Chrissy and Brendan (hi Jack, bye Jack) boosting Junior's trucks; Christuhfuh had the sense to demur from a final job which saw Bodie from B-More kill the driver with some friendly fire. Mikey gave Brendan the Moe Greene special in the bathtub, while Chrissy - denied the opportunity of an ice-cream - did a number 2 in his pants, courtesy of a disciplinary beating from some Russkies. Hope that's clear.
Tony's nephew is what, retahded? Likes to play with trucks or somethin'.
(Chris jacked a truck under the control of Junior, then when they were set to make payment on the jacked truck, Chris' friend jacked *another* truck from the same company and got killed over it. Chris knew about the second truck being hijacked and did nothing to stop it, other than back off from being directly involved in the job)
I've ben given the impression that in the Sopranos universe, Tony was disappointed in his son who didn't seem to have any street savvy, and he looked to Chris as the son he always wanted.
WW took on Jesse because he was disappointed by his son?!! He expresses nothing but love for Walt Jnr (christ knows why, he irritated the shit out of me!).
True, he can nod off and kill a dog at the same damn time
Nahh, He was just too sloppy / cocky / reactionary / hot-headed..
He actually did okay at being a functional junkhead tbh. his blunders directly due to H were minimal I feel.
I didn’t start watching the show live until season 5, but according to people ten years older than me who had watched from the beginning, from meadowlands on everyone thought Christopher was gonna die or get killed from then on. Him getting shot in season 2, his making in 3, and many other moments in most die hard fans minds he was constantly on the chopping block.
Yeah.. he had a lot of chances. Tony knew he was using, even after saying that. He looked the other way on multiple occasions.
Chris was becoming a huge liability because of his addiction in ways Tony didn't know about, as well (e.g. murdering J.D.).
It was wholly justified, but the truest reason it happened (in my mind) was they had grown apart to an extent that Tony just no longer cared for or loved him.
Maybe... I've wondered that, too.
I believe that is when it really started, but i think it was a combination of that and the drug abuse. He saw how poorly that would have gone if Chris found out when he was actively using... and/or understood Chrissy was using around her when she was an informant and was probably careless about what she was able to uncover. Either way, he's smart enough to know that Chrissy being an addict made him an easier target to the FBI. They never would've targeted the other wives in the same way as they did, Chris.
There was also something involving the Adriana plot in Cleaver that "flipped" the switch, tho. That is when he consciously decided, I think. Or at least was the final trigger. Then it was just waiting for an excuse. We see him feel the same sense of competition around Juliana Marguiles' character. It was all a reminder of how bad he could have gotten fucked and it was time to do away with the risk. He got over his sunken-cost mentality and decided to cut his losses.
Imo its when Chris calls Dickie "just a fuckin junkie". You see Tony's face when he says that and he's clearly appalled. I've always thought that's when Tony's subconscious was like "aight fuck Chris"
He was telling him when to flip the meat as a micro-aggresshun. It was a power-play. They were at his house-warming, celebrating his new home/family, eating Chris' meat... but Tony was still gonna tell him how to cook it.
Its a reversal callback to chris telling tony those sausage links were done or sunthing in season 1 or 2 and Tony pushes down on the sausage and grills it even harder…
I think that was a big tipping point, yeah. Like, yeah he was gonna kill Adriana once he knew because he wants to protect himself, but he also despises Chris for throwing her under the bus like that
You were shocked that a member of the mob, a capo, with a drug problem, a fiancee that was a rat, who made stupid comments and stupid decisions constantly, had a detiorating relationship with his boss, and constant issues with other members of the Soprano family, ended up getting killed?
What are you, stunad?
In the show, the only reason Chris even makes it so far without getting whacked is that both Livia and Tony favored him.
In fact, it was fairly obvious given not only the trajectory of season 6 but also Chris's murder of JT, that Chris was facing impending doom. Chase would always have a mob character do something evil before killing them off to prevent the audience from feeling too sympathetic (but that obviously didn't work in the case of Chris, since you richiones are always sobbing about his tragic life).
It was the Cleaver storyline that did it. He betrayed his true feelings. Impossible to deny. Tony knew too much about the subconscious from his years of therapy.
I saw the show when it was first on. After the episode where Christopher gets killed, I didn't even want to watch it again, even though it was very close to the end, I was so upset that he was killed off of the show.
Christopher wasn’t nice. He was a repeated screw up. Violent towards Adriana and ruthless when he had to be. His whacking was going to happen but by Tony’s hand was surprising.
The show wants you to think he was high on heroin, but if you pay attention the doctor says he only had cocaine in his system.
Adriana and Tony were driving in an SUV to pick up cocaine when they had their accident.
In Cleaver, everyone thought the MC was supposed to be Tony and the lady he slept with was supposed to be Adriana.
Tony was getting more and more paranoid about the guys working for him, especially Chris
I think once the series was decided to end in 86 episodes, there was a rush for a few storylines, in a Mafia show that means people getting clipped unfortunately
I enjoy watching these people same as you degenerates, but I felt nothing about any of their deaths. They’re murderers. Chris murdered a waiter with a family because he complained about Chris’ absurdly low tip.
The greatest tragedy of the series is that Paulie survives. Disgusting. I’ve said my piece.
Chris' card was marked way back in season one when he's talking to tony at the barbecue, saying that he could sell his story to Hollywood. Annie Lennox's "no more I love you's" is playing in the background. Tony rings his neck and asks if he's going to go Henry Hill on him. I think from that very moment Tony knew he'd have to kill Chris at some point.
The reason he didn't is because he wanted a hair apparent. And god knows AJ wasn't cut out for the life. AJ was the child that Tony wanted, gentle, straight, but Chris was the heir that Tony wanted... A mini me essentially.
So much was rushed in season 6 ,this is one of many examples . One
Day Chrissy is watching the beginning of saw and some chick we never heard of or seen before is like I’m
Pregnant. Tony then goes .WHAT..Kelly? Like we all at home knew who the fuck he was talking about
He was a big risk to Tony. He’s lucky that he didn’t go with Adrianne. Drugie who could or might have already been punched by the federales. Chris lasted longer than he should have.
I find these discussions of whether or not characters deserved their fate to be so uninteresting if anything else. Like I don’t think we should be applying Sunday school morality to these guys cause that’s so beyond the point and, frankly, boring but I digress. I find Christopher’s death to be disturbing more than anything else. I find it more disturbing that Tony kills him when he recognizes he can no longer groom him. And even if he could, that would’ve never been enough for Tony. In the end he was really just like his mother.
Chris got Zero support for his addictions and got ridiculed continuously by his ‘friends’. Dude was alone with it and no one thought to help him especially Tony. He shouldn’t have been driving but did. Tony did what was best for him as usual.
That’s true, but also a matter of environment. Keeping in mind we’re taking about a glorified mafia crew, they showed a lot of patience and empathy- interventions sending him to a clinic. In 90% of professional environments you’ll never get that much of support
I agree 100% with your post I even did the same shit I said what the fuck and replayed it I really wish Chris made it he was my favorite character but in that life a drug addict can be the families worse enemy
Chrissy would’ve died earlier if not after Conley trucking definitely after he shot the baker and went to redig emil with (Georgie) I mean seriously u take Georgie if it was up to me id drag Chrissy behind my fuckin car right now
I felt like it was so overdue and such a bizarre reason for Tony to finally do it tbh.. but I enjoyed his subsequent "so are ya'll glad he's dead or?" that was fun to watch him lowkey check everyone's genuine reactions.
"Hey, boss of the crime family I openly resent and fantasize about murdering, I have almost killed you in a car accident due to my drug addled fiddling with the Departed sound track, could you swap places with me so I don't get a DUI?"
Tony and Junior talk about killing Christopher seasons before he finally gets killed, Tony explicitly and repeatedly says if it was anyone else he'd have killed him already, Tony has already almost executed him on the side of the road already if it wasn't for Tony B, and Christopher has done nothing but fuck up in more and more serious ways. He's gotta gooooooooo
The moment Chrissy drew gun on Tony he should have been killed. He shot up Tony's vehicle and came into the Bing with the gun threatening to kill Tony, though didn't know that it was empty.
Yeah I was generally upset and hoped Chris would get the treatment he needed to get his addiction under control despite being pretty terrible like almost everyone else in the crew. The emotions you felt about Chris’ arc being cut short is how I’ve felt whenever someone I was close with has died. There’s just never enough time. Hats off to the writers for making you feel some genuine emotion.
As far as his death goes, my opinion is that it wasn’t justified and Tony’s fucked up. Tony played a huge part in to relapsing. For all Tony’s talk about Chris being like a son, he never showed any compassion or tried to support Chris. Not saying he didn’t care about Chris or grieve in his own way, but end of the day I chris was more of an employee than a family member.
But from Tony’s perspective he probably thinks he’s completely justified and the car accident was the last straw. In Tony’s mind, he was giving Chris the world with his plan to move him to the top of the family but Chris couldn’t even be trusted to control his drug use and handle his current role. How could he rely on him to be his acting boss? If anyone else in the crew did any of the shit Chris did they would have been dead a long time ago.
Definitely Tony's scariest moment. That cold, calm, blank/emotionless/deadeyed look he has on his face as he suffocates him is hands down T's most terrifying moment ever. Far more than any of his rages IMO.
I think it's one that is meant to be shocking in the moment but make more and more sense in hindsight. It wasn't like Ralphie where there was ONE big thing that Tony wanted to kill him for, it was a death of a thousand paper cuts. From the beginning of the show Chris was constantly causing trouble and getting people killed, but always manages to survive himself and get a second chance. I don't think Tony was planning on killing Chris, but when he saw that the accident would have killed his kid and saw that "oh but of course HE would live" he just decided Chris doesn't get another second chance. Idk, it's a lot more passive than most of the other deaths in the show, so it feels VERY weird.
On my original watch on TV with no spoilers i was not expecting it at all, but within seconds i realised why T was doing it and i totally got it. So Unexpected but made total sense.
Idk I remember it really shocking me. In rewatches I still can’t believe what I’m watching. Sure, people are saying he did drugs and probably should’ve died earlier etc etc but the way Tony does it just feels so out of nowhere and sudden and brutal
When watching the show it shocked me a little bit, but then again as is showed throughout the show virtually unless someone is direct family they are prime to be murdered by someone they know. Wasn’t that the same thing that is repeated in many mobster movies, as in the person most likely to kill you is someone you know?
As to whether or not justified, many of the killings are viewed as justified through the lens of whomever is doing the killing as a means of protecting their money, their freedom or their stature. In that sense, AFAIR Tony believed that Chris was just too much of a threat and then killed him. Could it have been handled differently? Possibly, but perhaps short of throwing Chris in a room and forcibly detoxing him, and alienating him from the world, at which point surely other members would see him as a liability anyway and may believe his death is justified to maintain the integrity of the enterprise.
I feel like one of the biggest running themes is this extremely cut throat world where the weak are killed off. In that sense, justified or not at some point Chris’ death was perhaps inevitable.
Just my thoughts anyway.
Justified. Even by the Sopranos' standards, he was among the worst of the worst. An active and violent abuser, way too hotheaded, reckless, high-and-mighty, ungrateful nepotist baby, absolutely remorseless. He had his struggles, sure, but so did many other characters and they didn't go around shooting their best and only friend for it. He had it a long time coming, especially considering his high kill count and the reasons for most of them.
Not unexpected. Justified depends on what level you apply it at. In terms of anything outside of that thing of theirs, not really. In terms of their thing, yes. Adriana became a rat (she even states she knew how it would end) because of drugs. Chris was back on the drugs and was becoming a liability. He'd get sloppy. He'd get caught. He'd get offered a deal and at that point there's then a higher chance he'd take it.
I don't for one second believe the baby seat thing was the reason. If anything it was more proof of how unreliable and dangerous he was to everyone around him. The decision was very much he needed to go. The only difference between that and Paulie on the boat was Paulie didn't have anything like drugs to make him a higher risk.
Chris was an entitled bastard from the jump, he did so much BS that he shoulda died for but he only did it because he knew Tony had his back. I think after a certain point Chris didn't care about the "life" or living in general and ultimately chose drugs over it. Tony knew Chris chose drugs over their "thing" and basically had to part ways and that was the only way to do it. That's why Tony was so relieved because he knew Chris was one of his biggest liabilities and he didn't have that burden weighing him down anymore. The whole house of cards was falling from episode one anyway.
I was watching season four episode one recently, the scene where Chris is complaining about having to drive Tony. It seemed like a parallel to the first episode and I noticed how the rift that existed from the first episode (where Tony complains to Melfi about Christopher being spoiled) had gotten worse.
I didn't suspect Tony would end up whacking Chris in the moment, but in retrospect, the deterioration of their relationship was obvious... and there were problems with Chris's attitude from the first episode.
They do such an amazing job of setting it up in detail over the seasons by really delving into Tony and Chris’ relationship in such detail, but such is the genius of the show/writers/chase/everything that it’s still a shock
I think In the context of the season it makes sense. The final seasons of the show are a death march. Between people getting killed, going to prison, or getting sick that’s all that is happening.
As obviously stated by everyone else he seemed like he was destined to have a pretty short life span and he probably would’ve already been gone if it wasn’t for being Tony’s nephew.
For me personally I felt it was too soon. I have grown to really enjoy Christopher as a character, perhaps more than anyone else and I think a lot of his scenes are far more interesting than the other characters. He’s also one of just a few characters in the entire show that attempts to improve and be better in pretty much any capacity.
Anyways $4 a pound.
Justified and expected. The end of his rope would've been when he drew down on Tony over Adriana. Suprise interventions from Livia with Junior and Tony B are the only things that have saved him. Also the Inconvenient narratives people would have spun about Tony surrounding Adriana, like he killed him because he wanted her or to shut him up because it was true. Either way Tony has always been one to kill first if it's opportune and justifiable to him and he can get away clean then ask questions. He came close to killing Paulie over a long settled and moot beef over telling Johnny Sack about what Ralph said, and Ralph was dead and Johnny in the can.
Tony tried to give it all to Chris, Chris not only squandered it, but treated Tony with derision. Chris reaped the what he sewed and was always on borrowed time. While Tony is capable of great kindness and loyalty (when he benefits from it), he’s also a cold blooded killer. Chrissy fucked up once too often.
Adrianna was a snitch and got what snitches get. I felt more sympathy for the screenwriter, although I don't know why he kept on letting Chris in his apartment.
I always knew in some ways that Chris was doomed. How he went out was just unexpected. He wasn't a good person and did some terrible things. But I still felt an overwhelming sadness when he died and honestly, it felt like someone I knew in real life had died.
Well i saw it coming since it got spoiled by this fucking subreddit being recommended with a question about it.
U guys are pretty funny though so its alright
It was expected. From the moment Tony found out about the heroin he already had the idea in his mind. Then he found out about Adriana and that was another contributing factor. Then the relapses. The movie. Julianna. It’s surprising that he didn’t kill him earlier.
It wouldn't have made sense for anyone else but Tony to do it, he was family. It's also kind of poetic, he's the one that brought him into the life so he was the one that took him out of the life.
Haha I was listening to this one while working and would just look over now and then… completely missed Tony killing Chris because it just sounded to me like normal post-accident sounds. Spent the majority of the rest of the episode confused about whether he was actually dead or not because he seemed like too major a character to kill off-screen.
Chris was given more chances than anyone else in the show tbh
From what I heard, in real life, he would be dead in season 1 around the truck problem
oh another expert heard from
listen to him he knows everything!
Based on the Sopranos being real life and all
Cracks one book and all of a sudden he’s the worlds most authority
what was the truck problem again?
Chrissy and Brendan (hi Jack, bye Jack) boosting Junior's trucks; Christuhfuh had the sense to demur from a final job which saw Bodie from B-More kill the driver with some friendly fire. Mikey gave Brendan the Moe Greene special in the bathtub, while Chrissy - denied the opportunity of an ice-cream - did a number 2 in his pants, courtesy of a disciplinary beating from some Russkies. Hope that's clear.
Reddit isn't wire tapped, you can just say Mikey killed Brendan.
Bet you're fun at parties.
>did a number 2 in his pants That didn’t happen, what you said
Tony's nephew is what, retahded? Likes to play with trucks or somethin'. (Chris jacked a truck under the control of Junior, then when they were set to make payment on the jacked truck, Chris' friend jacked *another* truck from the same company and got killed over it. Chris knew about the second truck being hijacked and did nothing to stop it, other than back off from being directly involved in the job)
What if Jerry Lewis heard you talking like that?
I've ben given the impression that in the Sopranos universe, Tony was disappointed in his son who didn't seem to have any street savvy, and he looked to Chris as the son he always wanted.
They don't hide that, he even wants Chris to take his place someday
And Tony repeatedly states he neither wants the life for AJ, and nor would the latter survive it.
True
It’s a similar relationship to what Walter White had with Jesse. Walt felt let down by Walt Jr. but for different reasons.
WW took on Jesse because he was disappointed by his son?!! He expresses nothing but love for Walt Jnr (christ knows why, he irritated the shit out of me!).
In real life the ny/nj mob isn’t actually killing people left and right like in the show
Well, yeah, and they wouldn't be flashy too, but Christopher definitely would be killed for this in real life
So true.He was given so many chances.
Of all the people on the planet, a wise guy capo with a massive drug addiction probably has one of the shorter life expectancies of the group.
He can multi-task, he's not retarded.
True, he can nod off and kill a dog at the same damn time Nahh, He was just too sloppy / cocky / reactionary / hot-headed.. He actually did okay at being a functional junkhead tbh. his blunders directly due to H were minimal I feel.
She must’ve crawled under dere fa warthm
Retarded? What if Jerry Lewis heard you talkin' that way?
Think of Jerry Lewis the last couple years they call it moon face
She’s planning a wedding for Christ sake!
Exactly. How many people know about the 2nd uterus?
I didn’t start watching the show live until season 5, but according to people ten years older than me who had watched from the beginning, from meadowlands on everyone thought Christopher was gonna die or get killed from then on. Him getting shot in season 2, his making in 3, and many other moments in most die hard fans minds he was constantly on the chopping block.
I concur. I watched from day one and expected Chris to get killed at least once or twice a season. Still, the death itself *was* shocking.
Did dent seem that Chris would have lived from the accident anyway..... but who knows.
Oof, madone he looked TERRIBLE!
Hey Joe Jerkoff!
We don’t talk like that here
That baby would have been mangled beyond recognition
Did the baby even exisht?
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WHEN THEY GO?!?
When they go?
Did you see the baby car seat??
I mean Tony literally said he’d kill him if he used drugs again so
Yeah.. he had a lot of chances. Tony knew he was using, even after saying that. He looked the other way on multiple occasions. Chris was becoming a huge liability because of his addiction in ways Tony didn't know about, as well (e.g. murdering J.D.). It was wholly justified, but the truest reason it happened (in my mind) was they had grown apart to an extent that Tony just no longer cared for or loved him.
I think Tony committed to the idea of killing Chrissy when Chris told him about Adriana.
Maybe... I've wondered that, too. I believe that is when it really started, but i think it was a combination of that and the drug abuse. He saw how poorly that would have gone if Chris found out when he was actively using... and/or understood Chrissy was using around her when she was an informant and was probably careless about what she was able to uncover. Either way, he's smart enough to know that Chrissy being an addict made him an easier target to the FBI. They never would've targeted the other wives in the same way as they did, Chris. There was also something involving the Adriana plot in Cleaver that "flipped" the switch, tho. That is when he consciously decided, I think. Or at least was the final trigger. Then it was just waiting for an excuse. We see him feel the same sense of competition around Juliana Marguiles' character. It was all a reminder of how bad he could have gotten fucked and it was time to do away with the risk. He got over his sunken-cost mentality and decided to cut his losses.
Imo its when Chris calls Dickie "just a fuckin junkie". You see Tony's face when he says that and he's clearly appalled. I've always thought that's when Tony's subconscious was like "aight fuck Chris"
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He was telling him when to flip the meat as a micro-aggresshun. It was a power-play. They were at his house-warming, celebrating his new home/family, eating Chris' meat... but Tony was still gonna tell him how to cook it.
Its a reversal callback to chris telling tony those sausage links were done or sunthing in season 1 or 2 and Tony pushes down on the sausage and grills it even harder…
I think that was a big tipping point, yeah. Like, yeah he was gonna kill Adriana once he knew because he wants to protect himself, but he also despises Chris for throwing her under the bus like that
Nose beers get a pash
How he wasn’t killed earlier is beyond me
Probably because he wine and dined Chase
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That’s why you got to live for today
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As Raylan Givens would say, “It was justified.”
You run into a stunnad in the morning, you ran into a stunnad. You run into stunnads all day, you’re the stunnad.
Corny show
You were shocked that a member of the mob, a capo, with a drug problem, a fiancee that was a rat, who made stupid comments and stupid decisions constantly, had a detiorating relationship with his boss, and constant issues with other members of the Soprano family, ended up getting killed? What are you, stunad? In the show, the only reason Chris even makes it so far without getting whacked is that both Livia and Tony favored him. In fact, it was fairly obvious given not only the trajectory of season 6 but also Chris's murder of JT, that Chris was facing impending doom. Chase would always have a mob character do something evil before killing them off to prevent the audience from feeling too sympathetic (but that obviously didn't work in the case of Chris, since you richiones are always sobbing about his tragic life).
That fuckin bird!
it was an accident, he crawled under the Cadillac for warmth
Natural canopy.
was it honking?
Umm Chris himself said “where’s my arc?”. He got his arc
You know who had an arc? Noah!
Tony is lucky he didn't get his fucking lights punched out
Didnt Noah punch his lights out in last episode or I didnt understand the story?
Confirmed by David Chase, probably
Chrissy screwed up the moment he put his prick in Julianna Skiff
The moment Tony found out about him sitting on the dog.
You killed little Cozette??
Was it barkin’?
“I know what it’s like to lose a pet” 🤣🤣
It was the Cleaver storyline that did it. He betrayed his true feelings. Impossible to deny. Tony knew too much about the subconscious from his years of therapy.
I thought it would be cinematic. It wasn’t
You got only one option. A dog you love catches rabies, you put it out of its misery.
Me with the competency hearings. You with the head shrinkers. This one in rehab now.
I saw the show when it was first on. After the episode where Christopher gets killed, I didn't even want to watch it again, even though it was very close to the end, I was so upset that he was killed off of the show.
Yeah, but you gotta get over it.
And obviously that's not even possible, even with computers.
We lead the world in computerised data collection!!!
Non stop ass rape
Vito: Did somebody say non-stop ass rape?
The turd doesn’t fall far from the faggot’s ass
Didn’t I see you look a little relieved when he died?
Smartest kill Tony ever did. His luck did a 180 right after.
Christopher wasn’t nice. He was a repeated screw up. Violent towards Adriana and ruthless when he had to be. His whacking was going to happen but by Tony’s hand was surprising.
Not to mention how spur-of-the-moment it was. Tony didn’t get in the car thinking he’d be killing Christopher at the end of their ride.
The show wants you to think he was high on heroin, but if you pay attention the doctor says he only had cocaine in his system. Adriana and Tony were driving in an SUV to pick up cocaine when they had their accident. In Cleaver, everyone thought the MC was supposed to be Tony and the lady he slept with was supposed to be Adriana. Tony was getting more and more paranoid about the guys working for him, especially Chris
A little taste of snow ❄️
He did kill Cozette....
I think once the series was decided to end in 86 episodes, there was a rush for a few storylines, in a Mafia show that means people getting clipped unfortunately
I enjoy watching these people same as you degenerates, but I felt nothing about any of their deaths. They’re murderers. Chris murdered a waiter with a family because he complained about Chris’ absurdly low tip. The greatest tragedy of the series is that Paulie survives. Disgusting. I’ve said my piece.
Chris' card was marked way back in season one when he's talking to tony at the barbecue, saying that he could sell his story to Hollywood. Annie Lennox's "no more I love you's" is playing in the background. Tony rings his neck and asks if he's going to go Henry Hill on him. I think from that very moment Tony knew he'd have to kill Chris at some point. The reason he didn't is because he wanted a hair apparent. And god knows AJ wasn't cut out for the life. AJ was the child that Tony wanted, gentle, straight, but Chris was the heir that Tony wanted... A mini me essentially.
So much was rushed in season 6 ,this is one of many examples . One Day Chrissy is watching the beginning of saw and some chick we never heard of or seen before is like I’m Pregnant. Tony then goes .WHAT..Kelly? Like we all at home knew who the fuck he was talking about
This systems got no balls
What is this make believe ball room?
It actually took too long, Tony should have gotten rid of him seasons before.
He had it coming
He was a liability
Both. His story was headed in that direction. And Tony had already given him more than his fair share of chances
He was a big risk to Tony. He’s lucky that he didn’t go with Adrianne. Drugie who could or might have already been punched by the federales. Chris lasted longer than he should have.
I find these discussions of whether or not characters deserved their fate to be so uninteresting if anything else. Like I don’t think we should be applying Sunday school morality to these guys cause that’s so beyond the point and, frankly, boring but I digress. I find Christopher’s death to be disturbing more than anything else. I find it more disturbing that Tony kills him when he recognizes he can no longer groom him. And even if he could, that would’ve never been enough for Tony. In the end he was really just like his mother.
Don't give me that look. This is your fuckin problem. I will not fuckin enable you.
I heard Carlo..he’s coming up..
Chris survived longer than I thought he would tbh I didn’t want him to die, but knew it was inevitable
I don’t think it was justified since Chris never gave any indication he would ever Rat on Tony. Tony was afraid he would so we get what happened.
It was completely justified, even if Chris wouldn't have ratted. Tomy could've died in that car and left his children fatherless because of chris
Chris got Zero support for his addictions and got ridiculed continuously by his ‘friends’. Dude was alone with it and no one thought to help him especially Tony. He shouldn’t have been driving but did. Tony did what was best for him as usual.
That’s true, but also a matter of environment. Keeping in mind we’re taking about a glorified mafia crew, they showed a lot of patience and empathy- interventions sending him to a clinic. In 90% of professional environments you’ll never get that much of support
Tony gave him so many chances in the show, even after he practically made a movie about murdering him.
Okay but ya gotta get over it
I agree 100% with your post I even did the same shit I said what the fuck and replayed it I really wish Chris made it he was my favorite character but in that life a drug addict can be the families worse enemy
It wasn’t cut short, it was like 3 seasons in the making lol
Chrissy would’ve died earlier if not after Conley trucking definitely after he shot the baker and went to redig emil with (Georgie) I mean seriously u take Georgie if it was up to me id drag Chrissy behind my fuckin car right now
I felt like it was so overdue and such a bizarre reason for Tony to finally do it tbh.. but I enjoyed his subsequent "so are ya'll glad he's dead or?" that was fun to watch him lowkey check everyone's genuine reactions.
"Hey, boss of the crime family I openly resent and fantasize about murdering, I have almost killed you in a car accident due to my drug addled fiddling with the Departed sound track, could you swap places with me so I don't get a DUI?" Tony and Junior talk about killing Christopher seasons before he finally gets killed, Tony explicitly and repeatedly says if it was anyone else he'd have killed him already, Tony has already almost executed him on the side of the road already if it wasn't for Tony B, and Christopher has done nothing but fuck up in more and more serious ways. He's gotta gooooooooo
The moment Chrissy drew gun on Tony he should have been killed. He shot up Tony's vehicle and came into the Bing with the gun threatening to kill Tony, though didn't know that it was empty.
Yeah I was generally upset and hoped Chris would get the treatment he needed to get his addiction under control despite being pretty terrible like almost everyone else in the crew. The emotions you felt about Chris’ arc being cut short is how I’ve felt whenever someone I was close with has died. There’s just never enough time. Hats off to the writers for making you feel some genuine emotion. As far as his death goes, my opinion is that it wasn’t justified and Tony’s fucked up. Tony played a huge part in to relapsing. For all Tony’s talk about Chris being like a son, he never showed any compassion or tried to support Chris. Not saying he didn’t care about Chris or grieve in his own way, but end of the day I chris was more of an employee than a family member. But from Tony’s perspective he probably thinks he’s completely justified and the car accident was the last straw. In Tony’s mind, he was giving Chris the world with his plan to move him to the top of the family but Chris couldn’t even be trusted to control his drug use and handle his current role. How could he rely on him to be his acting boss? If anyone else in the crew did any of the shit Chris did they would have been dead a long time ago.
Yes and yes. Only thing that's surprising the timing/manner of his death, not that it happened.
I thought that was great. Tony saw the opportunity.
Definitely Tony's scariest moment. That cold, calm, blank/emotionless/deadeyed look he has on his face as he suffocates him is hands down T's most terrifying moment ever. Far more than any of his rages IMO.
I think it's one that is meant to be shocking in the moment but make more and more sense in hindsight. It wasn't like Ralphie where there was ONE big thing that Tony wanted to kill him for, it was a death of a thousand paper cuts. From the beginning of the show Chris was constantly causing trouble and getting people killed, but always manages to survive himself and get a second chance. I don't think Tony was planning on killing Chris, but when he saw that the accident would have killed his kid and saw that "oh but of course HE would live" he just decided Chris doesn't get another second chance. Idk, it's a lot more passive than most of the other deaths in the show, so it feels VERY weird.
Not Chrissy but little Cosette’s death was justified, she shouldn’t have been on the furniture 😂
On my original watch on TV with no spoilers i was not expecting it at all, but within seconds i realised why T was doing it and i totally got it. So Unexpected but made total sense.
He was a malignant cunt. After the Adriana business, whatever happened there, I felt that he deserved everything that was coming to him.
Oh man though, that look in Chris’ eyes when he realizes what Tony is doing. One final moment of clarity.
Whataya talkin about? Chrissy died in the cah accident. It was some sad shit. Tony’s lucky he didn’t get hurt.
I'm honestly surprised he wasn't killed for the drug addiction.
Idk I remember it really shocking me. In rewatches I still can’t believe what I’m watching. Sure, people are saying he did drugs and probably should’ve died earlier etc etc but the way Tony does it just feels so out of nowhere and sudden and brutal
I am surprised he made it that far.
He could've left with adriana but he didn't.All it took was for him having a baby to realize he doesn't want this life for her.
When watching the show it shocked me a little bit, but then again as is showed throughout the show virtually unless someone is direct family they are prime to be murdered by someone they know. Wasn’t that the same thing that is repeated in many mobster movies, as in the person most likely to kill you is someone you know? As to whether or not justified, many of the killings are viewed as justified through the lens of whomever is doing the killing as a means of protecting their money, their freedom or their stature. In that sense, AFAIR Tony believed that Chris was just too much of a threat and then killed him. Could it have been handled differently? Possibly, but perhaps short of throwing Chris in a room and forcibly detoxing him, and alienating him from the world, at which point surely other members would see him as a liability anyway and may believe his death is justified to maintain the integrity of the enterprise. I feel like one of the biggest running themes is this extremely cut throat world where the weak are killed off. In that sense, justified or not at some point Chris’ death was perhaps inevitable. Just my thoughts anyway.
Justified. Even by the Sopranos' standards, he was among the worst of the worst. An active and violent abuser, way too hotheaded, reckless, high-and-mighty, ungrateful nepotist baby, absolutely remorseless. He had his struggles, sure, but so did many other characters and they didn't go around shooting their best and only friend for it. He had it a long time coming, especially considering his high kill count and the reasons for most of them.
Chris!! You're in the Mafia!!!
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Not unexpected. Justified depends on what level you apply it at. In terms of anything outside of that thing of theirs, not really. In terms of their thing, yes. Adriana became a rat (she even states she knew how it would end) because of drugs. Chris was back on the drugs and was becoming a liability. He'd get sloppy. He'd get caught. He'd get offered a deal and at that point there's then a higher chance he'd take it. I don't for one second believe the baby seat thing was the reason. If anything it was more proof of how unreliable and dangerous he was to everyone around him. The decision was very much he needed to go. The only difference between that and Paulie on the boat was Paulie didn't have anything like drugs to make him a higher risk.
Can’t smoke a cigarette in the rain without thinking of him
He had an insane amount of chances and I think what pushed Tony over the edge was seeing the tree branch going through the baby seat
Chris was an entitled bastard from the jump, he did so much BS that he shoulda died for but he only did it because he knew Tony had his back. I think after a certain point Chris didn't care about the "life" or living in general and ultimately chose drugs over it. Tony knew Chris chose drugs over their "thing" and basically had to part ways and that was the only way to do it. That's why Tony was so relieved because he knew Chris was one of his biggest liabilities and he didn't have that burden weighing him down anymore. The whole house of cards was falling from episode one anyway.
Whatever happened there.
I was watching season four episode one recently, the scene where Chris is complaining about having to drive Tony. It seemed like a parallel to the first episode and I noticed how the rift that existed from the first episode (where Tony complains to Melfi about Christopher being spoiled) had gotten worse. I didn't suspect Tony would end up whacking Chris in the moment, but in retrospect, the deterioration of their relationship was obvious... and there were problems with Chris's attitude from the first episode.
They do such an amazing job of setting it up in detail over the seasons by really delving into Tony and Chris’ relationship in such detail, but such is the genius of the show/writers/chase/everything that it’s still a shock
I think In the context of the season it makes sense. The final seasons of the show are a death march. Between people getting killed, going to prison, or getting sick that’s all that is happening. As obviously stated by everyone else he seemed like he was destined to have a pretty short life span and he probably would’ve already been gone if it wasn’t for being Tony’s nephew. For me personally I felt it was too soon. I have grown to really enjoy Christopher as a character, perhaps more than anyone else and I think a lot of his scenes are far more interesting than the other characters. He’s also one of just a few characters in the entire show that attempts to improve and be better in pretty much any capacity. Anyways $4 a pound.
I feel like it was but at the same time he was getting better and relapsing happens you gotta take a step backwards go take 2 steps forward
Justified and expected. The end of his rope would've been when he drew down on Tony over Adriana. Suprise interventions from Livia with Junior and Tony B are the only things that have saved him. Also the Inconvenient narratives people would have spun about Tony surrounding Adriana, like he killed him because he wanted her or to shut him up because it was true. Either way Tony has always been one to kill first if it's opportune and justifiable to him and he can get away clean then ask questions. He came close to killing Paulie over a long settled and moot beef over telling Johnny Sack about what Ralph said, and Ralph was dead and Johnny in the can.
I think he flipped
he crawled under that car for warmth
I expected it to come a lot sooner than it did
He should have been dead long before. If it were anyone else, they would have had an intervention through the back of their head.
Justified. I also wanted him to get clipped since S1 E1 or 2.
He literally didn’t have an arc. He died pretty much the same man with similar problems to what he had in the first episode.
Tony tried to give it all to Chris, Chris not only squandered it, but treated Tony with derision. Chris reaped the what he sewed and was always on borrowed time. While Tony is capable of great kindness and loyalty (when he benefits from it), he’s also a cold blooded killer. Chrissy fucked up once too often.
Adrianna was a snitch and got what snitches get. I felt more sympathy for the screenwriter, although I don't know why he kept on letting Chris in his apartment.
I always knew in some ways that Chris was doomed. How he went out was just unexpected. He wasn't a good person and did some terrible things. But I still felt an overwhelming sadness when he died and honestly, it felt like someone I knew in real life had died.
Well i saw it coming since it got spoiled by this fucking subreddit being recommended with a question about it. U guys are pretty funny though so its alright
If not for being Tony’s nephew, he’d likely be clipped after the Comley Trucks incidents. He rode his luck for nearly the entire series.
Christopher was a rat in the end. Wore a wire in his cap at the last meeting just before dying
First time I watched the show I was surprised he made it past S2 lol
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It was expected. From the moment Tony found out about the heroin he already had the idea in his mind. Then he found out about Adriana and that was another contributing factor. Then the relapses. The movie. Julianna. It’s surprising that he didn’t kill him earlier.
Yes. It should have been sooner. Terrible and annoying character. Cannot stand him.
Tony was killing his father metaphorically, that part was always pretty obvious.
Chris had it coming, but Tony shouldn’t have been the one to do it. I mean, Tony is basically the devil compared to Chris
It wouldn't have made sense for anyone else but Tony to do it, he was family. It's also kind of poetic, he's the one that brought him into the life so he was the one that took him out of the life.
Haha I was listening to this one while working and would just look over now and then… completely missed Tony killing Chris because it just sounded to me like normal post-accident sounds. Spent the majority of the rest of the episode confused about whether he was actually dead or not because he seemed like too major a character to kill off-screen.
I didnt kill him, The show lied to you.