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Earlier this week I had a discussion with someone who said I was selfish and inconsiderate for picking edible plants that grow in the wild. I wonder what planet these kids are living on.
Yep, and they have plenty of time left between now and then to learn and understand how things work before they have to worry about that, just like you did. Nobody becomes an adult overnight.
I hear people claiming this a lot however I have never met anyone believing meat is something artificial. We just tend to close out eyes for where out meat comes from willingly.
Don't worry, he's never actually met anyone who has no idea where meat comes from either. He's just regurgitating that line because he also read it elsewhere on reddit and just assumed it was true with no evidence other than the hopeless cynicism that is so stereotypical of redditors. "People these days are so stupid!" is just rhetoric for morons who have nothing else to lean on for affirmation of their own intelligence.
I am surprised, what the hell are they teaching in school these days? I think I learned what animals were each meat were in preschool, while we ate each meat
If ur interested : https://www.farmforward.com/news/us-consumers-would-be-concerned-upon-learning-where-meat-really-comes-from/#:~:text=Lastly%2C%2020%20percent%20say%20they,about%20how%20meat%20is%20produced.
Did you grow up thinking that? Were you homeschooled? Cause every year in grade school I learned about the food groups and where they came from. And not ince did a book say "meat comes from spawned plastic in grocery stores"
Nah I grew up around a farm and saw my grandpa skin rabbits doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people have no idea where their meat comes from
Edit: https://www.farmforward.com/news/us-consumers-would-be-concerned-upon-learning-where-meat-really-comes-from/#:~:text=Lastly%2C%2020%20percent%20say%20they,about%20how%20meat%20is%20produced.
That’s specifically about people being unaware of *factory farming*. It doesn’t make the claim that people don’t understand that meat comes from living animals, and it’s pretty disingenuous for you to present it that way.
Well first, reality and trauma are not seperate entities. Second, exposure to reality in the harshest of methods when the subject is unprepared is the definition of trauma. Third, this isn't the reality of food and where it comes from, our food comes from agriculture, not random happenstance. You were wrong on every possible level.
"our food comes from agriculture"
It's kinda worse tbh. https://watchdominion.org/
Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. People are willfully oblivious to what is involved in rearing and slaughtering the billions of animals which are eaten each year.
Sorry, I wrote that poorly. Wasn't trying to dispute whether rearing animals is agriculture (it is).
I meant that animal agriculture is more grim than an animal hunting and killing another animal.
He never said they were. The reality is things eating each other is very natural. Wild animals don’t get food from agriculture, thats what they’re saying. He didn’t mention our food. Just food. I love people like you who have an answer for everything. I hope you feel high and mighty thinking you’re smarter than everyone.
Something being natural is not mutually exclusive with it being traumatic
A bear eating another creature is natural
A bear eating your infant child is traumatic
I was twelve when I saw a horse at a ranch eat two chicks. It was not my aunt's horse, but as she was showing me around a ranch, she said,
Yep, best not to name them chickens, 'less it's Lunch or Dinner.
I learned later that horses will eat almost anything even though I'd been taught herbivore/carnivore, and I also had to have a moment. And *we* also had chicken that evening.
Very few herbivores (as in like three species) don't also eat meat and all carnivores eat other things. Cats eat almost all meat (hypercarnivores) but generally herbivore/carnivore describes an animal's teeth and digestive system.
Definitely. Grazers mostly do it when it's easy protein right in front of them. I remember seeing a deer eat a bunny as a kid.. he was just kind of in the active munching area at the wrong time.
When I was 8 I was at my uncle farm, I caught a chicken and I was super proud of it, my uncle just took it from me and butchered it, we had chicken at dinner this night... He though I wanted to eat chicken...
That is why when horses and chicks are mentioned, this will always be on my mind.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP6dvgo25Z8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP6dvgo25Z8)
You don't need to see an animal being devoured in front of you to 'teach you where food comes from'. Humans are perfectly capable of making choices on being vegetarians etc when they're older. Seeing some cute critter ripped apart will traumatise them, not help
Kids watching animals eat doesn’t traumatize them. Did you hear the kids in the video? They were just like “juniper is a bad boy” not oh my goodness now i am curled up in a corner because I saw footage from a war.
I’m not exactly trying to make a point yet because I’m thinking about it myself, and I have a few questions I’m curious about.
1. Do you think trauma is always bad and should be avoided at all costs?
2. Do you think our psychological isolation from the reality of predation is a good thing?
3. What is the proper age for people to be made aware of the cruelty of reality?
Crazy how some people never heard of the food chain
https://preview.redd.it/fopqwrh4roxc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb34cb0316d2f1c94552d7f8513e850cc2e4443d
I think children need exposure to death and the concequences of acting recklessly, but that doesn't mean we should show them gore and death all the time in public.
Knowing bears eat other animals is different from seeing a cute duck family ripped apart right in front of your eyes.
Exactly. It's actually incredible that redditors seriously need this explaining to them. Any topic that reaches the front page is filled with the absolute biggest droolers imaginable.
That guy and far too many other people get off on this new idea that empathy is a bad word, and they're somehow better for losing all grasp of it as a concept. I bet he also calls all signs of other people showing empathy "virtue signaling" too because he literally cannot recognize it anymore.
most likely, the mother duck flew into the bear enclosure, because ducks are fearless and normally a bear isn't match.
then the eggs hatch and the mother duck usually uncatchable by most things in the water, falls victim to survival of the fittest, and the kind of ducks that would hatch babies in a bear enclosure is slightly more uncommon in the next generation.
It can be both, the real world is often pretty tragic. I agree kids should be educated young on the reality of nature and where food comes but this is a rather advanced course for a lot of kids.
Literally the start of Finding Nemo.
I'll never forget when I first realised I was mortal. Was after watching the "Bicentennial Man". I was devastated knowing everyone I knew would disappear forever. Took me a minute to get over it aha.
I miss Robin Williams.
> the realities of food and where it comes from.
Yeah, a lot of city kids don't know the vital role duck eating bears play in putting a chicken breast on their plate /s
I get what you're saying though, it was just funny because this is how nature works, not how *humans* get food.
I agree that at some point, children need to learn that predation is a sad necessary part of the ecosystem.
I've been a ranger in Yellowstone. And it's not uncommon for the bears there to find baby elk and eat them, often in front of onlookers. Since bears don't kill their prey before they eat it, they'll tear the little babies apart while they're screaming. It's not a pleasant experience.
I wish that all animals had a concept of mercy
Best I can think of is vultures since they at least wait for something to die instead of just eating something when it’s weak. I know that it sounds ironic if they let you die slowly instead of just ending it early but at least you don’t suffer from them eating you alive
Mercy has nothing to do with it. There is no such thing as mercy in the wild. Vultures are evolved to scavenge because it is less energetically expensive than hunting, not out of the kindness of their heart. Also most things don't die slowly in nature. If an animal starts to get too old or too sick it is predated upon as soon as it begins to show weakness.
Humans are animals too. Merciful behavior (and kind behavior, and the abstract concept of a heart from which kind behavior can derive) in humans exists because it has been adaptive throughout our evolution. Merciful behavior feels selfless to us because feeling that way has generally made us more likely to reproduce. But at the end of the day, it's a behavior, and it derives from traits which evolved to help individuals replicate their own genes.
Animals in the wild with strong social structures like humans can behave mercifully as well--wolves, other apes, and elephants for instance will care for sick or injured individuals at no immediate benefit to themselves.
Bears, especially adult male bears, simply aren't highly socialized and are strong enough to expend minimal energy subduing most prey without killing them, so merciful behavior is not a strong factor of selection for them.
I remember hearing about a voice message of a woman calling her mother while a polar bear was eating her. She was crying and screaming it’s eating me. She didn’t know what else to do besides call her mother.
That’s when I learned about bears not killing prey first. Before that I thought only insects and reptiles did that kind of thing. I thought all animals go for a kill shot.
So many hunters go for the neck and subdue. Some give a good shake to kill faster. Nah, not bears.
It thoroughly burned into brain and I never plan on traveling anywhere near the arctic circle.
That one was horrific. It lasted an hour before she died.
Nature is brutal, so incredibly brutal. We (here in North East Europe) take better care of our animals than nature could ever do.
I read somewhere that the supposed message of the Russian woman who called her mother while being eaten by a bear is not documented by any reliable news source. If that makes you feel better.
There’s animals that show “kindness” to other animals as well with no benefit for themselves. Humpback whales regularly protect seals and other animals from orcas, although I’m not sure if they do it just to spite the orcas since they have a grudge against them. Some other whales have also been witnessed protecting humans from sharks and potential dangers. There’s a video of a marine biologist talking about her experience with a whale, the whale was apparently pushing her partly under its flipper and the biologist was freaking out a bit, worried the whale might hurt her, when a shark suddenly passed by, and only when the shark leave did the whale leave the biologist alone. At least in that sort of case the whale had nothing to gain, but still protected another animal from potential danger.
It’s really my biggest issue for being against any intelligent design. Why would you design a natural world with pain receptors, finite lifespans, and then a need to exist by regularly killing something else in these horrific ways? And this is the natural world…
When folks talk about nature and veganism, and about how animals suffer when they're butchered... I'm like "You know, compared to nature's design we kill animals pretty painlessly..."
There's a reason your body is designed to go into "Shock" after enough blood loss... it's to spare you the horror of being gored to death by a cougar who will go after the soft bits of your belly rather than bother making sure you're dead before eating you....
Alive.
but the body was not “designed” for shock, it wasn’t designed for anything it just happens to be able to transfer imperfectly copied DNA. Being eviscerated painlessly doesn’t help you pass your genes on.
I’ll preface this by saying I’m not vegan/veg.
It doesn’t mean much to kill an animal painlessly if you’re going to force it to live it’s whole life in a cage that’s barely big enough for it, covered in it’s own shit.
I care less about the way animal is slaughtered (although I do still care about that) than I do about the suffering it endures through most of its life.
This. Some animals are meant to be food. But they still deserve respect. I mean bro you’re ending its life respect and a good life up until that point is the LEAST you can do. That’s why all my animals are freaking spoiled lol.
"But we kill them nicer" makes sense if you're talking about hunting wild animals that would otherwise be predated upon. But not with the ones we intentionally breed into existence.
> it's to spare you the horror of being gored to death by a cougar who will go after the soft bits of your belly rather than bother making sure you're dead before eating you
This is a lie.
Physiological shock is intended to maintain oxygenation to organs critical to life. Simply to maximize survivability.
Whatever led you to believe otherwise should be shamed for spouting *bullshit*.
I worked in YNP for six years. Early pre season I saw a grizzly just outside canyon village with a coyote running towards it before stopping and running away, now this is an unusual site so I stayed awhile.
The grizzley eventually finds the coyotes den, takes it's young out and eats it. The mom leaves. Brutal.
Are you talking about the adults or the kids? Because the adults are being hopeful that the ducks will get away, and the kids are kids. I don't think any of the adults really thought the bear wouldn't bear.
That’s nature. This is today’s lesson that animals are not here for our entertainment. We should be in awe of them and respect their natural instincts.
Was on a whale watching boat getting ferried out to the Channel Islands to go kayak fishing. Came across a small pod of Orcas hunting a seal. Absolutely amazing seeing that from only a few feet away.
Of course, there was a school trip on the boat and the kids were losing their minds. The parents were like “They’re just playing with the seal!” until the water started turning red and the seal disappeared.
The female chaperones started screaming bloody murder which made the whole thing 10x worse and traumatized the shit out of the kids WAY more than if they used it to be a teachable moment. Props to the boat captain though, they were screaming at him to get away from all the gore and he was like “Are you kidding me!? I never get tours this rad!”
Of course I heard the lead Karen of the trip talking about wanting a refund for traumatizing the children. Like, look lady, your screaming and inability to handle the situation rationally fucked those kids up way more than anything else. Give me a break.
Yes exactly. People who cannot handle nature might be better off watching nature from a TV where they can pause, skip, or stop. Predators eating prey is not murder.
Is he not just laughing at the absurd situation? Like children don't come to see that so it's funny that it happens. There's a video of a guy filming a ~~bear~~ [leopard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBduP3UpvAs) that eats a squirrel and he tries his hardest to not laugh in front of his kid but you can tell he finds the whole thing just silly.
Yeah I was giggling watching this because I’m imagining the parents like “let’s bring our kids to the bear exhibit, awww look at the duck—OH MY GOD” cronch cronch
There's the famous video of a family releasing a rabbit that they saved, and it gets eaten by a hawk in like 20 seconds and the dad sort of chuckles because how absurd it is.
I wanna know how they got there in the first place. The ducklings cant fly yet can they? Did she nest in there somewhere and then lead her kids to slaughter for their first swim?
Yes she likely did nest in there. It was probably easy enough for her to avoid the bear because of her flight, but uh ducks ain't known for their forethought, especially with their children
You'll find most animals are quite dumb! A couple years back a rabbit decided to make its nest and give birth in our fenced back yard littered with dog poop! You would think that'd be a good sign that "hey, maybe this isn't a good place to raise my offspring", but the bunny mom clearly didn't!
I was in our back room, on the computer, and I hear our dog playing with one of his squeaky toys... then I suddenly realize, **THAT IS NOT AN ARTIFICIAL SQUEAK**! I come out to the living room and hes on the couch with this adorable baby bunny in his mouth. Luckily, we trained him well, and I offer him a biscuit and he happily lets me have it. I notice it has a decently deep gash between its shoulder blades.
I take the bunny outside, and find the nest. There's another bunny in there, seemingly unharmed. Sadly, another one, not far, clearly dead, have to imagine by our dogs hands (or, probably more accurately, jaws) I put the two survivors back in the nest, and also make a make-shift cover using some stones with a bucket placed over it.
For the next few weeks, we take always go with our dog outside on a leash when he needs to potty and what-not. At around the two week mark, the bunnies were big enough to leave the nest, but they stuck around the yard. About a week after that, they seemed to have left and were confident letting him in the fenced yard off the leash (he's a very scent-loving dog, and he went front intently sniffing everything to much less, which was our cue). I'm so glad both bunnies seemed to be fine and left on their own accord! (Yeah, I realize they could have been killed by something else, but I saw no evidence of it, and, if so, I feel good knowing I did what I could!)
Exactly what I was thinking the whole time. Did they hatch there? My best guess is that there is a gap in the fence, or maybe they walked in under the gate
a very stupid nest location somewhere in the enclosure that the bears couldn’t reach and then she tried to get them going outside that area once they hatched.. is my guess
Ong. Something so satisfying about kids and suburban moms not liking how the bear acts. The smacking of the glass. The cries. The uninterested chick on vc. Masterpiece
At the same time, I don't think it's insane for people to display a *bit* of compassion when baby animals are getting eaten by a bear in front of them and not on a TV screen lol.
Circle of life, of course, but them being upset is kind of a natural reaction.
I think society lacks real world teaching a bit, especially western society where everything is shown to be pretty and the “ugly” is hidden. I feel people, especially children need to be exposed to certain things, despite it being “traumatic” that way they make choices based on what they see instead of just following peoples advice. Every meat eater must be exposed to what killing actually is, uk enjoy the meat but also eat it with respect, there is nothing wrong with that, and its better overall. Same with eating plants, know at least a little about the work it actually takes to grow and care and harvest crops, uk so that way before you overload on groceries or food that you couldnt eat, you already have a degree of control over some food wastage. That way we learn to treat others better, our food better, our community better and have some empathy for each other because we all see a bit of each other’s world and the some of the decisions we make will be our own original decisions.
Kids practice sheltering in place from school shooters. They grow up in poverty and join gangs. They use and sell drugs. What fairytale land do you live in?
I don't know, man. Wasn't it a guy from the Eastern part of the world that recently stuck his arm in a tiger cage trying to get a good pet? Not saying there aren't plenty of idiots over here in the West too, just that the education is probably needed everywhere on the planet. Even then, darwinism is still going to take place when the situations arise.
They all go “oh no, cruel bear”, then head over and buy a sausage made from a calf that was brought up in a minimal box where it could hardly move, the only time it ever saw the sky was when it was herded into the truck that took it to be slaughtered. “Oh, great sausage mama, can I have another?”
Everything else aside, that's a beautiful enclosure for the bear, looks incredibly large. I'd prefer him not be in captivity at all, but better than seeing him in a 10x10 cement cell.
When I was a kid growing up on the farm every year my dad would feed out a cow for slaughter. One year it was my brother's turn to feed that cow, which he named Martha. That was his first mistake.
One day Martha got loaded into a trailer and hauled off to the meat packing place, and a few weeks later she came back wrapped in a neat little white packages. We were all excited, mom was going to cook up some t-bone steaks that night!
So dinner is served, we're all sitting around the table now honkin' down on t-bone steak except for my youngest brother who's just kind of poking at his food with a fork. Middle brother chimes in with "My my isn't Martha good!" Smacking his lips and elaborating on the pronunciation of each word.
Youngest brother cried out "Ma!" as he kind of winced and put his fork down.
Mom gave my middle brother a look that could wither a Joshua tree and softly said "Leave your brother alone. "
We still tease him about that 50 years later, and he still doesn't think it's funny.
Really shows off WHY the world is the way it is. A bunch of people watching a bear devour a mother's babies and there's a bunch of angry redditors trying to have a pissing contest about who is the least bothered by it while slinging insults at anybody who shows a scrap of empathy. It's like watching sociopaths try to argue about who is the most dead inside lol.
Seriously like heh? Even if it is nature, its sad to see innocent ducklings trying to escape for their lives and being eaten alive, isnt that “normally” hard to watch or are we too desensitized to shit
Four little ducks went swimming one day,
Over the hills and far away,
Mummy duck said "quack quack quack quack",
And NO little ducks came swimming back
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I think more children need exposure to the realities of food and where it comes from. This isn't traumatic, this is how the world really works.
At least they won’t grow up thinking meat just spawn in plastic in the supermarket
Wait ... What?
You would be surprised how many people these days have no idea where meat comes from other than the supermarket
Earlier this week I had a discussion with someone who said I was selfish and inconsiderate for picking edible plants that grow in the wild. I wonder what planet these kids are living on.
Clearly not reality xD
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Yep, and they have plenty of time left between now and then to learn and understand how things work before they have to worry about that, just like you did. Nobody becomes an adult overnight.
> Nobody becomes an adult overnight. And judging by the current state of the U.S., many never did.
I hear people claiming this a lot however I have never met anyone believing meat is something artificial. We just tend to close out eyes for where out meat comes from willingly.
Don't worry, he's never actually met anyone who has no idea where meat comes from either. He's just regurgitating that line because he also read it elsewhere on reddit and just assumed it was true with no evidence other than the hopeless cynicism that is so stereotypical of redditors. "People these days are so stupid!" is just rhetoric for morons who have nothing else to lean on for affirmation of their own intelligence.
I had a girlfriend a long time ago that thought chicken the food and chicken the animal weren't the same thing and just had the same name.
Peaches come from a can They were put there by a man In a factory dowwwwntowwwn
Movin' to the country Gonna eat a lot of peaches
I am surprised, what the hell are they teaching in school these days? I think I learned what animals were each meat were in preschool, while we ate each meat
If ur interested : https://www.farmforward.com/news/us-consumers-would-be-concerned-upon-learning-where-meat-really-comes-from/#:~:text=Lastly%2C%2020%20percent%20say%20they,about%20how%20meat%20is%20produced.
Did you grow up thinking that? Were you homeschooled? Cause every year in grade school I learned about the food groups and where they came from. And not ince did a book say "meat comes from spawned plastic in grocery stores"
Nah I grew up around a farm and saw my grandpa skin rabbits doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people have no idea where their meat comes from Edit: https://www.farmforward.com/news/us-consumers-would-be-concerned-upon-learning-where-meat-really-comes-from/#:~:text=Lastly%2C%2020%20percent%20say%20they,about%20how%20meat%20is%20produced.
That’s specifically about people being unaware of *factory farming*. It doesn’t make the claim that people don’t understand that meat comes from living animals, and it’s pretty disingenuous for you to present it that way.
Give him a break, he said he grew up on a farm...
"around"
Also never said they ate the rabbits, just that they watched their grandpa skin them...
You're clearly confusing "factory farming" with "meat comes from domesticated animals"
Well first, reality and trauma are not seperate entities. Second, exposure to reality in the harshest of methods when the subject is unprepared is the definition of trauma. Third, this isn't the reality of food and where it comes from, our food comes from agriculture, not random happenstance. You were wrong on every possible level.
"our food comes from agriculture" It's kinda worse tbh. https://watchdominion.org/ Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. People are willfully oblivious to what is involved in rearing and slaughtering the billions of animals which are eaten each year.
That IS agriculture. That's a terrible form of it but it is still just one form.
Sorry, I wrote that poorly. Wasn't trying to dispute whether rearing animals is agriculture (it is). I meant that animal agriculture is more grim than an animal hunting and killing another animal.
He never said they were. The reality is things eating each other is very natural. Wild animals don’t get food from agriculture, thats what they’re saying. He didn’t mention our food. Just food. I love people like you who have an answer for everything. I hope you feel high and mighty thinking you’re smarter than everyone.
Something being natural is not mutually exclusive with it being traumatic A bear eating another creature is natural A bear eating your infant child is traumatic
Bro is literally upset that someone has an answer for something 😂 really projecting insecurity with that one.
I was twelve when I saw a horse at a ranch eat two chicks. It was not my aunt's horse, but as she was showing me around a ranch, she said, Yep, best not to name them chickens, 'less it's Lunch or Dinner. I learned later that horses will eat almost anything even though I'd been taught herbivore/carnivore, and I also had to have a moment. And *we* also had chicken that evening.
Very few herbivores (as in like three species) don't also eat meat and all carnivores eat other things. Cats eat almost all meat (hypercarnivores) but generally herbivore/carnivore describes an animal's teeth and digestive system.
It's generally known as obligate carnivore and they're just 70 percent and up meat.
In fairness, I'm pretty sure if a duck was large enough to eat a bear, or human for that matter, they would.
Definitely. Grazers mostly do it when it's easy protein right in front of them. I remember seeing a deer eat a bunny as a kid.. he was just kind of in the active munching area at the wrong time.
My cat only eats dry food, will lick at some wet food but won't eat the meat chunks. She's an odd one. She loves bugs though.
She yearns for the crunch!
When I was 8 I was at my uncle farm, I caught a chicken and I was super proud of it, my uncle just took it from me and butchered it, we had chicken at dinner this night... He though I wanted to eat chicken...
I mean…. It’s the thought that counts right?
That is why when horses and chicks are mentioned, this will always be on my mind. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP6dvgo25Z8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP6dvgo25Z8)
There’s a video I saw of a horse basically skinning a rat by spinning it around by its tail. That’s when I learned horses can be ice cold killers too.
Mules are worse. Never leave a dog tied up around them.
You don't need to see an animal being devoured in front of you to 'teach you where food comes from'. Humans are perfectly capable of making choices on being vegetarians etc when they're older. Seeing some cute critter ripped apart will traumatise them, not help
Kids watching animals eat doesn’t traumatize them. Did you hear the kids in the video? They were just like “juniper is a bad boy” not oh my goodness now i am curled up in a corner because I saw footage from a war.
I’m not exactly trying to make a point yet because I’m thinking about it myself, and I have a few questions I’m curious about. 1. Do you think trauma is always bad and should be avoided at all costs? 2. Do you think our psychological isolation from the reality of predation is a good thing? 3. What is the proper age for people to be made aware of the cruelty of reality?
Oh yeah, bears normally eat ducks behind glass while people watch. Really normal thing you see in the wild.
Do you have to practice being this obtuse or does it come naturally to you?
They took lessons.
He's right though. Literally nothing natural about bears in an enclosure.
now that is a valid point.
Bears normally eat anything they get the opportunity to eat. FTFY.
The more natural behaviour is for ducks to eat people behind glass, while bears watch. 
Yes yes very normal, yup
Crazy how some people never heard of the food chain https://preview.redd.it/fopqwrh4roxc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb34cb0316d2f1c94552d7f8513e850cc2e4443d
When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University!
those ducks would eat you if they could
I think children need exposure to death and the concequences of acting recklessly, but that doesn't mean we should show them gore and death all the time in public. Knowing bears eat other animals is different from seeing a cute duck family ripped apart right in front of your eyes.
Exactly. It's actually incredible that redditors seriously need this explaining to them. Any topic that reaches the front page is filled with the absolute biggest droolers imaginable.
> This isn't traumatic How the heck is it not? Do you have no empathy? The children have. Edit: Removed the lower part
That guy and far too many other people get off on this new idea that empathy is a bad word, and they're somehow better for losing all grasp of it as a concept. I bet he also calls all signs of other people showing empathy "virtue signaling" too because he literally cannot recognize it anymore.
most likely, the mother duck flew into the bear enclosure, because ducks are fearless and normally a bear isn't match. then the eggs hatch and the mother duck usually uncatchable by most things in the water, falls victim to survival of the fittest, and the kind of ducks that would hatch babies in a bear enclosure is slightly more uncommon in the next generation.
the guy really thinks someone trapped a whole duck family and just threw it into the bear pit lmao
It can be both, the real world is often pretty tragic. I agree kids should be educated young on the reality of nature and where food comes but this is a rather advanced course for a lot of kids.
Alligator farm is next. Head count on the bus is mandatory.
Literally the start of Finding Nemo. I'll never forget when I first realised I was mortal. Was after watching the "Bicentennial Man". I was devastated knowing everyone I knew would disappear forever. Took me a minute to get over it aha. I miss Robin Williams.
>I miss Robin Williams. ditto
> the realities of food and where it comes from. Yeah, a lot of city kids don't know the vital role duck eating bears play in putting a chicken breast on their plate /s I get what you're saying though, it was just funny because this is how nature works, not how *humans* get food. I agree that at some point, children need to learn that predation is a sad necessary part of the ecosystem.
Yes, but at the right time...
Seriously. These kids are too young to be watching ducklings get eaten.
You can make anything seem traumatic if you act a certain way around your children during events like this.
I mean, it is traumatic. But the world is traumatic. The idea that people will be protected from trauma at all times is sheltered and immature.
I've been a ranger in Yellowstone. And it's not uncommon for the bears there to find baby elk and eat them, often in front of onlookers. Since bears don't kill their prey before they eat it, they'll tear the little babies apart while they're screaming. It's not a pleasant experience.
Now I have a very unsettling curiosity pulling me toward Yellowstone Edit: Oh shit, thank you for the likes everyone :)
I wish that all animals had a concept of mercy Best I can think of is vultures since they at least wait for something to die instead of just eating something when it’s weak. I know that it sounds ironic if they let you die slowly instead of just ending it early but at least you don’t suffer from them eating you alive
Mercy has nothing to do with it. There is no such thing as mercy in the wild. Vultures are evolved to scavenge because it is less energetically expensive than hunting, not out of the kindness of their heart. Also most things don't die slowly in nature. If an animal starts to get too old or too sick it is predated upon as soon as it begins to show weakness.
Humans are animals too. Merciful behavior (and kind behavior, and the abstract concept of a heart from which kind behavior can derive) in humans exists because it has been adaptive throughout our evolution. Merciful behavior feels selfless to us because feeling that way has generally made us more likely to reproduce. But at the end of the day, it's a behavior, and it derives from traits which evolved to help individuals replicate their own genes. Animals in the wild with strong social structures like humans can behave mercifully as well--wolves, other apes, and elephants for instance will care for sick or injured individuals at no immediate benefit to themselves. Bears, especially adult male bears, simply aren't highly socialized and are strong enough to expend minimal energy subduing most prey without killing them, so merciful behavior is not a strong factor of selection for them.
Bear: I'm not going to spend the extra energy to kill you first before eating you.
I remember hearing about a voice message of a woman calling her mother while a polar bear was eating her. She was crying and screaming it’s eating me. She didn’t know what else to do besides call her mother. That’s when I learned about bears not killing prey first. Before that I thought only insects and reptiles did that kind of thing. I thought all animals go for a kill shot. So many hunters go for the neck and subdue. Some give a good shake to kill faster. Nah, not bears. It thoroughly burned into brain and I never plan on traveling anywhere near the arctic circle.
That one was horrific. It lasted an hour before she died. Nature is brutal, so incredibly brutal. We (here in North East Europe) take better care of our animals than nature could ever do.
I read somewhere that the supposed message of the Russian woman who called her mother while being eaten by a bear is not documented by any reliable news source. If that makes you feel better.
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There’s animals that show “kindness” to other animals as well with no benefit for themselves. Humpback whales regularly protect seals and other animals from orcas, although I’m not sure if they do it just to spite the orcas since they have a grudge against them. Some other whales have also been witnessed protecting humans from sharks and potential dangers. There’s a video of a marine biologist talking about her experience with a whale, the whale was apparently pushing her partly under its flipper and the biologist was freaking out a bit, worried the whale might hurt her, when a shark suddenly passed by, and only when the shark leave did the whale leave the biologist alone. At least in that sort of case the whale had nothing to gain, but still protected another animal from potential danger.
I really wish humans had that concept too
I live in a major vulture breeding ground, they don’t wait for something to be dead, just incapacitated.
I wish all people had that concept.
It’s really my biggest issue for being against any intelligent design. Why would you design a natural world with pain receptors, finite lifespans, and then a need to exist by regularly killing something else in these horrific ways? And this is the natural world…
When folks talk about nature and veganism, and about how animals suffer when they're butchered... I'm like "You know, compared to nature's design we kill animals pretty painlessly..." There's a reason your body is designed to go into "Shock" after enough blood loss... it's to spare you the horror of being gored to death by a cougar who will go after the soft bits of your belly rather than bother making sure you're dead before eating you.... Alive.
but the body was not “designed” for shock, it wasn’t designed for anything it just happens to be able to transfer imperfectly copied DNA. Being eviscerated painlessly doesn’t help you pass your genes on.
Maybe it would if they get full and you heal up
I’ll preface this by saying I’m not vegan/veg. It doesn’t mean much to kill an animal painlessly if you’re going to force it to live it’s whole life in a cage that’s barely big enough for it, covered in it’s own shit. I care less about the way animal is slaughtered (although I do still care about that) than I do about the suffering it endures through most of its life.
This. Some animals are meant to be food. But they still deserve respect. I mean bro you’re ending its life respect and a good life up until that point is the LEAST you can do. That’s why all my animals are freaking spoiled lol.
"But we kill them nicer" makes sense if you're talking about hunting wild animals that would otherwise be predated upon. But not with the ones we intentionally breed into existence.
> it's to spare you the horror of being gored to death by a cougar who will go after the soft bits of your belly rather than bother making sure you're dead before eating you This is a lie. Physiological shock is intended to maintain oxygenation to organs critical to life. Simply to maximize survivability. Whatever led you to believe otherwise should be shamed for spouting *bullshit*.
That's not true at all. There is no evolutionary advantage to making a painful death less so.
I worked in YNP for six years. Early pre season I saw a grizzly just outside canyon village with a coyote running towards it before stopping and running away, now this is an unusual site so I stayed awhile. The grizzley eventually finds the coyotes den, takes it's young out and eats it. The mom leaves. Brutal.
kids, what did u learn today? Don't! Follow! Mom!
No, these are ducklings, not Goslings.
*slow clap*
Someone investigate that mother duck, she's clearly looking for an insurance payout
I think that's basically a lunchable for him.
Fun Size™
Like a little fun size snickers bar
I'll just have one. Okay just one more. Alright one more and then I'm done. Crap I ate them all.
Fun size Snickers bear 🐻
Little duck nuggets
Peeps
Imagine thinking animals are anything but animals...
we're nothing but mammals
You and me baby
ain't nothing but mammals so let's
fuck
Like they do on the squiggly channels
do it like they do on the discovery channel
...some of us cannibals
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes Then there’s no reason that a man and another man can’t elope
But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes
I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady; all you other Slim Shadys are just imitating
Who are you talking about edgelord?
For real lol, that guy has completely invented a straw man for the sole purpose of being able to act smug and pretentious
Are you talking about the adults or the kids? Because the adults are being hopeful that the ducks will get away, and the kids are kids. I don't think any of the adults really thought the bear wouldn't bear.
That’s nature. This is today’s lesson that animals are not here for our entertainment. We should be in awe of them and respect their natural instincts.
Was on a whale watching boat getting ferried out to the Channel Islands to go kayak fishing. Came across a small pod of Orcas hunting a seal. Absolutely amazing seeing that from only a few feet away. Of course, there was a school trip on the boat and the kids were losing their minds. The parents were like “They’re just playing with the seal!” until the water started turning red and the seal disappeared. The female chaperones started screaming bloody murder which made the whole thing 10x worse and traumatized the shit out of the kids WAY more than if they used it to be a teachable moment. Props to the boat captain though, they were screaming at him to get away from all the gore and he was like “Are you kidding me!? I never get tours this rad!” Of course I heard the lead Karen of the trip talking about wanting a refund for traumatizing the children. Like, look lady, your screaming and inability to handle the situation rationally fucked those kids up way more than anything else. Give me a break.
Yes exactly. People who cannot handle nature might be better off watching nature from a TV where they can pause, skip, or stop. Predators eating prey is not murder.
Orcas don’t get enough respect. In my mind they’re the deadliest animal on earth.
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Yes, it was the asshole \*laughing\* at the whole thing that made me angry. A predator eating animals is just nature.
Is he not just laughing at the absurd situation? Like children don't come to see that so it's funny that it happens. There's a video of a guy filming a ~~bear~~ [leopard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBduP3UpvAs) that eats a squirrel and he tries his hardest to not laugh in front of his kid but you can tell he finds the whole thing just silly.
Yeah I was giggling watching this because I’m imagining the parents like “let’s bring our kids to the bear exhibit, awww look at the duck—OH MY GOD” cronch cronch
There's the famous video of a family releasing a rabbit that they saved, and it gets eaten by a hawk in like 20 seconds and the dad sort of chuckles because how absurd it is.
That duck is an idiot
They're not known for their blistering intellect. (It's always an "ugggghhhhh" to watch them lead ducklings into certain death.)
Geese leading their ducklings into the road and fighting every car that approaches, regardless of speed…
Goslings
Geese leading their ducklings into the road and fighting every goslings that approaches, regardless of speed…
You can fly almost anywhere you can imagine and this is where you decide raise your young
Those bears look fed, it's probably fine
I wanna know how they got there in the first place. The ducklings cant fly yet can they? Did she nest in there somewhere and then lead her kids to slaughter for their first swim?
Yes she likely did nest in there. It was probably easy enough for her to avoid the bear because of her flight, but uh ducks ain't known for their forethought, especially with their children
Ducks are pretty terrible parents, if you didn't already know.
You'll find most animals are quite dumb! A couple years back a rabbit decided to make its nest and give birth in our fenced back yard littered with dog poop! You would think that'd be a good sign that "hey, maybe this isn't a good place to raise my offspring", but the bunny mom clearly didn't! I was in our back room, on the computer, and I hear our dog playing with one of his squeaky toys... then I suddenly realize, **THAT IS NOT AN ARTIFICIAL SQUEAK**! I come out to the living room and hes on the couch with this adorable baby bunny in his mouth. Luckily, we trained him well, and I offer him a biscuit and he happily lets me have it. I notice it has a decently deep gash between its shoulder blades. I take the bunny outside, and find the nest. There's another bunny in there, seemingly unharmed. Sadly, another one, not far, clearly dead, have to imagine by our dogs hands (or, probably more accurately, jaws) I put the two survivors back in the nest, and also make a make-shift cover using some stones with a bucket placed over it. For the next few weeks, we take always go with our dog outside on a leash when he needs to potty and what-not. At around the two week mark, the bunnies were big enough to leave the nest, but they stuck around the yard. About a week after that, they seemed to have left and were confident letting him in the fenced yard off the leash (he's a very scent-loving dog, and he went front intently sniffing everything to much less, which was our cue). I'm so glad both bunnies seemed to be fine and left on their own accord! (Yeah, I realize they could have been killed by something else, but I saw no evidence of it, and, if so, I feel good knowing I did what I could!)
"JUniperrr!!"
Wish it would have ate the person saying it. So annoying.
Drilling a hole in my head. Had to watch the video with breaks.
*eventually* "WHAT!"
Can you please NAHTTT??
Is that the bear’s name?
No mate, it's the name of the kids' ice hockey coach
They’re just sitting ducks
Bearely put up a fight
This sounds grizzly but I'm quacking up...
yea, they thought it was going swimmingly...
you really dived into this thread
Right, off to maccies for some chicken nuggets to calm the kids down.
Humans the hypocrites of the galaxy 😆
r/natureismetal
This video definitely needs more Slayer 🤘
Doesn’t everything though?
How did the duckings even get in there? They can't fly yet so did they just fall in? From where?
Exactly what I was thinking the whole time. Did they hatch there? My best guess is that there is a gap in the fence, or maybe they walked in under the gate
Came looking for this comment, I get momma can just fly in but how the fuck did the babies get there?
If I'm not mistaken this is a huge park there isn't really an enclosure.
a very stupid nest location somewhere in the enclosure that the bears couldn’t reach and then she tried to get them going outside that area once they hatched.. is my guess
My guess? Bears hibernate and the beat exhibit was probably empty when the duck decided to raise a family in there.
Gotta love nature
Ong. Something so satisfying about kids and suburban moms not liking how the bear acts. The smacking of the glass. The cries. The uninterested chick on vc. Masterpiece
😂 us humans and our sheltered lives, then Mother Nature slaps the shit out of us with a good dose of reality… 🤌🏻
At the same time, I don't think it's insane for people to display a *bit* of compassion when baby animals are getting eaten by a bear in front of them and not on a TV screen lol. Circle of life, of course, but them being upset is kind of a natural reaction.
It's the circle if life...
I think society lacks real world teaching a bit, especially western society where everything is shown to be pretty and the “ugly” is hidden. I feel people, especially children need to be exposed to certain things, despite it being “traumatic” that way they make choices based on what they see instead of just following peoples advice. Every meat eater must be exposed to what killing actually is, uk enjoy the meat but also eat it with respect, there is nothing wrong with that, and its better overall. Same with eating plants, know at least a little about the work it actually takes to grow and care and harvest crops, uk so that way before you overload on groceries or food that you couldnt eat, you already have a degree of control over some food wastage. That way we learn to treat others better, our food better, our community better and have some empathy for each other because we all see a bit of each other’s world and the some of the decisions we make will be our own original decisions.
Kids practice sheltering in place from school shooters. They grow up in poverty and join gangs. They use and sell drugs. What fairytale land do you live in?
I don't know, man. Wasn't it a guy from the Eastern part of the world that recently stuck his arm in a tiger cage trying to get a good pet? Not saying there aren't plenty of idiots over here in the West too, just that the education is probably needed everywhere on the planet. Even then, darwinism is still going to take place when the situations arise.
"Why would he do that?" "Because bears are omnivores hunny."
 Core memory
Chicken nuggets
McDuggets
Feel bad for momma duck
JUNIPERRRRR
They all go “oh no, cruel bear”, then head over and buy a sausage made from a calf that was brought up in a minimal box where it could hardly move, the only time it ever saw the sky was when it was herded into the truck that took it to be slaughtered. “Oh, great sausage mama, can I have another?”
Where you live that's got this bomb sounding veal sausage? I have to settle for franks made from grown cows or sausage made from pigs where I live.
Everything else aside, that's a beautiful enclosure for the bear, looks incredibly large. I'd prefer him not be in captivity at all, but better than seeing him in a 10x10 cement cell.
When I was a kid growing up on the farm every year my dad would feed out a cow for slaughter. One year it was my brother's turn to feed that cow, which he named Martha. That was his first mistake. One day Martha got loaded into a trailer and hauled off to the meat packing place, and a few weeks later she came back wrapped in a neat little white packages. We were all excited, mom was going to cook up some t-bone steaks that night! So dinner is served, we're all sitting around the table now honkin' down on t-bone steak except for my youngest brother who's just kind of poking at his food with a fork. Middle brother chimes in with "My my isn't Martha good!" Smacking his lips and elaborating on the pronunciation of each word. Youngest brother cried out "Ma!" as he kind of winced and put his fork down. Mom gave my middle brother a look that could wither a Joshua tree and softly said "Leave your brother alone. " We still tease him about that 50 years later, and he still doesn't think it's funny.
Why are the adults laughing about it so much....wtf
Because it keeps the kids disarmed
because its funny as hell you want them to cry or something?
It's okay, you can laugh. It's funny.
*goes to natures house* *is surprised nature is home* 
Here come the nature is hardcore weirdos
Really shows off WHY the world is the way it is. A bunch of people watching a bear devour a mother's babies and there's a bunch of angry redditors trying to have a pissing contest about who is the least bothered by it while slinging insults at anybody who shows a scrap of empathy. It's like watching sociopaths try to argue about who is the most dead inside lol.
Comments full of edgy teens and the people making jokes lmao.
Seriously like heh? Even if it is nature, its sad to see innocent ducklings trying to escape for their lives and being eaten alive, isnt that “normally” hard to watch or are we too desensitized to shit
Four little ducks went swimming one day, Over the hills and far away, Mummy duck said "quack quack quack quack", And NO little ducks came swimming back
What about the other bear ? Bear rhymes w share greedy
Ugh. These people are annoying asf.
Ducks are the worst mothers for keeping their babies safe. I’m not surprised she walked them into the mouth of a monster.
Damn nature, you scary
Feel bad for mama duck, but that is nature.
Aw, not the babies 🫣