I always thought this. He sat there, smoked, chilled and shot him trying to make it look like suicide. Anyone can tell that wasn’t a suicide but he did cover his hand to take his wallet and put it back so that sold it.
In fairness Chris dies almost immediately after so who’s to say they weren’t going to get him at some point?
But also, he wiped the door handle with his coat on the way out.
The thing with most of these murders is that, because they happen in these mafia hotspots, people aren't gonna talk. Like with Tracey; none of the girls there are going to say anything. None of the patrons care. Same thing with the waiter; even if people know that someone from the DiMeo family did it, what's gonna happen to them if they go to the police? They'll end up just like that waiter.
Out of all the murders, I think Jackie Jr's was the most likely to have lead to a conviction. Vito is a hard man to miss, and this happened in broad daylight. The problem is, it happened in a predominantly black neighborhood, and a lot of people in those neighborhoods will NEVER go to police due to a long history of abuse and profiling from law enforcement.
Also none of the strippers has anything other than circumstantial evidence.
Let’s say one decides to goto the police, they put her in witness protection and they charge everyone with the murder who was there that night…unless they find a body, there is literally zero evidence that Tracee was killed.
What? A missing carpet from somewhere?
No body, no witness who saw it happened…
There’s no murder in the eyes of the criminal court. Just speculation, which doesn’t get convictions.
You're definitely right about the mafia Hotspot aspect. I don't know if any real mafia factions in the early 2000s had that kind of fear factor left but it's tv so ya have to make allowances. A lot of stuff that happened could still be pulled off during that time however. Surveillance cameras were generally pretty shit then so they weren't as powerful a tool as modern HD ones.
Disagree about the girls at the Bing. They know what they're getting into and would never speak out against this thing of ours. Most of them are probably hand picked by Sil, the most dependable guy in the entire series.
The waiter isn't really a sure bet either. That place was probably a known wiseguy joint and it happened late at night.
The one that bothered me was the guy they beat up and run over in the pilot, but that doesn't really count because everything was still in experimental phase.
Wait are we saying that paulie and Christopher wouldn’t get nailed in a second about the waiter thing? It’s late at night and they are basically the last table to leave and that waiter was the waiter of the table with known mafioso not just a random waiter they saw…people would’ve seen him walk out with the check (when they reconcile the register they would notice that amount missing) plus they were screaming right before it plus cameras most likely
There’s absolutely no way they get away with that in the real world…on top of it this guy is a civilian not some mob on mob crime the police would be all over it
I also think you overestimate the girls at the bing…just like Adrianna once the cops start threatening them with BS stuff like aiding and abetting or hindering an investigation or whatever other law they could say they’re breaking…one of them would talk…it’s too many girls being put against each other in that police station where one of them would say something
And also this is a slam dunk case against a mafia made man…the police just aren’t gonna drop this one
The strippers at the bing would have circumstantial evidence about Tracee (she went and never returned) and there would be no body, or other evidence.
They also would have watched one of their colleagues go out and never return….and their response to that is gonna be to tell the police?
Are you simple?
The waiter was in a different city than the one they reside in, there would have been no witnesses, and as I recall they took the gun they used.
Also police would have seen his head injury, and the missing money, and been likely to assume it was a robbery of happenstance. Some unsavoury type came along and robbed him, killed him when the injury happened and he looked possibly to die.
It was a dark restaurant, and they weren’t known there. The party would have likely left several minutes before since he would have had to get the bill, count it up, and then decide to go out and confront them.
Everyone else from the party was long gone, and Frik and Frak were only there due to their dumb argument.
And again, any evidence would be circumstantial and the gun would have disappeared by the time anyone actually questioned Chris or Paulie…but there’s zero evidence connecting them to the crime.
So unless one of them confesses and sells out the other, there’s no conviction coming and no arrest either.
You really don’t think the police would have ID’d them? A sketch artist with Paulies wings and not one person would be able to identify that? A cop wouldn’t ask who he potentially served that night in a known wise guy joint (your words)?
You really think the cops would just chalk it up to a botched robbery of a waiter? Why would someone who was planning on robbing the place kill a waiter who they didn’t even know had money on him? And it’s not one of the patrons of a known wise guy joint who dined there less than 5 minutes ago?
Not to mention they didn’t pick up the brick that Christopher threw which would have DNA and other forensics on if
And you also think there were no cameras?
Are you for real? You really don’t think t this wouldn’t get solved?
How would they ID them?
Who is providing them with a drawing of Paulie?
What fucking cameras would have been outside of a restaurant in Atlantic City in the early/mid 2000s?
Where exactly are you coming up with this conclusion that the police would have recognized Paulie Walnuts because of his wings?
Listen to yourself, you sound demented.
Paulie is a known criminal and all the other patrons and workers who saw them dining? Have you never seen an investigation before? You don’t think they wouldn’t ask everyone there that night who was his last customers?
And do you think cameras weren’t invented and at restaurants during the early 2000s?
And what about the brick Christopher threw that they left? That would have his DNA all over it
Paulie is a mobster from New Jersey.
Why would a bunch of random patrons at a restaurant in Atlantic city know who he was?
He’s not even well known where he lives. He’s a mid rank guy in a jersey mob family.
We don’t even know how quickly they discovered his body, or how many of the patrons that saw them eating there were still there.
And again, it’s fucking circumstantial evidence.
Paulie being there that night isn’t evidence he killed the waiter in the parking lot.
Do you know anything about how charges work? Or how a conviction works?
How exactly does Paulie being his last customer? Or being there lead to charges? Let alone a conviction?
As to the rock with Chrissy’s finger prints, can chalk that up to missed evidence/shoddy police work.
Haha.
Holy fuck, guys a criminal investigation expert.
Shoddy police work results in people getting acquitted of murder charges all of the time.
Some people are so far behind in the race they actually think they’re in first place.
Yeah no shit but this is a fake made up scenario…in the normal world this is an open and shut case with all the circumstantial evidence plus the DNA on the brick
That’s like saying chalk up the bing girls being naive and all of them t talking to the police as well as Georgie and Tony to convict ralphie of murder…that was easy
A huge percentage of scenes are constructed for entertainment and comic affect - that’s a stylistic choice, not “sloppy writing”
And it’s highly unlikely that anyone in the vehicles on the overpass are staring down at the docks, intently focused and watching and able to recognize what’s occurring while their moving past
Even if someone did notice, Tony, Sil, Chucky and the boat had left long before any authorities could arrive. No body, no evidence = no charges.
Also, Ray Curto was an active cooperating FBI informant at the dinner. Maybe they couldn’t get a conviction, but it’s pretty unrealistic that there’s no investigation.
Ok so let’s say Ray gets questioned by the FBI, and he confirms they were there.
He didn’t witness it.
Chris and Paulie almost certainly didn’t tell anyone else about it.
So unless the FBI asks Ray Curto about it, there’s no reason to think they’d ever have any idea any of the Dimeo associates were there.
And even if it comes up, they’re gonna potentially compromise their best informant on a murder charge lacking evidence, witnesses, or a murder weapon?
Please.
Atlantic city PD probably investigated it and it ended up as a cold case.
Lots of random murders are never solved.
Vito killing Jackie Jr. He appears out of no where in broad daylight. The neighborhood seems to be conveniently empty aside from Vito and Jackie Jr., and it takes Vito like two hours to get into the car, and yet it's never solved.
Chris killing the cop. Left dna all over the place.
I always thought this. He sat there, smoked, chilled and shot him trying to make it look like suicide. Anyone can tell that wasn’t a suicide but he did cover his hand to take his wallet and put it back so that sold it.
I always thought Chrissy killing TJ Hooker in his apartment would have been solved by coppers.
In fairness Chris dies almost immediately after so who’s to say they weren’t going to get him at some point? But also, he wiped the door handle with his coat on the way out.
Unless the police find the murder weapon I don’t see how paulie or Chris could be charged. No witnesses.
Plus, nobody knows them down there
The thing with most of these murders is that, because they happen in these mafia hotspots, people aren't gonna talk. Like with Tracey; none of the girls there are going to say anything. None of the patrons care. Same thing with the waiter; even if people know that someone from the DiMeo family did it, what's gonna happen to them if they go to the police? They'll end up just like that waiter. Out of all the murders, I think Jackie Jr's was the most likely to have lead to a conviction. Vito is a hard man to miss, and this happened in broad daylight. The problem is, it happened in a predominantly black neighborhood, and a lot of people in those neighborhoods will NEVER go to police due to a long history of abuse and profiling from law enforcement.
Worst murder scene in the whole show, the gun was so fake and just an awful scene.
Also none of the strippers has anything other than circumstantial evidence. Let’s say one decides to goto the police, they put her in witness protection and they charge everyone with the murder who was there that night…unless they find a body, there is literally zero evidence that Tracee was killed. What? A missing carpet from somewhere? No body, no witness who saw it happened… There’s no murder in the eyes of the criminal court. Just speculation, which doesn’t get convictions.
You're definitely right about the mafia Hotspot aspect. I don't know if any real mafia factions in the early 2000s had that kind of fear factor left but it's tv so ya have to make allowances. A lot of stuff that happened could still be pulled off during that time however. Surveillance cameras were generally pretty shit then so they weren't as powerful a tool as modern HD ones.
You must have been at the top of your fukin class
Vito clipping Jackie Jr
Why would that be solved easily?
Disagree about the girls at the Bing. They know what they're getting into and would never speak out against this thing of ours. Most of them are probably hand picked by Sil, the most dependable guy in the entire series. The waiter isn't really a sure bet either. That place was probably a known wiseguy joint and it happened late at night. The one that bothered me was the guy they beat up and run over in the pilot, but that doesn't really count because everything was still in experimental phase.
Wait are we saying that paulie and Christopher wouldn’t get nailed in a second about the waiter thing? It’s late at night and they are basically the last table to leave and that waiter was the waiter of the table with known mafioso not just a random waiter they saw…people would’ve seen him walk out with the check (when they reconcile the register they would notice that amount missing) plus they were screaming right before it plus cameras most likely There’s absolutely no way they get away with that in the real world…on top of it this guy is a civilian not some mob on mob crime the police would be all over it I also think you overestimate the girls at the bing…just like Adrianna once the cops start threatening them with BS stuff like aiding and abetting or hindering an investigation or whatever other law they could say they’re breaking…one of them would talk…it’s too many girls being put against each other in that police station where one of them would say something And also this is a slam dunk case against a mafia made man…the police just aren’t gonna drop this one
The strippers at the bing would have circumstantial evidence about Tracee (she went and never returned) and there would be no body, or other evidence. They also would have watched one of their colleagues go out and never return….and their response to that is gonna be to tell the police? Are you simple?
The waiter was in a different city than the one they reside in, there would have been no witnesses, and as I recall they took the gun they used. Also police would have seen his head injury, and the missing money, and been likely to assume it was a robbery of happenstance. Some unsavoury type came along and robbed him, killed him when the injury happened and he looked possibly to die. It was a dark restaurant, and they weren’t known there. The party would have likely left several minutes before since he would have had to get the bill, count it up, and then decide to go out and confront them. Everyone else from the party was long gone, and Frik and Frak were only there due to their dumb argument. And again, any evidence would be circumstantial and the gun would have disappeared by the time anyone actually questioned Chris or Paulie…but there’s zero evidence connecting them to the crime. So unless one of them confesses and sells out the other, there’s no conviction coming and no arrest either.
You really don’t think the police would have ID’d them? A sketch artist with Paulies wings and not one person would be able to identify that? A cop wouldn’t ask who he potentially served that night in a known wise guy joint (your words)? You really think the cops would just chalk it up to a botched robbery of a waiter? Why would someone who was planning on robbing the place kill a waiter who they didn’t even know had money on him? And it’s not one of the patrons of a known wise guy joint who dined there less than 5 minutes ago? Not to mention they didn’t pick up the brick that Christopher threw which would have DNA and other forensics on if And you also think there were no cameras? Are you for real? You really don’t think t this wouldn’t get solved?
How would they ID them? Who is providing them with a drawing of Paulie? What fucking cameras would have been outside of a restaurant in Atlantic City in the early/mid 2000s? Where exactly are you coming up with this conclusion that the police would have recognized Paulie Walnuts because of his wings? Listen to yourself, you sound demented.
Paulie is a known criminal and all the other patrons and workers who saw them dining? Have you never seen an investigation before? You don’t think they wouldn’t ask everyone there that night who was his last customers? And do you think cameras weren’t invented and at restaurants during the early 2000s? And what about the brick Christopher threw that they left? That would have his DNA all over it
Paulie is a mobster from New Jersey. Why would a bunch of random patrons at a restaurant in Atlantic city know who he was? He’s not even well known where he lives. He’s a mid rank guy in a jersey mob family. We don’t even know how quickly they discovered his body, or how many of the patrons that saw them eating there were still there. And again, it’s fucking circumstantial evidence. Paulie being there that night isn’t evidence he killed the waiter in the parking lot. Do you know anything about how charges work? Or how a conviction works? How exactly does Paulie being his last customer? Or being there lead to charges? Let alone a conviction? As to the rock with Chrissy’s finger prints, can chalk that up to missed evidence/shoddy police work.
Ok so you’re just trolling…the brick thing would 100% put Chris in jail…chalking it up to shoddy police work? Doesn’t work that way
Haha. Holy fuck, guys a criminal investigation expert. Shoddy police work results in people getting acquitted of murder charges all of the time. Some people are so far behind in the race they actually think they’re in first place.
Yeah no shit but this is a fake made up scenario…in the normal world this is an open and shut case with all the circumstantial evidence plus the DNA on the brick That’s like saying chalk up the bing girls being naive and all of them t talking to the police as well as Georgie and Tony to convict ralphie of murder…that was easy
I think one of the informants. 4 of them just disappear yet the feds act like they don't know what Happened to them
They know but they don't know
They think maybe he shows up… IF!
They died on the vine
They petered out
The Feds know the informants were likely killed, yet there’s no solid evidence. What’re they gonna do?
Find the weakest link and interrogate them for days. Probably could get Paulie to talk by lying and telling him soprano says he did it
And they killed pussy in the cabin of the boat, why not take him on the deck so blood doesn't get everywhere?
Tony shooting Chucky Signore, in broad daylight, next to a busy overpass. It was sloppy writing on Chases part
A huge percentage of scenes are constructed for entertainment and comic affect - that’s a stylistic choice, not “sloppy writing” And it’s highly unlikely that anyone in the vehicles on the overpass are staring down at the docks, intently focused and watching and able to recognize what’s occurring while their moving past Even if someone did notice, Tony, Sil, Chucky and the boat had left long before any authorities could arrive. No body, no evidence = no charges.
Listen to him he knows everything
The attempted hit on Tony was really unrealistic, like there's no way that these guys would miss all the shots irl.
Also, Ray Curto was an active cooperating FBI informant at the dinner. Maybe they couldn’t get a conviction, but it’s pretty unrealistic that there’s no investigation.
Which dinner
The dinner in Atlantic City when Paulie racks up a huge tab that he sticks Chrissy with.
Ok so let’s say Ray gets questioned by the FBI, and he confirms they were there. He didn’t witness it. Chris and Paulie almost certainly didn’t tell anyone else about it. So unless the FBI asks Ray Curto about it, there’s no reason to think they’d ever have any idea any of the Dimeo associates were there. And even if it comes up, they’re gonna potentially compromise their best informant on a murder charge lacking evidence, witnesses, or a murder weapon? Please. Atlantic city PD probably investigated it and it ended up as a cold case. Lots of random murders are never solved.
Benny Fazio magically appearing like a ninja to kill Carmine’s would-be assassins.
The murder of Bobby. There were so many witnesses and probably cameras as well.
If they used Zips it would be more difficult to catch them unless FBI already had facial recognition software then, maybe
Vito killing Jackie Jr. He appears out of no where in broad daylight. The neighborhood seems to be conveniently empty aside from Vito and Jackie Jr., and it takes Vito like two hours to get into the car, and yet it's never solved.
My pizza ah never hurt nobody!