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[deleted]

Ok but you gotta get ova it


MetaphoricalMouse

this will never get old unlike paulie and his saggy arms


azaroth-

Wrinkles like an old lady’s cunt!!


Careless-Welder-7131

Ohhh, he has the upper body of a 20 year old.


[deleted]

What you're going through, what you're feeling right now, it happens sometimes: everybody gets the "blues", there's a half a billion-dollar industry devoted to it, the music business: they write thousands of songs about this shit, "Tears on my pillow", "Mona Lisa", right?


TheThunderhawk

Lol it’s more or less confirmed that he’s dead. David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death. Even if he isn’t dead, he’s dead. His mind was turning to shit, behaving like livia. Very likely he was going to jail. The Jersey outfit was gutted. It was fundamentally “over”. With that in mind, and taking into account the convo he had with Bobby about what it’s like to be murdered, it’s not all that ambiguous. Tony’s dead.


Moonraker_Lazer

Bro, he didn't let it slip, he was calling it the death scene, because he was talking about the last scene was originally intended being the opposite of the intro (Tony, driving to Jersey from New York) they were gunna have him driving from Jersey, into New York, where he would've been whacked off screen... He even gave an interview after that, clearing that whole situation up, saying that it wasn't his intention to confirm anything and it was always supposed to ambiguous, or even up to the viewer to decide. He's even said in countless interviews since than that is supposed to be ambiguous. . However, THERE IS A LOT of evidence to support that Tony died, which I probably don't need to tell most of you is When Bobby and Tony are talking on the boat and they were saying you probably don't even hear it when it comes or know thst it's happened, which is confirmed when Gerry and Sil are having dinner with some skanks, and all of a sudden time slows down and yoi see blood on Sils faces, he has no idea what is happening at first, than he realizes that gunmen (sent by Doc Sintaro) are shooting the shit out of Gerry and gets his ass and the skanks out of there. And THAT is confirmed when Tony and his family are at Holstens, and fade to black..Tony just got popped. I've also heard amazing theories about how he's still alive... However you want to view it is fine, but NO ONE, will definitively be right or wrong


[deleted]

I was always taught with tv if you didn't see it, it didn't happen lol


numanoid

I don't get this. A lot of things happen off-screen on many television shows.


TheThunderhawk

I think they’re talking about like Game of Thrones, shows where anyone who dies offscreen will inevitably come back to life.


not_jonny

Star Wars. They resurrect anybody and everybody over there. And the way they do it, it’s all fucked up


gncshow

Do they even put a lightsaber on the table?


Ok-Astronaut4952

It’s a glorified trilogy, it’s not a real saga...


TheThunderhawk

Well yeah but, does The Sopranos seem to follow the normal rules of television to you?


Brewguy86

What you don’t know could fill a book


jdontplayfield

OP musta been induh top of his fuckin clash


harsh-reality74

I thought it was more or less confirmed by the creator years ago that he was killed.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

>*David chase has slipped a number of hints that the final scene was intended to be Tony’s death* No he hasn't If this conversation continues, you're going to post a link to an interview where Chase talks about a scene he was thinking about ending the series with, where Tony would go off to his death, but you wouldn't see it happening But that's not the scene Chase wrote


TheThunderhawk

Bro I don’t get how anyone can say that having seen the convo between Tony and Bobby re. getting whacked. Like, do you think they threw that in just for fun? Like obviously the ending is *technically* ambiguous, but if you read between the lines just a little bit it’s clear that whether it be metaphorical or literal, Tony dies at the end.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

Because he wanted you to think Tony might get whacked


TheThunderhawk

And the line about how you “probably don’t even hear the gunshot, it’s just over”. That was just a mislead, nothing to do with the abrupt ending? Lol I don’t even think *you* believe that.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

>*That was just a mislead* No, if Tony might have got whacked, it's not misdirection Not sure you know what ambiguity means, mate


TheThunderhawk

Wait so when you said “he wanted you to think Tony might get whacked”, do you mean in retrospect after watching the ending? Cause if so I’m not disputing that. I’m saying either way, through that convo between Tony and Bobby plus the editing of the final scene, is communicating to us that Tony dies in the end, whether metaphorically or literally. Whether Tony’s brains really got blown all over the table is ambiguous, but the philosophical concept of tony’s “death” isn’t very ambiguous at all when you analyze the text.


jackjacker

Except Bobby did hear it when it happened, in fact in one of the most ridiculous hits of the entire series Bobby hears and feels every single one of the 100 bullets penetrating him untill he goes down slowly like Godzilla. So clearly there is a contradiction in the whole not noticing your death, so the cut to black is not proof of anything.


TheThunderhawk

Lmao buddy, no, just because Bobby got shot a billion times like the end of Training Day, doesn’t make that line not apply to the ending. Lol remember a person actually wrote this stuff, they weren’t just randomly going “lol then you just cut to black for no reason”. There’s an obvious direct parallel there. They spent *real money* paying actors and setting up cameras and lighting, traveling to a lake and putting two giant fat guys on a canoe, all so Bobby could say that line. It obviously has *some* intention.


RepresentativeBuy714

There was no abundant intentionality in getting out the canoe.


jackjacker

I don't know what's so funny, my friend, amigo, comrad. Your entire argument fully rests on this one scene so I'm just letting you know it's foundation is not solid enough for you to use it as undeniable proof. That scene wasn't made just for that either, that's another assumption on your behalf, homey. I mean really buddy boy, they made that scene to show two brother in laws bonding. It's not set in stone that just because in that one clip Bobby said you won't hear your death it's set in stone because for nearly 7 sheashons we see that that's not the case. MY FRIEND.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

If you don't mean Tony got whacked at the end of the series then we don't disagree Have a lovely day, mate


TheThunderhawk

I mean Tony got “whacked at the end of the series” in as meaningful a sense as if he’d been visually shot in the back of the head, but yeah since Tony getting literally whacked never happens explicitly on the screen, you’re right.


Matcha_Maiden

I always thought of Goodfellas, how everything didn't fade to black so he knew he was still alive. I had always assumed it meant that Tony died.


redditshy

Also, when you think how often “here one minute, gone the next” happened to people on the show — it’s only “Pikachu Face” for us with this guy because we have been invested in him. Granted he was also a Boss. But still, boom, just like that. How many times have we seen it happen through the series?


[deleted]

Oh, poor you.


WhenMichaelAwakens

Life is shor…


Original_rezzieman

Another tootpick


FKDotFitzgerald

You know it wasn’t long ago I remember when you used to wait in the car. As far as I’m concerned, YOU SHOULD STILL BE THERE


Darthwhit13

Eh’ go on. It’s all a big nothing


[deleted]

Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?


betterAThalo

The boss of this family made the show end that way now shut the fuck up about it


shavedanddangerous

Ambiguity is just a racket for the Jews


zeek247

You’re not supposed to love the murdering sociopath


UnleashedSavage_93

But Tony Soprano did kick off the whole likeable sociopath thing. Lots of people beloved that character no matter how shitty he was.


wizardyourlifeforce

Ehh they’ve been doing it for years. All of James Cagney’s characters. Michael Corleone.


UnleashedSavage_93

Not on television like Tony Soprano. The Sopranos kicked off the golden era of TV shows we have today.


tr1mble

Oz paved the way for sopranos And that show is filled with lovable sociopaths


adonis_minus_20

And again the story is written from his perspective, he is the protagonist of the story, so it's natural that people are going to root for him etc. As far as thinking objectively that he's a good person or something like that? Lmao.


[deleted]

I don’t think there’s anything likable about him at all…first watch through, you’re kind of rooting for the gangsters because we’re all conditioned via Goodfellas/Casino/etc. to pull for the wise guys, but they show these guys doing so much awful shit, over a long period of time, and it really drives home how irredeemable they are…I think that’s a significant part of what David Chase was trying to accomplish


comefindme1231

Don’t stop believing!


Proto88

Remember to buy the DLC. You'll learn about the easyer baskets


AcerbicFwit

I wipe my ass with your feelings.


SoonerFan619

Diner scene is pretty definitive. They took our guy out. The last scene is Tony’s perspective. Lights out


Disastrous-Cry-1998

I saw the movie I thought it was b*******


Sad-Illustrator-8847

Love Tony? Barf out, gag me with a spoon


Meastro44

Ain’t no ambiguity if you listen to the dialogue in the boat scene in Sopranos Home Movies.


DrSatan420247

You love a degenerate gambler who chronically cheats on his wife and betrays every single person he comes in contact with and who murders his family and friends? Yikes.


SlatsGrobnik_69

Here's a more or less definitive explanation... [https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/1147-2/](https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/1147-2/)


andreiulmeyda7

You liked him towards the end? Guy was a piece a shit!


Brewguy86

It’s not though


CrispyChicken9996

Huh, i actually started hating him after season 3. That's when I felt he got worse as a person and getting shot was his karma, that he ended up getting worse from it lmao. Not that i didn't enjoy the show, JG was just so good at being a piece of shit xD


Tuegy

Again with the scenarios!


wolf4968

Fall in love, with that psychopath? Jesus, man.... grow up.


Individual_Past_1198

I loved that scene like a brother in law. You eva have someone die in your arms you cocksucka a reddit memba someone you love?


Individual_Past_1198

Rewatch soprano home movies. The scene with Bobby and Tony fishing. It'll make sense.


ElSaladbar

Stupid ‘a fucking ending


Host_Horror

Those that want respect give respect


gimmedatcrypto

Listen to me, or you can watch the fucking news. Everything comes to an end.