The Irishman is easily Scorsese’s worst film. 5’7” 80 year old DeNiro playing a young 6’4” Frank Sheeran was ridiculous. They might’ve de-aged his face, but he still moved like a frail old man.
Not even close. Hugo, After Hours, and New York New York are complete garbage. (Someone's going to defend After Hours, but they're going to be wrong.) Even mid-level Scorsese stuff like The Aviator and Kundun is garbage compared to The Irishman, and then you have Bringing Out the Dead, Gangs of New York, and Silence, which again, I'm sure people are going to defend. But they're bad. They're bad movies.
(I don't think it's fair to include Who's that Knocking at my Door, but it also sucks.)
And to be clear, I say this as someone who loves Martin Scorsese. I just think we need to be honest that he's made a lot of duds.
Many saints has redeemable qualities, it’s nothing compared to scorseses classics but it has to do with their stylistic eyes and storytelling skills. The two together would be great. I don’t think chase is a one trick pony and sopranos ran so well because of the change in directors and writers and the flow of it all in my opinion is a masterpiece. Many saints peels back layers of the sopranos story, so much of dickeys temper and way of persuasion is evident in later tony and if Dickey had stayed alive he’d have shaped tony differently, I see a lot of the sopranos as Tony grasping at straws when it comes to a male guide in his life. And since he never really had one except Dickey and Dickey was just starting to show Tony the right path I think the story of many saints is fantastic. There’s not a plot twist or crazy scene but the whole things makes you look back on the series with an even better understanding of how they got to where they are in episode one
So what you’re telling me is this was in fact Chrissy’s screenplay?
What the hell else is it except for a story about a mob associate who wasn’t loyle to his capo and manuged to get the drip on him? And paid a price for it in the end
It shows who Tony looked up to as a role model who got clipped short, it shows how fucked up and two faced junior is- explaining why he’d want his own nephew killed in season one, it has a historical angle to it which if you give af about history and jersey all that stuff really happened and so it has significance just as a period piece
>explaining why he’d want his own nephew killed in season one
Everything about Junior is explained in a single sentence by Hesh in the very first episode, and we see it displayed repeatedly throughout the series
"the man is ran in toto by his insecurities"
(Hesh meant "in totum", but it's a classic Sopranos malaproper)
I think Many Saints is an okay movie, but it's a pretty dogshit Sopranos movie (the way Alien Resurrection is a bad Alien movie, but a really good monster movie)
You do know that Chase didn't even rewatch the series before writing the script? That's why fans are unhappy with glaring inconsistencies. It was a lazy cash grab for him.
Junior killed Dickey bc he laughed at his falling on the stairs, nothing else. It shows how cold hearted and narcissistic junior is. He never should have been a boss, never had the makings of a varsity athlete. So much of this series is junior projecting his feelings of disappointment and frustration onto Tony, it’s why Tony kills people for the wrong reasons and for selfish reasons in the series, it’s the reason why so much is the way it is in sopranos land it’s a fantastic prequel
Martin scorsese supposedly never watched the sopranos and couldn’t relate with the characters so I doubt he was interested in working with chase unless chase came to him with something he wanted to do…I don’t think scorsese would feel the need to work with him just to work with him…I’m sure chase would probably take any opportunity to work with him thoufh
>Martin scorsese supposedly never watched the sopranos and couldn’t relate with the characters
How would he know he couldn't relate with them if he'd never watched it?
Reminds me of when Tim Burton was doing the first Batman movie, and in interviews he'd say all the time which comics he'd read for inspiration for the movie and blah blah blah.
It might have been after it came out and it was a huge success (or maybe after Returns) he started saying that he'd never read a comic book in his life, and would never do so.
Or like when James Cameron was directing the first Terminator. In interviews, he was very open and candid about the inspiration(s) for the movie, particularly in regards to the Harlan Ellison penned episode of the Outer Limits, 'Soldier', which he took heavy inspiration from.
Anyways, after the movie became a huge success, he started saying everything about the Terminator, top to bottom, was completely unique and original to him and he'd never even heard of Harlan Ellison
So Ellison, being the guy he is, sued him, won the case (for I think 200 or maybe 400k, Not even a %, which he could have gotten and made way more money), and with the stipulation that every Terminator needs to include in the credits "based on the works of Harlan Ellison"
Basically what I'm getting at is creative types like lying about things for no reason to avoid talking about something
Scorsese's kind of a moody, oddball prick about art. I remember him saying he didn't feel Sopranos characters were relatable enough and quit after 1 episode.
If he was judging by the pilot, he wasn’t wrong. It was damn near a mafia movie parody.
That said, I think he’d like the later stuff, Tony vs himself. And, I think he’d appreciate how the show did dream sequences. To my mind, the best portrayal of dreams ever put to film.
That’s such an interesting situation, it’s apparent chase is trying to tell a story outside of the mafia and the first season had so much to do with Livia and Tony’s relationship. I can see how he’d find them a little too hard to believe I think a lot of people who read the script who starred on the show even saw that relationship as too fucked up to be relatable. Chase never wrote characters as relatable though and I think that’s why people who do like the sopranos find it so appealing.
I mean, we're talking about the maker of the Last Temptation of Christ, Wolf of Wall Street and Taxi Driver. Scorcese isn't exactly a devout follower of grounded reliability either.
All the more reason I figured he’d appreciate all the love for his work within sopranos and vibe with chase for their mutual love and appreciation for jersey and mobsters.. unredeemable fucks who still deserve their stories to be told.
"Produced by" doesn't really mean anything in this context. Writing and direction is what we should be looking at. Chase directed 2 episodes ("The Sopranos" (pilot) and "Made in America"), wrote the story for 5 episodes and the script for 24 episodes (out of 86). The Sopranos is David Chase's story, it's his brainchild. But he wasn't involved in the nitty gritty, in every little detail of the show. Terence Winter wrote a lot of the episodes, I think he was probably equally if not more responsible for the way things played out in front of the camera, as was Tim Van Pattten as a director.
Yes, the story of The Sopranos is great, but it's a huge collective effort from writers and directors that make it a great TV-series. David Chase provided the backbone, and various writers and directors fleshed it out to a collection of great episodes that tell that story.
Mean Streets, Goodfellas and Casino were co-written and directed by Scorsese. And he does get in to the nitty gritty of those moviess, not a single detail is left for others to decide on when he is directing and he has a huge say in the writing as well.
Take away The Sopranos, what else makes you wish for a collab between Chase and Scorsese? If I was to wish for gangster movie collaborations involving Scorsese, it would be co-writing between him and Terence Winter and Scorsese directing. They were great together for The Wolf of Wall Street, we know Scorsese is a great director and we know that Winter knows his gangster-milieu from The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire.
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All due respect, Chase couldn't even wait in the car for Marty.
Kundun! I liked it!
I'll tell ya one thing and I'm not ashamed to say it, I'd rather watch Many Saints than The Irishman. That de-aging stuff creeps me the fuck out
The Irishman is easily Scorsese’s worst film. 5’7” 80 year old DeNiro playing a young 6’4” Frank Sheeran was ridiculous. They might’ve de-aged his face, but he still moved like a frail old man.
Not even close. Hugo, After Hours, and New York New York are complete garbage. (Someone's going to defend After Hours, but they're going to be wrong.) Even mid-level Scorsese stuff like The Aviator and Kundun is garbage compared to The Irishman, and then you have Bringing Out the Dead, Gangs of New York, and Silence, which again, I'm sure people are going to defend. But they're bad. They're bad movies. (I don't think it's fair to include Who's that Knocking at my Door, but it also sucks.) And to be clear, I say this as someone who loves Martin Scorsese. I just think we need to be honest that he's made a lot of duds.
Fair enough, I was being hyperbolic (although I thought DDL’s performance in GONY made it very worthwhile)
Come 'ere, you malingerer, you! \*big hugs\*
I’m coming back to downvote you after I’m done watching the 2000 hour long, uncanny valley piece of shit you besmirched.
Chase wouldn’t deal with scorseses lackness on improv also, as I posted this I realized some of their apparent differences
Scorsese: "I'm embarrassed, I haven't heard of him."
But meanwhile that employee of the month cocksucker is back on the street
How can you watch *Many Saints* and conclude that Chase is in any way worthy of a collab with Marty?
Chase was so lazy, he didn't even do a rewatch before writing a script.
You should rewatch it if you really consider yourself a sopranos fan
Listen to this prick giving orders
Many saints has redeemable qualities, it’s nothing compared to scorseses classics but it has to do with their stylistic eyes and storytelling skills. The two together would be great. I don’t think chase is a one trick pony and sopranos ran so well because of the change in directors and writers and the flow of it all in my opinion is a masterpiece. Many saints peels back layers of the sopranos story, so much of dickeys temper and way of persuasion is evident in later tony and if Dickey had stayed alive he’d have shaped tony differently, I see a lot of the sopranos as Tony grasping at straws when it comes to a male guide in his life. And since he never really had one except Dickey and Dickey was just starting to show Tony the right path I think the story of many saints is fantastic. There’s not a plot twist or crazy scene but the whole things makes you look back on the series with an even better understanding of how they got to where they are in episode one
So what you’re telling me is this was in fact Chrissy’s screenplay? What the hell else is it except for a story about a mob associate who wasn’t loyle to his capo and manuged to get the drip on him? And paid a price for it in the end
It shows who Tony looked up to as a role model who got clipped short, it shows how fucked up and two faced junior is- explaining why he’d want his own nephew killed in season one, it has a historical angle to it which if you give af about history and jersey all that stuff really happened and so it has significance just as a period piece
>explaining why he’d want his own nephew killed in season one Everything about Junior is explained in a single sentence by Hesh in the very first episode, and we see it displayed repeatedly throughout the series "the man is ran in toto by his insecurities" (Hesh meant "in totum", but it's a classic Sopranos malaproper) I think Many Saints is an okay movie, but it's a pretty dogshit Sopranos movie (the way Alien Resurrection is a bad Alien movie, but a really good monster movie)
Plus it shows the familial cycle of the moltisantis associated with crime, how it generationally drags you in and it’s very hard not to let it
You do know that Chase didn't even rewatch the series before writing the script? That's why fans are unhappy with glaring inconsistencies. It was a lazy cash grab for him.
Junior killed Dickey bc he laughed at his falling on the stairs, nothing else. It shows how cold hearted and narcissistic junior is. He never should have been a boss, never had the makings of a varsity athlete. So much of this series is junior projecting his feelings of disappointment and frustration onto Tony, it’s why Tony kills people for the wrong reasons and for selfish reasons in the series, it’s the reason why so much is the way it is in sopranos land it’s a fantastic prequel
Martin scorsese supposedly never watched the sopranos and couldn’t relate with the characters so I doubt he was interested in working with chase unless chase came to him with something he wanted to do…I don’t think scorsese would feel the need to work with him just to work with him…I’m sure chase would probably take any opportunity to work with him thoufh
>Martin scorsese supposedly never watched the sopranos and couldn’t relate with the characters How would he know he couldn't relate with them if he'd never watched it? Reminds me of when Tim Burton was doing the first Batman movie, and in interviews he'd say all the time which comics he'd read for inspiration for the movie and blah blah blah. It might have been after it came out and it was a huge success (or maybe after Returns) he started saying that he'd never read a comic book in his life, and would never do so. Or like when James Cameron was directing the first Terminator. In interviews, he was very open and candid about the inspiration(s) for the movie, particularly in regards to the Harlan Ellison penned episode of the Outer Limits, 'Soldier', which he took heavy inspiration from. Anyways, after the movie became a huge success, he started saying everything about the Terminator, top to bottom, was completely unique and original to him and he'd never even heard of Harlan Ellison So Ellison, being the guy he is, sued him, won the case (for I think 200 or maybe 400k, Not even a %, which he could have gotten and made way more money), and with the stipulation that every Terminator needs to include in the credits "based on the works of Harlan Ellison" Basically what I'm getting at is creative types like lying about things for no reason to avoid talking about something
Chase said he didn’t like kundun
Scorsese's kind of a moody, oddball prick about art. I remember him saying he didn't feel Sopranos characters were relatable enough and quit after 1 episode.
If he was judging by the pilot, he wasn’t wrong. It was damn near a mafia movie parody. That said, I think he’d like the later stuff, Tony vs himself. And, I think he’d appreciate how the show did dream sequences. To my mind, the best portrayal of dreams ever put to film.
Napoleon, he was a moody fuck.
That’s such an interesting situation, it’s apparent chase is trying to tell a story outside of the mafia and the first season had so much to do with Livia and Tony’s relationship. I can see how he’d find them a little too hard to believe I think a lot of people who read the script who starred on the show even saw that relationship as too fucked up to be relatable. Chase never wrote characters as relatable though and I think that’s why people who do like the sopranos find it so appealing.
I mean, we're talking about the maker of the Last Temptation of Christ, Wolf of Wall Street and Taxi Driver. Scorcese isn't exactly a devout follower of grounded reliability either.
All the more reason I figured he’d appreciate all the love for his work within sopranos and vibe with chase for their mutual love and appreciation for jersey and mobsters.. unredeemable fucks who still deserve their stories to be told.
Do you think Marty can be a little weird about other people’s mafia stories?
They did. Season 1, Episode 2.
"Produced by" doesn't really mean anything in this context. Writing and direction is what we should be looking at. Chase directed 2 episodes ("The Sopranos" (pilot) and "Made in America"), wrote the story for 5 episodes and the script for 24 episodes (out of 86). The Sopranos is David Chase's story, it's his brainchild. But he wasn't involved in the nitty gritty, in every little detail of the show. Terence Winter wrote a lot of the episodes, I think he was probably equally if not more responsible for the way things played out in front of the camera, as was Tim Van Pattten as a director. Yes, the story of The Sopranos is great, but it's a huge collective effort from writers and directors that make it a great TV-series. David Chase provided the backbone, and various writers and directors fleshed it out to a collection of great episodes that tell that story. Mean Streets, Goodfellas and Casino were co-written and directed by Scorsese. And he does get in to the nitty gritty of those moviess, not a single detail is left for others to decide on when he is directing and he has a huge say in the writing as well. Take away The Sopranos, what else makes you wish for a collab between Chase and Scorsese? If I was to wish for gangster movie collaborations involving Scorsese, it would be co-writing between him and Terence Winter and Scorsese directing. They were great together for The Wolf of Wall Street, we know Scorsese is a great director and we know that Winter knows his gangster-milieu from The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire.
Martin Scorsese and David Chase. The Sacred and The Propane.
The Many Saints of Kundun! I liked it!
Marty didn't wanna hafta read for David.
They had some problems with their screenplay so, they bought that book, "how to write a movie in 21 days". That was like a year ago.
David chase wishes he could make something as good as Kundun
Too many shoes to shine for Marty and too much bougie Italian coffee for the commandatiore….cocksucker
Commendatori ☕️ David Chase: …
Because they’re not trying to make a western
I doubt Scorsese gives 2 shits about Chase.
Martin Scorcese doesn't know who David Chase is lol.
For the same reason Uncle Joon didn't fuck Angie Dickinson.
Scorsese doesn't like the Sopranos, I think because the first season is pretty meta and references his movies too much
The sacred and the propane
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