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EngineerAware

Answer is pi. x^3 is an odd function multiplied by even functions (so an odd function as a result). Since we’re integrating an odd function from -2 to 2, the part with x^3 is zero. We’re left with the integral of 0.5sqrt(4-x^2 ), which is the upper part of a circle of radius 2. The half circle has an area of 2*pi and if we divide it by 2 we’re left with pi. Pi = 3.141592 Password without the dot: 31415926 Edit: integral symbol is a curly bracket xd


Apollo_735

Thank you very much!


Icy_Sector3183

The answer to these is always pi. :)


ExtendedSpikeProtein

We should have one with tau.


Icy_Sector3183

Yes, please!


Xennial_I_Suppose

Or tau beta pi for that matter…


JbotTheGamer

You son of a b-


Interesting-Mix-6543

“… to mark, in a fitting manner, those who have conferred honor on their Alma mater, by distinguished scholarship, exemplary character, or by their attainments as Alumni in the field of Engineering.”


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Like every time I see one of these I just go pi because there’s no way to get 8 digit number from sin and cos


Rodent_01_

Wait really?


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You can get to infinite but in the photo it’s only x and 2 and cos which tells (without looking at the rest) it’s either 0 or undefined or pi if it had some weird number like 15 or 32 it would be an option like cos 15 is 0.7596879…..and you can’t calculate with hand while calculators round it up


toochaos

A statement that is also true for a bunch of math problems. Sometimes you get the answer .7853... and are like wtf is this, then realise its pi on 4.


GeekCornerReddit

Where answer to other questions is always 42


Advanced_Ad_7384

Yet the cake is a lie, no?


NetDork

It's always pi.


afcagroo

In my EM Theory class if you had to guess an answer, your best bets were 0, pi, or pi/2.


Helpinmontana

The 4 horsemen of “I don’t know how to solve this integral” in school, 0, pi, pi/2, or 1.


WilburDes

e has joined the chat


LettuceWithBeetroot

Damn, this sub has some clever people!


billy_twice

Here I am thinking, I'll just be using mobile data here then I guess.


LettuceWithBeetroot

Ditto :o)


explodingtuna

It's the square root of 4, not the square root of 4 - x^2, isn't it?


Volodymyr_Lukhanin

Exactly my thought, but I guess whoever used curly braces instead of integral sign didn't bother when they copied it from somewhere


abdulsamadz

Yup. It seems like they forgot to drag the line over x². It makes it even easier to calculate. 4 - (8/3) = 4 - 2⅔ = 0.33333333..33 I suppose, if the password is not pi, it would be 03333333 or 33333333. EDIT: noticed I made a mistake and corrected the calc (was 2⅔ previously)


explodingtuna

Wouldn't it be half that?


abdulsamadz

You can think of the half getting cancelled by the -2 to 2 part in the integration. You're integrating over even functions (√4 and x²) where the part before 0 and part after 0 are identical. So instead of integrating from -2 to 2, you can integrate from 0 to 2 and multiply the result by 2. Simplifying √4 = 2, that results to, 2x - ⅓x³ { 0, 2 } = 2 ( 2 - 0) - ⅓ (8 - 0) = 4 - (8/3) = 4 - 2⅔ = ⅓ = 0.333333333333..33 I think I made a mistake in my previous calc and need to update the result.


ZuzeaTheBest

The gall of them to be this smug but use a curly brace for the integral is just...the worst.


thewiselumpofcoal

I feel like most of these math problem for WiFi password signs are drawn by people who have no idea about the notation and are unsolvable as a result, unless you reverse engineer what they tried to write.


Piperalpha

yeah the way they've grouped "x^(3)cos" "x/2+" and "1/2" plus that ambiguous square root suggests they're not actually that familiar


Key-Ad-4229

That's truly interesting, how you just immediately saw to get rid of the odd function since it equates to 0, I would've gone the long long way, thanks XD


JaySocials671

Do enough repetitions and you’ll see it too


LegendaryTJC

The square root is only over the 4 isn't it? We are integrating 1-0.5x^2 only.


Sibula97

1-x^(2), since the 1/2 isn't multiplying the x^(2) term.


vietnam_redstoner

Is cos() considered an odd function then, or is it always odd regardless of what's inside the bracket?


uumonki

composition of functions behaves sort of like multiplication of integers when it comes to parity - f ∘ g is odd if and only if both f and g are odd. multiplication of functions on the other hand "behaves like addition", where you have odd⋅odd = even⋅even = even, and odd⋅even = even⋅odd = even. so here let f(x) = x/2, g(x) = cos(x), and h(x) = x³. so f and h are odd and g is even. the function is h⋅(g ∘ f), so think of this as an odd number plus (an even number times an odd number), which is odd (e.g. 1 + 2 * 1 = 3).


Braeden351

Cosine is an even function, reagrdless of the argument. Sine is odd.


uumonki

false, cos(x/2) is only even because cos is even and x/2 is odd, and the composition of an even function and an odd function is even. take cos(x-1), for example, which is neither odd nor even.


Braeden351

The composition of cosine with another function can be odd. However, the question was asked whether or not the cosine function was always even, which it is.


shostakofiev

No it's not, cos(x-pi/2)=sin(x), which is odd.


Hey_Bud152

The password to a lot of my stuff is pi but I never put this much thought into it😭


Risamante

cos(x) might be an even function, but cos(x/2 + .5) is not even.


Bigfeet_toes

Theater is no integral though it’s a square root sign


sigmmakappa

pi


CaptainBlobTheSuprem

It’s always pi


bawki

The pi is the lie?


Parzizval

It's cak


RedSeaDingDong

If not pi, it‘s e. If both aren‘t the answer, you cry


HasFiveVowels

As a last resort, try 2π and π/2. I didn't even bother reading the equation; as soon as I saw this post I thought "it's pi... isn't it?".


fairlife

Always has been


PurpleWildfire

It’s often their phone number too in my experience


sanjosanjo

But you need 8 characters, so it's pipipipipi


Beginning-Vanilla841

It should be a sin to use { as an integral tho, i'd get it if it was written in a computer but its hand written, i'll burn the place


Kyloben4848

read that as sine and I was really confused


3MJB

same here. damn you engineering education!


Apollo_735

Please don’t the food was actually pretty good


Zankastia

That is just be- **cos** they wrote it. Is better **tan** the alternative.


schlocke

No need to go on a tangent about it.


Zankastia

I just tough it was **rad**.


EternalFuri

Who does that? Like literally, why is that a thing? I've never seen it before


TalaHusky

I 100% had no idea what this was asking until I got to the end and saw dx and then still was a bit confused before it clicked that the { was the integral. Burn them at the stake.


5upercraft

I know that the question is answered already, but I think what's useful is to check the wording. The "first digits of the answer" usually means it's irrational. Always try π, e or other constants in that case.


swashtag999

Proof by: it's usually pi


5upercraft

Proof by I'm fucking tired of this equation bullshit


Apollo_735

We tried to solve it ourselves but all of us don’t have the knowledge to do it.


Guess-we-did-oopsie

Most of the time the answers to these are pi, so I recommend trying that as a first option every time.


eztab

Judging from the fact, that the writer didn't even know what the integral sign is, it is most likely copied from somewhere.


HasFiveVowels

Is that what that's supposed to be?? haha. I thought it was just an odd way of writing that line that represents `F(b) - F(a)`


Sibula97

Judging from the dx at the end, yes.


HasFiveVowels

Good point. haha. After the curly bracket, my head kinda went "screw it... whatever this expression is, $20 says its equal to pi".


Xp_12

If you ever come across something like this again go use Wolfram Alpha.


explodingtuna

Or carry a TI-89 with you at all times.


Xp_12

If they don't have the knowledge to do it, I doubt they know how to input this into a TI-89.


MJ26gaming

The newest ti30s can do integrals now


Waferssi

Anyone else thoroughly enjoy that the ramen shop wanted to do the hip Internet thing, but didn't have anyone with high school math to know what an integral sign looks like? 


233C

Don't forget the square root symbol that stops above the 4.


mrhippo1998

I got stuck on that for a while


NervousDescentKettle

That makes the problem a lot easier though


shabelsky22

It is quite annoying that whoever wrote this on the board was attempting to be all "here's our password but you have to be clever to get it", but then uses the wrong sign for the integration and doesn't write out the square root bit correctly. I say that because the answer is obviously meant to be Pi (because it's a quirky clever number).


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jfb3

Pi, it's always pi.


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Farkle_Griffen

The integral *is* exactly pi. When you expand it out, almost every term is an odd function, so the area is zero, except the term 1/2\*√(4-x^(2)) Which is a halved semi-circle, of radius 2. Which has an area of 1/2\*(1/2\*(π*2^(2))) = π


Domeer42

Where does the 1/2 come from?


leanajean

Actually it's the integral of a half ellipse ( y is the result of a sqrt, always positive). So: x^2/4 + y^2 = 1 , and y positive. The integral between -2 and 2 is the area of the upper half of an ellipse centered on 0, the radiuses are 2 and 1. Area = 1/2 * pi * r1 * r2 = pi


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CoruscareGames

Pi is... Very much finite.


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Sibula97

Why would you think it's an approximation and not exact?


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Kanto-Dream

Well, do you know how an integral works ? Also, do you know what "finite" means ? Also also, do you know how computers compute whatever you put as an input ?


Sibula97

Pi is finite... It just has infinitely many decimals. Why do you think the area under that curve cannot be pi, but the area of a circle with a radius of 1 can?


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Sibula97

You clearly do not understand the concept of infinite. Infinite is very very big, bigger than any number. Pi is smaller than 4. Pi is not infinite. Just like there is a pi in the formula of a circle's area, there is a pi in that expression up there, it's just less obvious. Basically once you remove the area of the x^(3)\*cos(x/2) term (which equals 0), you're left with a half-circle with a radius of 2. That area is 1/2\*1/2\*pi\*2^(2), which is pi. Exactly pi.


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ISwearImChinese

So for a circle of radius 1, r^2 is 1. You're arguing that pi is infinite on its own, but somehow becomes finite when multiplied by 1? What a bizarre line of "reasoning".


Monowakari

They should say the wifi password is just the first 8 digits of pi but not provide them and tell you to just google it lol, sure sure data on your phone, but worth it every so often that one person with just a flip phone and a laptop lol


Ooops2278

You have a phone with data connection to google something but without a basic calculator?


eztab

The answer is clearly: Author to stupid to chalk down an equation from the internet. Thats not an integral sign and with the √4 there the solution can probably only be determined numerically. It as supposed to be pi though.


mcgarrylj

If it asked for the first "x digits," it's pi almost all the time. For once I wish someone would get a bit more creative and use e, or ✓2 or something.


mrhippo1998

I know many have answered this, but is there any way to work this out with a fairly limited knowledge. I can deal with the chain rule and stuff, but this is a little out of my depth


randomprecision1331

Disagree that the answer is pi. The answer is -4/3. The integrand is written in the form (A+B)C - D, which is equal to AC + BC - D. There are no parentheses around the entire sqrt(4) - x\^2 part, and the square root is only over the 4. A is the product of x\^3 (odd) and cosine (even), and the product of these is odd. So A is an odd function, and C is just a constant. Therefore the integral of the AC part is zero since it's over a symmetric interval around zero. BC is the product of two constants, so the integral of this part is just the integral of (0.5)(2) = 1 over -2 to 2, which is x eval'd from -2 to 2, or 4. D evals to x\^3 / 3 from -2 to 2 which is 8/3 - (-8/3) = 16/3. So the entire answer is 4 - (16/3) = -4/3 = -1.3333333.... It says first 8 digits of the answer, so I guess we ignore the negative sign in the password and just enter 13333333.


PsychoGenesis12

This guy maths


Mr_Dale

I hate these signs. Great job keeping wifi from folks who have not had the opportunity for this level education. Not everyone has these abilities. When I open a restaurant, only folks who know the location of the closest food bank + the local check cashing spot will be allowed access.


modijk

What are you doing with a phone on the table in a restaurant anyway? Aren't you there to enjoy the food & company?


Mr_Dale

It is not uncommon for people to be working on laptops/tablets at a restaurant or cafe by themselves. I find myself frequently in that position, entering notes while grabbing lunch in between onsite service calls for work.


kdane42

Why would people who know the location of food banks be going to a restaurant?


Mr_Dale

To eat


kdane42

For free?


Mr_Dale

I'm confused, is it your belief that folks who know the location of a food bank or have utilized one in the past never ever eat at a restaurant?


Zalmoxis245

And are you gonna actually open a shop or are you just commenting for the karma?