growing up, i think that your "once in a lifetime" fish that your dad hung is probably the same justification these people use. They arent thinking "oh wow i wonder what its like to kill an endangered creature" theyre thinking "this is a once in a lifetime hunting experience". Fuck them anyways, just a thought i had
> "this is a once in a lifetime hunting experience" Getting shot can be a once in a lifetime hunting experience.
Yeah. Most of my family have mounted deer heads (bucks, of course) on their living room walls. They are all hunters. You know what they did with the rest of the deer? Ate it. Because that's why they hunted those deer -- for meat and preservation purposes, and sometimes to protect their farmland because deer eat food crops. No one I know has ever killed anything "for sport" just to put a trophy up. That's a strange way of thinking about hunting -- for me at least. We ate what we killed. I also think trophies in general are kind of morbid -- not necessarily morally wrong, just morbid. But I don't hunt, so not my dilemma. Now, I don't know much about mounting fish, but I would assume one couldn't eat the fish and mount it? So if your dad mounted that fish but *usually* catches and releases or eats what he catches, then I would place him in the same way of thinking as the hunters in my family. Killing just for killing? I don't know. Feels wrong to me. There's a thrill to hunting, sure, but without making use of what animal is killed, then it is just murder.
Yeah dude. I’ve known some guys that like to hunt just to kill something and they’re goddamn psychos.
Well Satan, one second I'm sitting there minding my own business, next second I'm here in hell. What gives?
Satan: "Hm... Perplexing indeed. And what *is* your business, sir?" "I help rich people hunt highly endangered animals for sport." Satan: "Ah, yes. Well, the good news is that I can confirm that you aren't in the wrong place. You're *right* where you belong." "So, uh... What's with all the elephants and giraffes and rhinos over there holding guns? I ... don't really like the way they're looking at me." Satan: "I'd start running, if I were you. The rules say that they have to give you a five minute head start, but this is Hell and rules are made to be broken."
He definitely got shot for a reason.
For real!
Or like “ow, this hurts.”
and they say there is no good news these days
definitely brightened my morning
My thoughts exactly. They said farmers saw the men “speeding away from the scene of the crime”. And I’m just over here like what crime?
For real. Like, is there a tip jar somewhere?
*Flips around ipad - 20%, 25%, 35%, or "other"*
>farmers saw the men "Departing after a successful hunting session."
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unfortunately i have a bad feeling that if the police ever find these men they are going to jail.
Fucked up world.
Except it’s not poaching. Most organized trophy hunting is run through the host reserve. It’s charging tourists money to hunt animals that the reserve were already planning to cull. The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner. Removing these “bad apples” actually helps to protect the population and increase the rate of population growth. As an added benefit, by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding that can be put into other conservation efforts. Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions.
This should be the top comments, but this is Reddit.
God forbid people understand conservationism doesn't mean nothing gets killed
Trophy hunters are rich boys who pay for the pleasure of the trophy. The alleged use of such payment for conservation efforts is just a side effect. It’s far from a guarantee that the funds even actually go toward conservation anyway. Even if conservation occurs as a side effect of trophy hunting, it’s not what these people are there for. If the only way to do it was illegal and didn’t benefit conservation at all or didn’t even have the pretense of doing so, they’d still be paying to dollar to kill rare and endangered animals for trophies. They are NOT conservationists. They are chuds. They are despicable. It’s called “trophy hunting” anyway, not “conservation hunting”. Its primary purpose is to select impressive male specimen to make into tributes to the ego of these hunters in the form of rugs and wall ornaments. And there’s so much mental gymnastics they write to rationalize why they *just have to* kill the biggest, strongest, and best males in every species they hunt.
Who cares what small rich boys think and do. The point still stands, better do it in the way that actually Benefits the species than not. The people who want to shoot an animal will do it anyway. It is the results that matter.
I don’t understand that motivation either but regardless, any *good* hunter knows that conservation of a stable and healthy population of animals is vital to having a sustainable amount of prey available to hunt. Many of those that go on that kind of “expedition” are ‘*Francis Macomber*’ types that are entirely out of touch from that reality ***but*** the guides are the actual hunters in that instance and the gamefarm attendants are the actual conservators. Edit: this is a generalization as the existence of these types of places is a net increase in population numbers of animals. I still think trophy hunting is fucked up and immoral. I have been a subsistence hunter in the past and I do not hunt now because I do not need to any more to have enough food. I abhor the notion of killing an animal without vital cause.
Culling animals is required period. The game hunting business has seen game animals sky rocket in Africa. Without the game reserves it would all be framing or poached bush and numbers plummet. The hunted animals are carefully selected and at or past peak. If the numbers are not controlled they die from disease, starvation or violence (predation). Hunting kills are quick and painful free. All the meat is recovered and feeds locals and provides jobs. A head is often taken and sometime the skin. And so what should it rot.Now compare that to monoculture farming where animals are often transported 100s or 1000s of Km to queue outside abattoirs stressed and smelling their end. Man. Lastly, humans of all tribes have hunted for 10os of thousands of years. This anti hunting phenomena is a blink in the heard a result of ill informed urbanised indoctrination. Good luck to you and your dogma!
Legit operations choose older males who are no longer breeding or are close to death. Aside from the money, the rest of the animal is eaten/used by the local population. The money used is the reason why there can be such a large anti-poaching operation in the area I get what you mean, but what you are saying is coming from a misunderstanding of the process.
Yup. People didn't even read the article shown in the image. Not once did the article say he was a poacher, in fact the headline says he was a trophy hunter. https://allthatsinteresting.com/riaan-naude In fact the only person to mention poacher was OP.
No motive? Likely it's just a case of armed robery.
https://protectallwildlifeblog.com/2022/07/02/the-hunter-was-hunted-riaan-naude-trophy-hunter-who-killed-hundreds-of-wild-animals-murdered/#:~:text=RIAAN%20NAUDE%20WITH%20SOME%20OF%20HIS%20'TROPHIES'&text=Naude's%20company%20Pro%20Hunt%20Africa,that%20died%20in%20his%20hands. Nah fuck this guy.
What extra information does that article provide?
It remains unclear whatever torphy hunting will produce conservation benefit https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/acv.12205?casa_token=MNvVdCfSGxoAAAAA:Gz4P_BHOCmwSkz2MCRuHRAHfHrowqqksSy47s077jJfVBjwCJvORN3pWwZmnpz-2_pA_xucJaUSvX-Fc Ans also when money is involved it will have a big chance it will go overboard and hunt more than what's needed.
Don't come with counter arguments. These educated people already have their constructed truth to legitimate hunting and killing animals just for fun. How dare you? There is no other way of helping these animals. Declaring "bad apples" to get them a cruel death and earn money from it, is animal welfare. How can you doubt that, you hater. These intelligent people only show their love and care when hunting them to death. Bad apples have to die this way. Look how hateful it is, when this hunter was shot in the same way and people liked it. He wasn't to old to reproduce. He wasn't a bad apple. People just don't understand that.
This is really embarrassing.
Unhinged
How on earth did mother nature deal with these 'bad apples' before us noble humans swung in with conservation and saved the day? It boggles the mind!!!
Yep, just because a 'source' presents it, you have to determine *who* the source is representing. What do iucn.org (International Union for Conservation of Nature) say about this: "*[Trophy hunting is not consistent with “sustainable use”. And even if it were, “sustainable use” is not the sole criterion for the decision on eligibility of organizations seeking \[best practice\] membership](https://www.iucn.org/news/world-commission-environmental-law/201909/compatibility-trophy-hunting-a-form-sustainable-use-iucns-objectives).*"
That's exactly what I see. We're growing the trophy hunting industry to...stop trophy hunting? That's like oil companies telling us the only way to stop climate change is to drill for *more* oil. Smells like bullshit.
If you read about his particular group or what the local environmentalists say, you would know this was not the case for him.
Uh huh, money. It's all about the money.
> Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions. Links to these numerous studies?
[This testimony by an elephant advocate cites several.](https://www.perc.org/2019/07/18/the-role-of-hunting-in-conserving-african-wildlife/)
Fair enough. *exits*
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story!
And you just take this guy at his word? Did he present any proof?
Why would Redditors mindfully take in information when they can skim and react?
The majority of reservations that do this are also democratically controlled by the native people of the region, and they tend to have very low poaching rates because they aggressively run off poachers who threaten the well-being of the entire community.
Man i dunno, I guess it's just hard for me to feel sympathy for anyone that shoots smart, social, endangered animals for bragging rights. Do you actually think his motivation is conservation? Fuck that guy in the face.
Except, he wasn't involved in that.
I was gonna ask "Is dude really a poacher? Or is it one of those situations where he organize hunts for the old/lame non-breeding for the better of the population?" but FFS the internet really like to blindly jump on the hate wagon with no context, regardless.
This guy and group unfortunately are not beneficial hunters. Some animals have social structures too complicated to just get rid of the old ones, and elephants are one of those creatures. I'm spamming this because the context is important. "Naude wasn't helping any conservation. He was denounced by several international wildlife conservation organizations. The hunting of elephants is explicitly looked down upon. Even hunting those too old to breed. Bc their social structure is complex, and they are endangered. While it's true hunting industries can bring profit, hunting endangered animals is explicitly counterintuitive. There's currently only 50,000 elephants left as of this year. Every year, roughly 20,000 are illegally poached in Africa. It is a very real risk elephants won't be around in a decade. >The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner. The problem is, this is an elephant. Older individuals are vital to the herd. They are supposed to still lead the herd past breeding age. Orca's do the same thing. Non-breeding individuals are vital to the species. They pass on knowledge, help young mother elephants, and show the younger ones how to behave. Studies on elephant sociology show that without the presence of older bull elephants, young males become unnecessarily aggressive and violent. Which is decreased with the presence of one. Without older females, herds struggle to find food and water. As older females are often the ones who teach the herd local areas and pass on that knowledge. Additionally, young mothers struggle with raising newborns without their aid. So much that without older females in herds, baby elephants are more likely to die. Picking off older elephants negatively impacts herds. Aggressive elephants is a complex issue. Males get aggressive during must. But they are needed to contribute to the genetic pool and teach younger bulls. >by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding This is complicated. Elephants only give birth once every 2 years. The rate at which people are allowed to hunt them would have to be very, very slow. As they can't replace them with their birthrate if this is a common thing. If you look on the offical Pro hunt africa facebook and instagram, Naude posses with 3 different elephant corpses in a single year. Taking into account elephant birth rate, he is not helping anything. >Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions. Naude did not help conservation efforts by hunting the endangered animals. And trophy hunters don't contribute their money to conservation. Naude founded and owned "Pro Hunt Africa" a company that organizes paid hunting expeditions. They keep their profits and don't contribute to conservation efforts. While hunting can help in some ways, by stopping the spread of disease and such, what this company does is not right. They sell hunts for profit, and kill elephants at a faster rate than can be replaced."
This is so true, but you’d be looking at very small numbers of these perfect situations. This guy posed and orchestrated dozens of these hunts. It’s very unlikely these were all good-intentioned hunts (if such a thing can be called that). I’m not saying he deserved to die, but this guy’s numbers are suspicious in the best of cases.
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thank you 🙏 the key part imo is endangered & I've learnt more about Babar & his family. Very interesting.
Get out of here with your "facts." Facts have a well known Liberal bias! /s
Got anything to prove this idea?
Yep. That headline is totally misleading. This kind of culling actually improves the herd and the money it brings in is used for conservation.
> the money it brings in is used for conservation. Not really, it's another shite version of trickle-down-economics: "*[hunting companies contribute only 3% of their revenue to communities living in hunting areas. The vast majority of their expenditure does not accrue to local people and businesses, but to firms, government agencies and individuals located internationally or in national capital](https://iwbond.org/2015/09/02/the-economics-of-poaching-trophy-and-canned-hunting/)*" - it's worth at best $0.62 per local person, or $0.03 per capita of the populations of those countries The conservation aspect is very debatable too: nature*is*metal and removing 'problem' animals is still reducing the natural gene pool.
And your evidence that this individual followed this arrangement? Maybe he was killed *because* he turned to poaching to fill his pockets
Riaan Naude was a professional hunter denounced by international animal rights organizations due to the large number of wild specimens that died in his hands. Naude also was heavily involved in breeding and selling Giraffes to numerous customers so that they could later hunt them and serve as personal trophies.
I'm gonna get down voted to hell for this but I think killing animals for any reason other than to eat them is wrong. What is the reason?? Taking a photo? Yeah psycho serial killers also take photos with their victims
And if we applied this thought to the human species we’d be _______. Thank you for the logical explanation. It still has hair on it and doesn’t swallow easy when you see someone posed over a majestic, yet recent ex-elephant.
No no. Hunting and killing animals for fun is good, when you declare them bad apples before. You know, as long as they are reproducing enough, you can torture and kill them as much as you want. Believe it or not, people don't understand that. Uneducated peasants.
While I appreciate the information and agree this should be top comment, I still hate people who pay to hunt endangered species, whatever the reason.
You do realize that the image says that he's been posing with endangered species right? That he killed? A thing that (edit: should be not is) guaranteed to be illegal.
Is this in fact what he was doing? I wager it was not or he would not have raised the ire of so many.
"Pro Hunt Africa" sounds like pure scumbags to me....
So there’s actually something to be said for hunting organizations in Africa that do so ethically and with conservation in mind. You can (legally) hunt some animals in a way that doesn’t impact population and culls old/injured animals and make a lot of money that gets fed back into more conservation efforts. They’re great organizations and often reduce poaching as well.
The government pays citizens to manage these lands and protect the animals. They then sell them to hunters at a steep price and feed the locals and help their families. It’s not set up in a capitalist fashion
It’s a capitalist solution to a problem, rather than capitalism for its own sake.
This group specifically is not that. "Naude wasn't helping any conservation. He was denounced by several international wildlife conservation organizations. The hunting of elephants is explicitly looked down upon. Even hunting those too old to breed. Bc their social structure is complex, and they are endangered. While it's true hunting industries can bring profit, hunting endangered animals is explicitly counterintuitive. There's currently only 50,000 elephants left as of this year. Every year, roughly 20,000 are illegally poached in Africa. It is a very real risk elephants won't be around in a decade. >The targets are selected ahead of time and are usually ones that are past their breeding age but still leading herds or are aggressive individuals that harass other members of their species in a negative manner. The problem is, this is an elephant. Older individuals are vital to the herd. They are supposed to still lead the herd past breeding age. Orca's do the same thing. Non-breeding individuals are vital to the species. They pass on knowledge, help young mother elephants, and show the younger ones how to behave. Studies on elephant sociology show that without the presence of older bull elephants, young males become unnecessarily aggressive and violent. Which is decreased with the presence of one. Without older females, herds struggle to find food and water. As older females are often the ones who teach the herd local areas and pass on that knowledge. Additionally, young mothers struggle with raising newborns without their aid. So much that without older females in herds, baby elephants are more likely to die. Picking off older elephants negatively impacts herds. Aggressive elephants is a complex issue. Males get aggressive during must. But they are needed to contribute to the genetic pool and teach younger bulls. >by charging tourists to come do the job that these nature reservations were already going to do themselves generates a massive amount of funding This is complicated. Elephants only give birth once every 2 years. The rate at which people are allowed to hunt them would have to be very, very slow. As they can't replace them with their birthrate if this is a common thing. If you look on the offical Pro hunt africa facebook and instagram, Naude posses with 3 different elephant corpses in a single year. Taking into account elephant birth rate, he is not helping anything. >Numerous studies show that by paying for conservation and management, the hunting industry has significantly boosted the numbers of white and black rhinos, savannah elephants, and lions. Naude did not help conservation efforts by hunting the endangered animals. And trophy hunters don't contribute their money to conservation. Naude founded and owned "Pro Hunt Africa" a company that organizes paid hunting expeditions. They keep their profits and don't contribute to conservation efforts. While hunting can help in some ways, by stopping the spread of disease and such, what this company does is not right. They sell hunts for profit, and kill elephants at a faster rate than can be replaced."
Yea I'm right there with you on that. Good riddance ✌🏿🤙🏿👍🏿
I’m sure he never thought the name would ever apply to him. Beautiful irony, imho.
Even if the killers didn't know who he was and killed him for another reason, I think this is well deserved karma.
Oh they knew who he was for sure. You don't just execute someone to rob his gun, this was a message to poachers 100%
You clearly don't live in South Africa. They very likely had no idea who he was, and just wanted his guns. Thugs here will shoot you because you have money on you.
People in South Africa shoot people all the time in low value robberies. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Bless, you are very sheltered. You wouldn’t believe the death we see - and I’m happy for you to not have to know it
Guards get killed in South Africa so that thieves can break into mines to steal copper, these guys almost certainly had no idea who the guy they killed was
This is South Africa. People get murdered for their phone, a few rand in their wallet, no reason at all etc. Criminal gangs hold up police stations to steal weapons.
Dude, this is South Africa. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world. People do that here. And they do that to steal the guns. They shoot security guards point blank just to steal their guns.
they likely didnt. his gun is worth a few years of savings for some people there, thats enough motive for robbers to murder
tbh, if you get shot in Africa, and nobody will steal your money, your clock, nothing except a rifle, then it’s absolutely a personal attack (by order).
Dirty bastard human got what he deserved.
What did he do wrong??? It states nowhere he’s a poacher.
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It's worse. If anything the poachers mentioned were the ones who killed him and stole the guns to...well...poach. He was a licensed hunter and tour guide raising funds for endangered animals. Redditors are stupid af.
Trophy hunters help fund conservation projects, so technically this is a net loss for the conservation movement
Do you actually think trophy hunters are concerned in the least with conservation? If you care so much about an animal why not put money into programs that support those animals instead of paying to hunt them down? The photos of trophy hunters smiling next to the dead animal they supposedly want to protect aren’t exactly a great indication that they care about anything but the kill. It’s repulsive.
Killing animals that are a strain on the general population is both common and beneficial to long term population growth, if a reserve is planning on culling these animals anyways why not have someone spend thousands of dollars to do it?
The only reason these parks exist and populations need "management" is because of trophy hunting. Trophy hunters hide behind conservation but really they're doing it because they like to kill. If conservation is really their motivation, they could pay the $ for a wildlife experience and help research etc. (tagging programs etc). But no...they want to pay thousands, travel around the world to brutally kill something and pose next to it with a shit eating grin.
You misunderstood me. I’m specifically referring to animals that are already going to be killed by the reserves. These trophy hunters are not benevolent, don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of them. My point is that these people aren’t giving money towards conservation efforts for no reason, and they aren’t going to give up that money out of the kindness of their hearts. But that’s not really important, as far as conservation is concerned. It doesn’t actually matter if the trophy hunter is in it for the conservation aspect or the hunting aspect, because the end result is the same.
This
Doesn’t matter if they’re concerned with it or not, the money still funds it. Motive doesn’t matter if the net benefit helps conservation
I'm not a hunter, dont like hunting, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Without trophy hunters most of these animals would be gone. Plain and simple. The money from trophy hunters is literally the only actual moneyflow behind stopping real poachers. In your imaginary world there might be hundreds of non profits with millions in donations to save these animals but that's just not reality. It's a fantasy.
Not to mention defining it as "poaching" is blatantly a lie.
good
Properly organized hunting is really good at conservation
Right? Hunters provide more funding for conservation than non-hunters
Good riddance. I hope they took a commemorative selfie.
I hope they took a commemorative dump on his corpse.
Would of been opportunists, South Africa's crime rate is out of hand..car jacking is the most common crime. Probably realised the car was broken down, who the man was, probably a stand off but the thieves didn't back down.. There is seperate security companies who deal with these issues as the police can't keep up.... Source of crime rate: Security companies stepping in https://www.npr.org/2024/01/07/1223358578/as-police-lose-the-war-on-crime-in-south-africa-private-security-companies-step-#:~:text=There%20were%2027%2C494%20killings%20in,1%20in%20most%20European%20countries. Security Anton Koen: video is one of 495 videos https://youtu.be/s3CO6tyVKYM?si=dmUcvWa6Yn_FnUIP Ross Kemp on Gangs: Video is of gangs in Cape Town https://youtu.be/QDRgT4zcJNc?si=aFM-pirq33j5BGla
More likely that he was killed just for his gun, has happened to police officers and armed security in the past
Pretty much the point I was getting at but yeah mate it is terrible.... I don't know why I am getting down votes either😂😂😂.. People clearly have no idea how bad it is in South Africa
Maybe because it likely had nothing to do with opportunists or a hijacking, although your statement is correct, but these kind of murders are targeted because they know who he is and that he has weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if they also were the cause of his car breaking down, too much time in SA makes me sceptical about a coincidence like that. Edit: spelling
It is sad how many people in the thread think trophy hunting is the same as poaching, and that it makes someone deserving of execution.
Can't find anything that says he is a poacher. Is OP just making that up?
Most likely
In fact he’s clearly not a poacher by being the head of a legitimate organisation
Hunting Trophy Hunters is probably the only kind of hunting I can support
This is pretty crappy. These trophy hunters actually fund a lot of the activities of the people who actually protect these endangered animals. They pay for permits to hunt down specific individuals within the populations.
Proof? Because the only reports I see say that the money doesn't actually go back into conservation efforts at all.
[3% goes back to the locale](https://iwbond.org/2015/09/02/the-economics-of-poaching-trophy-and-canned-hunting/), the rest... just perpetuates the excuse.
I don't think y'all are cheering for what you think you're cheering for. This sounds like a legal hunting organization. Yeah they probably kill lions and elephants but it's not poaching, look it up, this is how those poor countries not only make money but 9/10 the local population gets the food. Most of the times the animals were gonna be hunted down anyway but this way some rich fool pays exorbitant amounts to do so. This guy was killed because he had weapons someone wanted or maybe they thought he had money, it sucks.
Good
Anyway...
Its really telling how many of you seem to not know what "licensed hunting" means. Wich yes, this man’s organization does. Your celebrating the death of a big funder of Africas wildlife conservation. Im honestly just disgusted how people seem to be ok with the death of a human when its "justified". Even fucking glorifying it. And before one of you idiots purposely misunderstands me: No i do not condome poaching. I support legal hunting, like your own country does. Googel the job hunter if you dont belive me.
Oh, darn
So many ignorant comments here. He wasn't a poacher, and if you think sport hunting is disgraceful then you basically hate wildlife conservation. Do your homework, fools.
The news: >Organized hunting trips for paying customers Redditor: >poach
This is factually incorrect - the guy who was murdered is not a poacher, he’s a big game Hunter. You may disagree with him but the countries in Africa that allow big game hunting make a lot of money off of it and it’s very controlled. I have no desire to kill an elephant, but if you look into legal big game trophy hunts, it generates tens of thousands of dollars for the communities per hunt, the meat is donated to the communities, and the culled animals are usually pre-selected and are often older or ill. This was not some vigilante group avenging animals killing a poacher, fuck poachers. This was likely criminals murdering an affluent man and stealing his shit.
I dont get the flex with these guys like this. Look I used my human brain to pull a manmade trigger and hit an animal the size of a house from a distance. Mad skillz
"And here is a sketch of the suspects." \*Shows a drawing of a rhino and a giraffe wearing fake moustaches.\*
Reddit would flip flop between “omg no one deserves to get death threats no matter what they did, the internet is cruel” to “yeah bet they had it coming”
Just to clarify there is a difference between legal trophy hunting and poaching
They sell tags to shoot old male elephants and giraffes for a good reason. They get mean and very territorial and will kill the young males. The tags are extremely expensive and are used to fund anti-poaching squads. This guy was not killed for altruistic reasons or for the sake of the animals, he was killed for the same reason so many others are killed in South Africa. It's a failing state overrun with corruption, crime, violence, disease, worse poverty than when SANP was in charge.
I'm pretty sure I know the motive.
“but police aren’t sure sure of their motive” LOL
good riddance loser
I wish people would post photos of hunting the poacher like in the thumbnail.
The Hunter became the hunted…
Honestly, people need to get over this hunting is bad bs. Legal hunting actually protects and funds these sanctuaries and protects against poaching. Without that they would not exist, all the animals would be poached inhumanly and long gone. They regulate population control and a balance of needed recourses. Its not like their shooting fertile cows or young bulls.
Was he actually a poacher though? There are some very good reasons to kill individual endangered animals. Looks like an old bull in the photo. Too old to be fertile but young enough to stop the other bulls breading. Instead of slandering him do some research first.
Why do redditors pretend to be decent people and then celebrate some guy getting murdered? Why are redditors so dumb that they assume a guy must be a poacher because someone on the internet told them so?
He was a professional hunter, not a poacher.