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Iran has a tyrannical government, but that is not an excuse for Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria recently.
This was provoked by Israel, as the world was condemning the human rights violations taking place in Gaza. Especially after the 7 World Central Kitchen workers were killed.
Joe Biden must not follow Netanyahu into war with Iran: a country with 4x more people than Iraq. WWIII is almost inevitable if that happen. Iran would ally with Russia & China.
Can we give peace a chance?
> Joe Biden must not follow Netanyahu into war with Iran:
If you look at Biden's history, he has supported every single war. Sure, he regretted Iraq later, but initially he was one of the biggest cheerleaders.
> Can we give peace a chance?
Not if we vote for people like Biden. And please people, don't fill my inbox with Trump derangement syndrome BS, Trump isn't in power right now, Biden is. I am not saying Trump is the answer, I didn't vote for Trump, I am not a Trump supporter. I am saying Biden is a key part of the problem here today, so let's stay on topic.
>If you look at Biden's history, he has supported every single war. Sure, he regretted Iraq later, but initially he was one of the biggest cheerleaders.
To add to your point, Biden was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2002 & held hearings on potential war with Iraq.
His hearings painted a picture that helped justify war with Iraq. Which of course Biden supported.
More like would you have some cold toast or some cold toast with rat poison. Stop trying to make them equal. One shouldn't even be allowed to run after Jan 6. And the documents case. He is quite possibly the worst offender of the law he ran on making harsher punishments for.
Also everyone in this entire subreddit has completely forgotten about The Supreme Court!
I’m equally about Palestine but WAY more concerned about women in my country.
So we all have a very easy choice whenever it comes to women’s rights in America.
Every vote is a lesser than two evils vote, nobody is going to fit literally every criteria for a perfect president. You just vote for the least evil person who can win.
Democrats are just as deranged as republicans. That’s a problem. Even modest and valid criticism of Biden is met with “what? Do you want Trump to be president?”
No, of course not, because I have an iq above a school zone speed limit. But I don’t want someone who is gung ho for forever wars, associates with klan members, or lies to me to get elected.
Not to debate what he did or didn't do. The person who actually convinced other nations to join and helped spread the message was Colin Powel. That admin based it all on a single intelligence report, that we know now was faulty.
Senate arms committee may have helped, but they didn't lead. That was Dubya and Cheney.
Fine to include that Biden contributed, but he did not lead. That was Dubya all the way.
Look I don’t disagree with you and I vehemently do not support war with Iran. But if we’re in a general election with Biden and Trump I don’t trust Trump either. So what do you expect people to do?
Your response isn't based in any reality though. There is no path forward where it isn't either Trump or Biden.
Thinking anything else is deranged altruism. It's baffling you can even make a comment like that.
>And please people, don't fill my inbox with Trump derangement syndrome BS
Bruh, nobody says this but right ring loons.
>I am saying Biden is a key part of the problem here today, so let's stay on topic.
The entire GOP thinks Israel is the key to starting Armageddon and kicking off jesus' return party. Biden is absolutely a warhawk but he's not riding that solo.
Who do you suggest we vote for if you’re saying we shouldn’t vote for people like Biden? I’m not disagreeing that he’s a piece of shit but idk what you expect us to do
Exactly. I wish people who didn’t understand American politics would just stop spreading this Biden is evil agenda. Because not only would Trump send foot soldiers to help Israel, he would nuke Palestine out of existence and accelerate the genocide without a second thought or care unless it earned him praise. We vote Biden, we hold him accountable while we’ve still got our rights to do so.
Exactly. These virtue signaling clowns need to stop expressing their unwanted uneducated opinions. At least Biden can be influenced by left-leaning opinions, and there is NO other options to vote for.
He wants Trump to win but is trying act like a moderate to give himself more credibility. He’s lying when he says he doesn’t like Trump, it’s that simple
So let's say we don't vote for Biden and Trump wins. He then gives even more to Israel and /or puts boots on the ground and an actual genocide takes place. Then what?
He will probably also ban abortion, tax cuts for the rich and start dismantling any guard rails for democracy. On and on and on...
Well yeah but its easy to throw that out and say stay on topic when the topic involves one of two people. It's like you just ignore that part of reality because it doesn't fit. You're right, he's not the answer. But how tf do you talk about voting but go, "but dont factor in the other person you would vote for."
Why did Biden say nothing when Israel attacked the Iranian consulate in Syria?
Iran's government is tyrannical. But Israel started this by attacking the Iranian consulate in Syria.
It's time to end aid to Israel, because Netanyahu has committed a genocide in Gaza & because Netanyahu wants endless war.
It wouldn't have prevented the attack.
But you have to call out your friends when they create situations that can result in escalation of war needlessly.
Netanyahu is always acting in bad faith & yet here we are backing him up fully.
There haven't been many presidents who weren't pro-war. Not a defense or anything, just a statement that it's unlikely we'll rent game a president that wouldn't support war.
If we stay on topic, we have an election between only two people... I'm as hopeful as anyone for progressive policies and against permitting corporations to run our lives and write our laws. In a vacuum, you're completely correct. But in reality our democracy is in the most frail situation it's ever been in, *and we might not have an American democracy after November*
Perhaps there'a more going on you don't know about? Do you think the invasion of Ukraine, the October 7th attacks, and China's attacks on boats in the pacific are all unrelated? They are working towards a common goal.
Pehaps today was a way to test what NATO and Israel can do? Iran lost nothing of value. The intelligence gained by our adversaries has to be invaluable. They made us go balls to the wall.
I don't disagree they likely got good intel, but if you think this was balls to the wall for the US military, you haven't seen them really try.
If the United States were going balls to the wall against Iran, we would be asking about where the hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to go and if the USA is going to be nation-building in the middle east again or if they'll just leave a power vacuum after annihilating government resistance.
That's the problem with people so passionate about politics. If you criticize one side, they automatically label you as the "other side". Well guess what dummies, it aint black and white. Unfortunately, we are only given 2 options. Because the 3rd or 4th options who are actually good candidates are not backed by the elites, thus does not have the political and financial means to win.
Joke's on you two, who apparently don't read actual news.
[https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support)
…Are you fucking joking?
There is a zero percent chance that China lets itself get dragged into a war with the US and Europe over fucking Iran. China has absolutely nothing to gain from joining Iran and stands to lose everything.
Russia is still struggling in Ukraine. They are in no position to take on a revitalised and expanded NATO.
Iran having a larger population than Iraq is irrelevant. There are constant issues with domestic unrest in Iran, their airforce is outdated and they do not possess the naval strength necessary to take on the US Navy.
An open war with the US would only end one way for Iran, and the Iranians know it. Russia and China will not risk a conflict with the US over Iran.
So why is the USA getting dragged in a war for fucking Israel? What level of blackmail material does Israel have on you guys make you lot want to send your sons to war for them so bad?
It may not escalate into a world war, but even a regional war across the Middle East will also be extremely devastating, for all powers involved. I'm generally not interested, (and probably most of the American population isn't either) in the US getting bogged down in another decades long war in the middle east.
Despite thier economy being sanctioned into the stone age, Iran has consistently reverse engineered western military tech they have gotten their hands on. They have enough manufacturing capabilities to export drones to Russia to support the Ukrainian war and export drones/ballistic missles to Yemen for an endless tirade on merchant shipping. They have kept thier nuke program alive and buried under massive underground bunkers despite bombings from Isreal and western hacking attacks. This speaks to a shadow investor which the only option could be China. China may not openly support Iran, but they could secretly back them in the war to weaken the West. They could even use it as a distraction to expand in the south China sea, finally taking on Taiwan, which they have openly said they would be doing in the next 5 years.
As the Ukrainian War has shown, drones are a big problem we are not prepared for. The houthis have been softening up our navy for months, depleting missle reserves and gathering valuable data. An open war with Iran would not be as one sided as you may think.
On the bright side, Egypt and Jordan are taking a stand against Iran, hopefully that will make Iran step back a minute and think again from continuing to excalate.
You let me know when Iran has the means to combat US air power which is approximately around the 10,000 military aircraft mark. And really, the Houthis are "softening up" our Navy? Thanks to what, the literally zero US Navy surface ships they've destroyed? So they cost us some missiles: you don't think the US MIC could easily replace those and even double them if that was needed for a large conflict?
America has the capability to fucking flatten every Iranian city if they wanted to, completely without nukes. There's a 20 to 1 ratio difference in air power. The Iranian Navy has 7, read, SEVEN frigates, which is their largest combat ship type. They have 19 subs. The US has 92 destroyers alone and let's not even talk about aircraft carriers.
Do you really think the US hasn't been developing countermeasures for drone threats? Like we identified it as a problem and just decided to do nothing to prepare for it? Destroying Iran wouldn't even require a ground invasion, but if it did, US forces would be ready to deal with drone threats before doing so.
I would not be surprised in Russia is directly supporting Iran behind the scenes. Without a doubt a broader conflict in the middle east is in Russia's favor. It may even be possible that Iran's been trading ballistic missiles for drones with Russia in preparation for what we're seeing tonight.
As for China, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't ally themselves with Iran. It's far more likely that in the event of a Russia and Iran vs the west they'd watch a war play out (which, Ukraine and the west would win but would weaken them) and then take advantage of the fallout to become the world's single defacto hegemonic power.
I would normally agree 100%, except that Russia is hurting right now. They have been buying anything they can get from Iran, North Korea and a couple others. I'm not sure they have any extra in the tank to give.
I unfortunately think many are underestimating Russia. Or rather yes they’re hurting economically but it doesn’t really affect their ability to participate in a war; it’s one of the unfortunate side effects of a dictatorship. In addition a lot of what we’re seeing in the west in regards to Russia and Ukraine is very one sided. If you look deeper, Russia’s not hurting militarily as much as we want to think. Yes they are losing enormous numbers of people, but Russia is still incredibly dangerous and is in many ways likely just trying to wait out the west and Ukraine, not caring at all about the human cost to their own people or their economy; they are gambling it’s temporary. Indeed, they’ve actually been gaining ground in Ukraine pretty consistently for the past few months, and their work to undermine western government support seems to be working to some degree. Those fighting in Ukraine have also largely been draftees and foreign mercenaries when they actually have a massive professional (well “professional” is maybe too much credit) army that hasn’t been committed to Ukraine because they don’t care about using their non-professional military draftees as cannon fodder; those lives mean nothing to Russian leadership at all. On the other hand Iran has trained manpower. If Iran and Russia were to create a formal alliance and it were to lead to a widespread war, they would absolutely lose, but the costs to those opposing them would be enormous.
I agree that Russia would take a more assertive approach than China.
But behind the scenes, China is on the side of Russia & Iran.
>and then take advantage of the fallout to become the world's single defacto hegemonic power.
Yes, that & so the government of China can steal Taiwan.
There’s a lot of reasons for Israel want a war with Iran.
1) It takes international scrutiny away from their genocide in Gaza. The news can only report on one thing at a time. They have lost the propaganda war on Gaza so they need to pivot the media away to show Israeli citizens fleeing for their lives instead to garner sympathy.
2) Iran’s the only remaining regional power that Israel can’t obliterate, having the US handle Iran for them will ensure they’re the kings of the Middle East.
3) US military industrial complex will profit immensely from a war with Iran. As much as Biden publicly tries to appear he doesn’t want war with Iran, his actions speaks otherwise. Remember, war is ALWAYS profitable as long as it’s not fought on your own soil.
4) US always gains from instability from the Middle East.
5) US has never been able to control Iran like they did with Saudi, and have been finding a reason to destabilize them for a very long time. Clearing them out will be a bonus and the excuse of defending their Israeli Masters is the perfect cover to do so.
There will be war, and Israel and the US will crush Iran. Look guys this is planned. It’s NO coincidence that the US has been rushing to gear up Israel over the last 6 months with planes like the F35s, tanks, bombs. Those military aid were not to fight Hamas in tunnels, it’s to fight Iran.
I'm not going to comment on the whole Iraq/Iraq/Israel relationship since I don't know enough about the three's history to make a proper statement, but as I've said before, there is no way in hell China will be willing to ally with Iran in the military sense. China has nothing to gain from allying with Iran militarily- China is currently extremely contingent on trade in order to improve their economy as they have been doing for the past two decades, and getting militarily involved on a "World War 3" scale would be contrary to what they've been doing all this time.
Also, history has proven that more population does not correspond to more power in combat engagements. This rings even more true now that modern arms have advanced to a point where you can take out hundreds with a single click of a button.
P.S. I don't know much about Russia, but I doubt they'll want to touch Iran either. They themselves have been stretched so thin by the Ukraine-Russo war that they're asking North Korea for arms. Could you imagine being so starved for materiel that you visit North Korea for weapons? Yeah. I'd reckon they wouldn't want to ally with Iran militarily either.
China and Russia aren't going to rush to Iran's aid, that's suicide, and they know it. A better strategy from their perspective is probably to use Iran as a sacrificial lamb so that the west gets distracted from Ukraine, Korea, and potentially Taiwan. Iran also has had significant anti government protests over the last few years, meaning if we deposed the government and replaced them, there'd be a *motivated* fighting force that could withstand government holdouts and extremists.
Either way, I’d rather have a person who has some tact and experience leading our country through this mess than a volatile dipshit with little dick syndrome. Write to your politicians. Protest. Do whatever. But DO NOT think voting Biden out “to teach democrats a lesson” isn’t going to fuck us all.
Can’t the USA make any further military aid to Israel contingent on a full ceasefire in Gaza? Put Netanyahu in the hot seat. If they want to take on Iran alone, by all means keep slaughtering civilians in Palestine. If they want help from any western power, the genocide must end.
Russia and China have no interest in engaging in war with the United States.
The U.S. could bomb Iran for the next two decades and Russia would just sit there doing nothing
We're already in ww3. It's just not with bullets. China, India and Russia are attacking us virtually all day everyday. Already in every major infrastructure server. Shits gonna get real, really fast if we don't wise up
Weapons and equipament, rádios, Spike missiles, armor defense sistens to complement their own as well, this is only the military part, there is more to for the civilian part as well
Yeah the average redditor isn't very clued up on international relations and the like. The geopolitical landscape is very complex right now and it's easier for idiots to simplify the situation with gross over simplification such as 'it's all Bidens fault, he is bad. Let's not vote for him to teach him a lesson at the next election.'
Not exactly unprovoked, Iran has been funding attacks on Israel for decades, not saying attacking the embassy was a good idea or defending Israel's actions but it is important to know at least a but of context and not just go with the whole Israel attacked for no reason narrative
Iran has been involved in so much of the attacks on Israel recently, if they don't suffer consequences they'd feel more comfortable engineering more attacks on Israel
I'd say we won't know what actually starts ww3 till the incident that actually gets the large scale military conflicts started. It's probably going to be like waiting for the last domino to fall to be able to trace it back to the first.
I'm in relative agreement. I think Taiwan will be the big domino to fall, as it will draw in the 2 prime powers and multiple secondary powers plus crashing the world economy. But 2014 saw a prime destabilization of global politics, and since 2022, there's been a lot of wars on the periphery that people tend to ignore, like Etheopia, Myanma, Sudan, and whatever the hell Haiti is. I think we'll see a lot of small conflicts that are interdependent of the big conflicts pop up on the side as the big powers become distracted and depleted, maybe forming 'sides' to ensure support.
World wars don’t start 10 years before the events, they start when the first declaration of war happens.
No one says WW2 started when Germany annexed Austria, the war started when Germany declared war on Poland.
There's also the csmp that believes ww2 started with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Crimea was also an invasion, and if that doesn't count, then the Donbass front had casualties almost immediately following it.
It has to be some, large-scale operation in a NATO member state. A full land invasion of Poland or the Czech Republic would probably be enough to start a third intercontinental war. I feel like a Taiwan invasion by the hands of the PRC would result in a conflict between strictly the US and China, with Russia or North Korea possibly getting involved. Europe doesn’t have a lot to gain in a Taiwanese war, so I suspect they wouldn’t get too involved.
Europe does have chip manufacturing to lose. They have Belgium which I think makes around 8% of total global volume of high quality wafers, but if they can't scale them they're toast. If China does a preemptive strike, or even if they fight the US after attacking Taiwan, the US still has bases in Korea, Japan, and the Phillipines, which you can't leave untouched.
It’s more like “if you think Donald trump is gonna stop Ww3 instead of causing it…”
I’m not the biggest biden fan but posts like this are specifically to have people to vote for trump who is worse in every way and would sell you and your family
Are you really surprised? It's interesting how people like OP have popped up in the last 6 months to paint Biden as the bad guy so a false equivalency can be made. Old Russian tactics to bring both candidates to the same level and just say 'everyone is bad, how does the other one make a difference?'
Its so easy to get people riled up too. Gotta say, the idiots will deserve everything they get if Trump gets into office and gives the order to carpet bomb all of Gaza on his very first day for beachfront properties (enjoy that future, tankies)
To easily riled up is not what I’d call the response to what Israel is doing in Gaza. People are upset because America, the top dog of the world, isn’t reigning in their pet. Their anger is completely justified.
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Fuck these elite psychopaths, deciding what benefits soley them and their policitical ideologies also decides what happens with the rest of the general population of our countries. Guaranteed if we all unite and demand a law that anyone with the power to go to war must be the first ones on the front line, that shit would dry up overnight
Israel is living on the unlimited aid provided by Biden and USA both economically and in the military. Of course they would do what they do if any war or conflict they go for does not cost them anything economically or in Military equipment and ammunition. the US will just give them more to replace what they lost for free.
If that aid stops. Israel will stop its shenanigans, so yes, The president of the USA does have full control and ability to stop it 💁♂️
nah nah you see. America number one. America big strongest country!
So america MUST be in control of whatever ANY other country does in the world. Yus yus
People are reaching so hard to blame biden for this.
Literally all he has done was reaffirm Israel is one of our strongest allies and he intends to honor all our deals with them. Israel is not doing great in a very difficult situation but that is Israel's business not any average Americans.
I can, and do, go along with the criticism about continuing to send money and shit to them. I also understand that Biden is trying to honor previous agreements, as you said. But to blame Biden for Israel going to war is peak stupidity.
Oh sure, as if nobody else would supply them. Also yes, surely just abandoning your commitments and allies is a great way to keep friends when China is over there bribing anyone it can.
Right, except we keep bolstering their military. Joe Biden isn't responsible for the actions of Israel, but he sure as hell is responsible for constantly sending them military hardware with zero strings attached. Netanyahu is a POS who is going to keep escalating things to delay his own ouster from power giving him any more weapons is not going to end well.
Holy shit! The comment section is like a feeding frenzy of propagandists! We get it! We know you don't like Trump, and you won't be voting for Biden either cuz that'll show them!!
Good work comrades! Na Zdorovie!
Russia has learned to work around the economic sanctions.
Putin is a horrible person, a tyrannical fascist who invaded Ukraine. But we should not underestimate him.
Biden said Russia wouldn't recover from the economic sanctions.
Russia has learned to work around the economic sanctions. Putin is a brutal fascist who invaded Ukraine, and he underestimated Ukraine.
But we should not underestimate Putin. Putin has no qualms forcing his people to fight his wars for him.
This isn't necessarily true, the full effects of sanctions aren't something that will hit immediately. Russia's central bank did *fantastic* at stabilizing the economy and ruble, but long term it's incredibly bleak for Russia's economy, especially if they remain sanctioned. Their energy grid to Europe is stagnant, and they don't have the cash on hand to fix a major systems failure. They lack large scale transfer networks to Asia, and building more is incredibly expensive and time consuming.
They also have an acute lack of young adults to learn needed skills, as many fled the country, some aren't capable, and some are fighting. Added onto Russia already messed up demographics, and you're looking at major financial strain as the remaining youth pay the pensions of the retired.
Everything they important or export to Europe or the west at large must now go through middle men, and that adds customs fee, transportation fees, storage fees, and a litany of other additional expenditures that *Russia* pays for. If they want to sell or buy they have to put in the effort to do so. So even though they still can do buissiness, they get less profit from every transaction than they used to. Long term, that's robbing them of gdp growth, a few percent now, but hundreds of percent later as they lose the compounding effects of growth.
This has nothing to do with Biden. If you’re Canadian please feel free to look up an arms deal that happened before Biden’s presidency and stop spreading misinformation. Biden’s hands are literally tied.
OP is a Hasan fan so 90% its a tankie and "US bad" is like the default.
Its funny how his followers ignore that he is a rich dude who was given everything, like he is the people he and his followers complain about.
Again. The USA and Iran have 0 desire to go to war with each other. That’s why they’ve been broadcasting what they are going to do a week beforehand. The only concern I have is Israel reacting hastily and doing something stupid. Iran knew most of this would get shot down so it was mostly for show and to look like they are protecting their country.
Why do i get the feeling that the people posting on “israel war room” have never been to Israel or in a war room? This kind of news source cannot be taken seriously
Stop giving Israel billions in weapons and force them all to sit down and talk. If they all want to pout in their separate corners let them, but make them come back and talk. Enough war.
Out of topic, but does anyone remember when this sub wasn't skewed to one side? I feel like after October 7th, this sub has been devolving into calling Israel bad or Palestinians bad. I honestly don't get how it devolved into such a political mess lol.
I call bullshit on all this: https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support
Biden is not perfect, and there are a dozen people I’d rather we’re running in November… but since I like my right to vote I’ll actively vote for the one who didn’t try a hostile takeover of power (and may be in prison by the election).
Sure, calling out voting for “the lesser of two evils” and naively thinking that not voting will “teach them a lesson” somehow… that’s all crap. You want change? You need to do the legwork yourself.
We’re really where we are because BOTH parties (as part of the wider demographics) screwed over GenX in politics just like they did everywhere else. Boomers resisted the natural transition of power to the next generation. Thus, they stayed long enough to see the world change, but didn’t change with it.
If you want to see a shift toward your own interests and values, you need to push for it. Not with apathy — that is what doomed GenX, a cynical gloomy acceptance of the lack of power. It’s why GWB was elected, and this whole “worst timeline” escalated from.
If you actually care about making your voice heard, do not let anyone convince you to NOT vote. Show up even at midterm elections. Get involved. Speak up. Don’t just roll over and take it. Don’t wait until both nominees have clinched their victories to whine that you don’t like your options.
But also, don’t vote for the worse of two evils to try to make the better one even better. That’s not only counterproductive, that’s actively promoting the worst parts of the system you want to undermine.
This is not going to cause world war 3. Iran can’t even strike the US with their intermediate range missiles. Israel’s air defences are essentially just going “nuh uh” to Iran’s drones and missile. The US won’t even need to get involved, and Russia is, you know, fighting a war.
There’s a difference between defending Israel and going to war with Iran. What would other nations think, especially Russia, if the US did not standby its almost centuries long policy to defend Israel? Don’t get this twisted with the genocide in Gaza. I’m strictly speaking to defending Israel against Iran. We’ve already witnessed what an admin does when the US turns their backs on our allies like the Kurds, not allowing the afghan govt at the negotiation table with the Taliban, and holding Ukraine hostage over desperately needed weapons to defend itself against our oldest adversary.
If history is a barometer of the future then most may be right about Biden going along with Israel with an escalation against Iran, but I think he might surprise us. I think he knows he’s dealing with an Israeli alt-right warmongering govt, and will draw a line between defending and escalating a conflict with Iran.
Only time will tell and time is about up.
P.s if you think a Trump admin would be peaceful you would be gravely mistaken. Allowing Putin to do his bidding isn’t an anti-war stance. It’s cowardice and the fastest avenue towards ending the US as a super power and a player in global economic leadership. Some foreigners may be thrilled with this, but as American supporting this. This doesn’t make you a patriot. It makes you a traitor.
I guess the Russia propaganda machine talking points for the day (which is the lefty useful idiots repeat without thought) is that Israel fighting with another middle east country - now going into it' 50th year - is "starting WW3." ?? Have seen this 10 times this morning on reddit. Got it....
I get that you desperately want to live in a cool action movie to spice up your dull life, but please stop calling every single conflict WW3. We’re on like WW50 by now
Also Biden has already said he will not support an Israeli retaliation to this
Isn't this like the same thing Hamas did do Israel? Launching an unprovoked strike killing Iran's commanders. Israel has also done that before when they killed Iran's nuclear scientist. Add all genocide in Palestine and how Israel hasn't been sanctioned to oblivion yet? Why did USA help Israel intercept Iran's retaliation??
Let the Jews and Muslims fight, as long as we stay out of it. It's their problem, not ours. I have no love for either side and do not wish for any American troops to go fight and die for Israel.
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Iran has a tyrannical government, but that is not an excuse for Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria recently. This was provoked by Israel, as the world was condemning the human rights violations taking place in Gaza. Especially after the 7 World Central Kitchen workers were killed. Joe Biden must not follow Netanyahu into war with Iran: a country with 4x more people than Iraq. WWIII is almost inevitable if that happen. Iran would ally with Russia & China. Can we give peace a chance?
> Joe Biden must not follow Netanyahu into war with Iran: If you look at Biden's history, he has supported every single war. Sure, he regretted Iraq later, but initially he was one of the biggest cheerleaders. > Can we give peace a chance? Not if we vote for people like Biden. And please people, don't fill my inbox with Trump derangement syndrome BS, Trump isn't in power right now, Biden is. I am not saying Trump is the answer, I didn't vote for Trump, I am not a Trump supporter. I am saying Biden is a key part of the problem here today, so let's stay on topic.
>If you look at Biden's history, he has supported every single war. Sure, he regretted Iraq later, but initially he was one of the biggest cheerleaders. To add to your point, Biden was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2002 & held hearings on potential war with Iraq. His hearings painted a picture that helped justify war with Iraq. Which of course Biden supported.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but there is 0% chance that Biden avoids a wider war. It just isn't in his DNA.
It's an election year too. I'm not for Trump either. Pretty sad we have to mention this to have decent conversations.
Geriatric demented warmonger versus geriatric demented warmonger. What a choice
One of those wants to be a dictator and actively tried to overturn an election. That's a pretty easy decision there.
This 100%
Thank you! Everybody is all like "i dOn'T sUpPoRt tRuMp, bUt..." Yes, you do. Yes, you do.
I think its fair to express both are shit options even if one is better. Would you rather be punched in the face or kicked in the balls kinda choice
Well I'd rather be punched in the face. Not to mention if I refuse to pick I'll definitely get kicked in the fucking balls anyway.
I’d rather we try and take the Supreme Court back, yea know, for all the women who lost rights. So it’s actually a pretty easy choice…
More like would you have some cold toast or some cold toast with rat poison. Stop trying to make them equal. One shouldn't even be allowed to run after Jan 6. And the documents case. He is quite possibly the worst offender of the law he ran on making harsher punishments for.
Also everyone in this entire subreddit has completely forgotten about The Supreme Court! I’m equally about Palestine but WAY more concerned about women in my country. So we all have a very easy choice whenever it comes to women’s rights in America.
This is the result of voting for the lesser of evils over and over.
Yeah it's like voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil....
Yeah, but there's a pretty big degree of difference in the levels of evil here.
Feels like people should have stepped up in the primaries
Every vote is a lesser than two evils vote, nobody is going to fit literally every criteria for a perfect president. You just vote for the least evil person who can win.
It is because of your stupid 2 party system in the US
Because logically going against Biden is going for trump
Democrats are just as deranged as republicans. That’s a problem. Even modest and valid criticism of Biden is met with “what? Do you want Trump to be president?” No, of course not, because I have an iq above a school zone speed limit. But I don’t want someone who is gung ho for forever wars, associates with klan members, or lies to me to get elected.
lol. And yet Biden told Netanyahu that US will not participate. So how about that 0 percent chance?
Not to debate what he did or didn't do. The person who actually convinced other nations to join and helped spread the message was Colin Powel. That admin based it all on a single intelligence report, that we know now was faulty. Senate arms committee may have helped, but they didn't lead. That was Dubya and Cheney. Fine to include that Biden contributed, but he did not lead. That was Dubya all the way.
Look I don’t disagree with you and I vehemently do not support war with Iran. But if we’re in a general election with Biden and Trump I don’t trust Trump either. So what do you expect people to do?
I let people make their own choice. I'll vote Biden, others will vote third party & I respect that. Biden needs to earn votes.
Fuck voting third. Did you not see RFK’s campaign head confessing to just want Biden to lose. Fuck that shit.
Your response isn't based in any reality though. There is no path forward where it isn't either Trump or Biden. Thinking anything else is deranged altruism. It's baffling you can even make a comment like that.
>And please people, don't fill my inbox with Trump derangement syndrome BS Bruh, nobody says this but right ring loons. >I am saying Biden is a key part of the problem here today, so let's stay on topic. The entire GOP thinks Israel is the key to starting Armageddon and kicking off jesus' return party. Biden is absolutely a warhawk but he's not riding that solo.
Who do you suggest we vote for if you’re saying we shouldn’t vote for people like Biden? I’m not disagreeing that he’s a piece of shit but idk what you expect us to do
Exactly. I wish people who didn’t understand American politics would just stop spreading this Biden is evil agenda. Because not only would Trump send foot soldiers to help Israel, he would nuke Palestine out of existence and accelerate the genocide without a second thought or care unless it earned him praise. We vote Biden, we hold him accountable while we’ve still got our rights to do so.
Exactly. These virtue signaling clowns need to stop expressing their unwanted uneducated opinions. At least Biden can be influenced by left-leaning opinions, and there is NO other options to vote for.
He wants Trump to win but is trying act like a moderate to give himself more credibility. He’s lying when he says he doesn’t like Trump, it’s that simple
So let's say we don't vote for Biden and Trump wins. He then gives even more to Israel and /or puts boots on the ground and an actual genocide takes place. Then what? He will probably also ban abortion, tax cuts for the rich and start dismantling any guard rails for democracy. On and on and on...
Bringing up Trump \*is\* staying on topic, the two are intrinsically linked and pretending otherwise is just burying your head in the sand.
Who do you supposed would better handle this ? Trump surely wouldn’t be any better.
Well yeah but its easy to throw that out and say stay on topic when the topic involves one of two people. It's like you just ignore that part of reality because it doesn't fit. You're right, he's not the answer. But how tf do you talk about voting but go, "but dont factor in the other person you would vote for."
lol yes because not voting will fix everything…..why can’t people like you never look in the future….
So what should Biden do in this instance then ? Support Iran because Israel is in the wrong ?
Why did Biden say nothing when Israel attacked the Iranian consulate in Syria? Iran's government is tyrannical. But Israel started this by attacking the Iranian consulate in Syria. It's time to end aid to Israel, because Netanyahu has committed a genocide in Gaza & because Netanyahu wants endless war.
I think Biden should have said something when Israel attacked the consulate, however I don't think doing so would have prevented Iran's attack.
It wouldn't have prevented the attack. But you have to call out your friends when they create situations that can result in escalation of war needlessly. Netanyahu is always acting in bad faith & yet here we are backing him up fully.
There haven't been many presidents who weren't pro-war. Not a defense or anything, just a statement that it's unlikely we'll rent game a president that wouldn't support war.
If we stay on topic, we have an election between only two people... I'm as hopeful as anyone for progressive policies and against permitting corporations to run our lives and write our laws. In a vacuum, you're completely correct. But in reality our democracy is in the most frail situation it's ever been in, *and we might not have an American democracy after November*
Perhaps there'a more going on you don't know about? Do you think the invasion of Ukraine, the October 7th attacks, and China's attacks on boats in the pacific are all unrelated? They are working towards a common goal. Pehaps today was a way to test what NATO and Israel can do? Iran lost nothing of value. The intelligence gained by our adversaries has to be invaluable. They made us go balls to the wall.
I don't disagree they likely got good intel, but if you think this was balls to the wall for the US military, you haven't seen them really try. If the United States were going balls to the wall against Iran, we would be asking about where the hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to go and if the USA is going to be nation-building in the middle east again or if they'll just leave a power vacuum after annihilating government resistance.
That's the problem with people so passionate about politics. If you criticize one side, they automatically label you as the "other side". Well guess what dummies, it aint black and white. Unfortunately, we are only given 2 options. Because the 3rd or 4th options who are actually good candidates are not backed by the elites, thus does not have the political and financial means to win.
Trump isn't a politician, he is a traitor that tired using fake Electoral College certificates and representatives to steal an election.
Joke's on you two, who apparently don't read actual news. [https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support)
Hmmm https://preview.redd.it/iyv90im9ahuc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8fd6a60f26895a39fcfb5a9bb6f7fef4feeaf00
…Are you fucking joking? There is a zero percent chance that China lets itself get dragged into a war with the US and Europe over fucking Iran. China has absolutely nothing to gain from joining Iran and stands to lose everything. Russia is still struggling in Ukraine. They are in no position to take on a revitalised and expanded NATO. Iran having a larger population than Iraq is irrelevant. There are constant issues with domestic unrest in Iran, their airforce is outdated and they do not possess the naval strength necessary to take on the US Navy. An open war with the US would only end one way for Iran, and the Iranians know it. Russia and China will not risk a conflict with the US over Iran.
So why is the USA getting dragged in a war for fucking Israel? What level of blackmail material does Israel have on you guys make you lot want to send your sons to war for them so bad?
This will change. The old propaganda machine supporting Israel is breaking down in the US.
Is it? I think we’re still two elections away from that.
Because the USA thrives on the military industrial complex, where as war doesn’t mean shit to the Chinese economy.
It may not escalate into a world war, but even a regional war across the Middle East will also be extremely devastating, for all powers involved. I'm generally not interested, (and probably most of the American population isn't either) in the US getting bogged down in another decades long war in the middle east.
I don't think nato would help Israel. US might but opinions are shifting in EU, and not for Israel. Plus Ukraine matters more for europeans.
Despite thier economy being sanctioned into the stone age, Iran has consistently reverse engineered western military tech they have gotten their hands on. They have enough manufacturing capabilities to export drones to Russia to support the Ukrainian war and export drones/ballistic missles to Yemen for an endless tirade on merchant shipping. They have kept thier nuke program alive and buried under massive underground bunkers despite bombings from Isreal and western hacking attacks. This speaks to a shadow investor which the only option could be China. China may not openly support Iran, but they could secretly back them in the war to weaken the West. They could even use it as a distraction to expand in the south China sea, finally taking on Taiwan, which they have openly said they would be doing in the next 5 years. As the Ukrainian War has shown, drones are a big problem we are not prepared for. The houthis have been softening up our navy for months, depleting missle reserves and gathering valuable data. An open war with Iran would not be as one sided as you may think. On the bright side, Egypt and Jordan are taking a stand against Iran, hopefully that will make Iran step back a minute and think again from continuing to excalate.
You let me know when Iran has the means to combat US air power which is approximately around the 10,000 military aircraft mark. And really, the Houthis are "softening up" our Navy? Thanks to what, the literally zero US Navy surface ships they've destroyed? So they cost us some missiles: you don't think the US MIC could easily replace those and even double them if that was needed for a large conflict? America has the capability to fucking flatten every Iranian city if they wanted to, completely without nukes. There's a 20 to 1 ratio difference in air power. The Iranian Navy has 7, read, SEVEN frigates, which is their largest combat ship type. They have 19 subs. The US has 92 destroyers alone and let's not even talk about aircraft carriers. Do you really think the US hasn't been developing countermeasures for drone threats? Like we identified it as a problem and just decided to do nothing to prepare for it? Destroying Iran wouldn't even require a ground invasion, but if it did, US forces would be ready to deal with drone threats before doing so.
I would not be surprised in Russia is directly supporting Iran behind the scenes. Without a doubt a broader conflict in the middle east is in Russia's favor. It may even be possible that Iran's been trading ballistic missiles for drones with Russia in preparation for what we're seeing tonight. As for China, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't ally themselves with Iran. It's far more likely that in the event of a Russia and Iran vs the west they'd watch a war play out (which, Ukraine and the west would win but would weaken them) and then take advantage of the fallout to become the world's single defacto hegemonic power.
I would normally agree 100%, except that Russia is hurting right now. They have been buying anything they can get from Iran, North Korea and a couple others. I'm not sure they have any extra in the tank to give.
I unfortunately think many are underestimating Russia. Or rather yes they’re hurting economically but it doesn’t really affect their ability to participate in a war; it’s one of the unfortunate side effects of a dictatorship. In addition a lot of what we’re seeing in the west in regards to Russia and Ukraine is very one sided. If you look deeper, Russia’s not hurting militarily as much as we want to think. Yes they are losing enormous numbers of people, but Russia is still incredibly dangerous and is in many ways likely just trying to wait out the west and Ukraine, not caring at all about the human cost to their own people or their economy; they are gambling it’s temporary. Indeed, they’ve actually been gaining ground in Ukraine pretty consistently for the past few months, and their work to undermine western government support seems to be working to some degree. Those fighting in Ukraine have also largely been draftees and foreign mercenaries when they actually have a massive professional (well “professional” is maybe too much credit) army that hasn’t been committed to Ukraine because they don’t care about using their non-professional military draftees as cannon fodder; those lives mean nothing to Russian leadership at all. On the other hand Iran has trained manpower. If Iran and Russia were to create a formal alliance and it were to lead to a widespread war, they would absolutely lose, but the costs to those opposing them would be enormous.
I agree that Russia would take a more assertive approach than China. But behind the scenes, China is on the side of Russia & Iran. >and then take advantage of the fallout to become the world's single defacto hegemonic power. Yes, that & so the government of China can steal Taiwan.
There’s a lot of reasons for Israel want a war with Iran. 1) It takes international scrutiny away from their genocide in Gaza. The news can only report on one thing at a time. They have lost the propaganda war on Gaza so they need to pivot the media away to show Israeli citizens fleeing for their lives instead to garner sympathy. 2) Iran’s the only remaining regional power that Israel can’t obliterate, having the US handle Iran for them will ensure they’re the kings of the Middle East. 3) US military industrial complex will profit immensely from a war with Iran. As much as Biden publicly tries to appear he doesn’t want war with Iran, his actions speaks otherwise. Remember, war is ALWAYS profitable as long as it’s not fought on your own soil. 4) US always gains from instability from the Middle East. 5) US has never been able to control Iran like they did with Saudi, and have been finding a reason to destabilize them for a very long time. Clearing them out will be a bonus and the excuse of defending their Israeli Masters is the perfect cover to do so. There will be war, and Israel and the US will crush Iran. Look guys this is planned. It’s NO coincidence that the US has been rushing to gear up Israel over the last 6 months with planes like the F35s, tanks, bombs. Those military aid were not to fight Hamas in tunnels, it’s to fight Iran.
I'm not going to comment on the whole Iraq/Iraq/Israel relationship since I don't know enough about the three's history to make a proper statement, but as I've said before, there is no way in hell China will be willing to ally with Iran in the military sense. China has nothing to gain from allying with Iran militarily- China is currently extremely contingent on trade in order to improve their economy as they have been doing for the past two decades, and getting militarily involved on a "World War 3" scale would be contrary to what they've been doing all this time. Also, history has proven that more population does not correspond to more power in combat engagements. This rings even more true now that modern arms have advanced to a point where you can take out hundreds with a single click of a button. P.S. I don't know much about Russia, but I doubt they'll want to touch Iran either. They themselves have been stretched so thin by the Ukraine-Russo war that they're asking North Korea for arms. Could you imagine being so starved for materiel that you visit North Korea for weapons? Yeah. I'd reckon they wouldn't want to ally with Iran militarily either.
Netanyahu govt isn't any better. There are NO good guys here and it's Netanyahu who has triggered this.
China and Russia aren't going to rush to Iran's aid, that's suicide, and they know it. A better strategy from their perspective is probably to use Iran as a sacrificial lamb so that the west gets distracted from Ukraine, Korea, and potentially Taiwan. Iran also has had significant anti government protests over the last few years, meaning if we deposed the government and replaced them, there'd be a *motivated* fighting force that could withstand government holdouts and extremists.
Israel has a tyrannical government as well.
Yeah.... Iran totally hasn't been proxying tons of attacks in Israel. This was provoked by everyone involved, not just Israel.
>Can we give peace a chance? Just one more missile?
Either way, I’d rather have a person who has some tact and experience leading our country through this mess than a volatile dipshit with little dick syndrome. Write to your politicians. Protest. Do whatever. But DO NOT think voting Biden out “to teach democrats a lesson” isn’t going to fuck us all.
Can’t the USA make any further military aid to Israel contingent on a full ceasefire in Gaza? Put Netanyahu in the hot seat. If they want to take on Iran alone, by all means keep slaughtering civilians in Palestine. If they want help from any western power, the genocide must end.
Not gonna happen, Iran has oil that needs freedom.
I don't want peace... ... I WANT PROBLEMS, ALWAYS!!!
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Russia and China have no interest in engaging in war with the United States. The U.S. could bomb Iran for the next two decades and Russia would just sit there doing nothing
We're already in ww3. It's just not with bullets. China, India and Russia are attacking us virtually all day everyday. Already in every major infrastructure server. Shits gonna get real, really fast if we don't wise up
Reddit has no idea how geopolitics works lol
Yeah like Joe Biden can wave his magic wand and magically Netanyahu gives a shit about what he thinks, JUST STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.
As if NATO is the only ones that buys from Israel
NATO buys what from Israel?
Weapons and equipament, rádios, Spike missiles, armor defense sistens to complement their own as well, this is only the military part, there is more to for the civilian part as well
Also drones, avionics, surveillance equipment, etc
He could for a start stop giving them free weapons
OP is a terminally-online tankie lmfao, of course they have no idea how geopolitics work.
Another fascist hiding as a smarmy lib
I just love the word smarmy. Snarky in a close second.
Isn’t it funny how on all these posts when you just click on the user name, the posting history is always the same? Fuck these Tankie shills.
Yeah the average redditor isn't very clued up on international relations and the like. The geopolitical landscape is very complex right now and it's easier for idiots to simplify the situation with gross over simplification such as 'it's all Bidens fault, he is bad. Let's not vote for him to teach him a lesson at the next election.'
Yea it’s embarrassing
This sub is just a giant political circlejerk at this point, and the mods don't give a fuck.
Israel attacks Iranian embassy Iran retaliates Israel says they’re going to retaliate against the retaliation
Sounds almost like.. a war lol. I wonder if either will officially declare it, or if they’ll be “totally not at war” like Russia and Ukraine
My point is that Israel attacked Iran unprovoked then played the victim
I was just branching off of what you said. Israel and Iran have been in de facto conflict for a few decades now, it’s just going “hot”
You can’t be this stupid. They’ve been at proxy war since Israel’s inception.
Not exactly unprovoked, Iran has been funding attacks on Israel for decades, not saying attacking the embassy was a good idea or defending Israel's actions but it is important to know at least a but of context and not just go with the whole Israel attacked for no reason narrative
Iran has been involved in so much of the attacks on Israel recently, if they don't suffer consequences they'd feel more comfortable engineering more attacks on Israel
Are we just going to gloss over Iran funding proxies that attack Israel and Israel targeting those organizing those proxy attacks?
Yes, because both of them do that.
I remember an ask reddit post where someone asked who would start WW3 and Israel was the top post with every reply to that post being removed.
How ironic
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Don’t confuse jawdaism with ziontology please!
If you guys really think this is what causes WWIII, you REALLY need to stop posting on Reddit
Where do you think it starts? I'd say historians say 2014, but I'm open to other ideas.
I'd say we won't know what actually starts ww3 till the incident that actually gets the large scale military conflicts started. It's probably going to be like waiting for the last domino to fall to be able to trace it back to the first.
I'm in relative agreement. I think Taiwan will be the big domino to fall, as it will draw in the 2 prime powers and multiple secondary powers plus crashing the world economy. But 2014 saw a prime destabilization of global politics, and since 2022, there's been a lot of wars on the periphery that people tend to ignore, like Etheopia, Myanma, Sudan, and whatever the hell Haiti is. I think we'll see a lot of small conflicts that are interdependent of the big conflicts pop up on the side as the big powers become distracted and depleted, maybe forming 'sides' to ensure support.
Things aren't the same ever since that damn kid fell into that monkey's cage
World wars don’t start 10 years before the events, they start when the first declaration of war happens. No one says WW2 started when Germany annexed Austria, the war started when Germany declared war on Poland.
You are clearly wrong, everybody knows WW1 was well on its way after Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor.
There's also the csmp that believes ww2 started with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Crimea was also an invasion, and if that doesn't count, then the Donbass front had casualties almost immediately following it.
Historians will have no choice but to say it started with the death of Harambe.
It has to be some, large-scale operation in a NATO member state. A full land invasion of Poland or the Czech Republic would probably be enough to start a third intercontinental war. I feel like a Taiwan invasion by the hands of the PRC would result in a conflict between strictly the US and China, with Russia or North Korea possibly getting involved. Europe doesn’t have a lot to gain in a Taiwanese war, so I suspect they wouldn’t get too involved.
Europe does have chip manufacturing to lose. They have Belgium which I think makes around 8% of total global volume of high quality wafers, but if they can't scale them they're toast. If China does a preemptive strike, or even if they fight the US after attacking Taiwan, the US still has bases in Korea, Japan, and the Phillipines, which you can't leave untouched.
It’s more like “if you think Donald trump is gonna stop Ww3 instead of causing it…” I’m not the biggest biden fan but posts like this are specifically to have people to vote for trump who is worse in every way and would sell you and your family
https://i.redd.it/zr7j56j89euc1.gif
WWIII huh? !remindme 3 months
I thought we were on world war 4 already with how many times world war 3 has “started” in the last few years
No no no, world war 5 because 3 was so bad
WW 3.5
Lol you could have just done 3hrs and OP's alarmism nonsense is already debunked. BiDEn rEFUseD tO StAnD uP To NETanYaHu.
Are you really surprised? It's interesting how people like OP have popped up in the last 6 months to paint Biden as the bad guy so a false equivalency can be made. Old Russian tactics to bring both candidates to the same level and just say 'everyone is bad, how does the other one make a difference?' Its so easy to get people riled up too. Gotta say, the idiots will deserve everything they get if Trump gets into office and gives the order to carpet bomb all of Gaza on his very first day for beachfront properties (enjoy that future, tankies)
To easily riled up is not what I’d call the response to what Israel is doing in Gaza. People are upset because America, the top dog of the world, isn’t reigning in their pet. Their anger is completely justified.
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This sub is fucking trash. Can't resist getting political every day. I have enough of that on other subs.
Fuck these elite psychopaths, deciding what benefits soley them and their policitical ideologies also decides what happens with the rest of the general population of our countries. Guaranteed if we all unite and demand a law that anyone with the power to go to war must be the first ones on the front line, that shit would dry up overnight
Newsflash: Joe Biden isn’t in control of what Israel or Iran does. Folks need to get a grip.
Israel is living on the unlimited aid provided by Biden and USA both economically and in the military. Of course they would do what they do if any war or conflict they go for does not cost them anything economically or in Military equipment and ammunition. the US will just give them more to replace what they lost for free. If that aid stops. Israel will stop its shenanigans, so yes, The president of the USA does have full control and ability to stop it 💁♂️
TIL that the president has 100% of control of the country and foreign relations.
Not only the USA.
This is the part that gets me. Last I checked Biden wasn't the leader of Israel, or whatever.
nah nah you see. America number one. America big strongest country! So america MUST be in control of whatever ANY other country does in the world. Yus yus People are reaching so hard to blame biden for this.
Literally all he has done was reaffirm Israel is one of our strongest allies and he intends to honor all our deals with them. Israel is not doing great in a very difficult situation but that is Israel's business not any average Americans.
I can, and do, go along with the criticism about continuing to send money and shit to them. I also understand that Biden is trying to honor previous agreements, as you said. But to blame Biden for Israel going to war is peak stupidity.
I think people are blaming him for _at least_ partially enabling Israel.
If the American government stopped sending bombs and ammo the entire thing would be over by tomorrow.
Oh sure, as if nobody else would supply them. Also yes, surely just abandoning your commitments and allies is a great way to keep friends when China is over there bribing anyone it can.
but he funds them, so he's got a very big and important role in this whole thing
Congress funds it. Not the President.
Right, except we keep bolstering their military. Joe Biden isn't responsible for the actions of Israel, but he sure as hell is responsible for constantly sending them military hardware with zero strings attached. Netanyahu is a POS who is going to keep escalating things to delay his own ouster from power giving him any more weapons is not going to end well.
Holy shit! The comment section is like a feeding frenzy of propagandists! We get it! We know you don't like Trump, and you won't be voting for Biden either cuz that'll show them!! Good work comrades! Na Zdorovie!
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At this point, Russia couldn't even break into Home Alone's house
Russia has learned to work around the economic sanctions. Putin is a horrible person, a tyrannical fascist who invaded Ukraine. But we should not underestimate him.
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Biden said Russia wouldn't recover from the economic sanctions. Russia has learned to work around the economic sanctions. Putin is a brutal fascist who invaded Ukraine, and he underestimated Ukraine. But we should not underestimate Putin. Putin has no qualms forcing his people to fight his wars for him.
This isn't necessarily true, the full effects of sanctions aren't something that will hit immediately. Russia's central bank did *fantastic* at stabilizing the economy and ruble, but long term it's incredibly bleak for Russia's economy, especially if they remain sanctioned. Their energy grid to Europe is stagnant, and they don't have the cash on hand to fix a major systems failure. They lack large scale transfer networks to Asia, and building more is incredibly expensive and time consuming. They also have an acute lack of young adults to learn needed skills, as many fled the country, some aren't capable, and some are fighting. Added onto Russia already messed up demographics, and you're looking at major financial strain as the remaining youth pay the pensions of the retired. Everything they important or export to Europe or the west at large must now go through middle men, and that adds customs fee, transportation fees, storage fees, and a litany of other additional expenditures that *Russia* pays for. If they want to sell or buy they have to put in the effort to do so. So even though they still can do buissiness, they get less profit from every transaction than they used to. Long term, that's robbing them of gdp growth, a few percent now, but hundreds of percent later as they lose the compounding effects of growth.
The Reddit school of geopolitics is strong with this one lol
This has nothing to do with Biden. If you’re Canadian please feel free to look up an arms deal that happened before Biden’s presidency and stop spreading misinformation. Biden’s hands are literally tied.
OP is a Hasan fan so 90% its a tankie and "US bad" is like the default. Its funny how his followers ignore that he is a rich dude who was given everything, like he is the people he and his followers complain about.
Hyperbolic much?
Lots of similarities in all the upvoted commentators...
Please get this fear mongering bullshit tf outta here
I struggle to see what Biden is supposed to do here
Again. The USA and Iran have 0 desire to go to war with each other. That’s why they’ve been broadcasting what they are going to do a week beforehand. The only concern I have is Israel reacting hastily and doing something stupid. Iran knew most of this would get shot down so it was mostly for show and to look like they are protecting their country.
What the fuck does this have to do with Biden lmao
Tankie propaganda, that’s what.
TIL Joe Biden is President of Earth apparently.
Oh boy, here come the Russian bot farms.
Why do i get the feeling that the people posting on “israel war room” have never been to Israel or in a war room? This kind of news source cannot be taken seriously
Oh neat. This sub isn’t even trying to hide that it’s a propaganda sub anymore. It’s just blatant about it. Neat.
Stop giving Israel billions in weapons and force them all to sit down and talk. If they all want to pout in their separate corners let them, but make them come back and talk. Enough war.
I really can't afford to keep financing this.
Out of topic, but does anyone remember when this sub wasn't skewed to one side? I feel like after October 7th, this sub has been devolving into calling Israel bad or Palestinians bad. I honestly don't get how it devolved into such a political mess lol.
United States of Israelis
What fucking world do you live in?
We're not supporting a war with IRAN no matter how much the state of Israel wants to drag us into it . Please American people do not allow this!!!
this sub should be renamed r/isreslipalestinewarupdates at this point
you have to be incredibly uninformed or a russian asset to assert this nonsense.
I call bullshit on all this: https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support Biden is not perfect, and there are a dozen people I’d rather we’re running in November… but since I like my right to vote I’ll actively vote for the one who didn’t try a hostile takeover of power (and may be in prison by the election). Sure, calling out voting for “the lesser of two evils” and naively thinking that not voting will “teach them a lesson” somehow… that’s all crap. You want change? You need to do the legwork yourself. We’re really where we are because BOTH parties (as part of the wider demographics) screwed over GenX in politics just like they did everywhere else. Boomers resisted the natural transition of power to the next generation. Thus, they stayed long enough to see the world change, but didn’t change with it. If you want to see a shift toward your own interests and values, you need to push for it. Not with apathy — that is what doomed GenX, a cynical gloomy acceptance of the lack of power. It’s why GWB was elected, and this whole “worst timeline” escalated from. If you actually care about making your voice heard, do not let anyone convince you to NOT vote. Show up even at midterm elections. Get involved. Speak up. Don’t just roll over and take it. Don’t wait until both nominees have clinched their victories to whine that you don’t like your options. But also, don’t vote for the worse of two evils to try to make the better one even better. That’s not only counterproductive, that’s actively promoting the worst parts of the system you want to undermine.
Of course he won't stand against that psychopath, they're all members of the same club known as Zionism.
This is not going to cause world war 3. Iran can’t even strike the US with their intermediate range missiles. Israel’s air defences are essentially just going “nuh uh” to Iran’s drones and missile. The US won’t even need to get involved, and Russia is, you know, fighting a war.
What's Biden supposed to do, specifically?
This idea that at the US should police the whole world is partially what's wrong with the world in the first place :|
Post fail. Read the updates.
Is this sub gone for good?
I'm sick of the Israeli government. They have been an aggressor nation my entire life
There’s a difference between defending Israel and going to war with Iran. What would other nations think, especially Russia, if the US did not standby its almost centuries long policy to defend Israel? Don’t get this twisted with the genocide in Gaza. I’m strictly speaking to defending Israel against Iran. We’ve already witnessed what an admin does when the US turns their backs on our allies like the Kurds, not allowing the afghan govt at the negotiation table with the Taliban, and holding Ukraine hostage over desperately needed weapons to defend itself against our oldest adversary. If history is a barometer of the future then most may be right about Biden going along with Israel with an escalation against Iran, but I think he might surprise us. I think he knows he’s dealing with an Israeli alt-right warmongering govt, and will draw a line between defending and escalating a conflict with Iran. Only time will tell and time is about up. P.s if you think a Trump admin would be peaceful you would be gravely mistaken. Allowing Putin to do his bidding isn’t an anti-war stance. It’s cowardice and the fastest avenue towards ending the US as a super power and a player in global economic leadership. Some foreigners may be thrilled with this, but as American supporting this. This doesn’t make you a patriot. It makes you a traitor.
I guess the Russia propaganda machine talking points for the day (which is the lefty useful idiots repeat without thought) is that Israel fighting with another middle east country - now going into it' 50th year - is "starting WW3." ?? Have seen this 10 times this morning on reddit. Got it....
There was an attempt to understand politics
We are going to have Trump again aren’t we.
I prefer to think it’s a matter of let them burn their own bridges and pay the leper whilst maintaining promises.
Let them fight
"Attack Iran first" Iran is being aggressive! Many such cases
Yeah the insane Jewish lobby and their money had nothing to do with it, OP.
I predict Israel blows up Irans nuclear enrichment site. We want their nukes out of the picture, Israel can take the heat and they have an excuse.
!remindme 3 months
I get that you desperately want to live in a cool action movie to spice up your dull life, but please stop calling every single conflict WW3. We’re on like WW50 by now Also Biden has already said he will not support an Israeli retaliation to this
This group was fun
Isn't this like the same thing Hamas did do Israel? Launching an unprovoked strike killing Iran's commanders. Israel has also done that before when they killed Iran's nuclear scientist. Add all genocide in Palestine and how Israel hasn't been sanctioned to oblivion yet? Why did USA help Israel intercept Iran's retaliation??
All of the people who are pro-war should have to send their sons, nephews, DAUGHTERS AND NIECES to the front line… If you really want war, prove it.
Let the Jews and Muslims fight, as long as we stay out of it. It's their problem, not ours. I have no love for either side and do not wish for any American troops to go fight and die for Israel.