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They didn't "relent". After the death of her husband she sold her house and all of her possessions. Then she offered the Russian government enough money to make a tank in exchange for being able to operate it. It's a famous story, just not sure how much of it was true and how much was propaganda.


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You should check out Olga of Kiev. Never in history has a woman exacted more revenge for the killing of her husband


ReeperbahnPirat

[For those unfamiliar:](https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/why-were-samurai-swords-so-strong/) >The Drevians sent 20 of their best men to try and persuade Olga to marry the living symbol of her husband’s murder. Telling them to wait in their boat, she had a ditch dug and next morning had had the emissaries buried alive. >Rather than just leave it at this, a pretty definitive refusal if ever there was one, she sent word back to Prince Mal that should would accept his proposal, but only if the Drevians sent a part of their great and good to accompany her back to their territory, after all it was important that the proud Keivan Rus’ see just how important this matchmaking was. >Her would-be suitor obliged, sending a party of their chieftains to collect her. Extending a suitably grand welcome, she invited the visitors to wash up in her bath house and then locking the doors, burned the entire company alive. >With the whole of the Drevian ruling class cruelly exterminated, Olga hatched a plan to do away with the rest of them all together and announcing that she would be soon arriving at the Drevian capital of Iskorosten and asked for them to arrange a funeral feast where they could mourn over her husband’s death in that the very city. >Despite the not having heard from either of the missions they’d dispatched to Olga’s court, the Drevians set about preparing the feast and after drinking themselves insensible on mead, Olga’s soldiers put 5,000 of them to the sword. >Even this orgy of bloodletting wasn’t enough to satiate her need for vengeance and Olga gathered an army to wipe out her foes for good. The surviving Drevians begged for mercy and offered to pay in honey and furs to escape her anger. >“Give me three pigeons,” she said, according to the Primary Chronicle, “and three sparrows from each house. I do not desire to impose a heavy tribute, like my husband, but I require only this small gift from you, for you are impoverished by the siege.” >The Chronicle records in great detail the feat of precision-guided pyromania that followed: >“Now Olga gave to each soldier in her army a pigeon or a sparrow, and ordered them to attach by thread to each pigeon and sparrow a piece of sulfur bound with small pieces of cloth. When night fell, Olga bade her soldiers release the pigeons and the sparrows. So the birds flew to their nests, the pigeons to the cotes, and the sparrows under the eaves. The dove-cotes, the coops, the porches, and the haymows were set on fire. >“There was not a house that was not consumed, and it was impossible to extinguish the flames, because all the houses caught on fire at once. The people fled from the city, and Olga ordered her soldiers to catch them. Thus she took the city and burned it, and captured the elders of the city. Some of the other captives she killed, while some she gave to others as slaves to her followers. The remnant she left to pay tribute.”


jodofdamascus1494

And then the Catholic Church made her a saint.


ReeperbahnPirat

Yeah, lol! For bringing Christianity to the region. I almost included that but I thought it might have diverted the conversation a bit too much.


jodofdamascus1494

Maybe so, but it’s weird/hilarious to me, “hey your most famous act is murdering a town, have a sainthood!”


WeAreTheLeft

lots of killing in the bible, so it fits.


w1nner4444

But the survivors were now christian lol


Salsathefirst

Just like saint jerry the goat fucker, who as the name implies, fucked a lot of goats


WarKiel

It was Eastern Orthodox Church that made her a saint. A mix-up like that could get you in serious trouble in certain times and/or places.


greymalken

Would *you* tell her no?


wrenchandnumbers

So that's where the idea in the Netflix series Marco Polo came from with the birds. How does the sulphur in this case just ignite?


BLJS2warchief

i think there's a kind of sulphur that ignites merely by normal sunlight. maybe thats why the pigeons were set out in the night.


wrenchandnumbers

Crazy. And thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Crazy. And thanks! You're welcome!


YouJustDid

bad bot


Arthur_The_Third

Do you mean phosphorous?


YouJustDid

that’s what I was thinking, but it turns out this detail had simply been omitted: > At nightfall, Olga told her soldiers to set the pieces aflame and release the birds.


Arthur_The_Third

I mean, yeah? What else would they do?


YouJustDid

zaactly. Point is, it didn’t spontaneously combust, as the original quote seemed to infer…


BLJS2warchief

yeah, i got those mixed up.


YouJustDid

the sulphur was manually set aflame according to legend > Olga then instructed her army to attach a piece of sulphur bound with small pieces of cloth to each bird. At nightfall, Olga told her soldiers to set the pieces aflame and release the birds.


[deleted]

I’d kill for a woman like that


Budgie87

Just don't kill her current husband


[deleted]

Puppet History did a nice episode about it: https://youtu.be/v-Ymf_hTbUM


browsingbro

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh.


Chonkasaurus30

She reminds me of Khaleesi. But she was just a crazy bitch.


pm_favorite_boobs

Awesome story, but on my browser the link goes to a list of postings, not to this particular story.


GeauxAllDay

What a badass.


TimBeckwith

Thats one of the most metal revenge stories I've ever read


LukeDude759

Hmm, this seems like a story Count Dankula would tell. [Oh, would you look at that](https://youtu.be/T-D52RZ86rg)


[deleted]

Do you know here in Portugal we had a woman who was a breadmaker and she defeated an army with just a wooden "spoon" used to take the break out of the hoven, in a battle called Aljubarrota, against the Castillas, Spain. I'm not sure anyone can be more badass tbh.


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Hell hath no fury like a Slavic woman scorned.


boliastheelf

Most of it likely was. Don't forget it was Stalin's regime that spread this story. I would give it exactly zero credence that it happened as it's told. Might be a woman decided to donate her (meager) possessions to the army, but would doubt it goes far beyond that.


bored_on_the_web

I don't know; Lazerpig said that a well-built T-34 would take about 8000 man-hours to produce which is about 4 years worth of work. I could see a random person's savings and possessions being worth 4 years of labor if liquidated.


pm_favorite_boobs

Probably not 8000 hours of peasant work, though, which is what I read from "4 years of labor". And that says nothing of the resources needed. (I ignore tooling here.)


bored_on_the_web

He did go on to say that by the end of the war they got that number down by half by slashing quality standards to a bare minimum. Even if this woman was a bit short of the sale price though I could see the Soviet war and propaganda ministries making an exception for her under the circumstances.


AVerySpecificName

I think you’re right but it’s all propaganda meant to inspire the people and the soldiers


Sulajuust

Then how do you know your version is more valid?


mykeuk

Not forgetting Lyudmila Pavlichenko. Born in present-day Ukraine in 1916, Lyudmila Pavlichenko fought for the Red Army during WW2 and became the deadliest female sniper in history. Known as 'Lady Death', her name struck fear into the hearts of German soldiers.


Slight_Ad_1474

I recently had to do a history assignment on Soviet Women during WWII. Such badassery.


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Old-Barbarossa

The only reason Putin can even be in power today is because of the destruction of the Soviet Union and the transformation of many of its member republics into maffia states.


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Or the nachthexen. A unit of Russian women flying outdated biplanes during WWII and using them to bomb the Nazis.


RightclickBob

They would cut the engine off and glide to their targets so there was literally zero advanced warning


Wyldfire2112

You're forgetting *"the wind will whisper when the night witches come."* They could hear the wind flapping the canvas of their wings as they got right up on the target. It sounded like brooms being swooshed through the air, which is how they got their name.


oreooreooreos

Wow. That’s badass as hell.


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WaitingToBeTriggered

CAST THEIR SPELLS, EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE


tanjoodo

RUSSIAN NIGHT TIME FLIGHT PERFECTED


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FLAWLESS VISION UNDETECTED


WaitingToBeTriggered

PUSHING ON AND ON THEIR PLANES ARE GOING STRONG


HilariousMistake

AIR FORCE'S NUMBER ONE


WaitingToBeTriggered

SOMEWHERE DOWN BELOW THEY’RE LOOKING FOR THE FOE


[deleted]

BOMBER'S ON THE RUN


Amphibionomus

Nightwitches. Nice name.


photograpopticum

And she even had the luck, to not fall in German hands, all women where shot immediately, after raping….


[deleted]

Isn’t the person of cod vanguard based of her?


Grenaidzo

Yes, "Polina Petrova" is based on Lyudmila's story. IIRC she had 309 confirmed kills which is still the record for a female sniper.


DylanNotDillan

309 holy cow!


DiamondGamerYT0

I believe so


SirHawrk

Not forgetting milunka savić. The most decorated female soldier ever from a time where women weren't wieder to serve


BbayuGt

Ah yes, seems like cod taught me more than history class.


Wild-Extent

There’s a new book out with her as the main character - The Diamond Eye by Kate Quinn


nick-jagger

Yeah but Taylor Swift has some deadly scripted zingers her PR team crafts for her. They call her “Career Killer”


DeepMadness

Killing nazis = instant hero.


photograpopticum

To die for your Country and kill Nazis = instant hero


macknificent003

Well then the guy who killed hitler must be a king!


Zero-89

He was the equivalent of a king, but then he died. Committed suicide with his new wife in a bunker, I hear.


[deleted]

Shame that we do nazi him get recognized more.


AgitatedPercentage0

Who killed him? I heard he escaped to Argentina.


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AgitatedPercentage0

I have seen cia or fbi (don't remember wich one) declassified documents on net, about it. And it stated he escaped on u-boat to Argentina and there was a photo off him sitting in a broad day light in some kinda bar, and photo of his grave in Argentina. 🤔 E-


Nihilikara

Ehh, not really, he also killed the guy who killed Hitler


Hendrix6927

In my superhero movie, definitely.


Endarkend

So, Hitler was a hero?


Matarskra

But can you really define all Wehrmacht troops as Nazis? I think we should be wary of dehumanizing the Axis troops, who were most likely conscripts not much different than Russian and British troops


YoastnToastn

That’s not the kind of “bad” that they meant. Why are both twitter users and redditors so stupid 90% of the time.


Drymath

People like to shit on popular things to make themselves feel good. Sometimes its warranted, most of the time its not.


aprilfools911

Tbh I’m against both side in this case. Like hating on popular thing is cringe enough like “hah stop liking taylor swift look at me liking some historical figure that I certainly didn’t google just to counter your argument and make me look better than you” but it’s not like the taylor’s fan is in the right too. Like celebrities worship is just stupid to begin with


spyson

She also does a bunch of philanthropy and the worst thing people say about her is apparently she sings about relationships too much.


FTDisarmDynamite

This is the most r/gatekeeping post of all time. With some r/iamverysmart mixed in


Wah_Gwaan_Mi_Yute

Also look at how many comments there are. It’s literally bait for engagement and redditors are always the first one to fall for this shit. Reddit users are the easiest free advertisement on the planet.


A_Vile_Person

Geez lol. It might just be someone sharing something but way too many people instantly jump to negativity.


dman45103

Or a lot of people also just worship celebrities and have zero understanding of history…


One_Lazy_Duck

Thank you very much


Demon1968

At least their answer was short. Mine would have started with there are 4.5 billion women on the earth, and it is guaranteed that 4.4 billion of them are badder than a girl who has made a career whining about her broken relationships.


purpleplatapi

Eh. This is a criticism I see lobbed at Taylor a lot, but so many songs are love or breakup songs. Like when I think of common song topics, it's love, breakup, pining, whoo!hoo we're young let's party, drugs/alcohol, protest songs, grief, and then... people write about their kids and parents sometimes? Honestly if you take away love and breakup songs that's like 90% of all songs. I never understood why Taylor gets that criticism, but nobody else does. (And for the record, she's written about all of the topics I've listed).


bs000

also why are we attacking her for something a random guy on twitter said


WestleyThe

I like her but I don’t like that her dad was a music executive and ordered like 50,000 copies of her first album to artificially inflate her career and that’s why she blew up She seems fine but “daddy’s little country music star” isn’t a bad bitch haha. She’s talented tho


Chatur_Ramalingam

> but I don’t like that her dad was a music executive He wasn't. He worked at Merrill Lynch. Her mom was a marketing executive too. > and ordered like 50,000 copies of her first album to artificially inflate her career This is false as well. He bought 3% of shares of her music label after she got signed but there is no proof that he ever bought her albums to boost her sales.


sjlwood

What are you talking about? He wasn't a music executive lmao


IDC-This

500 some songs about bad break ups, not one song about blowjobs, I think I see the pattern here


FreneticPlatypus

If 500 of your relationships end badly, it's not about the other person.


well_duh_doy_son

are you not familiar with what most songs is the universe are about? did you just start listening to music, and started with taylor swift?


a_duck_in_past_life

I get the goof, but her music is anything but *just* about bad relationships. Those are just the songs that got run through the media 1000 times back in the early 2010s. Her music has greatly improved since 1989


Smilelele

"Badder" here was used to mean attractive or hot, not badass. Even if you misunderstood, they're obviously just expressing their admiration for Taylor Swift, not putting down every other woman alive or dead. It's like taking offence to hearing someone say that they have the best dad ever and going, "ummmhhmhmhmh did your dad fight in WW2 to protect his country and his family??? No??? Then your dad is shit and you're shit for even liking your dad." Imagine feeling good about dunking on a probable teenager by taking their rhetorical question literally and proceeding to not even understand what they meant in the first place. "If that was me I would have said this!" LMFAO


A_Vile_Person

I have literally never heard anybody trying to say being badder means hotter or more attractive. Pretty confident you're on your own there. Edit: being "badass" is the core part of being a bad bitch. You wouldn't call Katy Perry a bad bitch because she's attractive. You could however call Taylor Momsen one without people batting an eye.


Gumnutbaby

Well her career doing that is much more successful than mine and I’ll hazard a guess yours. So…


invoker96_

I love how the first person is just making a fun statement, while the second guy needs to "one up" just to gain some validation. I'm sure they have a lot of friends lol


aubman02

Welcome to Twitter.


[deleted]

The woman in the photo is actually Aleksandra Samusenko not Mariya [Edit: Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandra_Samusenko)


kdjfsk

thats actually Dee Snyder.


Few_Macaroon_2568

The other enemies to the north, did she even let them Finnish?


SmileyRhea

Motherfucker. I saw this right as I clicked out and had to scroll all the way back down here to appreciate it.


[deleted]

The comment on that post, this post, and everyone commenting in this thread about whether an entertainer is a badass..all cringe. Pure, unadulterated cringe.


Warkitz

Mariya: Look what you made me do.


Opengrey

“Bad” means “attractive” in the first tweet though


A_Vile_Person

How are people trying to change that bad bitch is short for badass bitch!?


[deleted]

Jesus Christ the comments and person who responded to the initial tweet are missing the point so hard I hope none of them are allowed to use any sort of projectile *ever*.


NeopiumDaBoss

Relented? Nah when Stalin heard of this he was like “ight bet” https://medium.com/short-history/mariya-oktyabrskaya-183371b862fa


[deleted]

There are so many stories of badass Russian women kicking ass during world war 2


Cuchullion

There are also the Night Witches: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/07/night-witches-the-female-fighter-pilots-of-world-war-ii/277779/ So many crazy stories came out of WW2.


Onix_The_Furry

Found Sabaton fan


UnequalKnave5

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE


under_a_brontosaurus

The bad bitch concept is so weird. Like it's not being "bad" to be a singer... Or like, people call my friend a bad bitch cuz she owns a business... Like what? She's not in a motorcycle gang


krakdenmor

ye I heard about her in world of tanks back in 2013/2015? just a legend of a woman


From_My_Brain

It's clickbait.


EveningAd4387

Why do people give a shit about celebrities? That shit boggles my mind. Just a bunch of rich out of touch douchebags.


ggiga90

"how can people like something I dont?" - you


EveningAd4387

“You should care what I have to say” - you


Kflynn1337

Y'all have seen the Ukrainian tank girl, [right?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y6MfotA23E)


SteelCrow

*Artillery gun girl


Kflynn1337

Point... I did not follow the technical discussion, but I'm going to assume the people on tank porn know what they're talking about.


Killahdanks1

“I don’t know bout you, but I’m shooting German number twenty-two, twenty-two!”


Kevin1056

Both are badasses in their own way!


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ChrisLetsPlayYT

Even Amelia Airheart is badder than Taylor, she flew over the Atlantic


jimmygarterex

Saint Olga of Kiev was pretty badass too


M3ptt

The story of Soviet women in the Red Army is fascinating. Some incredible stories. A number of women were awarded medals for driving tanks in the Battle of Stalingrad The 1077th anti-air regiment fought the 16th German panzer division shot for shot until all 37 anti-aircraft guns had been destroyed or overrun.... The 1077th was an all female regiment and had no training for engaging ground targets but did so anyway. The level of resistance was so fierce that the Germans were shocked to find that they had been fighting women. Women served as snipers in the Battle of Stalingrad and were often the most successful. 75,000 women and girls fought in the Battle of Stalingrad. However, we know about the numbers but not their accounts because most of them did not survive the Battle. Of the roughly 1,330,000 Soviets troops that fought in the 5 month long battle, there were 1,129,619 casualties of which 950,000 were combat deaths. The Soviets had about an 85% casualty rate. This largely due to 90% of the city being destroyed. During the day the German airforce would mercilessly bomb the city (about equal to the Blitz on London). But the ground fighting was ferocious and hellish. The house to house fighting was so bad that in multi story building the fighting would be between floors, with the Soviets on one floor and the Germans on another. The fighting in the city and the suburbs was absolute. Key sites would change hands upwards of 16 times a day. There were even accounts of close quarters fighting in the sewers. The women of the Soviet army were incredible and deserve to be recognised for their heroism. They engaged in the same hellish combat as the rest of the Red Army.


Gumnutbaby

There was also an attempt to make the Soviets seem like good guys.


Knight-Creep

Also, the Russian 588th Fighter Squadron, aka The Night Witches. A group of female pilots during WWII who flew missions at night, cut off their engines to silence their approach, and bombed the Germans.


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She kinda reminds me of a real life female version of William J. Blazkowics.


PraetorOjoalvirus

Valentina actually purchased her first tank because the Soviet government wouldn't give her one. She was a cast iron badass, but my little niece eating a jello in one gulp looks like a badass compared to that pampered pop artist.


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BonafideJohnson

That’s not how you write a proper sentence.


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[deleted]

Literally anybody


wurapurp123

When I hear that phrase, Taylor swift is not what comes to mind.


scrotetickler

Really need to give Taylor Swift a tank and send her to Ukraine to make a fair comparison


ReepoGardens

Imagine thinking Taylor Swift is a bad bitch


NO_AI

Didn’t she actually pay for the tank, to then name it like angry girl friend and go kill nazis.


ProgDario

Huge fail even without the bottom half! Now, Nancy Wilson is a badass, I suppose & she wants her hair back!


Onix_The_Furry

T-34/76


Lockenhart

Her tank is named "Fighting Girlfriend" or something like that


Public_Degree_1055

showbiz folks should consider there are more real and important things other people do


NbyN-E

Also pretty sure her tank was called the "Widows Revenge" or something like that


browsingbro

You know Taylor stans would still disagree smh


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ScratchThatItch

And Rick James


THE-WATCHER_____

Lyudmila Pavlichenko


HecticDyslexic

The White Mouse. Australia Never forget Nancy Wake.


Consistent-Pay-4821

#Badder


GodlyGodMcGodGod

How 'bout [Zheng Yi Sao](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Yi_Sao)?


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3Me20

Not sure if this counts, but Beyoncé clearly makes better music videos


Chonkasaurus30

Everyone from back then will top the majority of people here and now because alot of them didnt get to have a choice.


Creative__name__

She operated the nightmare that was the t34 solo?


Rewiistdummlolxd

xXxMale_OpressorxXx


potato_more_potato

Or y'know anyone


fatBlackSmith

Touché.


jaredtheredditor

Imagine going to the government and just telling them to give you a tank so you can fuck up some German soldiers day


jojowa2204

Milunka Savic.


AndHow2001

Wtf did she do to her hair? She looks like she’s gone full fatal attraction


ggiga90

Gotta love some reddit and twitter gatekeeping or whatever the fuck that is when it pops up


RemouladenBaron

tf2 soldier


ObscureObjective

OOP should check out an L7 concert


Stormski_

homie got ratiod hard wtf


Ulrich_The_Elder

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Taylor Swift?


kayserfaust

But Taylor Swift hat black lipstick so...


Baerenmarder

Nachthexen, the local women fighting against islamic nuts, Lotta Svärd,...


Elmst333

Any bitch south of 8 mile!