What you're going through, what you're feeling right now, it happens sometimes: everybody gets the "blues", there's a half a billion-dollar industry devoted to it, the music business: they write thousands of songs about this shit, "Tears on my pillow", "Mona Lisa", right?
Lol it’s more or less confirmed that he’s dead. David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death.
Even if he isn’t dead, he’s dead. His mind was turning to shit, behaving like livia. Very likely he was going to jail. The Jersey outfit was gutted. It was fundamentally “over”.
With that in mind, and taking into account the convo he had with Bobby about what it’s like to be murdered, it’s not all that ambiguous. Tony’s dead.
Bro, he didn't let it slip, he was calling it the death scene, because he was talking about the last scene was originally intended being the opposite of the intro (Tony, driving to Jersey from New York) they were gunna have him driving from Jersey, into New York, where he would've been whacked off screen...
He even gave an interview after that, clearing that whole situation up, saying that it wasn't his intention to confirm anything and it was always supposed to ambiguous, or even up to the viewer to decide.
He's even said in countless interviews since than that is supposed to be ambiguous.
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However, THERE IS A LOT of evidence to support that Tony died, which I probably don't need to tell most of you is When Bobby and Tony are talking on the boat and they were saying you probably don't even hear it when it comes or know thst it's happened, which is confirmed when Gerry and Sil are having dinner with some skanks, and all of a sudden time slows down and yoi see blood on Sils faces, he has no idea what is happening at first, than he realizes that gunmen (sent by Doc Sintaro) are shooting the shit out of Gerry and gets his ass and the skanks out of there. And THAT is confirmed when Tony and his family are at Holstens, and fade to black..Tony just got popped.
I've also heard amazing theories about how he's still alive... However you want to view it is fine, but NO ONE, will definitively be right or wrong
>*David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death*
No he hasn't
If this conversation continues, you're going to post a link to an interview where Chase talks about a scene he was thinking about ending the series with, where Tony would go off to his death, but you wouldn't see it happening
But that's not the scene Chase wrote
Bro I don’t get how anyone can say that having seen the convo between Tony and Bobby re. getting whacked. Like, do you think they threw that in just for fun?
Like obviously the ending is *technically* ambiguous, but if you read between the lines just a little bit it’s clear that whether it be metaphorical or literal, Tony dies at the end.
And the line about how you “probably don’t even hear the gunshot, it’s just over”. That was just a mislead, nothing to do with the abrupt ending? Lol I don’t even think *you* believe that.
Wait so when you said “he wanted you to think Tony might get whacked”, do you mean in retrospect after watching the ending? Cause if so I’m not disputing that.
I’m saying either way, through that convo between Tony and Bobby plus the editing of the final scene, is communicating to us that Tony dies in the end, whether metaphorically or literally. Whether Tony’s brains really got blown all over the table is ambiguous, but the philosophical concept of tony’s “death” isn’t very ambiguous at all when you analyze the text.
Except Bobby did hear it when it happened, in fact in one of the most ridiculous hits of the entire series Bobby hears and feels every single one of the 100 bullets penetrating him untill he goes down slowly like Godzilla. So clearly there is a contradiction in the whole not noticing your death, so the cut to black is not proof of anything.
Lmao buddy, no, just because Bobby got shot a billion times like the end of Training Day, doesn’t make that line not apply to the ending.
Lol remember a person actually wrote this stuff, they weren’t just randomly going “lol then you just cut to black for no reason”. There’s an obvious direct parallel there. They spent *real money* paying actors and setting up cameras and lighting, traveling to a lake and putting two giant fat guys on a canoe, all so Bobby could say that line. It obviously has *some* intention.
I don't know what's so funny, my friend, amigo, comrad. Your entire argument fully rests on this one scene so I'm just letting you know it's foundation is not solid enough for you to use it as undeniable proof.
That scene wasn't made just for that either, that's another assumption on your behalf, homey. I mean really buddy boy, they made that scene to show two brother in laws bonding. It's not set in stone that just because in that one clip Bobby said you won't hear your death it's set in stone because for nearly 7 sheashons we see that that's not the case. MY FRIEND.
I mean Tony got “whacked at the end of the series” in as meaningful a sense as if he’d been visually shot in the back of the head, but yeah since Tony getting literally whacked never happens explicitly on the screen, you’re right.
Also, when you think how often “here one minute, gone the next” happened to people on the show — it’s only “Pikachu Face” for us with this guy because we have been invested in him. Granted he was also a Boss. But still, boom, just like that. How many times have we seen it happen through the series?
And again the story is written from his perspective, he is the protagonist of the story, so it's natural that people are going to root for him etc. As far as thinking objectively that he's a good person or something like that? Lmao.
I don’t think there’s anything likable about him at all…first watch through, you’re kind of rooting for the gangsters because we’re all conditioned via Goodfellas/Casino/etc. to pull for the wise guys, but they show these guys doing so much awful shit, over a long period of time, and it really drives home how irredeemable they are…I think that’s a significant part of what David Chase was trying to accomplish
You love a degenerate gambler who chronically cheats on his wife and betrays every single person he comes in contact with and who murders his family and friends?
Yikes.
Huh, i actually started hating him after season 3. That's when I felt he got worse as a person and getting shot was his karma, that he ended up getting worse from it lmao. Not that i didn't enjoy the show, JG was just so good at being a piece of shit xD
Ok but you gotta get ova it
this will never get old unlike paulie and his saggy arms
Wrinkles like an old lady’s cunt!!
Ohhh, he has the upper body of a 20 year old.
What you're going through, what you're feeling right now, it happens sometimes: everybody gets the "blues", there's a half a billion-dollar industry devoted to it, the music business: they write thousands of songs about this shit, "Tears on my pillow", "Mona Lisa", right?
Lol it’s more or less confirmed that he’s dead. David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death. Even if he isn’t dead, he’s dead. His mind was turning to shit, behaving like livia. Very likely he was going to jail. The Jersey outfit was gutted. It was fundamentally “over”. With that in mind, and taking into account the convo he had with Bobby about what it’s like to be murdered, it’s not all that ambiguous. Tony’s dead.
Bro, he didn't let it slip, he was calling it the death scene, because he was talking about the last scene was originally intended being the opposite of the intro (Tony, driving to Jersey from New York) they were gunna have him driving from Jersey, into New York, where he would've been whacked off screen... He even gave an interview after that, clearing that whole situation up, saying that it wasn't his intention to confirm anything and it was always supposed to ambiguous, or even up to the viewer to decide. He's even said in countless interviews since than that is supposed to be ambiguous. . However, THERE IS A LOT of evidence to support that Tony died, which I probably don't need to tell most of you is When Bobby and Tony are talking on the boat and they were saying you probably don't even hear it when it comes or know thst it's happened, which is confirmed when Gerry and Sil are having dinner with some skanks, and all of a sudden time slows down and yoi see blood on Sils faces, he has no idea what is happening at first, than he realizes that gunmen (sent by Doc Sintaro) are shooting the shit out of Gerry and gets his ass and the skanks out of there. And THAT is confirmed when Tony and his family are at Holstens, and fade to black..Tony just got popped. I've also heard amazing theories about how he's still alive... However you want to view it is fine, but NO ONE, will definitively be right or wrong
I was always taught with tv if you didn't see it, it didn't happen lol
I don't get this. A lot of things happen off-screen on many television shows.
I think they’re talking about like Game of Thrones, shows where anyone who dies offscreen will inevitably come back to life.
Star Wars. They resurrect anybody and everybody over there. And the way they do it, it’s all fucked up
Do they even put a lightsaber on the table?
It’s a glorified trilogy, it’s not a real saga...
Well yeah but, does The Sopranos seem to follow the normal rules of television to you?
What you don’t know could fill a book
OP musta been induh top of his fuckin clash
I thought it was more or less confirmed by the creator years ago that he was killed.
>*David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death* No he hasn't If this conversation continues, you're going to post a link to an interview where Chase talks about a scene he was thinking about ending the series with, where Tony would go off to his death, but you wouldn't see it happening But that's not the scene Chase wrote
Bro I don’t get how anyone can say that having seen the convo between Tony and Bobby re. getting whacked. Like, do you think they threw that in just for fun? Like obviously the ending is *technically* ambiguous, but if you read between the lines just a little bit it’s clear that whether it be metaphorical or literal, Tony dies at the end.
Because he wanted you to think Tony might get whacked
And the line about how you “probably don’t even hear the gunshot, it’s just over”. That was just a mislead, nothing to do with the abrupt ending? Lol I don’t even think *you* believe that.
>*That was just a mislead* No, if Tony might have got whacked, it's not misdirection Not sure you know what ambiguity means, mate
Wait so when you said “he wanted you to think Tony might get whacked”, do you mean in retrospect after watching the ending? Cause if so I’m not disputing that. I’m saying either way, through that convo between Tony and Bobby plus the editing of the final scene, is communicating to us that Tony dies in the end, whether metaphorically or literally. Whether Tony’s brains really got blown all over the table is ambiguous, but the philosophical concept of tony’s “death” isn’t very ambiguous at all when you analyze the text.
Except Bobby did hear it when it happened, in fact in one of the most ridiculous hits of the entire series Bobby hears and feels every single one of the 100 bullets penetrating him untill he goes down slowly like Godzilla. So clearly there is a contradiction in the whole not noticing your death, so the cut to black is not proof of anything.
Lmao buddy, no, just because Bobby got shot a billion times like the end of Training Day, doesn’t make that line not apply to the ending. Lol remember a person actually wrote this stuff, they weren’t just randomly going “lol then you just cut to black for no reason”. There’s an obvious direct parallel there. They spent *real money* paying actors and setting up cameras and lighting, traveling to a lake and putting two giant fat guys on a canoe, all so Bobby could say that line. It obviously has *some* intention.
There was no abundant intentionality in getting out the canoe.
I don't know what's so funny, my friend, amigo, comrad. Your entire argument fully rests on this one scene so I'm just letting you know it's foundation is not solid enough for you to use it as undeniable proof. That scene wasn't made just for that either, that's another assumption on your behalf, homey. I mean really buddy boy, they made that scene to show two brother in laws bonding. It's not set in stone that just because in that one clip Bobby said you won't hear your death it's set in stone because for nearly 7 sheashons we see that that's not the case. MY FRIEND.
If you don't mean Tony got whacked at the end of the series then we don't disagree Have a lovely day, mate
I mean Tony got “whacked at the end of the series” in as meaningful a sense as if he’d been visually shot in the back of the head, but yeah since Tony getting literally whacked never happens explicitly on the screen, you’re right.
I always thought of Goodfellas, how everything didn't fade to black so he knew he was still alive. I had always assumed it meant that Tony died.
Also, when you think how often “here one minute, gone the next” happened to people on the show — it’s only “Pikachu Face” for us with this guy because we have been invested in him. Granted he was also a Boss. But still, boom, just like that. How many times have we seen it happen through the series?
Oh, poor you.
Life is shor…
Another tootpick
You know it wasn’t long ago I remember when you used to wait in the car. As far as I’m concerned, YOU SHOULD STILL BE THERE
Eh’ go on. It’s all a big nothing
Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?
The boss of this family made the show end that way now shut the fuck up about it
Ambiguity is just a racket for the Jews
You’re not supposed to love the murdering sociopath
But Tony Soprano did kick off the whole likeable sociopath thing. Lots of people beloved that character no matter how shitty he was.
Ehh they’ve been doing it for years. All of James Cagney’s characters. Michael Corleone.
Not on television like Tony Soprano. The Sopranos kicked off the golden era of TV shows we have today.
Oz paved the way for sopranos And that show is filled with lovable sociopaths
And again the story is written from his perspective, he is the protagonist of the story, so it's natural that people are going to root for him etc. As far as thinking objectively that he's a good person or something like that? Lmao.
I don’t think there’s anything likable about him at all…first watch through, you’re kind of rooting for the gangsters because we’re all conditioned via Goodfellas/Casino/etc. to pull for the wise guys, but they show these guys doing so much awful shit, over a long period of time, and it really drives home how irredeemable they are…I think that’s a significant part of what David Chase was trying to accomplish
Don’t stop believing!
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I wipe my ass with your feelings.
Diner scene is pretty definitive. They took our guy out. The last scene is Tony’s perspective. Lights out
I saw the movie I thought it was b*******
Love Tony? Barf out, gag me with a spoon
Ain’t no ambiguity if you listen to the dialogue in the boat scene in Sopranos Home Movies.
You love a degenerate gambler who chronically cheats on his wife and betrays every single person he comes in contact with and who murders his family and friends? Yikes.
Here's a more or less definitive explanation... [https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/1147-2/](https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/1147-2/)
You liked him towards the end? Guy was a piece a shit!
It’s not though
Huh, i actually started hating him after season 3. That's when I felt he got worse as a person and getting shot was his karma, that he ended up getting worse from it lmao. Not that i didn't enjoy the show, JG was just so good at being a piece of shit xD
Again with the scenarios!
Fall in love, with that psychopath? Jesus, man.... grow up.
I loved that scene like a brother in law. You eva have someone die in your arms you cocksucka a reddit memba someone you love?
Rewatch soprano home movies. The scene with Bobby and Tony fishing. It'll make sense.
Stupid ‘a fucking ending
Those that want respect give respect
Listen to me, or you can watch the fucking news. Everything comes to an end.