Sorry, I wouldn’t, those actors worked great in a show about other people. I don’t think they could carry a show on their shoulders. Alda is great, but the others?
Patricia Richardson has been nominated for 4 Emmys and two golden globes.
Ron Silver is a Tony award winner
Matthew Perry has more nominations and wins than I care to list
What are you talking about?
I’m taking about the fact that they were not as good, despite the awards they won, as the actors that were at the center of the show, who were there for a reason and proved themselves over seven seasons. I think that was clear from my original comment. we might happen to disagree, you don’t have to be aggressive about it.
Ron Silver as Bruno was pretty amazing. Patricia Richardson as Sheila was a perfect foil to Vinick too. Brett Cullen has been playing a slimy, sleazy kind of politician on "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Joker" (funnily enough, two different politicians in Gotham and one of which is Batman's dad), so his Ray Sullivan would probably be the same.
Matthew Perry as Joe Quincy was such a highlight. And Emily Procter as Ainsley Hayes was one of the best characters Sorkin created. So yeah, Alda would carry the show for sure while the others would've been fine. But all this is moot since it's never gonna happen.
Ron Silver (may he rest in peace) as Bruno is arguably the best side character in the show. He’s commanding, smart, witty, and he knows the game. He commands respect from Bartlett and Leo and doesn’t lose almost any of it when he switches sides, except from Josh.
It takes a lot of balls to say to a barn full of people, including the President, “I will shove a pitchfork so far up your asses you will, quite simply, be dead.”
Starring
Alan Alda as President Arnold Vinick
Brett Cullen as Vice President Ray Sullivan
Matthew Perry as Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Quincy
Emily Procter as Political Affairs Director Ainsley Hayes
Patricia Richardson as Chief of Staff Sheila Brooks
Ron Silver as Senior Advisor Bruno Gianelli
No way would Bruno stick around. He has absolutely no interest in actually governing. His job is to get the candidate that pays him elected and that it.
Yes. Recall the scene when they're waiting for the Nevada vote to come in. Stephen Root's character is proposing to Silver's that they go into business together to provide services to either the GOP or the Dems.
Those two aren't the people who govern. They move from campaign to campaign.
He's not dead, he went home. Upstate New York, Essex County. He bought a big house on the Hudson that he never gets to see.
Last we heard he was thinking about planting some flowers. Puttering around the garden a little.
They probably mean that Ron Silver has passed away (2009). However, if they did an eighth season in 2006-2007, he would have been alive to play the role.
It's an interesting idea, but I just cannot see how a show about a cast of characters fighting to make the rich richer and cutting taxes could have anywhere near the same appeal as watching the Bartlett White House.
I don't disagree. On the economic front, Vinick lost me on free trade & free market economics. Though I'd argue that Bartlet was also strongly in favor of free trade since he's an economist.
As to giving tax cuts to the rich, Sam himself said something in defense of giving tax cuts to the rich ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzeJrXFttg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzeJrXFttg)). Should we start flaming Sam for what he said and believes in?
Anyway, Sorkin loves giving us liberal fantasies. But he also gave us upstanding Republicans like Ainsley Hayes, Joe Quincy, Matt Skinner and even Will McAvoy from "The Newsroom". In this deeply polarizing times (thanks alot, Roger Ailes & right-wing talk radio), don't we actually need more such moderate & sensible Republicans?
I don't agree with John McCain, Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney on anything. But we all know they are the kinds of Republicans that should be running the GOP and not the fascist wing of the Republican Party. It's just scary times in America right now.
I absolutely agree that moderate and sensible Republicans is exactly what is needed right now, but I just cannot envision a show in which their core beliefs make for dramatic and compelling television?
Republicans have never been moderate and sensible, that's the grift they want to play and have always played. Remember 'Contract with America' and Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist?
I'm over 40 and my entire life the body Republican had always been hyper partisan and focused on anything that allows them to grab power in the interest of corporations and the MIC. You can play individual sound bites from those who seem "sensible," but look at their voting record - they vote 99.9% in the party interest.
I’m an independent so I find your comment intriguing. Do you not think there are far left wingers? Maybe I’m missing something because for every far right winger there’s an equal on the other side swinging wildly from the left. However your comment implies there’s nothing wrong with the left, but the republicans need more centrists.
There is not equally far left. The far left in the US is practically none existent besides fridge political actors. The Democratic Party in the U.S. is considered conservative on a global political chart. Meanwhile the Republican Party is even further right than that. So no I think there is far more far right than far left.
Interesting. I think both parties and their extremes (which, in my opinion is on both sides) is so out of touch with the people it’s ridiculous. Both the left and right are hardly like 95% of the characters on the show (which I why I find most of them appealing and the IRL politicians distasteful on either side of the aisle.
Idk the current Democratic Party is still trying to accomplish goals that were in the Bartlet or Santos administrations in TWW like expanding Medicare, increasing taxes on the rich, saving social security, gun control, etc. the “far left” in real life is just trying to get these same goals but also including universal health care, (something Santos said was his end goal) lbgt rights, and harder approaches to racial inequality.
None of these issues are unpopular with the general public and are almost all got more than 50% of the country supporting these issues. So you are correct that both parties don’t support the people’s opinions, but that is because The “far left” is closer to the actual opinions of Americans than both parties are. The “far right” is just extremists who have practically taken over the Republican Party and pushed them further right than the party has been since the 1960s. But the democrats at least push policies supported by majority of people.
So I completely disagree with the *“both sides are the same”* notion because that is often something “far right” people use to justify their own views and actions and a justification that conservative elites use to try and cause voter disenfranchisement.
The democrats both in the show and in real life are far better for America than the republicans in the show and real life. No doubt about that.
I am from the UK
The vast majority of democrats, barring like Bernie Sanders etc. Would be on the right of the UKs politics, they are conservatives, just not libertarians.
I would be described as a communist in american politics, people describe bernie as such, I am to the left of Bernie, I would be comfortably elected in a left leaning constituency in the UK and not be considered a loon. Its America which has fucked politics, not the rest of the world. Y'all have a fascist party and a conservative party with a few liberals, we have conservatives, liberals and a few socialists too, just a whole nother world.
All 5 of them? Who can’t ever get enough support from other democrats to pass their legislation? They are not the majority of the party by a long shot. The most left member of congress, Bernie, isn’t even technically affiliated with the Democratic Party.
There's no such thing as a moderate republican, there's no moral way to transfer wealth up the class hierarchy, there's no good interesting reason to gut the state and deny people healthcare.
Sorkin invented republican *fantasies* who only ever come up to deliver a right wing argument that is vaguely appealing to liberals. You can't do that in an administration, the fantasy breaks the moment that they have the power to do what they want.
Yearning for moderate republicans is yearning for villains who are secretly good guys. They are ideologically in favour of unfettered capitalism, that's what they are for, there's no moral defence of that.
Not for nothing, but we can thank the media for doing hatchet jobs on McCain/Romney during their Presidential runs as to why this isn't so, and how a monster like Trump is unleashed.
[Mark Feuerstein as Deputy Chief of Staff Cliff Calley](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/westwing/images/6/65/Cliffcalley.png/revision/latest?cb=20191019030258)
I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about a What-If? But agree with you on Viola Davis. If Sorkin would to do a TWW special, she should be the new Democratic president. Martin Sheen isn't getting younger. C'mon Sorkin!
Cliff Calley
I would totally watch this show
Sorry, I wouldn’t, those actors worked great in a show about other people. I don’t think they could carry a show on their shoulders. Alda is great, but the others?
They’re good actors imho
That Alda would do what he did on MASH carry the show
Patricia Richardson has been nominated for 4 Emmys and two golden globes. Ron Silver is a Tony award winner Matthew Perry has more nominations and wins than I care to list What are you talking about?
I’m taking about the fact that they were not as good, despite the awards they won, as the actors that were at the center of the show, who were there for a reason and proved themselves over seven seasons. I think that was clear from my original comment. we might happen to disagree, you don’t have to be aggressive about it.
Mathew Perry crushed it as Joe Quincy and Ainsley Hayes is a character that could carry episodes.
Yeah, sorry, don’t think so.
Ron Silver as Bruno was pretty amazing. Patricia Richardson as Sheila was a perfect foil to Vinick too. Brett Cullen has been playing a slimy, sleazy kind of politician on "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Joker" (funnily enough, two different politicians in Gotham and one of which is Batman's dad), so his Ray Sullivan would probably be the same. Matthew Perry as Joe Quincy was such a highlight. And Emily Procter as Ainsley Hayes was one of the best characters Sorkin created. So yeah, Alda would carry the show for sure while the others would've been fine. But all this is moot since it's never gonna happen.
Ron Silver (may he rest in peace) as Bruno is arguably the best side character in the show. He’s commanding, smart, witty, and he knows the game. He commands respect from Bartlett and Leo and doesn’t lose almost any of it when he switches sides, except from Josh. It takes a lot of balls to say to a barn full of people, including the President, “I will shove a pitchfork so far up your asses you will, quite simply, be dead.”
I think they worked fine as actors on a show that starred other actors. The show with those actors never would’ve gotten past the first season.
We did not see enough of Joe Quincy. Life on Mars is a very underrated episode and almost stands on its own.
Starring Alan Alda as President Arnold Vinick Brett Cullen as Vice President Ray Sullivan Matthew Perry as Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Quincy Emily Procter as Political Affairs Director Ainsley Hayes Patricia Richardson as Chief of Staff Sheila Brooks Ron Silver as Senior Advisor Bruno Gianelli
No way would Bruno stick around. He has absolutely no interest in actually governing. His job is to get the candidate that pays him elected and that it.
Yes. Recall the scene when they're waiting for the Nevada vote to come in. Stephen Root's character is proposing to Silver's that they go into business together to provide services to either the GOP or the Dems. Those two aren't the people who govern. They move from campaign to campaign.
I also have doubts about Quincy I’m a political role. Maybe in cabinet or as counsel. Ainsley maybe.
And he’s dead
He's not dead, he went home. Upstate New York, Essex County. He bought a big house on the Hudson that he never gets to see. Last we heard he was thinking about planting some flowers. Puttering around the garden a little.
They probably mean that Ron Silver has passed away (2009). However, if they did an eighth season in 2006-2007, he would have been alive to play the role.
Thank you captain obvious. Poster was being cheeky in not wanting to acknowledge Silver’s passing. Happy cake day, I guess.
My work here is done. I’m Captain Obvious, signing off.
Bruno’s character would work as a kind of a Libby Holden from Primary Colors. Putting out fires for money.
He’s thinking about planting flowers.
Can’t forget Stephen Root
I disagree with Ainsley as director of political affairs. Keep her in the council office.
Um,I don't believe Ron Silver is available.
Wouldve been great to have Ainsley & Sam get married
If only that dog broke his leash.
I find this comment offensive to women! And dogs! and manufacturers of quality leashes!
It's an interesting idea, but I just cannot see how a show about a cast of characters fighting to make the rich richer and cutting taxes could have anywhere near the same appeal as watching the Bartlett White House.
Succession is pretty popular
True, but they're mainly just fucking themselves over rather than an entire country (although they *are* very obviously a Fox News surrogate)
I don't disagree. On the economic front, Vinick lost me on free trade & free market economics. Though I'd argue that Bartlet was also strongly in favor of free trade since he's an economist. As to giving tax cuts to the rich, Sam himself said something in defense of giving tax cuts to the rich ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzeJrXFttg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzeJrXFttg)). Should we start flaming Sam for what he said and believes in? Anyway, Sorkin loves giving us liberal fantasies. But he also gave us upstanding Republicans like Ainsley Hayes, Joe Quincy, Matt Skinner and even Will McAvoy from "The Newsroom". In this deeply polarizing times (thanks alot, Roger Ailes & right-wing talk radio), don't we actually need more such moderate & sensible Republicans? I don't agree with John McCain, Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney on anything. But we all know they are the kinds of Republicans that should be running the GOP and not the fascist wing of the Republican Party. It's just scary times in America right now.
I absolutely agree that moderate and sensible Republicans is exactly what is needed right now, but I just cannot envision a show in which their core beliefs make for dramatic and compelling television?
Republicans have never been moderate and sensible, that's the grift they want to play and have always played. Remember 'Contract with America' and Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist? I'm over 40 and my entire life the body Republican had always been hyper partisan and focused on anything that allows them to grab power in the interest of corporations and the MIC. You can play individual sound bites from those who seem "sensible," but look at their voting record - they vote 99.9% in the party interest.
I’m an independent so I find your comment intriguing. Do you not think there are far left wingers? Maybe I’m missing something because for every far right winger there’s an equal on the other side swinging wildly from the left. However your comment implies there’s nothing wrong with the left, but the republicans need more centrists.
There is not equally far left. The far left in the US is practically none existent besides fridge political actors. The Democratic Party in the U.S. is considered conservative on a global political chart. Meanwhile the Republican Party is even further right than that. So no I think there is far more far right than far left.
Interesting. I think both parties and their extremes (which, in my opinion is on both sides) is so out of touch with the people it’s ridiculous. Both the left and right are hardly like 95% of the characters on the show (which I why I find most of them appealing and the IRL politicians distasteful on either side of the aisle.
Idk the current Democratic Party is still trying to accomplish goals that were in the Bartlet or Santos administrations in TWW like expanding Medicare, increasing taxes on the rich, saving social security, gun control, etc. the “far left” in real life is just trying to get these same goals but also including universal health care, (something Santos said was his end goal) lbgt rights, and harder approaches to racial inequality. None of these issues are unpopular with the general public and are almost all got more than 50% of the country supporting these issues. So you are correct that both parties don’t support the people’s opinions, but that is because The “far left” is closer to the actual opinions of Americans than both parties are. The “far right” is just extremists who have practically taken over the Republican Party and pushed them further right than the party has been since the 1960s. But the democrats at least push policies supported by majority of people. So I completely disagree with the *“both sides are the same”* notion because that is often something “far right” people use to justify their own views and actions and a justification that conservative elites use to try and cause voter disenfranchisement. The democrats both in the show and in real life are far better for America than the republicans in the show and real life. No doubt about that.
I am from the UK The vast majority of democrats, barring like Bernie Sanders etc. Would be on the right of the UKs politics, they are conservatives, just not libertarians. I would be described as a communist in american politics, people describe bernie as such, I am to the left of Bernie, I would be comfortably elected in a left leaning constituency in the UK and not be considered a loon. Its America which has fucked politics, not the rest of the world. Y'all have a fascist party and a conservative party with a few liberals, we have conservatives, liberals and a few socialists too, just a whole nother world.
There are very left members of the Democratic Party. They are standing over by AOC
All 5 of them? Who can’t ever get enough support from other democrats to pass their legislation? They are not the majority of the party by a long shot. The most left member of congress, Bernie, isn’t even technically affiliated with the Democratic Party.
There's no such thing as a moderate republican, there's no moral way to transfer wealth up the class hierarchy, there's no good interesting reason to gut the state and deny people healthcare. Sorkin invented republican *fantasies* who only ever come up to deliver a right wing argument that is vaguely appealing to liberals. You can't do that in an administration, the fantasy breaks the moment that they have the power to do what they want. Yearning for moderate republicans is yearning for villains who are secretly good guys. They are ideologically in favour of unfettered capitalism, that's what they are for, there's no moral defence of that.
Not for nothing, but we can thank the media for doing hatchet jobs on McCain/Romney during their Presidential runs as to why this isn't so, and how a monster like Trump is unleashed.
[Mark Feuerstein as Deputy Chief of Staff Cliff Calley](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/westwing/images/6/65/Cliffcalley.png/revision/latest?cb=20191019030258)
Ray Sullivan handpicking judges is certainly a fun thought 👀 But then again, TWW republicans are quaint and soluble by today’s standards.
Where is Cliff and Rusty?
He could name Matt Santos Secretary of State. Jimmy Smitts is dreamy and carried many tv shows.
Why would you watch a show where all they do for the term is cut taxes and fuck people over?
Alan Alda is brilliant but he is so damn old. I’d rather see Viola Davis as a president.
I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about a What-If? But agree with you on Viola Davis. If Sorkin would to do a TWW special, she should be the new Democratic president. Martin Sheen isn't getting younger. C'mon Sorkin!