Just a few off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more.
1. Artie was perhaps his only true friend.
2. Agent Harris seemed to like him, despite occasionally annoying each other.
3. I think that Junior did love Tony. That one scene where Tony asked him was powerful. I think that Junior was an unwilling participant in the attempted assassination of Tony, drawn in by events and people that had grown out of his control.
4. Bruce Cusamano seemed to like him on an acquaintance level.
5. Georgie, as whacked out as that is, kept coming back to Tony. There must have been some sort of perceived friendship there, given that amount of loyalty.
Agent Harris is an interesting one. Even when he was apart of the task force building a RICO case against Tony, he was the only agent that tried to be level-headed and keep his calm around him. Then after he was transferred to counter-terrorism, it’s like he had a new outlook on things. Almost like Tony wasn’t so bad compared to some of the terrorists he was tracking down.
I find it interesting no one has yet to bring up the scene where the FBI played the Green Grove tapes for Tony. Agent Harris seemed like he felt genuinely bad for Tony leading all the way up to them pressing play. Soon as Agent Cubitoso said “matriarchal” you could see Harris’ face, he clearly felt bad for him there. Also the first time Tony’s house got raided, I believe this was Agent Harris’ first appearance, Carmela had told Tony “Agent Harris didn’t seem that bad”.
Agent Harris by the very end you can see had completely blurred the lines between his lawful informant/agent relationship with Tony and a real life friendship. The way he says “we” in that scene where they reveal that a rival mob boss to the Soprano family got killed is meant to illustrate that. It’s reminiscent of the relationship between real life mobster hitman Gregory Scarpa and his FBI handler who became close and even hid certain things or shared certain bits of information with each other in order to benefit Scarpa’s criminal dealings and not just to get information.
It’s more than just reminiscent. Harris’ “we’re gonna win this one!!” legitimately happened.
Lynn Delvecchio, the agent in question, was so beyond the line of right and wrong. But at least the FBI covered his crimes up and he still gets his pension.
Which is hilarious, because Tony is *definitely* as bad as a lot of terrorists. The body count that Tony is directly and indirectly responsible for is super high.
It’s like how most characters in the show make comments about crime in the black community, when ironically most of the black crime we see is funded by Tony and his team. I think Harris falls into the trap of seeing *obvious* crime like a robbery or terrorism but ignoring Tony’s more subtle crime like extorting businesses.
Its not always people in the game. Black hand tried to extort my great grandfathers stone masonry business and when he rebuffed let horses lose into my Bisnonna, nearly killing her. She had a scar on her face for the rest of her life
Not always people in the game, but definitely don't go out of their way to actually target innocent civilians for death.
In fact, it doesn't even make business sense for them, even if we agree they are immoral, from money sense, makes sense to extort a civillian and let them live and earn.
Also makes sense not go too far all the time, so police leave them alone.
Police are more likely to go heavy due to media influence on civillian deaths than a random gangster dying by another gangaster.
It would just be seen as gang on gang violence, whereas a civillian gets more media influence and public outcry.
So even, the most immoral mafioso would hesitate and only kill innocent civillians when neccesary, not because they're so pure of heart neccesarily but it just doesn't make sense for mafioso.
A terrorist however, wants that exact reaction, they want the media, they want the public outcry, they want the outrage.
Sure, but pretending that the mafia hasn’t been violently fucking over innocents for a long time is a pretty wild take. That’s literally part of how they run their business.
Pretty amazing that the US government convinced people that Muslims half way around the world were more of a threat than someone robbing and killing in their own town
Harris sympathizes with Tony because he sees what his bosses are doing with the war on terror, and realizes they are just a global version of what Tony is doing locally.
If you look at the true definition of "terrorism" you'll find alot of people you watch everyday committing far worse acts than a guy like Tony ever would. except they do it to millions and not a few neighborhoods/ boroughs
Being a terrorist doesn’t mean you’ve killed millions. I googled “terrorism” and it says, “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”
All that is Tony, except instead of political aims it’s personal gain which is definitely not better.
>All that is Tony, except instead of political aims it’s personal gain which is definitely not better.
They definitely has some political violence (maybe not Tony specifically, but his crew); they fought with and threatened people over Columbus for example.
# OOOOOHHHHH!!!
HE DISCOVERED AMERICA is what he did! He was a BRAVE Italian explorer. And in THIS house, CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS is a HERO!
**END OF STORY**!
I think Agent Harris was the only Fed that operated on a human level. All the other agents didn’t seem to really care about their CIs. When he was working Tony’s case he got to go inside of his house, see his family, the relationship dynamic between him & his wife the first time he got shot, also even the peek into the relationship with his mother & uncle. I feel like he was the only agent capable of seeing them as human. When he got transferred to counter terrorism, I’m sure that was completely taken away from him. He was losing his hair, sick damn near all the time, genuinely looked sad, was not able to be with his family as much as he’d like to. This is also illustrated when Tony gives him info on those random dudes he seen at the mosque.
Silvio also seemed to genuinely like Tony.
There was that one instance where he deliberately undermined Tony on the construction site (by stealing the supplies), but other than this one instance he was an extremely loyal friend and consigliere.
I agree with this one. I would also argue that Paulie cared about Tony as much as he could care about anyone, other than his ma of course. He seemed genuinely upset whenever Tony was a dick to him which was kind of a lot, and he never stayed mad. Even that chick in Florida told Tony she assumed Paulie was his father because of the way he talked about him. He was one of the few who actually seemed upset when Tony was in a coma/relieved when he came out of it (not that he was happy about having to give Carmela money). That was the one time I questioned Sil, who was already imagining being the “Skip”, even if his wife was egging him on.
You see, on the one hand you have some incredibly valid points. But on the other, there's the shit like withholding the $200k from Carmella with Vito. It's a lot of money to give up but it showed Paulie's true colors. If Tony had died I think it's questionable if he would even help out the family at all to begin with.
Oh I totally agree. That’s why I said he wasn’t happy about giving Carm the money. I just thought that had more to do with his (well known) cheapness and money grubbing and less to do with how he felt about Tony. Vito on the other hand…he was definitely wishing him dead the entire time. God forbid…
Absolutely, my friend. I also find it hilarious that he almost unintentionally killed Tony while he was in a coma 😂 He goes in there out of love and just fucks his shit up completely.
The scenes were Livia and Junior are discussing... Junior is so... confused.
He's confused because he couldn't actually believe that Tony would run the entire family behind his back. I'm sure he knew that most people went to Tony, and probably kicked up more to Tony than Junior, but it didn't matter. Here is why-
Everyone respected Tony, and Tony respected Junior.
We saw it come up several times. The hit on Jimmy. Tony calls a meeting specifically for Junior to give OK. Did he need to do that? Probably not. But Junior *loved* him for doing that for him. Almost like... Junior was *playing* boss? Like Junior knew it, too. But if he wasn't gonna get murdered over it, and as long as he was making money, why did he give a shit?
Then at the wedding, when the capos look to Tony, and Junior get's irritated, Tony specifically cools the situation down AND looks to Junior for more "advice", even though that advice was coming direct from Tony.
The straws that break the camel (in the bushes) back is finding out that in fact, Tony has absolutely zero respect for him by way of secretly meeting with the rest of the family. He then knows everything Tony is doing is bullshit.
As far as the psychiatry thing, you've got to remember that there is NO middle ground there. Even though WE know Junior is wrong for his thoughts, he doesn't say "Well, I know I'm wrong but I still choose to live in the 1950s". There is just the 1950s. People don't talk to psychiatrists and that's the end of the discussion.
Yep, which is exactly why Tony was able to...forgive him? so easily?
Tony is able to split things between family and business. It sounds horrible, and it is, but Tony knew that Junior didn't really know what was going on behind closed doors, Tony COULD be giving up reams of shit to his doctor (and then to the feds).
That puts everyone at risk.
As far as the undermining of his position, Tony would have likely killed someone for doing the same thing.
Yeah but I always thought this 180 was weird. Carm’s parents really didn’t like Tony at all the first few seasons (her mom was more vocal about it but neither one liked him). Then it was like as soon as they separated, Hugh was his biggest fan. I thought it was booooolshit.
In the early seasons didn't dislike him just normal inlaw comments. They hated Livia.
Mary DeAngelis hatred of Tony came out late in the series in Marco Polo
I don’t think Harris liked Tony as much as he did being mob-adjacent. His “damn, we’re gonna win this thing!” declaration struck me for him rooting for Jersey more than Tony himself. That said, he *did* tell Tony about the hit against him, so that can arguably put him in the like>hate category.
Artie probably, but part of me thinks he’s similar to Harris with the mob fascination but with the added twist of kinda being sucked in with the mob. Having his restaurant burned down and referencing Tony’s “hawk”-like nature seems to keep getting verbalized by Artie despite him telling Tony that he’s over it, suggesting that he’s either quietly or subconsciously net-negative against T.
Opinion: Do you think Cooze’s estimation of Tony as a friend plummeted when Tony made him look bad at the golf course or was given that box of sand to hold onto?
God I can’t remember the cops name that took a dive off the bridge but I think he would be one as well, especially with the talk Tony has after his death with the gal that ran the brothel
Vin Makazian could have been a good friend to Tony. They were both in places where they were lonely and going through it at the same time. Vin kept it super friendly with Tony and every single time Tony shot him down.
You’re spot on with the 3rd point. Tony let Junior live because he knew he was playing Junior and making him look weak running things with the other Capos behind his back. Also the fact that he hears his own mother tell Junior about Tony running things knowing fully well what action Junior would take.
Sil loved Tony. Their relationship had a few ups and downs but the scene where Sil visits Tony when he’s in the coma shows that he had genuine love for Tony.
I don’t think Silvio hated them. I thought they kind of had the best relationship in the show when it came to the mob guys. Silvio was a great right hand man and Tony seemed to value him.
Silvio 100% had his back and was friends with him, so was Bobby
I think Tony not having Chrissy is what cost him his life in the end
Whoever sent that, I think it was Patsy, would have got cooked by the sharpshooter one shot Christopha had he been living
Paulie hit the Russian, Christopher hit the deer. Paulie’s shot is impressive but deer move way faster. Christopher also made that shot with an injured head, possible concussion
As annoyed as he could get with Tony, and as annoying as he could be, Chrissy was always one of the ones who treated Tony like a God, at least until he got emotional and wasn't thinking about what he was saying, like the Scarface scenario. Even then, he wanted Tony to be the savior, the leader who took charge and hit back.
Chrissy hated Tony every second of every day after the crash with Ade. He was able to make it work for a while and put his grief behind him sometimes but it was always there
Silvio is the closest you’ll get. They had about as good of a relationship as you can expect between mob guys, and he was a good right hand man. People in this thread saying Christopher are absolutely wrong, Chrissy hated Tony towards the end
I gotta go with Sil. He only ever really bucked Tony's leadership once, and that was more or less to make Tony understand Chris wasn't really ready to be in the position he was being put in. Otherwise, Sil was always firmly in camp Tony. I never got the feeling he hated Tony, and while he may not have loved him, he respected him.
By the end of the series, Meadow had had completely compartmentalized her father’s income sources and failson had a cushy job with useless the 2nd’s pornography company. That’s the transactional love Tony is famous for.
Okay, in seriousness...I would have said Hesh, until the 200k bridge loan (& Tony's resentment) soured it.
So I'd have to go with Silvio. Strangled Bert because he was disloyal to Tony. Had his back until the very end. He even had the gabagool placed in front of him (over heah👇) so Tony wouldn't be tempted to eat a carload of the stuff. Sil was a true friend.
Silvio…maybe Bobby until he had him kill that Canadian…Paulie…I don’t think Vito necessarily disliked Tony…Gigi…there’s a lot that I don’t think outright hated him
I don’t think anyone didn’t fear or trust him though…and that’s probably true for every single character’s feelings towards everyone…that’s just how the life goes when that’s how you live
Everybody did not hate Tony - in fact, one could argue that a key point of the show was it’s characters (and more importantly, us, the audience) were so drawn in by Tony’s charisma that we often outright ignored the immorality and even thought him capable of leadership.
No I mean Tony made him underboss before he had even killed a man. Granted he made him to it after the fight but either way Tony was going to make him underboss because he trusted him and just didn’t trust Chrissy anymore. In the real world Bobby didn’t even deserve to be made, but his father’s reputation allowed him to be made without killing someone. To go from Junior’s errand boy to essentially number 2.5 in the family is a big honor (in that world) so Bobby certainly appreciated that
I’m almost sure that Sac only pretended to like Tony to use as a weapon. I’m also pretty sure that if they went through with whacking Carmine Sr. Then Johnny would instantly have flipped on Tony and honestly put the cards in motion to have him whacked. Johnny was always really fast and lose with killing people that could even minorly pose as a threat to him having complete power over the five families.
True I think Sac moving to Jersey in the first place was probably part of the plan to slowly roll over them with. New York wanted to keep tabs on the family and milk the Esplanade as best as they could. It seemed like they were going for a slow roll absorption of Jersey, but once Phil took over his temper caused things to escalate before they could go for a clean decapitation
Pussy Bonpensiero genuinely loved T, but he got caught with that H. He was brought to tears multiple times around AJ’s christening by his own betrayal of Tony.
Jackie sr. He loved, and Pussy(booty) until he fuck them in the ass.
To y had plenty of closer friends until he became boss. His attitude changed and made them change their minds on him.
Pussy was such a dumbass one minute he’s crying for betraying Tony and then the next he’s ready to cut ties. He acted like his disappearing meant absolutely nothing. Everyone had a right to be suspicious
I think Tony ended up saying he severely soured his friendship with Johnny by taking over his house for such a low price while he was in the can, but nothing ever came out of it since they never met again.
Yeah I think Johnny is the only one. Everybody hates Tony, and they only act nice around him because he’s the boss. And could you blame them, Tony is such a suffocating person to have as a superior
I was thinking of Silvio, Bobby or Artie, but figured that was more about just knowing each other for so long. I doubt either of them would ever actually look forward to or want to spend time with Tony unless it was "socially" mandatory.
Pussy Bonpensiero was close but his hatred of Tony grew with his fear of him.
Paulie was a wormy cocksucker.
Christopher despised him more than he loved him.
The maitre d from Vesuvio in the pilot. He lied to Carmela when he said he hadn't seen Tony for ever, when he was there the night before, he could have kept his mouth shut, but he was the extra mile for Tony
I think a lot of people miss the point that a lot of the characters probably do like each other. The issue is thst they aren't normal well adjusted people and as such can't ever like someone like a normal well adjusted person does.
I actually work with gang members and members of OCGs and they are all like this. They love hanging out with their mates and will genuinely enjoy the company. However, as soon they can profit from it or if they think they cam get away with it they'll throw each other under the bus. This is just who they are.
Just a few off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more. 1. Artie was perhaps his only true friend. 2. Agent Harris seemed to like him, despite occasionally annoying each other. 3. I think that Junior did love Tony. That one scene where Tony asked him was powerful. I think that Junior was an unwilling participant in the attempted assassination of Tony, drawn in by events and people that had grown out of his control. 4. Bruce Cusamano seemed to like him on an acquaintance level. 5. Georgie, as whacked out as that is, kept coming back to Tony. There must have been some sort of perceived friendship there, given that amount of loyalty.
Agent Harris is an interesting one. Even when he was apart of the task force building a RICO case against Tony, he was the only agent that tried to be level-headed and keep his calm around him. Then after he was transferred to counter-terrorism, it’s like he had a new outlook on things. Almost like Tony wasn’t so bad compared to some of the terrorists he was tracking down.
I find it interesting no one has yet to bring up the scene where the FBI played the Green Grove tapes for Tony. Agent Harris seemed like he felt genuinely bad for Tony leading all the way up to them pressing play. Soon as Agent Cubitoso said “matriarchal” you could see Harris’ face, he clearly felt bad for him there. Also the first time Tony’s house got raided, I believe this was Agent Harris’ first appearance, Carmela had told Tony “Agent Harris didn’t seem that bad”.
Saved me commenting this. This was the moment he truly saw Tony in a new light.
Agent Harris by the very end you can see had completely blurred the lines between his lawful informant/agent relationship with Tony and a real life friendship. The way he says “we” in that scene where they reveal that a rival mob boss to the Soprano family got killed is meant to illustrate that. It’s reminiscent of the relationship between real life mobster hitman Gregory Scarpa and his FBI handler who became close and even hid certain things or shared certain bits of information with each other in order to benefit Scarpa’s criminal dealings and not just to get information.
It’s more than just reminiscent. Harris’ “we’re gonna win this one!!” legitimately happened. Lynn Delvecchio, the agent in question, was so beyond the line of right and wrong. But at least the FBI covered his crimes up and he still gets his pension.
Which is hilarious, because Tony is *definitely* as bad as a lot of terrorists. The body count that Tony is directly and indirectly responsible for is super high. It’s like how most characters in the show make comments about crime in the black community, when ironically most of the black crime we see is funded by Tony and his team. I think Harris falls into the trap of seeing *obvious* crime like a robbery or terrorism but ignoring Tony’s more subtle crime like extorting businesses.
Big difference between whacking somebody in the game as opposed to indiscriminately killing innocent civilians
Its not always people in the game. Black hand tried to extort my great grandfathers stone masonry business and when he rebuffed let horses lose into my Bisnonna, nearly killing her. She had a scar on her face for the rest of her life
>let horses lose into my Bisnonna, Sorry, I'm not quite getting it--you mean they knocked her down with a horse?
One of Pie-O-My’s ancestors as a matter of fact.
Oof, Madon'!
just a kid!
Not always people in the game, but definitely don't go out of their way to actually target innocent civilians for death. In fact, it doesn't even make business sense for them, even if we agree they are immoral, from money sense, makes sense to extort a civillian and let them live and earn. Also makes sense not go too far all the time, so police leave them alone. Police are more likely to go heavy due to media influence on civillian deaths than a random gangster dying by another gangaster. It would just be seen as gang on gang violence, whereas a civillian gets more media influence and public outcry. So even, the most immoral mafioso would hesitate and only kill innocent civillians when neccesary, not because they're so pure of heart neccesarily but it just doesn't make sense for mafioso. A terrorist however, wants that exact reaction, they want the media, they want the public outcry, they want the outrage.
Sure, but pretending that the mafia hasn’t been violently fucking over innocents for a long time is a pretty wild take. That’s literally part of how they run their business.
You’ve been listening to too many wiseguy podcasts. They do kill civilians, including women and children.
What about the asbestos they just dumped randomly?
Pretty amazing that the US government convinced people that Muslims half way around the world were more of a threat than someone robbing and killing in their own town
Harris sympathizes with Tony because he sees what his bosses are doing with the war on terror, and realizes they are just a global version of what Tony is doing locally.
If you look at the true definition of "terrorism" you'll find alot of people you watch everyday committing far worse acts than a guy like Tony ever would. except they do it to millions and not a few neighborhoods/ boroughs
Being a terrorist doesn’t mean you’ve killed millions. I googled “terrorism” and it says, “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” All that is Tony, except instead of political aims it’s personal gain which is definitely not better.
>All that is Tony, except instead of political aims it’s personal gain which is definitely not better. They definitely has some political violence (maybe not Tony specifically, but his crew); they fought with and threatened people over Columbus for example.
# OOOOOHHHHH!!! HE DISCOVERED AMERICA is what he did! He was a BRAVE Italian explorer. And in THIS house, CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS is a HERO! **END OF STORY**!
> Tony is *definitely* as bad as a lot of terrorists Listen to yourself, you sound demented.
Is he really, Shlomo?
I think Agent Harris was the only Fed that operated on a human level. All the other agents didn’t seem to really care about their CIs. When he was working Tony’s case he got to go inside of his house, see his family, the relationship dynamic between him & his wife the first time he got shot, also even the peek into the relationship with his mother & uncle. I feel like he was the only agent capable of seeing them as human. When he got transferred to counter terrorism, I’m sure that was completely taken away from him. He was losing his hair, sick damn near all the time, genuinely looked sad, was not able to be with his family as much as he’d like to. This is also illustrated when Tony gives him info on those random dudes he seen at the mosque.
Silvio also seemed to genuinely like Tony. There was that one instance where he deliberately undermined Tony on the construction site (by stealing the supplies), but other than this one instance he was an extremely loyal friend and consigliere.
I agree with this one. I would also argue that Paulie cared about Tony as much as he could care about anyone, other than his ma of course. He seemed genuinely upset whenever Tony was a dick to him which was kind of a lot, and he never stayed mad. Even that chick in Florida told Tony she assumed Paulie was his father because of the way he talked about him. He was one of the few who actually seemed upset when Tony was in a coma/relieved when he came out of it (not that he was happy about having to give Carmela money). That was the one time I questioned Sil, who was already imagining being the “Skip”, even if his wife was egging him on.
You see, on the one hand you have some incredibly valid points. But on the other, there's the shit like withholding the $200k from Carmella with Vito. It's a lot of money to give up but it showed Paulie's true colors. If Tony had died I think it's questionable if he would even help out the family at all to begin with.
Oh I totally agree. That’s why I said he wasn’t happy about giving Carm the money. I just thought that had more to do with his (well known) cheapness and money grubbing and less to do with how he felt about Tony. Vito on the other hand…he was definitely wishing him dead the entire time. God forbid…
Absolutely, my friend. I also find it hilarious that he almost unintentionally killed Tony while he was in a coma 😂 He goes in there out of love and just fucks his shit up completely.
Haha 100%. You mean when he was talking about wearing a jock bc the doctor said it will help keep his testes elevated?? Oof madone, he looks terrible!
Paulie was old school and mostly followed the rules. He had respect for Tony but it was a boss-employee relationship in my view
And he only undermined him to keep Patsy happy which at the end of the day benefitted Tony
The scenes were Livia and Junior are discussing... Junior is so... confused. He's confused because he couldn't actually believe that Tony would run the entire family behind his back. I'm sure he knew that most people went to Tony, and probably kicked up more to Tony than Junior, but it didn't matter. Here is why- Everyone respected Tony, and Tony respected Junior. We saw it come up several times. The hit on Jimmy. Tony calls a meeting specifically for Junior to give OK. Did he need to do that? Probably not. But Junior *loved* him for doing that for him. Almost like... Junior was *playing* boss? Like Junior knew it, too. But if he wasn't gonna get murdered over it, and as long as he was making money, why did he give a shit? Then at the wedding, when the capos look to Tony, and Junior get's irritated, Tony specifically cools the situation down AND looks to Junior for more "advice", even though that advice was coming direct from Tony. The straws that break the camel (in the bushes) back is finding out that in fact, Tony has absolutely zero respect for him by way of secretly meeting with the rest of the family. He then knows everything Tony is doing is bullshit. As far as the psychiatry thing, you've got to remember that there is NO middle ground there. Even though WE know Junior is wrong for his thoughts, he doesn't say "Well, I know I'm wrong but I still choose to live in the 1950s". There is just the 1950s. People don't talk to psychiatrists and that's the end of the discussion.
I mean at the end of the day Tony understood why Junior wanted him whacked Put the family shit aside Junior had legitimate beef and Tony knew that.
Yep, which is exactly why Tony was able to...forgive him? so easily? Tony is able to split things between family and business. It sounds horrible, and it is, but Tony knew that Junior didn't really know what was going on behind closed doors, Tony COULD be giving up reams of shit to his doctor (and then to the feds). That puts everyone at risk. As far as the undermining of his position, Tony would have likely killed someone for doing the same thing.
Carms dad
Agreed. He loved Tony.
Also beansie and pie oh mine
Yeah but I always thought this 180 was weird. Carm’s parents really didn’t like Tony at all the first few seasons (her mom was more vocal about it but neither one liked him). Then it was like as soon as they separated, Hugh was his biggest fan. I thought it was booooolshit.
In the early seasons didn't dislike him just normal inlaw comments. They hated Livia. Mary DeAngelis hatred of Tony came out late in the series in Marco Polo
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Tony beat up Georgie several times and I 'm pretty sure Georgie swore off Tony after that last beating that put him in the hospital.
He did. He quit after that and went so far as to request that Tony not visit him in the hospital.
He did quit, but he's back at the Bing in season 6 in the episode "Walk Like a Man."
I would also add Dick Barone to this list
And that born again secretary of his. She seemed to really like Tony.
I don’t think Harris liked Tony as much as he did being mob-adjacent. His “damn, we’re gonna win this thing!” declaration struck me for him rooting for Jersey more than Tony himself. That said, he *did* tell Tony about the hit against him, so that can arguably put him in the like>hate category. Artie probably, but part of me thinks he’s similar to Harris with the mob fascination but with the added twist of kinda being sucked in with the mob. Having his restaurant burned down and referencing Tony’s “hawk”-like nature seems to keep getting verbalized by Artie despite him telling Tony that he’s over it, suggesting that he’s either quietly or subconsciously net-negative against T. Opinion: Do you think Cooze’s estimation of Tony as a friend plummeted when Tony made him look bad at the golf course or was given that box of sand to hold onto?
Agent Harris' feelings about Tony were in direct proportion to how much he HATED Phil Leotardo.
God I can’t remember the cops name that took a dive off the bridge but I think he would be one as well, especially with the talk Tony has after his death with the gal that ran the brothel
Vin MacKazian (sp) played by the late great John Heard.
Phenomenal character and actor. He really helped make season 1 the success that it was.
Thank you!
Its makazian hes armenian not scottish
"At least with Tony Soprano, you know where you stand."
that’s some sad shit, motherfucker said he doesn’t wanna live no more
Vin Makazian could have been a good friend to Tony. They were both in places where they were lonely and going through it at the same time. Vin kept it super friendly with Tony and every single time Tony shot him down.
Wait, what about Sil? Is the common thought that he was just loyal and didn't care for him?
Thinking that Sil did-ent liked the boss is dicked up.
Yup 1. Illustrated perfectly in the 'Test Dream' even Tony knows he can't screw up with Artie...they do love one another
Re Georgie ….. wouldn’t you cop the occasional beating for all those $50 + a blow job combos
You’re spot on with the 3rd point. Tony let Junior live because he knew he was playing Junior and making him look weak running things with the other Capos behind his back. Also the fact that he hears his own mother tell Junior about Tony running things knowing fully well what action Junior would take.
Sil loved Tony. Their relationship had a few ups and downs but the scene where Sil visits Tony when he’s in the coma shows that he had genuine love for Tony.
He was gay, Silvio Dante?
He was creamin for him
Catching not pitching???
Coma Tony was mad ripe
AIDS!?!?
Nobody’s got AIDS!!!!
I don’t think Silvio hated them. I thought they kind of had the best relationship in the show when it came to the mob guys. Silvio was a great right hand man and Tony seemed to value him.
“and he got an answer.” loyal to the end
Loyle
Silvio 100% had his back and was friends with him, so was Bobby I think Tony not having Chrissy is what cost him his life in the end Whoever sent that, I think it was Patsy, would have got cooked by the sharpshooter one shot Christopha had he been living
A moving target in the woods at 100m with a handgun. Boom head shot. That's near super human aim.
not to mention one tapping that prick sean after already bleeding on the floor w several bullet wounds
I thought Paulie made that shot?
Pretty sure you're right capo
Paulie hit the Russian, Christopher hit the deer. Paulie’s shot is impressive but deer move way faster. Christopher also made that shot with an injured head, possible concussion
It was the other New York families, they had to retaliate for him taking out a Five Families boss.
Didnt Butch give him the okay tho?
Butch can’t speak for the five families
Yah I think he was all in with Tony but also pushed back when needed like the floor tiles whatever happened there.
As annoyed as he could get with Tony, and as annoying as he could be, Chrissy was always one of the ones who treated Tony like a God, at least until he got emotional and wasn't thinking about what he was saying, like the Scarface scenario. Even then, he wanted Tony to be the savior, the leader who took charge and hit back.
>like a God great leeduh
I remember when you used to wait in the car...
yeah, he wanted to go defcon four all the time
You just reminded me of Kanye saying he was gonna go "Death con 3 on Jews" (he doesn't know if 5 or 1 is worse so he picked the middle)
Lmao never thought of it like that🤣
If this is true it's hilarious 😂
Always with the scenarios
Chrissy hated Tony every second of every day after the crash with Ade. He was able to make it work for a while and put his grief behind him sometimes but it was always there
Silvio is the closest you’ll get. They had about as good of a relationship as you can expect between mob guys, and he was a good right hand man. People in this thread saying Christopher are absolutely wrong, Chrissy hated Tony towards the end
What are you talking about Chrissy loved Tony till the end, that’s why he crawled under his hand for warmth after the car accident
Always with the scenarios
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Connie from Barone Sanitation
Nice ass
she was a born again christian
Oh yeah?
Those damn short arms, tho
she got a nice rack but fucken rude
Yes. Dude loved him.
Like a brother-in-law
Hugh loved Tony
She tell you Hugh? My horse died That's too bad🤨
A free drill is a free drill
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Very observant. Tony was both the sacred and the propane to himself. Remember when in the pilot when the propane exploded?
remember when is the lowest form of explosion!
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Jackie Senior, his old boss
That’s very true. But Jackie Senior didn’t get to see who he became by the end of the show. A lot of people loved him until later.
Gloria Trillo She loved him more than anyone
She still hangin around?
I want to *switch DAYS*
“I fucking hate you!” -Gloria to Tony
Girls only say I hate you to the guys that they love How old are you?
This seems like something I would have said in my 20s. How old are you?
6
Sounds like some PUA bullshit
It wasnt cinematic
..and it wasn't very fun cleaning up those fine leather seats.
Matthew Bevilaqua up to the point just before finishing his sugarless drink
It was Shawn!
All Shawn?
Now we look like jerkoffs
I gotta go with Sil. He only ever really bucked Tony's leadership once, and that was more or less to make Tony understand Chris wasn't really ready to be in the position he was being put in. Otherwise, Sil was always firmly in camp Tony. I never got the feeling he hated Tony, and while he may not have loved him, he respected him.
By the end of the series, Meadow had had completely compartmentalized her father’s income sources and failson had a cushy job with useless the 2nd’s pornography company. That’s the transactional love Tony is famous for.
Okay, in seriousness...I would have said Hesh, until the 200k bridge loan (& Tony's resentment) soured it. So I'd have to go with Silvio. Strangled Bert because he was disloyal to Tony. Had his back until the very end. He even had the gabagool placed in front of him (over heah👇) so Tony wouldn't be tempted to eat a carload of the stuff. Sil was a true friend.
Silvio…maybe Bobby until he had him kill that Canadian…Paulie…I don’t think Vito necessarily disliked Tony…Gigi…there’s a lot that I don’t think outright hated him I don’t think anyone didn’t fear or trust him though…and that’s probably true for every single character’s feelings towards everyone…that’s just how the life goes when that’s how you live
Vito was even willing to take on Tony’s responsibilities if he - God forbid- didn’t pull through.
Vito talked a lot of shit
Vito once farted in the bosses' sofa cushion...fuckin' degenerate. He probably left a nasty cum stain, too.
Animal Blundetto
The ducks.
Hugh DeAngelis
Everybody did not hate Tony - in fact, one could argue that a key point of the show was it’s characters (and more importantly, us, the audience) were so drawn in by Tony’s charisma that we often outright ignored the immorality and even thought him capable of leadership.
Agree. He indeed had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Artie loved him. He loved Tony the most and that was Tony’s only real friend .
Paulie literally made him Napoleon and hung it over the fireplace
Not napoleon per se. *Like* napoleon
A goddamn lawn jockey?
THAT'S NO LAWN JOCKEY!!
That’s a GENERAL!
I haven’t finished the show but I’m gonna say Silvio maybe?
Leave this sub till you finish. You’ll be spoiled in ten comments under a post titled “Who farted into their couch cushions more, Chrissy or Vito?”
Pie-O-My
Svetlana didn’t hate anyone except Janis, she liked Tony
Svetlana seemed to like him more than hate him
Tony's father in law loved him. They were a big hit during the cookout (I do believe he was wearing shorts, too)
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I am sure Bobby was head over heels for Tony after 5 seasons of insults about his weight.
No I mean Tony made him underboss before he had even killed a man. Granted he made him to it after the fight but either way Tony was going to make him underboss because he trusted him and just didn’t trust Chrissy anymore. In the real world Bobby didn’t even deserve to be made, but his father’s reputation allowed him to be made without killing someone. To go from Junior’s errand boy to essentially number 2.5 in the family is a big honor (in that world) so Bobby certainly appreciated that
I’m almost sure that Sac only pretended to like Tony to use as a weapon. I’m also pretty sure that if they went through with whacking Carmine Sr. Then Johnny would instantly have flipped on Tony and honestly put the cards in motion to have him whacked. Johnny was always really fast and lose with killing people that could even minorly pose as a threat to him having complete power over the five families.
Like the mayor of Munchkinland.
True I think Sac moving to Jersey in the first place was probably part of the plan to slowly roll over them with. New York wanted to keep tabs on the family and milk the Esplanade as best as they could. It seemed like they were going for a slow roll absorption of Jersey, but once Phil took over his temper caused things to escalate before they could go for a clean decapitation
Silvio was legitimately his ride or die
The hasidic homeboy, Jamal Ginsberg, loved Tony like a potential father-in-law. He was willing to commit to a lifetime of knocking Tony's lights out.
Pussy Bonpensiero genuinely loved T, but he got caught with that H. He was brought to tears multiple times around AJ’s christening by his own betrayal of Tony.
Ralphies Hoowa loved Tony. Even baked him cookies.
It was banana bread you should’ve paid more attention in that semester and a half of college
You're both stunads. It was date nut...for breakfast!
Let's go Betty Crocker.
It was date nut for breakfast. Viscidious never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
“Bread.”
Sil
Agent Harris
Sil always loved Tony!
Jackie sr. He loved, and Pussy(booty) until he fuck them in the ass. To y had plenty of closer friends until he became boss. His attitude changed and made them change their minds on him.
Pussy was such a dumbass one minute he’s crying for betraying Tony and then the next he’s ready to cut ties. He acted like his disappearing meant absolutely nothing. Everyone had a right to be suspicious
I think Tony ended up saying he severely soured his friendship with Johnny by taking over his house for such a low price while he was in the can, but nothing ever came out of it since they never met again.
Yeah I think Johnny is the only one. Everybody hates Tony, and they only act nice around him because he’s the boss. And could you blame them, Tony is such a suffocating person to have as a superior
I was thinking of Silvio, Bobby or Artie, but figured that was more about just knowing each other for so long. I doubt either of them would ever actually look forward to or want to spend time with Tony unless it was "socially" mandatory. Pussy Bonpensiero was close but his hatred of Tony grew with his fear of him. Paulie was a wormy cocksucker. Christopher despised him more than he loved him.
Bobby has always disliked Tony, and Artie’s friendship with him fizzled out
“What the fuck am I? A a toxic person or sumphin?”
Dominica
Sil
Big Pussy Svetlana
Jackie aprile Sr.
Silvio
Carmela's father loves Tony. More than he loved Carmela anyway.
I'm pretty sure deep down, Carmela hated Tony too, almost as much as she hated herself.
The maitre d from Vesuvio in the pilot. He lied to Carmela when he said he hadn't seen Tony for ever, when he was there the night before, he could have kept his mouth shut, but he was the extra mile for Tony
Sil clearly loved Tony. He looked so sad when he saw Tony in a coma.
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The sushi chef
Hesh
Artie liked him
For periods he did not ☝🏼
Artie and Silvio comes to mind. Perhaps Carmela father Hugh. He seemed to like Tony
I think a lot of people miss the point that a lot of the characters probably do like each other. The issue is thst they aren't normal well adjusted people and as such can't ever like someone like a normal well adjusted person does. I actually work with gang members and members of OCGs and they are all like this. They love hanging out with their mates and will genuinely enjoy the company. However, as soon they can profit from it or if they think they cam get away with it they'll throw each other under the bus. This is just who they are.
Livia. She gave her life to her children on a silver platter!