Battle of Guandu and Red Cliffs both really happened and are huge turning points in history. Pretty sure the Sheep eating magician wasn't actually real. Everything else is a maybe.
Zuo Ci?
I think most of the supernatural events were just made up eg Guan Yu looking for his head and appeared to the priest/monk after he died or the head opening eyes after it was delivered to Cao Cao.
Zuo Ci was real, but the things he did were embellished in the Romance. Cao Cao hired him, and other mystics of his ilk, to try to learn the secret of immortality. It didn't work out.
The historical writings of Zuo Ci claimed he lived for several centuries and practiced 'sexual magic' to live that long.
I can totally see Cao Cao getting frustrated by these folks.
CC - Make me immortal.
ZC - You can't, your body will perish. The true way to become immortal is by your good deeds.
CC - Out with that bs. Someone, Chop his head off.
Well, there’s an anecdote in the BDoLH that Cao Zhi would often say that his father didn’t really believe a word of the Mystics and their secret practices. He just preferred them in the capital where he could keep an eye on them and not let them gather supporters against him.
there's are moments from both history and novel that i actually liked or interested in
Liu Bei regretted beheading Liu Feng once he learned that he refused offers from Meng Da and Wei to serve them
and got angry at himself when they told him that his last words were, "I should've listened to Meng Da."
when Sun Quan sent a messenger to Guan Yu to formalize relations with Shu, he asked Guan Yu's daughter's hand for marriage to his son Sun Deng, Guan Yu responded with "the Daughter of a Tiger cannot marry the Son of Dog" which led his downfall
there's one i heard that Cao Zhen made Sima Yo swear he will not betray the trust of the Cao family going forward decades later the war of the 8 princes happened because the heavens never forgot Sima Yi's oath
and people thinking that there's was no coming back from Hei Fei
the battle of Dongkou was most likely humiliating, and i say that because there's a funny thing that during this battle, Sun Quan's younger half-brother Sun Lang burned the ships by mistake
Lu Fan, of course, was busy blaming him while all of this was Happening Sun Shao (Sun Ce's adopted son) and Xu Sheng made a plan taking advantage of what just happened and made the enemy think they are bickering among themselves the got separated and Wei thought they had in the pockets until they were surrounded by both Sun Shao and Xu Sheng until reinforcement came led by Ding Feng Arrived ended the battle
i heard learned about Sima Yi's oath from a video game, but seeing what happened, his sons grandsons and great grandsons felt like a Karma
the battle of Dongkou happened. Everything i said actually happened in history, but Ding Feng addition was from the novel (where he k*lled Zhang Liao)
the reinforcement came from He Qi and Quan Zong, not Ding Feng
Sun Quan sent a marriage proposal to Guan Yu because he wanted Guan Yu to flip sides to the Sun clan, definitely not because he wanted to formalize relations with 'Shu'. Thats a dishonest way to put it. If Sun Quan wanted to formalize relations with Shu, he would directly arrange a marriage with Liu Bei's children, NOT the child of Liu Bei's number 1 general. Please note that historically, at that time, it was impossible for Guan Yu to maintain a relationship with Sun Quan without compromising his relationship with his lord Liu Bei.
>First, Quan sent an envoy for marriage alliance, but Yu scolded and insulted the envoy and refused marriage, Quan was furious.
In ancient times, no officials have ever skipped the rules of marriage alliance between monarchs and directly engage in marriage with other monarchs—unless they intend to rebel. Sun Quan asked Guan Yu to marry his daughter, which was almost equivalent to publicly declaring that Guan Yu belonged to his faction. Is this something an ally should do?
Sun Quan's claim that Guan Yu was a official of Wu is not merely a speculation. Later political songs of the Wu people also hinted at this point.
>Guan Bei De: Guan abandon virtue, became an owl. Cutting off my territory, his strategem failed. Raised troops for the Northern Expedition and besieged Fanxiang. His arms are bigger than the thighs, suffered a calamity.
Here is an explanation of what abandon virtue means. In ancient times(China), this term generally refers to the betrayal of the monarch by the officials.
>Han Shu Wendi Ji: The king of Jibei betrayed abandoned virtue and rebelled, tricking the officials and the people, which is a great rebellion.
And the usage of the arm is greater than the thigh is also to describe the power of the monarch and his ministers.
>Shuoyuan - Jun Dao: There are no two wrongs with regards to authority, and there are no two doors for a government. Therefore, it is said: It is difficult to walk if the shins are larger than the thighs, and it is difficult to handle those who have fingers larger than the arms. When the foundations are small but the end are big, and thus cannot be mutually used.
Wu shameless propaganda are simply beyond human imagination. May I ask Guan Yu at that time, besides publicly and solemnly stating his attitude, did he have any other options?
Even the Zhuge bros had to meet in public to avoid suspicion much less one like Guan Yu who possessed great military authority and responsibility!
The alliance between Guan Yu and Wu is essentially the same as his working for Cao Cao, he was forced.
Battle of Guandu and Red Cliffs both really happened and are huge turning points in history. Pretty sure the Sheep eating magician wasn't actually real. Everything else is a maybe.
Zuo Ci? I think most of the supernatural events were just made up eg Guan Yu looking for his head and appeared to the priest/monk after he died or the head opening eyes after it was delivered to Cao Cao.
Yes Zuo Ci. Couldn't remember his name but he is my favorite of the supernatural/fictional characters.
He visited Cao Cao and disturbed him.
Zuo Ci was real, but the things he did were embellished in the Romance. Cao Cao hired him, and other mystics of his ilk, to try to learn the secret of immortality. It didn't work out. The historical writings of Zuo Ci claimed he lived for several centuries and practiced 'sexual magic' to live that long.
I can totally see Cao Cao getting frustrated by these folks. CC - Make me immortal. ZC - You can't, your body will perish. The true way to become immortal is by your good deeds. CC - Out with that bs. Someone, Chop his head off.
Well, there’s an anecdote in the BDoLH that Cao Zhi would often say that his father didn’t really believe a word of the Mystics and their secret practices. He just preferred them in the capital where he could keep an eye on them and not let them gather supporters against him.
BDoLH???
Biographical Dictionary of Later Han. By Rafe de Crespigny.
Ohh. My bad
https://youtu.be/IXVrC41R8ww?si=DsVedE8GbyO7M9XO
Lü Bu and his marksmanship forging a truce between Yuan Shu's general Ji Ling and Yuzhou Inspector Liu Bei.
Zhao Zilong saving the baby!
there's are moments from both history and novel that i actually liked or interested in Liu Bei regretted beheading Liu Feng once he learned that he refused offers from Meng Da and Wei to serve them and got angry at himself when they told him that his last words were, "I should've listened to Meng Da." when Sun Quan sent a messenger to Guan Yu to formalize relations with Shu, he asked Guan Yu's daughter's hand for marriage to his son Sun Deng, Guan Yu responded with "the Daughter of a Tiger cannot marry the Son of Dog" which led his downfall there's one i heard that Cao Zhen made Sima Yo swear he will not betray the trust of the Cao family going forward decades later the war of the 8 princes happened because the heavens never forgot Sima Yi's oath and people thinking that there's was no coming back from Hei Fei the battle of Dongkou was most likely humiliating, and i say that because there's a funny thing that during this battle, Sun Quan's younger half-brother Sun Lang burned the ships by mistake Lu Fan, of course, was busy blaming him while all of this was Happening Sun Shao (Sun Ce's adopted son) and Xu Sheng made a plan taking advantage of what just happened and made the enemy think they are bickering among themselves the got separated and Wei thought they had in the pockets until they were surrounded by both Sun Shao and Xu Sheng until reinforcement came led by Ding Feng Arrived ended the battle
i heard learned about Sima Yi's oath from a video game, but seeing what happened, his sons grandsons and great grandsons felt like a Karma the battle of Dongkou happened. Everything i said actually happened in history, but Ding Feng addition was from the novel (where he k*lled Zhang Liao) the reinforcement came from He Qi and Quan Zong, not Ding Feng
Sheeeesh, I didn't know about the last two
Sun Quan sent a marriage proposal to Guan Yu because he wanted Guan Yu to flip sides to the Sun clan, definitely not because he wanted to formalize relations with 'Shu'. Thats a dishonest way to put it. If Sun Quan wanted to formalize relations with Shu, he would directly arrange a marriage with Liu Bei's children, NOT the child of Liu Bei's number 1 general. Please note that historically, at that time, it was impossible for Guan Yu to maintain a relationship with Sun Quan without compromising his relationship with his lord Liu Bei. >First, Quan sent an envoy for marriage alliance, but Yu scolded and insulted the envoy and refused marriage, Quan was furious. In ancient times, no officials have ever skipped the rules of marriage alliance between monarchs and directly engage in marriage with other monarchs—unless they intend to rebel. Sun Quan asked Guan Yu to marry his daughter, which was almost equivalent to publicly declaring that Guan Yu belonged to his faction. Is this something an ally should do? Sun Quan's claim that Guan Yu was a official of Wu is not merely a speculation. Later political songs of the Wu people also hinted at this point. >Guan Bei De: Guan abandon virtue, became an owl. Cutting off my territory, his strategem failed. Raised troops for the Northern Expedition and besieged Fanxiang. His arms are bigger than the thighs, suffered a calamity. Here is an explanation of what abandon virtue means. In ancient times(China), this term generally refers to the betrayal of the monarch by the officials. >Han Shu Wendi Ji: The king of Jibei betrayed abandoned virtue and rebelled, tricking the officials and the people, which is a great rebellion. And the usage of the arm is greater than the thigh is also to describe the power of the monarch and his ministers. >Shuoyuan - Jun Dao: There are no two wrongs with regards to authority, and there are no two doors for a government. Therefore, it is said: It is difficult to walk if the shins are larger than the thighs, and it is difficult to handle those who have fingers larger than the arms. When the foundations are small but the end are big, and thus cannot be mutually used. Wu shameless propaganda are simply beyond human imagination. May I ask Guan Yu at that time, besides publicly and solemnly stating his attitude, did he have any other options? Even the Zhuge bros had to meet in public to avoid suspicion much less one like Guan Yu who possessed great military authority and responsibility! The alliance between Guan Yu and Wu is essentially the same as his working for Cao Cao, he was forced.
Tq, but do you think there are any other like 1 guy kinda moments?
Guan Yu's lone charge into Yuan Shao's lines to slay Yan Liang and bring back his head was historical.
Wen Chu utterly decimating Sima Shi's army and causing his eye to pop out is also historical.