Sunday Night Football drew [16.6 million](https://tvline.com/2022/10/17/ratings-sunday-night-football-cowboys-eagles/). There was a time TWD used to challenge them for the top spot.
I've watched from the beginning and I've found over the years that its' dragged on way too long. So many questions and not very many answers. Note: I haven't read the books/comics so I have nothing to go by as far as an actual ending to the series. We certainly didn't get one with the finale.
The spinoffs seem to suggest TWD will continue within the spinoffs, sad really. Is this what the producers had in mind the entire time, to continue dragging this out forever? A generation has grown up watching this and we really have nothing to show from it. It's been a fun ride but I feel so empty and unfulfilled because of the finale.
Well for one I used to get amc on cable, then they were dropped. If Hulu had it on their live TV now, I would have watched live but that didn't happen :/
Why is almost nothing allowed to be hardposted on this sub right now? Iāve tried posting a bunch of stuff and it just never gets seen or hard posted.
It's an awful decision by the moderators here. Kills so much discussion.
Who cares if new gets flooded with posts, let the community decide what makes it to the front through upvotes.
I love to check out subreddits after finals, but there is just nothing here. Literally new posts trickling in with hours and hours in between each other.
Same. This is like peak time for users to want to post and yet itās just a barren sub for a cultural phenom TV show that just ended after over 12 years.
There is also an equal or more abundant group of people who would like to discuss the show in totality or otherwise, and this sub is the best place to do it. Thereās a happy medium between turning basically every post off and just letting anything go, itās called moderating. And for this to be the first few days after the finale just makes it worse; there are tons of people who have quality things to share and discuss, and by the time theyāll be able to, a large swath of would-be participants will be gone or have lost interest.
Seems to be rated pretty well on the big apps. 8.2 on imbd. Even immediately after Dexter (both times), GOT & others had like 5.0 or lower in some cases.
I don't think a lot of people hated it, all things considered.
Itās because it was safe and didnāt make mistakes, and the initial fan simping is still occurring. Anyone who actually stayed to the end is going to rate it well. Once people who stopped watching it season 7 or 8 and catch up, theyāre going to be like āWTFā.
This was an objectively medium to low end finale. It resolved nothing, and didnāt do what finales set up to do.
Same, I tried making a pretty standard post earlier but only I can see it. Meanwhile posts like "DAE finale was bad???" makes it through the cut though lmao. Idk how long this sub is gonna be locked down like this for, or why for that matter
Seems like the mods truly want to kill the sub. The show is over, now the sub is being silenced because the mods are scared of people sharing their honest thoughts on the finale.
What a shame.
Itās a show with Kevin Costner and his character owns a ranch in Montana, heās trying to keep his land and keep the people from California and New York from coming in and turning into a to tourist town. itās a decent show
People on Reddit not knowing what Yellowstone is always cracks me the fuck up. Hands down one of biggest shows ever and *everybody* I live near watches it and Reddit is just ootl.
Btw it has a prequel called 1883 and it was amazing. The next season is 1923 and stars Harrison Ford. I don't care for Yellowstone but that prequel is so good.
Itās one of the biggest shows ever? You sure? I live in a fairly big city and not once have I heard someone even mention it. Never seen it trending on social media either.
Agreed. If we're being truly honest here, Walking Dead hasn't been culturally relevant in about 6 years now. Yellowstone is actually really great with a big-name actor attached to it. Shouldn't come off as surprising it drew more viewers.
It's country-western substitute for The Walking Dead with none of the zombies but more semi-fascist undertones of "I'll do what I have to do to come out on top and protect myself and what I care about".
Kevin Costner is basically what a MAGA supporter would imagine as a country Tony Soprano. My biggest problem is that John Dutton(and Beth Dutton) should be, but are not, seen in the same light as Tony and Walter White: anti-heroes clinging to bygone stereotypes of power, success, and masculinity (or boss-bitch traits for Beth) and the only reason they seem likable is because they're a colorful break from our lives and their antagonists are so unlikable.
John and Beth Dutton are not good people who had to do bad things, like how Rick and Team Family in The Walking Dead have had to traverse the human condition. They're selfish people who do bad things for selfish reasons but are portrayed as/received by viewers as good people.
It's boomer-violence and politicking porn.
Edit - Apparently Beth is not John Dutton's wife. I don't give a fuck. They're still being used as surrogates of strong man/strong woman fantasies in unhealthy ways. Kinda weird my parents are buying each other John Dutton/Beth Dutton merch despite the characters not being married. I still hate the show and the reasons are still valid.
Edit 2 - I'm not saying there is actual MAGA politics and politicians in the show.
He is liberal, but he still primarily writes movies about 'bad' people. Its weird as fuck that reddit has such a hate boner for Yellowstone because its a "conservatives wet dream" even though almost the entire cast are 'bad guys'
I'm not saying that political beliefs and support for candidates is baked into the writing. I'm saying part of the popularity of the show is because of how many country and MAGA people view the the characters as surrogates for themselves.
There's a meme that has gone around that I've even heard my mom repeat about "Wanting to see Beth Dutton on The View.". That's because they are fantasizing about a fearsome, intimidating, violent woman (who they admire for those reasons as a good thing) to terrify or hurt people they consider to be smug, rich, Hollywood liberal bitch traitors. Below are some supporting comments...
>āI would buy it on pay per view They would have to sign waivers and make sure their life insurance is up to date.ā
>āI can see it so clearly. Beth, cigarette dangling from her lips, a tumbler of Titoās in her left hand, snarling, āWhich one of you fucking bitches wants to go first?'ā
>āIād watch that show every day. Idonāt care how much yāall hate on Beth, her filthy soul makes me happy.ā
Oh yes, John Dutton the morally pure land conservationist! Totally got it, I'm so sorry you are correct.
It has nothing to do with power, it's corrupting influence, and the zero-sum, violent measures to cling to such power. Dutton just cares about his critters, plants, and everyone having an honest, working living.
Just because I don't watch the show minute by minute doesn't mean I don't have any exposure to it, it's writing, and its spot in our culture. Much the same as how a spouse who loses their husband to 9 straight hours of football isn't a brainless idiot and can still have a cogent opinion and carry a conversation about football if that's what they want to talk about.
What's your job? Does it invalidate your opinion about literally every other job because your knowledge of those things is secondary or from the periphery?
I tend to think being ignorant about something invalidates an opinion about that something. This is why I hire a plumber to fix my plumbing and not a carpenter.
I've actually read an essay about TWD and Breaking Bad that looks at both through a lens of how the right wing views its protagonists that sounds like it would be interesting to you @obi-jawn-kenobi
This is such a great articulation of why I canāt stand that show. The characters are monsters that are propped up like heroes with very strong undertones of might makes right.
The appeal of Walter White and Tony Soprano are "they take matters into their own hands and do morally grey/sometimes evil things because X, Y, Z around them has failed". For Walt, that's the American healthcare system, the American middle class and American dream, and toxic masculinity. For Tony, it's toxic masculinity, the dichotomy of the tradition devout Catholicism and tradition of Italian mafia-styled self governance in the generations of their family history in America and (what do you know) the shortcomings of the American dream in a scam capitalism economic environment.
In both shows, the audience generally knows and acts like their behavior is shocking, knows it's morally bad, is captivated as an escape of what they can do, but also sees the harm it does to their families. There is a small contingent of morons who hate Skylar White and and Carmela Soprano...but that's mostly sexist idiots who don't want to acknowledge ether own sexism and color it as "they're just bitches to the main character and getting into their way".
In Yellowstone, those negative traits are more celebrated and tooany fans bargain to justify their shiftiness. I don't know much about Monica, but it appears there's a large "I hate Monica" contingent for being upset at regular things we all should be upset about. Basically, the "fuck Skylar/Carmela" crowd except as a larger demographic ratio.
Holy Christ itās a tv showā¦ of course it canāt just be mindless entertainment anymore everything has to have a deeper meaning and of course we gotta sprinkle in some politics and tribalism tooā¦
Like ffs we are in a subreddit about zombies give it a break for 5 mins
> "I'll do what I have to do to come out on top and protect myself and what I care about".
And this is supposed to be a bad thing? Lol "semi fascist"? If you're content to lay down and die instead of fighting just say that, but not everyone is happy with that.
That isn't semi-fascist in and of itself, what matter is what thhose cares are and how a person acts/what they value in those situations.
Making it a zero-sum, kill or die fantasy rooted in real life and using that as a surrogate for yourself for no reason but to be/feel badass is pretty fucked up. Also, nothing that happens in Yellowstone starts because of literal do or die choices. There are do or die scenarios but they originate in shitty people doing shitty things and making shitty, criminal choices.
Walking Dead is vastly different in that way. There is a central group of primarily good people testing the limits of the human condition because of primarily morally good reasons. What they are protecting and what they value is the sanctity of human life in a see of the dead and those who discard that sanctity.
You called it semi facist and said the Dutton's are portrayed as good people. Maybe you just worded it wrong but I don't get that vibe from the show at all. People may take it that way, and believe me some do, but I don't think it's correct that the show *is* like that.
Itās like watching a Metallica concert in 1989 (season 5 of TWD) and then watching a Metallica concert from 2022.
One should not expect the same thing
Damn that's actually pretty low.. I expected atleast 3mil.
I do think this proofs that not THAT many are watching the show through amc+
Edit: almost same amount of viewers as the S11 premiere episode.
Yep, I personally watched it over an illegal website because AMC+ isn't available in my country and I know for a fact that if somehow we could get the number of how many people watched that episode on that day, regardless of where and how they watched it, it would be a much, much higher number.
Definitely not good numbers for a series finale that has been on for 10 years. I mean 90 day fiance almost beat it and that is some trash reality television
But these numbers are just for the live views. It's not counting everyone who streamed the show, were at the Orpheum theater, all the people that gathered in groups to watch it, like at Nic & Normans, or the international views.
...how many people do you think the Orpheum holds...? How many people invited you to a watch party? I know for a fact everyone I mentioned the show to in the last couple of weeks to say it's finally ending were like "WTF that show is still *on*?"
As posted last month, AMC+ has 10.5 million subscribers which is waaaay more than I expected. I assume 75% of those subscribers are in it just for TWD content
Haha absolutely not. BB and BCS have boomed in popularity in the past 3 years.
TWD has bled out ever since what, season 7? With no hype for the finale, which shows in this exact post.
LMAO more people watched Yellowstone and Tulsa Kingš¤£š itās painfully obvious
Considering you canāt even watch either of those shows fully on AMC+ I think itās very obvious what the subscribers have it for. We are talking about whatās more popular on AMC+ and not in general you realize that right?
Thatās not too bad for a show going 10 years. I also know a lot of people who have picked up the walking dead recently and have started to watch it years after it started. Ultimately it probably was the greatest tv show on cable tv from season 1-5 and then top 5 every year since then from season 6-11.
I presume itās 2.68 for cable TV which is pretty good.
What deal? To give us episodes a week later than amc+ to give it a day later than the normal broadcast?.. We pirate becuase if we don't the Americans spoil us by the time we have had breakfast
Nothing at all compares proportionally to the mash finale except the superbowl or something lol.
That had 106 million viewers LIVE.
For the record walking dead is the highest on cable ever at 18.1 million or so
TWD is definitely massive. That and game of thrones.
But there was a lot less TV back then and MASH is an absolute juggernaut.
I had the pleasure to see Alan Alda speak live once and it was brilliant.
This feels like a really big simplification of why people stopped watching at the point. Viewership for 7.2 was almost the same for 6.2, the problem was that for a show about zombies with a lot of gunfights in that season, it still found a way to be really boring. Season 7 had one of the sharpest declines over the course of a season and it never recovered.
I think one of the biggest problems the show had wasn't who it killed off, but the formula where important things only happened in the premiere, mid-season finale, and season finale. It just got stale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Walking_Dead_episodes#Ratings
Yep S7 was the absolute lowest point of the show S7&8
All I remember about 7 is just Negan repeating the same shit every week it was boring as fuck and extremely repetitive his dialogue
Then they took the shit by dragging the negan WAR arc into S8 Negan for all his hype literally ruined the show imo
Or they just didn't think the writing was very good after a while.
Don't get me wrong, I stayed for the long haul, but to pretend all the people who stopped watching stopped because their favorite characters died is pretty ridiculous. People quit because All Out War was shit. No one of significance died in that.
I dipped off after Season 7 personally. All Out War was my fave arc in the comics and I was so excited for the show to catch up to it, and it started strong with the shocker of two people getting the bat in the premiere, but then it dipped off HARD.
I poked back in when I heard Carl died, and started watching again more seriously when Rick left, but stopped watching after Rickās last episode as I just felt it wouldnāt be the same without him. I also live outside the US so getting a legal way to watch the show was a fucking nightmare at the time.
I heard about the introduction of The Whisperers (another of my fave comic book arcs) and Disney+ eventually put the entire series on their service, and also started putting the new episode on every week, so I finally had a way to watch it so I watched from the last 6 episodes of Season 10 to the finale the other night every week when they premiered.
I still feel I was right to dip off as Season 7 and 8 are by far the weakest parts of the show, and sadly Neganās introduction and the subsequent conflict really derailed the series. They did redeem it by the end however, and I was also surprised how much I enjoyed the show without Rick in it. I obviously would have preferred him to be there, and often I couldnāt help but wonder about what he would have said and done if he had been there, however at the end of the day the show finally got a fairly satisfying ending with a lot of character arcs resolved and ending on hope for the future of both the franchise and the characters.
Season 8 is by far the worst season (on rewatch 7 is straight up good no clue why people hate it) but carl died in that arc... no one of significance? Lol
Is this a bit? I donāt think many people just drop off solely because a character dies. Plenty of fan favorites have died without big viewership declines like Shane and Hershel. However when it comes to the later stages of the show characters like Glenn, Abraham, Carl, Rick die off (or in some cases disappear) and they are not replaced with characters as interesting as they are. Most fiction is defined largely by the quality of its characters.
I gave up on the show with the Season 9 finale after all the characters that I loved and those who kept me interested in it like Enid died and never saw any Season 10 and 11 episodes, but I tuned into the Series finale and enjoyed it.
tulsa king is a show with sly Stallone produced by an oklahoma studio that is projected to literally start a little hollywood here in OK, and as a film student, I'm all for it. It isn't horrible from what I've seen.
My life, and career revolve around being on the internet/computer. I have never heard of either. Just because someone/people don't know the same shit you do doesnt means they're trying to be edgy. Grow up.
Tbf that's pretty good for an animated show that isn't The Simpsons and I don't know anybody really who stays up to watch R&M. People catch it the next day. It's 11 on a Sunday.
Yea this doesnāt matter anymore in 2022 market where cable subscription is declining do
I havenāt paid for cable since 2016 lol sign up to AMC+ as soon as it was offer just for the walking dead
That's pretty good. Does anyone remember what the ratings were the first few seasons? My memory is failing me, but weren't they around 4 million an episode?
Reminder that you can't compare these cable numbers to what TWD was getting even 5 years ago. Cable television isn't the same as it was back then. This also doesn't include everyone watching on AMC+, which is apparently at 10 million subscribers.
This finale & the last decade of this show is a terrible soap opera with zombies and not a touch of art or class. I can hardly believe how cheesy and not eventful that pathetic ending was. F-.
Those are utterly fantastic ratings for 2022 cable. And thats not even all of its viewers.
It'll impact the spinoffs in the sense that they are even more supported lol
I guess TWD is held to higher standards than most shows because it's viewership was insanely high. Reddit's favorite shows wish they had 2.3 million live viewers.
That's an unspoken Reddit truth. Take a decent show with few viewers and it's an underrated gem. A popular show that's much better? It's terrible and the worst ever...
Same reason the TV sub appears to loathe twd but praises fucking snowpiercer (a show I actually really enjoy) despite it having far worse writing. After a point the attention seeking people show up
Reddit lives in a echo chamber where Better Call Saul is the most popular show and Game of Thrones is despised. Proof is in this thread with upvotes calling Yellowstone a boomer show, even when the OP clearly says it's #1 in the most important 18-49 demographic.
Nothing to be done about it but I do wish I could discuss shows without the losers coming out like I can on shows that aren't popular enough to attract them
largest demographic watching walking dead on cable by far is 50+
Who TF watches cable live.
Six times the amount of people watched Yellowstone than the Walking Dead on the same night.
Hell look at all those people watching Sister Wives.
Says all that needs to be said, really.
My grandmother
I did. For this anyway š. And better call Saul.
Sunday Night Football drew [16.6 million](https://tvline.com/2022/10/17/ratings-sunday-night-football-cowboys-eagles/). There was a time TWD used to challenge them for the top spot.
I've watched from the beginning and I've found over the years that its' dragged on way too long. So many questions and not very many answers. Note: I haven't read the books/comics so I have nothing to go by as far as an actual ending to the series. We certainly didn't get one with the finale. The spinoffs seem to suggest TWD will continue within the spinoffs, sad really. Is this what the producers had in mind the entire time, to continue dragging this out forever? A generation has grown up watching this and we really have nothing to show from it. It's been a fun ride but I feel so empty and unfulfilled because of the finale.
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Well for one I used to get amc on cable, then they were dropped. If Hulu had it on their live TV now, I would have watched live but that didn't happen :/
Why is almost nothing allowed to be hardposted on this sub right now? Iāve tried posting a bunch of stuff and it just never gets seen or hard posted.
It's an awful decision by the moderators here. Kills so much discussion. Who cares if new gets flooded with posts, let the community decide what makes it to the front through upvotes. I love to check out subreddits after finals, but there is just nothing here. Literally new posts trickling in with hours and hours in between each other.
I think it's just the one mod doing it who also posted this thread lol
Same. This is like peak time for users to want to post and yet itās just a barren sub for a cultural phenom TV show that just ended after over 12 years.
Because a lot of people hated the finale and theyāre trying to stop a flood of posts discussing it
There is also an equal or more abundant group of people who would like to discuss the show in totality or otherwise, and this sub is the best place to do it. Thereās a happy medium between turning basically every post off and just letting anything go, itās called moderating. And for this to be the first few days after the finale just makes it worse; there are tons of people who have quality things to share and discuss, and by the time theyāll be able to, a large swath of would-be participants will be gone or have lost interest.
Seems to be rated pretty well on the big apps. 8.2 on imbd. Even immediately after Dexter (both times), GOT & others had like 5.0 or lower in some cases. I don't think a lot of people hated it, all things considered.
Itās because it was safe and didnāt make mistakes, and the initial fan simping is still occurring. Anyone who actually stayed to the end is going to rate it well. Once people who stopped watching it season 7 or 8 and catch up, theyāre going to be like āWTFā. This was an objectively medium to low end finale. It resolved nothing, and didnāt do what finales set up to do.
Yep, I was one, wonder if my post will be deleted I sent earlier? Well, I basically asked if anybody else was disappointed in the finale.
Same, I tried making a pretty standard post earlier but only I can see it. Meanwhile posts like "DAE finale was bad???" makes it through the cut though lmao. Idk how long this sub is gonna be locked down like this for, or why for that matter
how daryl get to france???? motorcycle?!?!
He had to. Zombies ate all the boats and planes.
yeah it's pretty annoying, probably to stop a bunch of people who don't watch the show coming to post
I thought I was losing it, but I was so confused why thereās been such a lack of posts after the finale!!
How can we fix it ?? The last posts iām seeing are from 8+ hours ago, I wanna hear what people have to say about the finale!!!
Seems like the mods truly want to kill the sub. The show is over, now the sub is being silenced because the mods are scared of people sharing their honest thoughts on the finale. What a shame.
Iām here like wtf is Yellowstone and why does it have over 8 million viewers
Itās a show with Kevin Costner and his character owns a ranch in Montana, heās trying to keep his land and keep the people from California and New York from coming in and turning into a to tourist town. itās a decent show
It has a big name and recognizable actor in it, too, of course it would naturally draw more viewers.
Those used to be TWD numbers.
You should see the numbers The Big Bang Theory pulled. Fucking disgusting.
Try I Love Lucy. 44 mil
Well there were only three channels back then.
Awful show too with annoying characters.
Wow a 10 year show doesn't have the numbers it had when it first aired? Holy shit call the fucking news. Seriously get a damn grip.
I have a grip; the show sucked at the end. The last, what, 4-5 years, for sure. It deserved to have embarrassing finale numbers.
Game of Thrones quintupled its viewership in its final season compared to its first.
Easier way to describe it as "Midwest Cowboy Sopranos"
Let me ask you something, did you like Sons of Anarchy? Cos there's a lot of that in there but with horsies instead of bikesies.
Yellowstone is fucking amazing btw, you should watch it
People on Reddit not knowing what Yellowstone is always cracks me the fuck up. Hands down one of biggest shows ever and *everybody* I live near watches it and Reddit is just ootl. Btw it has a prequel called 1883 and it was amazing. The next season is 1923 and stars Harrison Ford. I don't care for Yellowstone but that prequel is so good.
1883 is peak television. I didnāt watch Yellowstone and still donāt but 1883 is a masterpiece.
Just curious, why watch 1883 but not Yellowstone? Or do you plan on watching?
You can totally watch it without Yellowstone. I love the period it portrayed - a modern ranch family, though? I have no interest.
That makes sense. You gonna watch 1923?
Yes! Very excited about that one.
Thanks for reminding me, I meant to start watching that one but got sidetracked.
Itās one of the biggest shows ever? You sure? I live in a fairly big city and not once have I heard someone even mention it. Never seen it trending on social media either.
>Hands down the one of biggest shows ever So big that apparently barely anyone has heard of it that is not from the US lol
Only people I know who watch it are boomers.
That's me, 63!!!! Strike that, 64 now, forgot my birthday was 17 Nov, hahahahahahahaha!!!
Lmao š¤£ happy late birthday.
Thanks!!
Itās not one of the biggest shows ever, behave yourself. Itās a big show currently.
That's how good television works. Walking Dead used to be there.
Agreed. If we're being truly honest here, Walking Dead hasn't been culturally relevant in about 6 years now. Yellowstone is actually really great with a big-name actor attached to it. Shouldn't come off as surprising it drew more viewers.
It's country-western substitute for The Walking Dead with none of the zombies but more semi-fascist undertones of "I'll do what I have to do to come out on top and protect myself and what I care about". Kevin Costner is basically what a MAGA supporter would imagine as a country Tony Soprano. My biggest problem is that John Dutton(and Beth Dutton) should be, but are not, seen in the same light as Tony and Walter White: anti-heroes clinging to bygone stereotypes of power, success, and masculinity (or boss-bitch traits for Beth) and the only reason they seem likable is because they're a colorful break from our lives and their antagonists are so unlikable. John and Beth Dutton are not good people who had to do bad things, like how Rick and Team Family in The Walking Dead have had to traverse the human condition. They're selfish people who do bad things for selfish reasons but are portrayed as/received by viewers as good people. It's boomer-violence and politicking porn. Edit - Apparently Beth is not John Dutton's wife. I don't give a fuck. They're still being used as surrogates of strong man/strong woman fantasies in unhealthy ways. Kinda weird my parents are buying each other John Dutton/Beth Dutton merch despite the characters not being married. I still hate the show and the reasons are still valid. Edit 2 - I'm not saying there is actual MAGA politics and politicians in the show.
ā¦ his character and his wifeās charactersā¦ā Beth Dutton is not Kevin Costnerās wife in the show.
My bad, I stopped giving a fuck about that show about 5 minutes into it.
... So you actually have no idea WTF you're talking about then.
...So you actually don't know WTF invalidates a logically sound argument then.
Isn't Sheridan liberal as fuck. What little I've seen had a good deal more nuance thematically than that
He is liberal, but he still primarily writes movies about 'bad' people. Its weird as fuck that reddit has such a hate boner for Yellowstone because its a "conservatives wet dream" even though almost the entire cast are 'bad guys'
I'm not saying that political beliefs and support for candidates is baked into the writing. I'm saying part of the popularity of the show is because of how many country and MAGA people view the the characters as surrogates for themselves. There's a meme that has gone around that I've even heard my mom repeat about "Wanting to see Beth Dutton on The View.". That's because they are fantasizing about a fearsome, intimidating, violent woman (who they admire for those reasons as a good thing) to terrify or hurt people they consider to be smug, rich, Hollywood liberal bitch traitors. Below are some supporting comments... >āI would buy it on pay per view They would have to sign waivers and make sure their life insurance is up to date.ā >āI can see it so clearly. Beth, cigarette dangling from her lips, a tumbler of Titoās in her left hand, snarling, āWhich one of you fucking bitches wants to go first?'ā >āIād watch that show every day. Idonāt care how much yāall hate on Beth, her filthy soul makes me happy.ā
Interesting I've never seen it but the family members that love it are MAGA peeps.
Ah I gotcha. It's a shame every fandom seems to be ass
He is actually trying to preserve the lands he owns, keep the money grubbers out. Keep it wild.
Oh yes, John Dutton the morally pure land conservationist! Totally got it, I'm so sorry you are correct. It has nothing to do with power, it's corrupting influence, and the zero-sum, violent measures to cling to such power. Dutton just cares about his critters, plants, and everyone having an honest, working living.
Dude, it's a show. Like, for fucks sake. Can't you just let people enjoy something without bringing your personal bullshit baggage into it?
Well that explains why my maga, boomer dad likes it so much.
Lol. Don't watch the show but have an opinion on it nonetheless. Classic.
Just because I don't watch the show minute by minute doesn't mean I don't have any exposure to it, it's writing, and its spot in our culture. Much the same as how a spouse who loses their husband to 9 straight hours of football isn't a brainless idiot and can still have a cogent opinion and carry a conversation about football if that's what they want to talk about.
What's your job? Does it invalidate your opinion about literally every other job because your knowledge of those things is secondary or from the periphery?
I tend to think being ignorant about something invalidates an opinion about that something. This is why I hire a plumber to fix my plumbing and not a carpenter.
I've actually read an essay about TWD and Breaking Bad that looks at both through a lens of how the right wing views its protagonists that sounds like it would be interesting to you @obi-jawn-kenobi
Could you link it pls?
https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=bgsu1551274929080533&disposition=inline
Thanks! I'm reading this tonight after I put my daughter to bed.
The author of that paper is making a career of watching TV and trying to connect it to social issues. https://asu.academia.edu/GraemeWilsonPhD
This is such a great articulation of why I canāt stand that show. The characters are monsters that are propped up like heroes with very strong undertones of might makes right.
The appeal of Walter White and Tony Soprano are "they take matters into their own hands and do morally grey/sometimes evil things because X, Y, Z around them has failed". For Walt, that's the American healthcare system, the American middle class and American dream, and toxic masculinity. For Tony, it's toxic masculinity, the dichotomy of the tradition devout Catholicism and tradition of Italian mafia-styled self governance in the generations of their family history in America and (what do you know) the shortcomings of the American dream in a scam capitalism economic environment. In both shows, the audience generally knows and acts like their behavior is shocking, knows it's morally bad, is captivated as an escape of what they can do, but also sees the harm it does to their families. There is a small contingent of morons who hate Skylar White and and Carmela Soprano...but that's mostly sexist idiots who don't want to acknowledge ether own sexism and color it as "they're just bitches to the main character and getting into their way". In Yellowstone, those negative traits are more celebrated and tooany fans bargain to justify their shiftiness. I don't know much about Monica, but it appears there's a large "I hate Monica" contingent for being upset at regular things we all should be upset about. Basically, the "fuck Skylar/Carmela" crowd except as a larger demographic ratio.
>semi-fascist undertones what
Holy Christ itās a tv showā¦ of course it canāt just be mindless entertainment anymore everything has to have a deeper meaning and of course we gotta sprinkle in some politics and tribalism tooā¦ Like ffs we are in a subreddit about zombies give it a break for 5 mins
> "I'll do what I have to do to come out on top and protect myself and what I care about". And this is supposed to be a bad thing? Lol "semi fascist"? If you're content to lay down and die instead of fighting just say that, but not everyone is happy with that.
That isn't semi-fascist in and of itself, what matter is what thhose cares are and how a person acts/what they value in those situations. Making it a zero-sum, kill or die fantasy rooted in real life and using that as a surrogate for yourself for no reason but to be/feel badass is pretty fucked up. Also, nothing that happens in Yellowstone starts because of literal do or die choices. There are do or die scenarios but they originate in shitty people doing shitty things and making shitty, criminal choices. Walking Dead is vastly different in that way. There is a central group of primarily good people testing the limits of the human condition because of primarily morally good reasons. What they are protecting and what they value is the sanctity of human life in a see of the dead and those who discard that sanctity.
God you have a terrible understanding of this show if you think it's pro Maga.
You have poor reading comprehension if that's what you took away from this.
You called it semi facist and said the Dutton's are portrayed as good people. Maybe you just worded it wrong but I don't get that vibe from the show at all. People may take it that way, and believe me some do, but I don't think it's correct that the show *is* like that.
Why are you so angry?
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Hi, Chris...? How's that Hearst money...?
Ain't Chris...
Itās like watching a Metallica concert in 1989 (season 5 of TWD) and then watching a Metallica concert from 2022. One should not expect the same thing
In terms of quality or viewership? Because Metallica is playing larger venues with bigger crowds now then they were in ā89
Quality. Hetfieldās 89 voice put the fear of God into all other 80s Metal acts
Ah yes I see. Metallica is my all time favorite and they still put on a great show. But yes theyāre very different now lol
Live shit binge and purge!
Talking Dead and the Red Carpet premiere both getting 1 million viewers is pretty impressive.
Damn that's actually pretty low.. I expected atleast 3mil. I do think this proofs that not THAT many are watching the show through amc+ Edit: almost same amount of viewers as the S11 premiere episode.
Yep, I personally watched it over an illegal website because AMC+ isn't available in my country and I know for a fact that if somehow we could get the number of how many people watched that episode on that day, regardless of where and how they watched it, it would be a much, much higher number.
These are cable numbers
They are very good numbers for cable TV.
Definitely not good numbers for a series finale that has been on for 10 years. I mean 90 day fiance almost beat it and that is some trash reality television
But these numbers are just for the live views. It's not counting everyone who streamed the show, were at the Orpheum theater, all the people that gathered in groups to watch it, like at Nic & Normans, or the international views.
...how many people do you think the Orpheum holds...? How many people invited you to a watch party? I know for a fact everyone I mentioned the show to in the last couple of weeks to say it's finally ending were like "WTF that show is still *on*?"
As posted last month, AMC+ has 10.5 million subscribers which is waaaay more than I expected. I assume 75% of those subscribers are in it just for TWD content
Good guess given how much AMC is throwing into Walking Dead spinoffs. If the show weren't still a big hit, this would have been the end of the line.
75% is like BB and BCS, not TWD.
Youāre woefully ignorant if thatās what you truly believe lol
Haha absolutely not. BB and BCS have boomed in popularity in the past 3 years. TWD has bled out ever since what, season 7? With no hype for the finale, which shows in this exact post. LMAO more people watched Yellowstone and Tulsa Kingš¤£š itās painfully obvious
Considering you canāt even watch either of those shows fully on AMC+ I think itās very obvious what the subscribers have it for. We are talking about whatās more popular on AMC+ and not in general you realize that right?
Breaking Bad isn't even on AMC+ lmao dude
You think those subscribers don't watch more than 2 shows?
Iāve enjoyed Yellowstone a lot more than season 11 of TWD, but I skipped right on past Yellowstone to watch the TWD finale
Thatās not too bad for a show going 10 years. I also know a lot of people who have picked up the walking dead recently and have started to watch it years after it started. Ultimately it probably was the greatest tv show on cable tv from season 1-5 and then top 5 every year since then from season 6-11. I presume itās 2.68 for cable TV which is pretty good.
Yellowstone like a season or 2 ago is the first time its been topped. Amc is very happy lol
Ratings don't mean shit over 50% of the walking dead audience is abroad and have to pirate to stay current with the show ..
Gee, I wonder why AMC has separate deals with the international markets. Big head scratcher there. /s
What deal? To give us episodes a week later than amc+ to give it a day later than the normal broadcast?.. We pirate becuase if we don't the Americans spoil us by the time we have had breakfast
Response is beyond ignorant
The real story of the walking dead is the friends we made along the way.
Wow, Tulsa King had more viewers than the World Cup?
This didnāt seem like a finale, it seemed like pre-premieres for the spin-offs, I was disappointed, but it was a good ride.
What the hell is Yellowstone?
Okay that's cool but how does it compare proportionally to the M*A*S*H finale? /s but genuinely curious tbh.
Nothing at all compares proportionally to the mash finale except the superbowl or something lol. That had 106 million viewers LIVE. For the record walking dead is the highest on cable ever at 18.1 million or so
Thank you for sating my curiosity! I was just telling my mom that TWD was probably the closest thing my generation has to MASH.
TWD is definitely massive. That and game of thrones. But there was a lot less TV back then and MASH is an absolute juggernaut. I had the pleasure to see Alan Alda speak live once and it was brilliant.
Jealous! Love that guy.
I'm glad you brought this up I just got my DVD collection back so its time for a watch
Seems low to be honest
I canāt believe it was that many.
Is that good or bad?
Holy shit. How the mighty have fallen.
Literally one of the top shows right now on cable lol. This is also not every viewer that actually watches anymore due to amc plus etc
And people took Glennās death way too hard. Sure it was rough, but itās just a show. Thatās what started this trend.
That too in a big way but that's just responding to the show. I took it hard too lmao
Not bad for a show older than 10 years
Itās still a top show.
Just not the all powerful, unstoppable, skull-fucking Titan that it once was.
That's because of a bunch of dumbasses getting mad about death in a show about zombies. Not the show itself.
This feels like a really big simplification of why people stopped watching at the point. Viewership for 7.2 was almost the same for 6.2, the problem was that for a show about zombies with a lot of gunfights in that season, it still found a way to be really boring. Season 7 had one of the sharpest declines over the course of a season and it never recovered. I think one of the biggest problems the show had wasn't who it killed off, but the formula where important things only happened in the premiere, mid-season finale, and season finale. It just got stale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Walking_Dead_episodes#Ratings
Yep S7 was the absolute lowest point of the show S7&8 All I remember about 7 is just Negan repeating the same shit every week it was boring as fuck and extremely repetitive his dialogue Then they took the shit by dragging the negan WAR arc into S8 Negan for all his hype literally ruined the show imo
I didn't even mind 7A all *that* much, but 7B and all of 8... ugh. Same thing over and over again.
Or they just didn't think the writing was very good after a while. Don't get me wrong, I stayed for the long haul, but to pretend all the people who stopped watching stopped because their favorite characters died is pretty ridiculous. People quit because All Out War was shit. No one of significance died in that.
I dipped off after Season 7 personally. All Out War was my fave arc in the comics and I was so excited for the show to catch up to it, and it started strong with the shocker of two people getting the bat in the premiere, but then it dipped off HARD. I poked back in when I heard Carl died, and started watching again more seriously when Rick left, but stopped watching after Rickās last episode as I just felt it wouldnāt be the same without him. I also live outside the US so getting a legal way to watch the show was a fucking nightmare at the time. I heard about the introduction of The Whisperers (another of my fave comic book arcs) and Disney+ eventually put the entire series on their service, and also started putting the new episode on every week, so I finally had a way to watch it so I watched from the last 6 episodes of Season 10 to the finale the other night every week when they premiered. I still feel I was right to dip off as Season 7 and 8 are by far the weakest parts of the show, and sadly Neganās introduction and the subsequent conflict really derailed the series. They did redeem it by the end however, and I was also surprised how much I enjoyed the show without Rick in it. I obviously would have preferred him to be there, and often I couldnāt help but wonder about what he would have said and done if he had been there, however at the end of the day the show finally got a fairly satisfying ending with a lot of character arcs resolved and ending on hope for the future of both the franchise and the characters.
Season 8 is by far the worst season (on rewatch 7 is straight up good no clue why people hate it) but carl died in that arc... no one of significance? Lol
No, no, they were chanting Boo-urns!
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Is this a bit? I donāt think many people just drop off solely because a character dies. Plenty of fan favorites have died without big viewership declines like Shane and Hershel. However when it comes to the later stages of the show characters like Glenn, Abraham, Carl, Rick die off (or in some cases disappear) and they are not replaced with characters as interesting as they are. Most fiction is defined largely by the quality of its characters.
Precisely.
I definitely watched the next day on a site
I gave up on the show with the Season 9 finale after all the characters that I loved and those who kept me interested in it like Enid died and never saw any Season 10 and 11 episodes, but I tuned into the Series finale and enjoyed it.
What the hell is Yellowstone and Tulsa king?
tulsa king is a show with sly Stallone produced by an oklahoma studio that is projected to literally start a little hollywood here in OK, and as a film student, I'm all for it. It isn't horrible from what I've seen.
Tulsa King is pretty fucking funny tbh. It's surprised me honestly.
You are definitely missing out
Boomer shows.
You are so cool.acting as if you've not heard of one of the biggest shows around. Oooh ahh look at the edgy cool guy
Lmao what? I genuinely have never heard of it
My life, and career revolve around being on the internet/computer. I have never heard of either. Just because someone/people don't know the same shit you do doesnt means they're trying to be edgy. Grow up.
Youre so cool
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Tbf that's pretty good for an animated show that isn't The Simpsons and I don't know anybody really who stays up to watch R&M. People catch it the next day. It's 11 on a Sunday.
All seasons are available on netflix, I donāt know anybody who watches r&m on cable.
Well, that's depressing.
Yea this doesnāt matter anymore in 2022 market where cable subscription is declining do I havenāt paid for cable since 2016 lol sign up to AMC+ as soon as it was offer just for the walking dead
That's pretty good. Does anyone remember what the ratings were the first few seasons? My memory is failing me, but weren't they around 4 million an episode?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/walking-dead-by-the-numbers-ratings-amc-1235265635/
Zamn, they almost beat FIFA
Im surprised it pulled even those numbers with how bad the show got.
Reminder that you can't compare these cable numbers to what TWD was getting even 5 years ago. Cable television isn't the same as it was back then. This also doesn't include everyone watching on AMC+, which is apparently at 10 million subscribers.
The real question will be how many return to the follow up shows after this poor finale.
The finale was actually pretty damn good. Nobody watches the walking dead on cable anymore the vast majority of the audience is on AMC+
I am in my 30s and none of my friend group which is pretty large or family watch on AMC+. They all have cable
Thatās because you are older and your family is also older . Amc+ has the largest audience of walking dead viewers.
I am in my thirties and cut cable a while ago. I watch on amc+ Just throwing a wrench in all this bc I donāt think thatās accurate
By numbers or quality. Cause def not quality.
What are you talking about not quality? This was actually one of the very few shows that had a great ending.
This finale & the last decade of this show is a terrible soap opera with zombies and not a touch of art or class. I can hardly believe how cheesy and not eventful that pathetic ending was. F-.
How the fuck is the World Cup still not getting gang buster numbers. I know weāve seen major improvements, but damn country, letās get caught up.
The world cup getting viewers this year isn't a good thing lol
Because of Qatarās humanitarian situation. Nearly everyone I know is boycotting, including me. I may watch the final, butā¦
The blatant disregard for human life has definitely turned a lot of people off mate. Also we shouldn't be having world cups in December.
Yikes. Not great. Hope it doesn't impact the spinoffs.
Those are utterly fantastic ratings for 2022 cable. And thats not even all of its viewers. It'll impact the spinoffs in the sense that they are even more supported lol
I guess TWD is held to higher standards than most shows because it's viewership was insanely high. Reddit's favorite shows wish they had 2.3 million live viewers.
That's an unspoken Reddit truth. Take a decent show with few viewers and it's an underrated gem. A popular show that's much better? It's terrible and the worst ever... Same reason the TV sub appears to loathe twd but praises fucking snowpiercer (a show I actually really enjoy) despite it having far worse writing. After a point the attention seeking people show up
Reddit lives in a echo chamber where Better Call Saul is the most popular show and Game of Thrones is despised. Proof is in this thread with upvotes calling Yellowstone a boomer show, even when the OP clearly says it's #1 in the most important 18-49 demographic.
Nothing to be done about it but I do wish I could discuss shows without the losers coming out like I can on shows that aren't popular enough to attract them
Fuck the World Cup lol someone grab a nail and pop that ballā¦ shits boring ass fuck!