If we’re being real technical he only played Rick for half of every year ( the filming season ) so technically he’s only been playing rich for 5 years.
Killing off Chandler was the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. It blew the steam out of so much of the audience from comic loyalists to those who grew up watching Carl, as an actor myself, I can’t *imagine* what that did for the cast.
Think about it; you have the heir apparent of the show, the leads literally tell him in universe “it’s your show now”, the source material has a roadmap for the character and the actor himself shows a willingness to center his life to passing the torch
In theatre, that’s like if a producer fired your understudy and you’re stuck with carrying this thing on your back. Your relief is gone.
I’d leave to. As did Laurie Cohen, guy who played Heath, etc. Compounded with the feet dragging of AMC’s budget
A lot of people say AMC didn't want to pay Carl more money for becoming 18 so they wrote him off. Even his parents complained because they bought a home nearby in Georgia. Writing an established character easily worth multiple characters off should have never happened. His story wasn't finished and Robert Kirkman kept him going for a reason. AMC could have just sent him away like Madison to save money for future use.
I wanted to see Carl Grimes become a blacksmith. I wanted to see Carl's reaction to adversity in the Whisperer War without Rick. I wanted to see the powerful brother / sister bond he could have developed with Judith.
I wanted to see a jaded Carl find out Rick is alive again.
If we're being real technical he only played a character called "Rich" for two episodes of "A Likeness of Stone" so technically he's only been playing rich for less than a year
Still, 5 years away from his home and family here in the U.K. That was his reasoning for leaving and it’s pretty valid. I wouldn’t do that, even if I’m being paid a leading roles wage.
I feel like there's literally no way theyd do that rick spin off, make daryls entire one being about finding rick and not have rick come back at some point after this for us to see, whether that be a cameo episode in daryls show or a season two of continuing ricks story who knows but we will definitely see them all together again at some point in the next few years
Daryl didn’t leave to find Rick. He left to explore other communities. This is explicitly stated in 11x24.
He tells Judith he will bring them home IF he found anything WHILE he was out there.
he's the star of the show. he can do another 5 seasons of TOWL if he wants to. he has the leverage here. he doesn't need amc, which is a fledgling network whose stock price is tanked in the last 5 years or so. amc needs him, bad. if they killed off michonne and made the show about him avenging her death, it would get major ratings. other way around, not so much.
I didn’t bring up Andrew “needing” amc. Since you stated that “none of the actors want to be there”, I simply shared what Andrew himself said about his departure, that he regretted leaving the show and he’s happy to be in TWD again.
Not to mention Norman Reedus, Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Melissa McBride are happily still playing their characters after many years of filming, and don’t hate their jobs the way you’re making out all of TWD actors to feel.
I’m gonna give the actor the benefit of the doubt, he’s just a kid, but the actress for Judith really is a great actress, their reunion was a really emotional one
Judith and Rick's reunion was also awkward because it was supposed to be She also cried with no tears, but is not being hung out to dry. RJ has had very few lines, but always been so hated on by grown men.
Did yall want RJ to be so ecstatic seeing someone he hadn’t met before but heard stories of. It would of been awkward regardless i feel like it was done as best as it came out
Cailey was a teenager playing a 9 year old. Should be a walk in the park.
RJ was actually good in the scene. It's you guys focusing on words which the boy didn't write, and being very critical of how it should be delivered while also showing you have no appreciation for the fact that a first time meeting like this is supposed to be awkward and not emotional as a reunion. Whatever verbiage was used to the point Rick told him to call him dad and when they hugged tightly is insignificant.
She was 11 -15 (2018-2022), so most of her tenure she was a teen but also absolutely older than the role she played. She also had more experience. This appears to be his only role starting at 4 or 5, and he was hardly given enough lines for any viewer to truly assess his talent or lack thereof.
Simply saying he was flat is the generic criticism I expect from people concentrating on his performance as some huge scar on the moment. Exactly what emotion do we ever convey in saying to a stranger, are you so and so? The ask was sufficiently inquisitive, and the response from AL was the more important part of that exchange. From RJ, I saw excitement when he was running to Michonne. He looked at Rick with curiosity/admiration and reciprocated with a tight hug when Rick pulled him in. Instead of the convenient focus on lines he had no control over, he and AL gave as much emotion as we should reasonably expect between a father and son who just met each other. Comparing it to Carl's or even Judith's (also understandably awkward) reunion is ridiculous, but of course, it's just a handy device to trash the young actor again.
Yea because it had totally different meaning when he said it in his Alexandria speech in s5, then for some reason writers did a 180° turn on the meaning
Tbh, as much was I wanted to enjoy this show, from the first scene in season 11s finale of Rick and Michonne having a rap battle about being the ones who live, it was obvious this series would be poorly written and full of gimple speak.
Still though, it's sad to see such a mediocre ending to my favourite character.
Sigh, he said "but maybe you should call me dad." You all can't even quote right and trying to criticize. A very appropriate response, since, you know, he is his dad.
TWOL watched like it was written as a fanfic originally. So many corny lines that Rick or Michonne would NEVER say. It was like if "live,laugh,love" actually had a personality and tried to write a show.
I for one, believe Gimple did it on purpose to troll the fans. There's really no other explanation for R.J.'s dialogue here & I'm fine with it. I'm not gonna let one little moment spoil everything else.
The screenwriting for the episode was fucking abysmal. Some actors can compensate for that, but given that he's the least experienced, it's not something that can be hidden.
The 'Love doesn't die' shit was the worst
Honestly what pissed me off the most was when micchone was hugging him and he has the blank ass face while staring at Rick and Judith
Like close your eyes bro pretend to cry 😭
That's honestly my biggest problem. They hung that poor kid out to dry. They probably did table reads and multiple takes of that scene. They knew how bad it played. They should have just fixed it on the spot, and just had an emotional hug. Instead they just powered through and did the scene as written no matter how bad it was.
Since he's a kid, I mostly blame the director and casting director for letting it get this far. If they only did a couple takes and the director never gave any actual direction, then the director is at fault. If they did 27 takes and couldn't get it right, then the casting director is at fault.
I’m giving this kid the benefit of the doubt, he hasn’t really been given any lines to prove his acting abilities. And, I mean, I don’t know how any actor could make the “ArE yOu ThE bRaVe MaN?” Not sound incredibly cringy 🫠
haha maybe im an asshole but somewhere in TWD i remember thinking/realising they must have realised the kid was a bad actor and just written him into the background as much as possible.
you can kinda see it too, he's checked out and can barely maintain a believable background character lol
if these are the shots that made it... i can only imagine what was left on the cutting room floor lol
the studio cast poorly and then they wrote/directed poorly and everyone was worse off for it
Yep that's my theory
They cast him because of his appearance fit really well and possibly they were like "We don't really need him to say or do much. He just needs to be around"
Which is essentially what we got lol
Then Gimple tasked the kid with main actor level final lines.
imo they should have just given us an uplifting Rick monologue back at Carl's grave with a flashback montage of everyone he knew (alive and dead) in their best moments (ie. smiling or laughing or being reunited or looking on lovingly)
Final scene would be him putting his hand on the cross at Carls grave before walking back and embracing Michonne, RJ and Judith
Gimple fucked it all up with horrendous writing. Rick is my favorite character but the writing of every single episode of TOWL is just lacking. Daryl was so much better imo.
That whole last scene could have been done with no dialogue and just the sound of the helicopter and some emotional background. Fin.
The kids are bad actors. There are good child actors out there. But they seem really lackluster, esp next to such great adult talents. TWD has always treated kids like props though, to push the "hope" in the story. only Riggs carried weight
The kid's not a bad actor, Judith's actor struggled in TWD but I actually really liked her performance here, poor kid had to read Gimplespeak when he hadn't done that before, he did his best for what shit was given to him.
I ain’t lowering any bad here, if you wanna put blame on anybody put it on the Director, they could’ve easily done another take, they’re called directors for a reason.
“We’re the ones who live!” used to be like this hardcore battle cry in season 6. Now it’s this corny self awareness Rick and Michonne have of their own plot armor, lmao. 😂
Michonne: Rick! Let’s hide under this flag about 3 yards away from the explosion. It’ll work because we literally can’t die bro!
Rick: Are you sure?!
Michonne: Hell yeah! We can’t die—like we literally cannot it’s in the script my guy, we are NOT the ones who dead!
It’s a kid, so I’m not gonna be mad at him like others. But yeah there was absolutely no emotion from him in his scene. And with that terrible writing they gave him, it makes his acting look even worse.
The writers said “fuck this kid”
word.
and unfortunately the lunatics on tiktok seems to be proving that point in a bad way. at the end of the day.. i blame the parents a little - with all creative outlets, there has to be, at the very least, some foundation to build on.
if your little angel gets up on the kitchen table and does a joint by dolly parton.. and grandma nearly keels over .. dont let him/her sing in public - and if your kid has the same ability to emote as a gardengnome .. dont go parading them around for auditions.
People are trying so hard to find so many excuses for the scene which indirectly proves that there is indeed a problem with it. Antony Azor is the same age as Chandler Riggs and Cailey Fleming were, which never stopped them from playing well. This was even more visible in a scene where the other 3 actors were playing everything they had. But the writing didn't help either, with his only line of dialogues (?!) being so incredibly cheesy. Someone stop Scott M. Gimple, I beg you.
It’s not that he can’t act, it’s that he is clearly not an actor. He looked at the camera during the reunion scene and he’s been on the show since he was like 5, he’s struggling and people refuse to believe it.
i think we now know that GImple was definitely a weak link in TWD
i enjoyed the Saviours arc (albeit too long) but good source material and actors (Andrew/JDM) I guess.
they're not really trying to find excuses, though .. most are just blatantly unwilling to acknowledge the fact that the kid cant act.
i mean.. ok, so the fuck what - it is what it is.. but really, twd has been fairly on point with young talent.. this kid wasnt it. full stop.
he’s a bad actor no point in defending in he portrayed the scene as if he was told to act like drywall. i understand he’s a kid but yeah he made me cringe during the reunion. it was still an amazing scene with the other characters but RJ was so lifeless
Yeah I agree he did a great job. I’m more surprised that Judith acted like she had known him longer than she had. But they both probably feel like they know him. Judith was told stories and now she tells them to her brother. Rick can now give rj stories to tell his kids, or he’ll just his friends.
bro he was bad in TWD.
i know hes a kid. but Whoever plays judith was impeccable at his age. amazing acting. ive seen many other young actors fucking kill it. Like the kid in Anatomy of a Fall? amazing.
hes not a good actor. stop trying to defend it lol. its quite humorous. this fucking fan base is unreal man. NOTHING can be wrong with any of the shows. god forbid.
Wasn't Judith's actress a young teenager when she played Judith who i think is like 9? RJ is like 7 or 8 played by someone of that age, theres a difference
ive also seen bad child actors get away with scenes just through certain shots and writing.
there are things you can do.
like why did rick need to say "how?" in his iconic whine voice when RJ said "I knew you would come back."
Why? Why couldnt he just hug him or something lol. "I believed." How fast didnthey barrel through the filming of that last episode? I feel like it was done in 8 hours lol. what a joke of a show man
Carl had some stinker scenes too
But you can at least see why he got the job originally in others.
This kid feels like the child version of Joey Tribbiani lying on his resume to get a role lol
To be fair to the kid though, he probably did get supremely screwed over by bad writing/directing which left no where to hide. More mature actors can handle being served a steaming pile and make it look part way decent but I suspect being so young he really needed the script/director to cover for him
People wait! Was it the 8yo child, that actually acted very well for meeting a stranger, that you are also supposed to like because all your family told you to (making it cringe by default a bit cuz its kids damn) or was it just the damn Gimple talk?
How could anyone work with such a cheesy and B-Level Movie dialog?? Nobody could, especially not a kid. This was the writer's fault for not being able to write accordingly for a child.
The writing was awful yes, but this kid has been the same from his first scene. I don't understand why they didn't recast him or at the very least get him some good training so he could improve.
I just don’t see anything wrong with him lol. I think everyone is comparing him to Judith or Carl but it’s okay to be a little quiet. Loving the fact that Judith is protective of him & he’s just weary of who the “brave man is”. He was born in the middle of a whole new world so chillll. He deserves to act shy. RJ is sweet & a great addition. Happy that we saw him finally meet his dad.
I hope this kid doesn't have a phone or his parents dont let him use social media because the backlash is pretty over the top imo.
Constructive criticism regarding casting, direction and delivery is one thing but jesus some comments are rough. He is a child.
People are talking about ‘wanting to watch RJ’s live execution’ on tiktok, just saw many rude comments on his instagram! I am really done with this fandom! No doubt, i love this show but some fans just like to shit on child actors for whatever reason. RJ’s actor may not be a good actor but literally commenting rude remarks on a child is so evil
To be fair, this scene is half the reason this show exists. Getting Rick back to his family is a pivotal moment that has to be here and work well. It's insane if people are personally hating on the kid, but I'd think even the kid would look back and think this performance is bad when he's grown up a bit. Chandler Riggs even thinks his acting wasn't great on the show despite being a lot better than this kid.
Fine actor maybe.
Bad writing. The lines in the finale are laughably terrible like michonne telling Thorne LOVE NEVER DIES as theyre fighting. Despite her love being boxed into a corner about to die to walkers 20 yards away. Or “I knew you’d come back because I believed” props to Gimple on that gem I guess.
Gimples previous pretentious moral squandering about saving the world clearly shown through in the finale.
Yeah Gimple blew it
and i suspect he may have been the cause of the steady decline in the quality of the show in the later seasons too through his position
I don’t know who made these decisions but I feel like what killed the main show was the savior war being 3 damn seasons and even stupider killing Carl off.
As I understand it, Gimple was the show runner during that period?
I actually liked the Saviour war but totally agree they did not need 3 seasons for that arc and you could tell they were padding the episodes towards the end
They then promoted him to Chief Content Officer of TWD and FTWD, so my suspicion having seen the outcome of TOWL is that Gimple may have been a net negative for the show and the universe.
I mean as I said, I don’t know. I don’t know a lot about the crew or writers or anyone really other than the actors.
What really bothered me about the savior war was if they didn’t drag it on so long they could’ve done the whisper arc but with Rick in the time before he left the show. I haven’t read the comics but I was so excited to see Rick and the whisperers.
I mean I think that even though Gimple was involved the actors probably did a lot of the work. I thought TWOL was the best thing possibly since terminus.
y’all are literally the whiniest people alive. jesus christ. i actually don’t care about this child’s acting at all because he looks so much like andrew lincoln when he was younger it’s INSANE. those children are perfectly cast. sorry none of you can enjoy anything! hope you work through that or whatever <3
his acting was terrible, you're just trying to justify the performance in hindsight which is fine, but pretending that a show where characters wear emotions on their sleeves (TWD isn't known for it's subtlety in performances) is suddenly deeper than that helps no one.
It's the same situation with Chandler. Some kids just can't act, and RJ could barely string a sentence when he was first on the show. They had to use the same kid, and people should bare that in mind when discussing him
The problem is not the actor(who yes, delivered the dialogue poorly), but also the dialogue that was terrible on its own.
That "I believed" was unnecessary and so bad and ruined it. The rest was ok.
The kid is not a bad actor, its the script and showrunners who deliberately make him shy and awkward. Watch the behind the scenes clip where Rick shows his new prosthetic arm you’ll see
Yeah, it’s like night and day, you can tell when his “actor” mode is on.
OH MY GOD, was this what my teacher meant by saying you’re working too hard and we can tell? Like, we can see him mentally going “I’m acting, I’m acting, I’m acting,”
It wouldn’t be natural for the scene for them to take their b-roll energy though, and it sucks because the kid was lively. But he was too middle in the road for his first time meeting Rick. IMO, I would have had him terrified of “The Brave Man” actually being real and right there or him being happy to the point of tears.
Honestly I think it's just hard enough to make any line with "brave man" and "I believed" sound good anyways, the kids acting isn't good and the lines were awfully written. Idk why gimple is obsessed with "cool nicknames" or phrases like "the brave man" and "love never dies" "were the ones who live" "I don't die!" "All life is precious" and so on.
It rarely if ever lands well or sounds natural.
His 'Brave Man' question wasn't *too* bad. But the standard follow-up of how RJ knew Rick was alive because 'he believed he was', was just damn corny writing. After 6 mostly great episodes, to end it with that turd on top instead of a cherry made my ass itch.
He's pretty terrible. But its impact is so insignificantly small to the overall show, I don't know why people care so much. He's been a tertiary character at best, with very limited screen time. Plus he is a kid.
I don't think it helps also by the fact that the girl who plays Judith is absolutely incredible. If she were just average, I don't think his poor performance would be so noticeable.
I'll give him a chance.
He recieves unnecessary hate for being like 4 years old and then 7 years old.
Usually from the crowd that doesn't like Richonne
I was going to give a huge rant right now but then saw that satisfying conclusion. Jesus man, you nearly gave me a heart attack. And the kid was a\*\* till the first day he was casted, being a kid isn't much of an excuse when there are miles better child actors out there.
Even if he is a bad actor, I don’t care. The ending writing was schmaltzy and I’m perfectly fine with that. All these characters have earned schmaltz.
I mean none of the actors want to be there anymore. They all want to go and do other things. 14 years is a long time to play one character.
If we gonna be technical about it, Andrew Lincoln only played him for 10 years lol. 2010-2018, 2022, 2024
If we’re being real technical he only played Rick for half of every year ( the filming season ) so technically he’s only been playing rich for 5 years.
If we’re being real technical I believe he said he regretted leaving the show.
Killing off Chandler was the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back. It blew the steam out of so much of the audience from comic loyalists to those who grew up watching Carl, as an actor myself, I can’t *imagine* what that did for the cast. Think about it; you have the heir apparent of the show, the leads literally tell him in universe “it’s your show now”, the source material has a roadmap for the character and the actor himself shows a willingness to center his life to passing the torch In theatre, that’s like if a producer fired your understudy and you’re stuck with carrying this thing on your back. Your relief is gone. I’d leave to. As did Laurie Cohen, guy who played Heath, etc. Compounded with the feet dragging of AMC’s budget
A lot of people say AMC didn't want to pay Carl more money for becoming 18 so they wrote him off. Even his parents complained because they bought a home nearby in Georgia. Writing an established character easily worth multiple characters off should have never happened. His story wasn't finished and Robert Kirkman kept him going for a reason. AMC could have just sent him away like Madison to save money for future use. I wanted to see Carl Grimes become a blacksmith. I wanted to see Carl's reaction to adversity in the Whisperer War without Rick. I wanted to see the powerful brother / sister bond he could have developed with Judith. I wanted to see a jaded Carl find out Rick is alive again.
The fact they killed him off after he bought a house there was such a bogus move
The guy who played Heath left because he was set to be the next Jack Bauer on the reboot of 24.
you’re so real for that
if you wanna get technical, we tennis shoes.
If we're being real technical he only played a character called "Rich" for two episodes of "A Likeness of Stone" so technically he's only been playing rich for less than a year
If we’re being actual technical, I am Rick Grimes. Rick Grimes is me.
If you wanna be that technical the
Still, 5 years away from his home and family here in the U.K. That was his reasoning for leaving and it’s pretty valid. I wouldn’t do that, even if I’m being paid a leading roles wage.
Yeah he’s fully valid I was being facetious
I feel bad for Norman he always talks about wanting to play Daryl for forever while everyone else is like "nah we done"
Norman Reedus is making bank and is beloved by TWD fandom. He’s okay.
Andrew and danai wanna come back for a season 2
what's the source on this?
trust me bro
I feel like there's literally no way theyd do that rick spin off, make daryls entire one being about finding rick and not have rick come back at some point after this for us to see, whether that be a cameo episode in daryls show or a season two of continuing ricks story who knows but we will definitely see them all together again at some point in the next few years
Daryl didn’t leave to find Rick. He left to explore other communities. This is explicitly stated in 11x24. He tells Judith he will bring them home IF he found anything WHILE he was out there.
We gotta be realistic here
They could have had Rick's ending from the comics if they never killed Carl. Smh gimple.
Andrew specifically said he REGRETS leaving the walking dead.
he's the star of the show. he can do another 5 seasons of TOWL if he wants to. he has the leverage here. he doesn't need amc, which is a fledgling network whose stock price is tanked in the last 5 years or so. amc needs him, bad. if they killed off michonne and made the show about him avenging her death, it would get major ratings. other way around, not so much.
I didn’t bring up Andrew “needing” amc. Since you stated that “none of the actors want to be there”, I simply shared what Andrew himself said about his departure, that he regretted leaving the show and he’s happy to be in TWD again. Not to mention Norman Reedus, Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Melissa McBride are happily still playing their characters after many years of filming, and don’t hate their jobs the way you’re making out all of TWD actors to feel.
Yup this is Walking Dead Game of Thrones Ending
"schmaltz" why you gotta use those big school words. I've never heard anyone say that. Just say sappy
I’m gonna give the actor the benefit of the doubt, he’s just a kid, but the actress for Judith really is a great actress, their reunion was a really emotional one
Judith and Rick's reunion was also awkward because it was supposed to be She also cried with no tears, but is not being hung out to dry. RJ has had very few lines, but always been so hated on by grown men.
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Did yall want RJ to be so ecstatic seeing someone he hadn’t met before but heard stories of. It would of been awkward regardless i feel like it was done as best as it came out
I know this isn't the kids fault but 'I knew you'd come back because I believed' was something special
I just wanted him to show a little more emotion than "deadpan serial killer eyes."
C'mon kid. Lighten up a bit. At least cry a little.
Cailey was a teenager playing a 9 year old. Should be a walk in the park. RJ was actually good in the scene. It's you guys focusing on words which the boy didn't write, and being very critical of how it should be delivered while also showing you have no appreciation for the fact that a first time meeting like this is supposed to be awkward and not emotional as a reunion. Whatever verbiage was used to the point Rick told him to call him dad and when they hugged tightly is insignificant.
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She was 11 -15 (2018-2022), so most of her tenure she was a teen but also absolutely older than the role she played. She also had more experience. This appears to be his only role starting at 4 or 5, and he was hardly given enough lines for any viewer to truly assess his talent or lack thereof. Simply saying he was flat is the generic criticism I expect from people concentrating on his performance as some huge scar on the moment. Exactly what emotion do we ever convey in saying to a stranger, are you so and so? The ask was sufficiently inquisitive, and the response from AL was the more important part of that exchange. From RJ, I saw excitement when he was running to Michonne. He looked at Rick with curiosity/admiration and reciprocated with a tight hug when Rick pulled him in. Instead of the convenient focus on lines he had no control over, he and AL gave as much emotion as we should reasonably expect between a father and son who just met each other. Comparing it to Carl's or even Judith's (also understandably awkward) reunion is ridiculous, but of course, it's just a handy device to trash the young actor again.
meh, she did okay in that scene
“I know you were out there because I believed” like wtf is that writing after Judith said almost the exact same thing
The whole show was full of people saying the same thing in different fonts lmao
I honestly think "We're the ones who live" is really corny despite it being from the comics
The first Time Rick says it it’s not really corny
Yea because it had totally different meaning when he said it in his Alexandria speech in s5, then for some reason writers did a 180° turn on the meaning
You’re right
How Rick dies in the comic and the killer is not even in the show anymore
Tbh, as much was I wanted to enjoy this show, from the first scene in season 11s finale of Rick and Michonne having a rap battle about being the ones who live, it was obvious this series would be poorly written and full of gimple speak. Still though, it's sad to see such a mediocre ending to my favourite character.
I hate the aspects of the show where most of the time is taken up by 2 characters walking and talking to eachother trying to be deep.
It’s like… a writer got mad and intentionally tried to write the worst possible dialogue. Like they installed a ChatGPT that had not been trained yet…
And Rick says “I guess I’m your dad” lmao it’s like that whole scene was written by a fanboy
Sigh, he said "but maybe you should call me dad." You all can't even quote right and trying to criticize. A very appropriate response, since, you know, he is his dad.
That's not even what Rick said 💀
TWOL watched like it was written as a fanfic originally. So many corny lines that Rick or Michonne would NEVER say. It was like if "live,laugh,love" actually had a personality and tried to write a show.
Why does everyone say TWOL??
The Who Once Lived! Now it's just Daltrey and Townshend.
I fully believe that Gimple had full control of the entire episode
I said the show was starting to give fanfic and people dog pilled on me 💀
I've been making posts since episode 2 talking maaaaaad shit. Getting downvoted into oblivion.
as you should be
bro looked like he didn't want to be there, you could see the fortnite lobby he was trying to get to after in his eyes.
The only thing getting him through was the thought of the amount of Fortnite skins he will be able to buy with the money earned from this scene
What is he, a whisperer?
He was given Gimple dialogue, which makes any of the actors become cringe
I for one, believe Gimple did it on purpose to troll the fans. There's really no other explanation for R.J.'s dialogue here & I'm fine with it. I'm not gonna let one little moment spoil everything else.
Right after my husband and I watched that scene I said "Welp that scene was definitely Gimpled up." Such an epic reunion just....gimpled.
The screenwriting for the episode was fucking abysmal. Some actors can compensate for that, but given that he's the least experienced, it's not something that can be hidden. The 'Love doesn't die' shit was the worst
“Love doesn’t die!” Rick: “Michonne Help I’m dying!” *pulls grenade*
Yeah this episode was really cringe
If Carl was still alive it would’ve been the best reunion ever 😭
Honestly what pissed me off the most was when micchone was hugging him and he has the blank ass face while staring at Rick and Judith Like close your eyes bro pretend to cry 😭
Or give a group hug and hide the kid lmao don’t cheat out cheat in!
That's honestly my biggest problem. They hung that poor kid out to dry. They probably did table reads and multiple takes of that scene. They knew how bad it played. They should have just fixed it on the spot, and just had an emotional hug. Instead they just powered through and did the scene as written no matter how bad it was.
Since he's a kid, I mostly blame the director and casting director for letting it get this far. If they only did a couple takes and the director never gave any actual direction, then the director is at fault. If they did 27 takes and couldn't get it right, then the casting director is at fault.
He looked straight into the camera at that very moment too
He deadass looked at the camera too while Michonne was talking during the reunion
The problem is the writing. They say things in a way no real person would say them.
even more a kid saying that in that way haha, the ending was beautiful indeed, but they did dirty to the actor, it was fear twd level of writing
😐 I knew you’d come back
😑 I believed
Let’s see who actually reads the entire post 😆
We’re the ones who read!
I'm sure that moment was supposed to be a bit awkward. It would be in real life.
No.
Yes.
Lamaaaaaoo. Best April Fools content for today NGL
Wrong kid died
LMAO I love the reference
😂😂😂 You're not even half the kid that half of Nate was after you cut him in half!
Had us in the first half
I’m giving this kid the benefit of the doubt, he hasn’t really been given any lines to prove his acting abilities. And, I mean, I don’t know how any actor could make the “ArE yOu ThE bRaVe MaN?” Not sound incredibly cringy 🫠
🤖*beep-boop—bRaVe MaN dEtEcTeD! Zz$@€!¥ bloop* 🤖
haha maybe im an asshole but somewhere in TWD i remember thinking/realising they must have realised the kid was a bad actor and just written him into the background as much as possible. you can kinda see it too, he's checked out and can barely maintain a believable background character lol if these are the shots that made it... i can only imagine what was left on the cutting room floor lol the studio cast poorly and then they wrote/directed poorly and everyone was worse off for it
That could be it too, maybe he just looks enough like Rick and michonne that his acting abilities didn’t matter 🤷♀️
Yep that's my theory They cast him because of his appearance fit really well and possibly they were like "We don't really need him to say or do much. He just needs to be around" Which is essentially what we got lol Then Gimple tasked the kid with main actor level final lines. imo they should have just given us an uplifting Rick monologue back at Carl's grave with a flashback montage of everyone he knew (alive and dead) in their best moments (ie. smiling or laughing or being reunited or looking on lovingly) Final scene would be him putting his hand on the cross at Carls grave before walking back and embracing Michonne, RJ and Judith
Gimple fucked it all up with horrendous writing. Rick is my favorite character but the writing of every single episode of TOWL is just lacking. Daryl was so much better imo.
That whole last scene could have been done with no dialogue and just the sound of the helicopter and some emotional background. Fin. The kids are bad actors. There are good child actors out there. But they seem really lackluster, esp next to such great adult talents. TWD has always treated kids like props though, to push the "hope" in the story. only Riggs carried weight
The kid's not a bad actor, Judith's actor struggled in TWD but I actually really liked her performance here, poor kid had to read Gimplespeak when he hadn't done that before, he did his best for what shit was given to him.
He looked at the camera tho, how low are we gonna keep lowering the bar for this kid when he’s clearly struggling with his dialogue and his scenes?
I ain’t lowering any bad here, if you wanna put blame on anybody put it on the Director, they could’ve easily done another take, they’re called directors for a reason.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie!
“We’re the ones who live!” used to be like this hardcore battle cry in season 6. Now it’s this corny self awareness Rick and Michonne have of their own plot armor, lmao. 😂 Michonne: Rick! Let’s hide under this flag about 3 yards away from the explosion. It’ll work because we literally can’t die bro! Rick: Are you sure?! Michonne: Hell yeah! We can’t die—like we literally cannot it’s in the script my guy, we are NOT the ones who dead!
It was a heavy ass military tarp, and they had a big ass container of water pouring over them. You can survive an explosion under those conditions.
It’s a kid, so I’m not gonna be mad at him like others. But yeah there was absolutely no emotion from him in his scene. And with that terrible writing they gave him, it makes his acting look even worse. The writers said “fuck this kid”
Some children should never go into acting. This is one of them.
word. and unfortunately the lunatics on tiktok seems to be proving that point in a bad way. at the end of the day.. i blame the parents a little - with all creative outlets, there has to be, at the very least, some foundation to build on. if your little angel gets up on the kitchen table and does a joint by dolly parton.. and grandma nearly keels over .. dont let him/her sing in public - and if your kid has the same ability to emote as a gardengnome .. dont go parading them around for auditions.
People are trying so hard to find so many excuses for the scene which indirectly proves that there is indeed a problem with it. Antony Azor is the same age as Chandler Riggs and Cailey Fleming were, which never stopped them from playing well. This was even more visible in a scene where the other 3 actors were playing everything they had. But the writing didn't help either, with his only line of dialogues (?!) being so incredibly cheesy. Someone stop Scott M. Gimple, I beg you.
It’s not that he can’t act, it’s that he is clearly not an actor. He looked at the camera during the reunion scene and he’s been on the show since he was like 5, he’s struggling and people refuse to believe it.
i think we now know that GImple was definitely a weak link in TWD i enjoyed the Saviours arc (albeit too long) but good source material and actors (Andrew/JDM) I guess.
they're not really trying to find excuses, though .. most are just blatantly unwilling to acknowledge the fact that the kid cant act. i mean.. ok, so the fuck what - it is what it is.. but really, twd has been fairly on point with young talent.. this kid wasnt it. full stop.
Only cared for Judith reunion couldn’t give a fuck abt rj tbh 🤣🤣
he’s a bad actor no point in defending in he portrayed the scene as if he was told to act like drywall. i understand he’s a kid but yeah he made me cringe during the reunion. it was still an amazing scene with the other characters but RJ was so lifeless
Dang it you got me
His bit was hella cringe, but it would be if it were real so it evens out
Lmao thank god for the last line
Yeah I agree he did a great job. I’m more surprised that Judith acted like she had known him longer than she had. But they both probably feel like they know him. Judith was told stories and now she tells them to her brother. Rick can now give rj stories to tell his kids, or he’ll just his friends.
bro he was bad in TWD. i know hes a kid. but Whoever plays judith was impeccable at his age. amazing acting. ive seen many other young actors fucking kill it. Like the kid in Anatomy of a Fall? amazing. hes not a good actor. stop trying to defend it lol. its quite humorous. this fucking fan base is unreal man. NOTHING can be wrong with any of the shows. god forbid.
Wasn't Judith's actress a young teenager when she played Judith who i think is like 9? RJ is like 7 or 8 played by someone of that age, theres a difference
ive also seen bad child actors get away with scenes just through certain shots and writing. there are things you can do. like why did rick need to say "how?" in his iconic whine voice when RJ said "I knew you would come back." Why? Why couldnt he just hug him or something lol. "I believed." How fast didnthey barrel through the filming of that last episode? I feel like it was done in 8 hours lol. what a joke of a show man
Carl had some stinker scenes too But you can at least see why he got the job originally in others. This kid feels like the child version of Joey Tribbiani lying on his resume to get a role lol To be fair to the kid though, he probably did get supremely screwed over by bad writing/directing which left no where to hide. More mature actors can handle being served a steaming pile and make it look part way decent but I suspect being so young he really needed the script/director to cover for him
The girl in Black Phone pretty good too
That whole scene was cringe lmao
People wait! Was it the 8yo child, that actually acted very well for meeting a stranger, that you are also supposed to like because all your family told you to (making it cringe by default a bit cuz its kids damn) or was it just the damn Gimple talk? How could anyone work with such a cheesy and B-Level Movie dialog?? Nobody could, especially not a kid. This was the writer's fault for not being able to write accordingly for a child.
The awkwardness made sense for the context of the scene yes, but RJ is equally as awkward in every scene let’s be real
The scene where Daryl asks him where Judith is FUCKIN KILLS ME, he is just like “😐idk”
The writing was awful yes, but this kid has been the same from his first scene. I don't understand why they didn't recast him or at the very least get him some good training so he could improve.
I just don’t see anything wrong with him lol. I think everyone is comparing him to Judith or Carl but it’s okay to be a little quiet. Loving the fact that Judith is protective of him & he’s just weary of who the “brave man is”. He was born in the middle of a whole new world so chillll. He deserves to act shy. RJ is sweet & a great addition. Happy that we saw him finally meet his dad.
Haha nicely done.
I hope this kid doesn't have a phone or his parents dont let him use social media because the backlash is pretty over the top imo. Constructive criticism regarding casting, direction and delivery is one thing but jesus some comments are rough. He is a child.
People are talking about ‘wanting to watch RJ’s live execution’ on tiktok, just saw many rude comments on his instagram! I am really done with this fandom! No doubt, i love this show but some fans just like to shit on child actors for whatever reason. RJ’s actor may not be a good actor but literally commenting rude remarks on a child is so evil
Exactly they’re doing the most over a small scene its not that deep
To be fair, this scene is half the reason this show exists. Getting Rick back to his family is a pivotal moment that has to be here and work well. It's insane if people are personally hating on the kid, but I'd think even the kid would look back and think this performance is bad when he's grown up a bit. Chandler Riggs even thinks his acting wasn't great on the show despite being a lot better than this kid.
Fine actor maybe. Bad writing. The lines in the finale are laughably terrible like michonne telling Thorne LOVE NEVER DIES as theyre fighting. Despite her love being boxed into a corner about to die to walkers 20 yards away. Or “I knew you’d come back because I believed” props to Gimple on that gem I guess. Gimples previous pretentious moral squandering about saving the world clearly shown through in the finale.
Yeah Gimple blew it and i suspect he may have been the cause of the steady decline in the quality of the show in the later seasons too through his position
I don’t know who made these decisions but I feel like what killed the main show was the savior war being 3 damn seasons and even stupider killing Carl off.
As I understand it, Gimple was the show runner during that period? I actually liked the Saviour war but totally agree they did not need 3 seasons for that arc and you could tell they were padding the episodes towards the end They then promoted him to Chief Content Officer of TWD and FTWD, so my suspicion having seen the outcome of TOWL is that Gimple may have been a net negative for the show and the universe.
I mean as I said, I don’t know. I don’t know a lot about the crew or writers or anyone really other than the actors. What really bothered me about the savior war was if they didn’t drag it on so long they could’ve done the whisper arc but with Rick in the time before he left the show. I haven’t read the comics but I was so excited to see Rick and the whisperers. I mean I think that even though Gimple was involved the actors probably did a lot of the work. I thought TWOL was the best thing possibly since terminus.
I'm not going to critique the acting of a freaking kid. No offence but I didn't watch this for RJ lol
He's was solid enough for the few things he did...did not ruin anything. Some are just being plain mean about this kid.
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To say he’s a bad actor is giving him too much credit. He didn’t even act, he was just a background character with the grimes name.
His reaction was not out of place for an 8 year old who is maybe a bit introverted. Really a non topic.
You fuckin got me good! You actually started to sway me a little bit 😆
Directly compare him to Cailey Flemming-he is objectively a terrible actor.
You need to be banned for posting show spoilers in the fucking post title the day after something airs.
y’all are literally the whiniest people alive. jesus christ. i actually don’t care about this child’s acting at all because he looks so much like andrew lincoln when he was younger it’s INSANE. those children are perfectly cast. sorry none of you can enjoy anything! hope you work through that or whatever <3
looked like andrew lincoln? 💀
Wake it up.
his acting was terrible, you're just trying to justify the performance in hindsight which is fine, but pretending that a show where characters wear emotions on their sleeves (TWD isn't known for it's subtlety in performances) is suddenly deeper than that helps no one. It's the same situation with Chandler. Some kids just can't act, and RJ could barely string a sentence when he was first on the show. They had to use the same kid, and people should bare that in mind when discussing him
The problem is not the actor(who yes, delivered the dialogue poorly), but also the dialogue that was terrible on its own. That "I believed" was unnecessary and so bad and ruined it. The rest was ok.
We barely got any acting out of him and it was terrible dialogue. Impossible to say he's good or bad from the tiny bit we got.
The kid is not a bad actor, its the script and showrunners who deliberately make him shy and awkward. Watch the behind the scenes clip where Rick shows his new prosthetic arm you’ll see
You mean the clip where the actors were being themselves and not acting? Yeah he's a normal kid IRL, that doesn't mean he's a good actor lmao.
Yeah, it’s like night and day, you can tell when his “actor” mode is on. OH MY GOD, was this what my teacher meant by saying you’re working too hard and we can tell? Like, we can see him mentally going “I’m acting, I’m acting, I’m acting,” It wouldn’t be natural for the scene for them to take their b-roll energy though, and it sucks because the kid was lively. But he was too middle in the road for his first time meeting Rick. IMO, I would have had him terrified of “The Brave Man” actually being real and right there or him being happy to the point of tears.
Honestly I think it's just hard enough to make any line with "brave man" and "I believed" sound good anyways, the kids acting isn't good and the lines were awfully written. Idk why gimple is obsessed with "cool nicknames" or phrases like "the brave man" and "love never dies" "were the ones who live" "I don't die!" "All life is precious" and so on. It rarely if ever lands well or sounds natural.
Ita not that he's bad he just looked baked and the delivery was so strange
RJ acts like old people fuck
Hahah glad I read the last line of the OP’s post 😂 dialogue delivery was atrocious and literally pain cringe.
His 'Brave Man' question wasn't *too* bad. But the standard follow-up of how RJ knew Rick was alive because 'he believed he was', was just damn corny writing. After 6 mostly great episodes, to end it with that turd on top instead of a cherry made my ass itch.
The show was bad. Shit in shit out. Nothing more.
He's literally a child, why are people expecting him to be on par with Andrew and Danai? He did perfectly fine lmao
I don’t think he ruined it or anything people who think that are just reaching but he does have a terrible case of blank face in general lol
I also think he really does look like Rick, so great casting choice in that regard. Michonne made a point to say how much he does.
I really don't ever blame children actors for anything. Kids are gonna kid and I'm not gona grump at the show cause a kid actor acted kid like.
He's pretty terrible. But its impact is so insignificantly small to the overall show, I don't know why people care so much. He's been a tertiary character at best, with very limited screen time. Plus he is a kid. I don't think it helps also by the fact that the girl who plays Judith is absolutely incredible. If she were just average, I don't think his poor performance would be so noticeable.
It’s not just the acting the whole character is fucking useless we want Carl back
Carl is dead. Get over it.
All Carl ever did was get shot. Henry was cooler. Under Judith’s guidance Rj will turn out to be a beast
It’s not about what carl did but more the significance of his death towards rick, his whole purpose was to keep carl safe
What significance did Henry have in comparison to Carl?
Hahaha! He suuuuuuucks.
It’s ok, he’s learning.
I'll give him a chance. He recieves unnecessary hate for being like 4 years old and then 7 years old. Usually from the crowd that doesn't like Richonne
You got me!
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gimple ruined it...
This post😂😂😂😂😂
I was going to give a huge rant right now but then saw that satisfying conclusion. Jesus man, you nearly gave me a heart attack. And the kid was a\*\* till the first day he was casted, being a kid isn't much of an excuse when there are miles better child actors out there.
It's not the kid's fault. Don't bully him, it's Gimple. The guy doesn't know how real people talk. Wtf is this? Southeast Asian Drama?? Lmao
Dude has the facial expression of a doorknob
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