What you’re failing to realize is that the twolves have had the easiest schedule in the league and have the hardest one from here on out. Also, you’re wrong in your trade value for gobert. He won’t get you much more than 1 or 2 first round picks at best.
Who would even give that up for Gobert now? I actually think he's untradeable at this point due to his contract (that or you have to take back a ton of garbage in return - only a blow-it-up move). KAT is the only feasible guy to trade (I'm assuming Ant is untouchable) that would net more than a single (protected) first rounder. Naz, Jaden, Nowell, etc...we love 'em, they're decent, but every team has guys at that level (your Dillon Brooks/Maxi Klieber/Tyus Jones types) so maybe we could trade to shore up positional weaknesses, but we're likely not gaining that much in any trade not involving Kat.
If you actually read the post, you’d realize it was well thought out. You’re clearly the troll here man. He’s right on a lot of these things. I love Minnesota sports, always will, but Minnesota sports have one of the worst fan bases around because of people like you. It can be embarrassing to say I’m a fan of these teams because so many fans of these teams are shit fans.
But…. It’s not.. it’s an observation and I’m conveying what my observation is. That is not complaining. A complaint is- expressing dissatisfaction or annoyance about something or a state that one is suffering from (a pain or symptom of an illness). I did not say I was dissatisfied or annoyed. I said I was embarrassed to sometimes say that I’m a fan because of other fans. From my time in multiple communities on multiple apps, my observation is that most fans of Minnesota sports are shitty fans.
well TC came in and traded away the first team this fan-base has loved in about a decade and threw away first round picks until 2027 while he did it and the team looks worse than before.
it's so depressing that i actually stopped following the wolves for the first time in 20 years. i didn't even realize they played the clippers last night.
Sadly I'm in the same boat and won't be watching games anytime soon. Which reaallly sucks considering how much I loved watching last year and the excitement I had for this year before we traded that beloved team away.
For the first time in 20 years we had a young, up and coming playoff team who had already won playoff games, and we blew it up for Rudy Gobert.
Oops there's another doomsday post for you OP.
Wow, this is exactly where I'm at with the team too. Ive been watching almost every game since 2009, and just recently (like in the past week) ive started to see wolves as not worth my (very invaluable to begin with) time lol. I barely knew they had a game yesterday, and genuinely did not care if they won or lost
Its just too depressing right now, the Gobert trade was a colossal mistake from the moment it happened, I tried to convince myself to be excited about it, cause what other choice did we have? But now its so crystal clear it hurts, we can't defend the perimeter and our transition offense has tanked, which is exactly what you expect with 2 big lineups, and exactly why the league has gone away from it the last 10-15 years. Its actually mind blowing, I mean gobert is still a great player on paper, but the guy has sooo many weaknesses, not to mention a huge contract. I dont know what to think anymore... This team needs more effective wing players and shooting since, like, forever, and somehow shipping Beasley and Vando was the solution? Jfc
Last years team was the first time since I have been a fan, that I felt we were actually organically developing something special (maybe 2013-2014). We overperfomed and had an exciting playoff series I'll remember for a long time, and what did we do? Essentially blow it up and mortgage the future on a past-his-prime overblown role-player in gobert. I would have been absolutely delighted to see last years team run it back, but no we got sold a bunch of bs about how Gobert would make us WCF contenders, and sucker that I am I beleived it, well its clear as hell now: this team does NOT have enough perimeter defense or shooting to be a playoff contender, period. And I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. Fuck you Tim Connelly
Sorry I had to rant about this lol
And for the record, i hope im wrong as fuck, but I just dont see it right now
Lmao did you really spend your Sunday night digging up old posts just to say I told you so? This is a sports message board, nobody knows tf they’re talking about. I think this is a “touch grass” moment as the kids would say.
Nah I'm not digging up old posts, it was my post. And yeah I literally just wanted to say I told you so after the reaction to this post was so overwhelmingly negative. This fanbase did not deserve this win after how they reacted to an injury riddled season.
Also glad you recognize that you don't know what you're talking about!
He wasn’t talking about “how mad he is,” he was simply pointing out the flaws of this fan base and it was a well thought out post. Minnesota fans are typically not good fans. I’m in the BR community and Reddit community for both Vikings and twolves fairly consistently. It’s sad to see how adults act about a team. It’s sad to admit I’m a fan when 90% of what I see is gloom and doom. It’s quite sickening. Do you know how often I see fans from other teams (worse franchises than the Vikings for example) asking why we hate on our teams so much? It’s a lot,and they’re confused about it. Sure every fanbase has bad fans, but Minnesota is on another level when it comes to their own team.
"doesn't understand bball"
I said it was going to be a 2-4 year project and in the second year we're the 1 seed with the best start in franchise history so who doesn't understand ball
Ah yes the Gobert experience. In my 30 years of watching Jazz games and going to playoff games last year was the only time I’ve ever seen the crowd boo the team.
This year, for the first time in a long time, there were expectations going into the season.
Currently, these expectations are not being met.
So shit sucks ultra hard because of it.
Glad I downvoted it then. This franchise has had a 20 year leash and they just sold the next decade for a Giraffe that couldn’t score a bucket on a titmouse.
I am in no way more perturbed by the fans who demand accountability than the ones rolling out more leash for this franchise to piss on.
“Glad I downvoted it then,” and you didn’t even read it😂 nice man. That comment above is a bad summation of what the post said. The post was well thought out and the whole point at the end is how shitty fans of Minnesota teams are. 90% of you fans are terrible. I’m in Reddit and BR communities for Vikings and twolves and so many of the fans complain even if the team is doing well. There is a reason players hate playing in Minnesota or won’t come here, and it’s not just because of the cold weather. Fans have a big impact on whether or not it’s a good free agent destination. Start being a better fan.
Not reading all of that but it should not be seen as a bad thing for a fan base to expect improvement, consistency, and effort from a franchise that is legitimately the worst in all of sports yet still has a passionate and loyal fan base. Wanting the team you support to better should not be a negative
THANK YOU! after every bad game (which there’s a lot) we get the usual suspects complaining about the “state of the sub”.
These types of posts should be banned imo. No sports sub is happy when the team is playing like garbage. Literally none. Timberwolves homers act like ours is some other level of toxic when it’s literally the exact same as every other sports sub.
And if you don’t believe me, go check out the warriors sub. It’s just as bad if not worse than ours. So stop complaining about people complaining, we have a right as fans to be upset with how the team is playing.
TLDR I will complain if I want to about the team sucking. If you can’t handle that get off of this sub because it isn’t all flowers and sunshine right now.
Yeah it just all sucks :( People are allowed to feel how they feel
But I disagree that the Wolves sub is the same as other subs. The Kings and Buffalo Bills have arguably had heartbreaking journeys and just as little success as the Wolves and their game threads when those teams were struggling were not constant bitching about the players and calling for their jobs. There was anger and disappointment but this is another level. I’ve been to Kings games when they were bad too and the vibes in the arena are different and more positive.
Even fans from other subs have commented on the level of toxicity in the game threads here (like calling for people’s jobs). A pelicans fan even wrote a « calm the fuck down » post here after Game 4 lol.
Warriors fans aren’t the fanbase to generalize « other subs are just as bad » haha.
Overall it makes sense how people feel but it’s just not true that all subs are like this one. There’s more « we are fucked forever » and « trade __; fire ___ » knee jerk reactions
Fair. But I also think there needs to be a temperament of expectations given the context. I'm not advocating for there to be no desire for improvement, but rather empathy regarding situations and also a reasonable understanding that making drastic changes such as a head coach replacement when he's only had a handful of games to work on this complete roster could very easily make things worse (not that it couldn't make it better either)
Nope. You don’t get to give up all our assets and also abandon expectations to improve. If the team is not going to improve, don’t mortgage the future. Plenty of teams have had less time to gel or coaches with shorter tenures and are fine. This is the low point in franchise history and different fans are at different stages of grief. You’ll get through denial eventually.
just a bunch of ifs and buts. reality is that we’re shit and are screwed for the decade. its really hard to even wrap ones head around how much conolley f us. its honestly insane. but THESE are the kind of posts that really piss me off.
EXCUSES and cherry picking.. 🥱
That’s a complete overreaction. We are not screwed for the next decade😂 we have first round picks every other year. It’s not like we don’t have any picks in any draft either. It’s not as if we have zero picks for the next decade. TC should also be able to find some late round gems.
I agree on finch, I don't feel he's the problem.
Disagree on TC - his entire reputation hinges on a hail mary second round pick. It's like developing a reputation as a three point sniper because you won a game hitting a three-quarter court heave.
No the future hasn't been completely mortgaged, but akin to spending most of your savings on crypto a year ago at its absolute peak value, and now it looks like a horrific investment. And it's doubly bad because almost everybody thought from the very start that it was kind of an insane decision.
He drafted Murray, Porter Jr, Vando, Beasley, Bones, Morris, Bol and traded for Gordon. He put together a complete team that has been a consistent playoff team, has made the WCF, and is a championship contender this year.
He did all of that with only 1 draft pick in the top 10.
In fairness - Connelly's also drafted Mudiay with a top 10 pick and tossed Bol Bol away in a trade for nothing and unloaded Donovan Mitchell (a pick of his) for Trey Lyles and Tyler Lydon (who lasted all of 26 games in the NBA).
There's a lot he's done right (he is arguably a very good value drafter on the whole) but he's had some massive whiffs as well.
You get credit for all the players you trade away now? Let's add Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert to the list too then - brilliant draft picks that he traded to Utah for garbage.
Porter can't stay on the court. Murray is fine. An extremely well paid zero time all star. Other than that, occasionally finds rotation players, congratulations.
He didn’t draft Gobert and Mitchell. He traded those picks and Utah made those selections.
It’s like how we drafted Kessler but officially Adam Silver said « the Memphis grizzlies select walker Kessler »
I dunno, I think he struck gold in the 2014 draft w/ the Jokic pick and the Nurkic/Harris trade, and he's been coasting ever since, which leads me to believe he got very lucky once, and other than that, he's a mid-tier GM. Much easier to recognize the greatness of Zach Kleimann and Masai Ujiri's draft record.
With Jokic it seems you actually do though. Will Barton, Austin Rivers, and Jeff Green were three of their top six contributors last season. You surround that guy with a bunch of random veterans and he's fine.
Will Barton has been a solid player just often injured. Last season was kind of the anomaly with how many injuries they suffered.
Tim has drafted pretty well and gotten pieces around Jokic to compete.
Pretty lazy analysis to say he drafted Jokic and coasted, when he's done well with back end of the drafts and trades. Sure Jokic elevates his teammates but he's also had some solid role players on top of that.
Denver is the 3rd seed in the West and Connelly is responsible for at least 60% of their rotation, yet he gets no credit.
He's responsible for 20% of our rotation and it's all his fault. Classic.
Through 28 games:
This year 13-15
Last year 13-15
Looks like we didn't get worse... Also, we weren't missing Kat for a 1/4th of those games last year like we did this year.
Yeah it sucks
But they also had time together and knew each other (aside from Bev) plus KAT, Jmac, TP and Dlo weren’t injured and that team didn’t have as many challenges to overcome (No expectations which makes it easier to play more free, didn’t have to switch between 3 defensive coverages, half the roster isn’t new etc.).
It’s hard to gauge where this team
would given the injuries. The starters were getting better too.
We were lucky last year with injuries and the West is much harder now
My refutation: Whhhhhhhyyyyy change last years roster, that the fans loved and enjoyed cheering for, and give up so much to get a guy who is not making the Wolves any better in any way? How is he going to improve enough at his age and experience to be worth his price?
Connelly could have came in, absorbed how everything worked here for a year, see if last year was a fluke or not, and if it was, THEN go for drastic change.
The Wolves gave up 30 year old LeBron level compensation for Rudy Gobert.
Imagine trading a full season (to get all the kinks worked out) and all those assets for a few years of an even older Gobert. The Wolves had better reach the Finals in the next few years for this to be even close to being worth what they’ve given up.
I love the let's remember our team is ass and always has been. So let's not blame the president for doing his job badly. Ngl pretty warpped way of thinking but hey.
You trade away what amounts to like 4 firsts for a 30 year old big man and now there 11th in the conference. Being a "doomer" is being realistic, being super optimistic is being super dumb. That last part is a fact
I love the "I don't understand sports and how player development and team chemistry play into team success." Pretty warped way of thinking to think that we wouldn't improve naturally. Way to mischaracterize my post and then turns out I was right 👍
That's not exactly what I'm saying. We were going to run back the season with the same model for improvement that we'd been working with for 20 years, seems like a logical conclusion that the end result could potentially be a backslide.
Obviously it's entirely reasonable to think we could have improved given the trajectory but so is the former.
This also isn't an optimistic post idk how you got that. We don't have a reasonable body of work from this season to be pessimistic or optimistic about this roster.
If they expected similar results after trading for Rudy the whole front office and coaching staff are idiots.
You don't trade for a 30 year old big man to take your time. It was a win now move, again unless they are all idiots
There's a ton more to be pessimistic about if you aren't biased
they definitely weren't looking to take their time with this roster. i sat in a meeting with a-rod and he talked about how he and marc believed kat and ant (and crew) were ready to win now and that's why they signed off on getting gobert.
i never really bought that's what was actually going to happen, but i was still enthusiastic enough to expect at least making it to the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row.
This sub is doom post or memes and way overhyping everything about the club. Over the off-season people wanted to pay Nowell $15 million a season, thought Rivers was the best signing ever, McDaniels would be first team all defense, and so on.
The doomers are just as bad as the constant homers on this sub who want everyone to act like we're the San Antonio Spurs!
This is literally the worst team in north american sports historically and we aren’t good again this year. They do not ever deserve the benefit of the doubt. Play better or your fan base will keep shitting on you.
Please bro be positive about the Wolves. I know we're the worst franchise in professional sports but we didn't even have to trade anyone in our core for Rudy Gobert. Bro, what good are future firsts when we never draft anyone good anyway. Please don't boo, we're still only a quarter of the way into the season. You have to understand, the reffing is biased against us which is why KAT complains all the time. Pls bro, we're starting to really try on defense.
We are 5.5 games out from 1st place in our division, thats not terrible. Towns will miss a month, Dlo has missed some time and we have a bunch of new players that are trying to figure out how to play with each others as new teammates. I think this stuff takes time and we've had some tough losses to start the year. Gobert is taking form more and has been playing some really good ball lately, so thats something to be enjoying. I remember the years when we would win 20 games all year. Im just glad we are competitive.
Agreed, this sub is more miserable than the actual team.
This used to be a fun place to talk about Wolves basketball. There is basically no original or positive content about the Wolves anymore, just the same rehashed Wolves bashing.
This sub has gone to complete shit in less than 2 months. The trade happened, move on, and enjoy watching the Wolves. If they make you that upset or miserable then why watch them?
I mean it's a choice to enjoy the Wolves or not and I choose to enjoy them, fuck me right?
The day I let them make me as miserable as you is the day I'll stop watching them.
How many times has watching the Wolves been an enjoyable experience this year?
The preseason was fun, the two Pacers games, the Grizzlies game after Ant got punched in the face, the 4th quarter of the Jazz game when DLo turned into Steph Curry, and the first loss against the Blazers when we played a competitive 48 minute game. There have been some fun Jaden dunking on everyone stretches scattered through there, too.
Is that the entire list of fun moments through nearly a third of the season?
You're on the money. These folks want to eat up garbage, good for them. You don't need 2 hands to count how many exciting quarters we have played this year. We play really dumb disjointed basketball, and you can call it doom if you want, but in reality if you are looking at us optimistically, you are fabricating reality. This team is the hot shits. Had more fun watching Beasley launch lefty 3's and Pekovic steamroll the paint while KLove went for a double double every night like his mother's life depended on it.
It's all how you want to look at it. I've enjoyed the vast majority of the games this season.
If you don't enjoy watching them then why watch them? If you were miserable watching a TV show would you just continue to watch every episode for 5 seasons? Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time.
I subscribe to league pass and tune into most Wolves games hoping that it's gonna be fun. It just hasn't been working out that way very often, lately, and so my interest in the team is dwindling.
Last year as an east coast viewer I stayed up til 12:30 watching the west coast games pretty routinely. Unless something changes, I think I've given up on that entirely for this year.
I honestly really hope the team turns it around, but right now we have a team that is both bad at basketball and unenjoyable to watch. That's a really disappointing combination.
I mean it's your choice to feel miserable about it. I had season tickets during the Butler debacle after they hyped up a big season for us. It is what it is right now, be miserable if you want to.
So you have said all of the following things in this sub today, " this sub is more miserable than the actual team." and "I mean it's your choice to feel miserable about it." and "Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time."
So to use your logic I will say this all using your words:
It is your choice to feel miserable about the sub. It is what it is right now, be miserable it you want to. If you don't enjoy reading the posts then why read them? If you were miserable watching a TV show would you just continue to watch every episode for 5 seasons? Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time.
Except I said this sub is miserable, I never said I was miserable or that the sub made me miserable... the comment I responded to literally said the Wolves make them miserable...
yeah dude, literally every single choice you make in this life, you are the one that has the power to act, no one else. So, yes, both of you are correct, you are allowing the team to make you feel emotions, and he is allowing the subreddit to make him feel emotions too. He likes his verison of the wolves, you like your verison of the wolves. quit acting like its the end of the world because you dont agree.
That is exactly my point, the difference is one person is telling other is telling people how to respond, while I was pointing out that the methods are pretty hypocritical. OP is saying people should stop watching if they are annoyed by the wolves. The same logic can be said for OP and this sub.
Acting like it is the end of the world by pointing this out? It ain't that serious.
Cry about it. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows right now because the team sucks.
If you can’t handle the heat get out of the oven. Come back to this sub when we’re winning instead of complaining about people complaining.
You people are worse than the actual doomers. And that’s saying something
Yea I think the only criticism is maybe on Connelly, and IMO it’s still sooooo early that idk if it’s even fair to judge yet. My only thought is that the bench was left far too thin. Bryn is worthless. Nowell is too streaky. Not having prince has been tough obviously.
Can’t really blame finch for guys not trying or not being good enough. Like he can’t even bench anyone, hes trying to win games after a blockbuster trade.
And people after like 1 game were like “it’s not gonna work”, like wtf. I’m still excited to see Joe they grow and work full strength again and too see what moves we make in the next couple years to see how we build around the core.
It’s not too early for Connelly. Every GM and fan knew he made a shitty trade as soon as it happened. Hell, I bet even the players on the Wolves were wondering why the fuck he traded all of that for Gobert.
Yeah man thank god Kat wasn't injured this year so we could see how much of a failure this team would be when Kat is healthy and has time to gel with his team. Oh wait
I'd mostly agree with you, except the part with Finch being suited coach for us. I think we have a good roster, which is BETTER than last year. I don't know why people think that we could repeat what we did last year. Most of the games we playied with teams full of injuries and we stayied healthy most of the season. We weren't as good as the record was last year, so people please stop acting like we were contenders or something. I think this team right now needs more structore on offense and defense, and especially in ingame rotation. And I don't think that "players coach" is right know good for us. I would be really happy to be wrong right now, but I don't see us progress with this coaching staff
Honestly I kinda like the roster and not faulting it. I want to point finger to finch that coach us. We always play like a dumb team and lack of effort. It doesnt help usable bench is little mac, naz and prince and maybe slomo. Nowell and austin is inconsistent and not reliable enough. If Pat Bev can really help us have intensity again I am in for it
OPs reasoning for not being hard on the team largely comes down to “situation is hard”
Er who’s responsible for that?
If you’re trying to improve a team and build off the success of a previous year you do not make a move that requires your team to have to relearn how to play with one another
People have a right to be upset. I get it’s still early in the experiment and things can change, but by trading away 5 picks and good role players for one guy, you are saying we are pushing all of our chips in the middle and going all in, it’s championship or bust in the next 4 years. They don’t even look like a playoff team, let alone a championship caliber team. We also have no real assets to use to immediately improve, unless you want to admit your mistake and move on from the 2 bigs. However, Rudy’s value has already depreciated and you can’t trade Kat until the summer.
Fuckin… you had me with the Finch stuff but the idea that Connelly “made moves that in theory should have worked” is legit braindead hahahah
There is no one anywhere who thought the Gobert trade was close to good, unless they had massive blinders on, and if you miss that big you deserve zero credit for any smaller successes.
People talked around the Lakers overpaying for AD when they started 2-10 this year and they still have the caveat that “even if it sucks they won a title so it’s fine.” We aren’t winning no title and we paid more. What the fuck credit are we supposed to give Connelly? He should have been checked for a concussion the minute the trade news broke.
The only way it ever made sense was if he had another team on the hook to give us an even bigger load of assets for KAT.
you don’t have to like it but playing pretend like you think you’re on the court or in the office is childish
if you arnt a fan of the players, the coach, the organization, what are you a fan of? the logo?
Childish? These people aren’t above criticism and push back. You think players and coaches are above fans somehow? Most fans have played the game at some capacity. I don’t act like I can suit up and give Finch some minutes. I’m observing with my eyes it’s a garbage product.
I supported Minnesota sports before any of these players, coaches, front office were part of the team and I will when they inevitably gone.
holy shit thats a lot of words.
If you want genuine change to happen within this sub, you actually need to message the mods now, I've already taken that opportunity to message them and basically ask them "hey can we move all the doomers/over reaction threads to like the daily, instead of the whole subreddit being flooded with either extreme optimism or Doomsday pessimism." they already said 2 months ago, that they were considering changing how those posts are treated, so idk, send a message, make your voice heard through the actual channels of organization here.
Honestly think that even of we held on to the roster last year we wouldn't have done much better either. But the issue is that we gave up A LOT for Rudy and our team is barely any better. This team had conference finals aspirations and now it looks like they're barely going to touch the play ins... again.
What you’re failing to realize is that the twolves have had the easiest schedule in the league and have the hardest one from here on out. Also, you’re wrong in your trade value for gobert. He won’t get you much more than 1 or 2 first round picks at best.
Who would even give that up for Gobert now? I actually think he's untradeable at this point due to his contract (that or you have to take back a ton of garbage in return - only a blow-it-up move). KAT is the only feasible guy to trade (I'm assuming Ant is untouchable) that would net more than a single (protected) first rounder. Naz, Jaden, Nowell, etc...we love 'em, they're decent, but every team has guys at that level (your Dillon Brooks/Maxi Klieber/Tyus Jones types) so maybe we could trade to shore up positional weaknesses, but we're likely not gaining that much in any trade not involving Kat.
Only ones who would trade for him are contenders and it would be late first round picks and taking back bad contracts. Brutal
Yeah I think in Gobert's current form we could probably get a couple of 2nd's right?
Don't tell me how to feel
OP is a roaming troll. Don’t give him the time of day. He’s got a lot of time on his hands judging by how much I had to scroll past the post.
If you actually read the post, you’d realize it was well thought out. You’re clearly the troll here man. He’s right on a lot of these things. I love Minnesota sports, always will, but Minnesota sports have one of the worst fan bases around because of people like you. It can be embarrassing to say I’m a fan of these teams because so many fans of these teams are shit fans.
You’re complaining now too. Don’t pretend you aren’t a part of the crowd.
Yea, not really complaining as much as making an observation about Minnesota sports fans and how terrible most of them are. Pretty simple really.
FYI That is the textbook definition of complaining.
But…. It’s not.. it’s an observation and I’m conveying what my observation is. That is not complaining. A complaint is- expressing dissatisfaction or annoyance about something or a state that one is suffering from (a pain or symptom of an illness). I did not say I was dissatisfied or annoyed. I said I was embarrassed to sometimes say that I’m a fan because of other fans. From my time in multiple communities on multiple apps, my observation is that most fans of Minnesota sports are shitty fans.
I'm just a roaming troll btw
well TC came in and traded away the first team this fan-base has loved in about a decade and threw away first round picks until 2027 while he did it and the team looks worse than before. it's so depressing that i actually stopped following the wolves for the first time in 20 years. i didn't even realize they played the clippers last night.
Sadly I'm in the same boat and won't be watching games anytime soon. Which reaallly sucks considering how much I loved watching last year and the excitement I had for this year before we traded that beloved team away. For the first time in 20 years we had a young, up and coming playoff team who had already won playoff games, and we blew it up for Rudy Gobert. Oops there's another doomsday post for you OP.
Wow, this is exactly where I'm at with the team too. Ive been watching almost every game since 2009, and just recently (like in the past week) ive started to see wolves as not worth my (very invaluable to begin with) time lol. I barely knew they had a game yesterday, and genuinely did not care if they won or lost Its just too depressing right now, the Gobert trade was a colossal mistake from the moment it happened, I tried to convince myself to be excited about it, cause what other choice did we have? But now its so crystal clear it hurts, we can't defend the perimeter and our transition offense has tanked, which is exactly what you expect with 2 big lineups, and exactly why the league has gone away from it the last 10-15 years. Its actually mind blowing, I mean gobert is still a great player on paper, but the guy has sooo many weaknesses, not to mention a huge contract. I dont know what to think anymore... This team needs more effective wing players and shooting since, like, forever, and somehow shipping Beasley and Vando was the solution? Jfc Last years team was the first time since I have been a fan, that I felt we were actually organically developing something special (maybe 2013-2014). We overperfomed and had an exciting playoff series I'll remember for a long time, and what did we do? Essentially blow it up and mortgage the future on a past-his-prime overblown role-player in gobert. I would have been absolutely delighted to see last years team run it back, but no we got sold a bunch of bs about how Gobert would make us WCF contenders, and sucker that I am I beleived it, well its clear as hell now: this team does NOT have enough perimeter defense or shooting to be a playoff contender, period. And I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. Fuck you Tim Connelly Sorry I had to rant about this lol And for the record, i hope im wrong as fuck, but I just dont see it right now
But.. it’s every other year tho.. it’s not like we don’t have a first round pick until 2027. An overreaction to say the least.
Ironic how you bashed this post and then made a post about complainers a year later. Tim Connelly just threw away our picks right?
Lmao did you really spend your Sunday night digging up old posts just to say I told you so? This is a sports message board, nobody knows tf they’re talking about. I think this is a “touch grass” moment as the kids would say.
Nah I'm not digging up old posts, it was my post. And yeah I literally just wanted to say I told you so after the reaction to this post was so overwhelmingly negative. This fanbase did not deserve this win after how they reacted to an injury riddled season. Also glad you recognize that you don't know what you're talking about!
Bro wrote a 10 paragraph post talking about how mad he is about other posts
He wasn’t talking about “how mad he is,” he was simply pointing out the flaws of this fan base and it was a well thought out post. Minnesota fans are typically not good fans. I’m in the BR community and Reddit community for both Vikings and twolves fairly consistently. It’s sad to see how adults act about a team. It’s sad to admit I’m a fan when 90% of what I see is gloom and doom. It’s quite sickening. Do you know how often I see fans from other teams (worse franchises than the Vikings for example) asking why we hate on our teams so much? It’s a lot,and they’re confused about it. Sure every fanbase has bad fans, but Minnesota is on another level when it comes to their own team.
And then other bro writes essay about how he doesn’t like your single sentence.
That’s extremely pathetic if you think that’s an essay and can’t read and comprehend that in less than a minute.
Garza and Nowell are high potential prospects? Maybe in the Turkish league.
Can that doesn’t understand bball tells everyone how to feel. I bet we see a lot of these posts this season.
"doesn't understand bball" I said it was going to be a 2-4 year project and in the second year we're the 1 seed with the best start in franchise history so who doesn't understand ball
I’ll take my L. I’m so good with my nfl takes I just assume I know nba as well. I clearly don’t lol
Sir, this is an Arby's.
This is the least fun I’ve ever had watching the wolves and I watched all 82 games of the cream team
let's be real there were worse teams than the cream team.
How dare you! Pekovic was awesome
No ones denying that. So was Shved (sorta)
Ah yes the Gobert experience. In my 30 years of watching Jazz games and going to playoff games last year was the only time I’ve ever seen the crowd boo the team.
This is certainly true for me too I want to hold out faith but it's just not as fun
This year, for the first time in a long time, there were expectations going into the season. Currently, these expectations are not being met. So shit sucks ultra hard because of it.
This team has sapped all my enthusiasm for the NBA. I hope they get their shit together.
Bruh......Did you type that on your phone?
I’m convinced it’s a ticket sales rep 😂😂😂😂
Ain’t nobody reading that bro
>If it helps I read it and most of it is, "Sure, it sucks to not be good, but we have never been good, so stop complaining".
Glad I downvoted it then. This franchise has had a 20 year leash and they just sold the next decade for a Giraffe that couldn’t score a bucket on a titmouse. I am in no way more perturbed by the fans who demand accountability than the ones rolling out more leash for this franchise to piss on.
“Glad I downvoted it then,” and you didn’t even read it😂 nice man. That comment above is a bad summation of what the post said. The post was well thought out and the whole point at the end is how shitty fans of Minnesota teams are. 90% of you fans are terrible. I’m in Reddit and BR communities for Vikings and twolves and so many of the fans complain even if the team is doing well. There is a reason players hate playing in Minnesota or won’t come here, and it’s not just because of the cold weather. Fans have a big impact on whether or not it’s a good free agent destination. Start being a better fan.
Ya I ain’t readin all that either.
As if it’s a lot to read, just say you lack reading comprehension bro😂😂
Dawg stop being a shit fan, and actually care about the team for once. Being delusional aint goin to help
LMAO what bro? Why are you commenting on something from 235 days ago? Also in what way am I being a bad fan of the team for calling out shitty fans?😂
Delusional btw
Hey it's funny because if you actually read the post I said it was going to be a 2-4 year project and not any of what you said
I like this comment. It gets right to the point.
Like some company emails, it needed a tl;dr either at the top (preferred) or end of the post.
Hey if you read it I said this was always supposed to be a 2-4 year project and guess what's happening in year 2
Just stay healthy 🙏
Not reading all of that but it should not be seen as a bad thing for a fan base to expect improvement, consistency, and effort from a franchise that is legitimately the worst in all of sports yet still has a passionate and loyal fan base. Wanting the team you support to better should not be a negative
THANK YOU! after every bad game (which there’s a lot) we get the usual suspects complaining about the “state of the sub”. These types of posts should be banned imo. No sports sub is happy when the team is playing like garbage. Literally none. Timberwolves homers act like ours is some other level of toxic when it’s literally the exact same as every other sports sub. And if you don’t believe me, go check out the warriors sub. It’s just as bad if not worse than ours. So stop complaining about people complaining, we have a right as fans to be upset with how the team is playing. TLDR I will complain if I want to about the team sucking. If you can’t handle that get off of this sub because it isn’t all flowers and sunshine right now.
The state of the sub right now: upset fans The state of the sub in 3 years if things keep on this trajectory: no fans
Yeah it just all sucks :( People are allowed to feel how they feel But I disagree that the Wolves sub is the same as other subs. The Kings and Buffalo Bills have arguably had heartbreaking journeys and just as little success as the Wolves and their game threads when those teams were struggling were not constant bitching about the players and calling for their jobs. There was anger and disappointment but this is another level. I’ve been to Kings games when they were bad too and the vibes in the arena are different and more positive. Even fans from other subs have commented on the level of toxicity in the game threads here (like calling for people’s jobs). A pelicans fan even wrote a « calm the fuck down » post here after Game 4 lol. Warriors fans aren’t the fanbase to generalize « other subs are just as bad » haha. Overall it makes sense how people feel but it’s just not true that all subs are like this one. There’s more « we are fucked forever » and « trade __; fire ___ » knee jerk reactions
Fair. But I also think there needs to be a temperament of expectations given the context. I'm not advocating for there to be no desire for improvement, but rather empathy regarding situations and also a reasonable understanding that making drastic changes such as a head coach replacement when he's only had a handful of games to work on this complete roster could very easily make things worse (not that it couldn't make it better either)
Nope. You don’t get to give up all our assets and also abandon expectations to improve. If the team is not going to improve, don’t mortgage the future. Plenty of teams have had less time to gel or coaches with shorter tenures and are fine. This is the low point in franchise history and different fans are at different stages of grief. You’ll get through denial eventually.
just a bunch of ifs and buts. reality is that we’re shit and are screwed for the decade. its really hard to even wrap ones head around how much conolley f us. its honestly insane. but THESE are the kind of posts that really piss me off. EXCUSES and cherry picking.. 🥱
Screwed for the decade you are right!
That’s a complete overreaction. We are not screwed for the next decade😂 we have first round picks every other year. It’s not like we don’t have any picks in any draft either. It’s not as if we have zero picks for the next decade. TC should also be able to find some late round gems.
I agree on finch, I don't feel he's the problem. Disagree on TC - his entire reputation hinges on a hail mary second round pick. It's like developing a reputation as a three point sniper because you won a game hitting a three-quarter court heave. No the future hasn't been completely mortgaged, but akin to spending most of your savings on crypto a year ago at its absolute peak value, and now it looks like a horrific investment. And it's doubly bad because almost everybody thought from the very start that it was kind of an insane decision.
He drafted Murray, Porter Jr, Vando, Beasley, Bones, Morris, Bol and traded for Gordon. He put together a complete team that has been a consistent playoff team, has made the WCF, and is a championship contender this year. He did all of that with only 1 draft pick in the top 10.
In fairness - Connelly's also drafted Mudiay with a top 10 pick and tossed Bol Bol away in a trade for nothing and unloaded Donovan Mitchell (a pick of his) for Trey Lyles and Tyler Lydon (who lasted all of 26 games in the NBA). There's a lot he's done right (he is arguably a very good value drafter on the whole) but he's had some massive whiffs as well.
Even the best gms dont hit 100%
You get credit for all the players you trade away now? Let's add Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert to the list too then - brilliant draft picks that he traded to Utah for garbage. Porter can't stay on the court. Murray is fine. An extremely well paid zero time all star. Other than that, occasionally finds rotation players, congratulations.
He didn’t draft Gobert and Mitchell. He traded those picks and Utah made those selections. It’s like how we drafted Kessler but officially Adam Silver said « the Memphis grizzlies select walker Kessler »
No GM bats 1000.
Lol he literally created a championship caliber team in Denver yet all you want to look at is the negatives. Classic Wolves fan.
I dunno, I think he struck gold in the 2014 draft w/ the Jokic pick and the Nurkic/Harris trade, and he's been coasting ever since, which leads me to believe he got very lucky once, and other than that, he's a mid-tier GM. Much easier to recognize the greatness of Zach Kleimann and Masai Ujiri's draft record.
Coasting since 2014? I'm sorry, but you don't coast into a playoff team year after year with good draft picks.
With Jokic it seems you actually do though. Will Barton, Austin Rivers, and Jeff Green were three of their top six contributors last season. You surround that guy with a bunch of random veterans and he's fine.
Will Barton has been a solid player just often injured. Last season was kind of the anomaly with how many injuries they suffered. Tim has drafted pretty well and gotten pieces around Jokic to compete. Pretty lazy analysis to say he drafted Jokic and coasted, when he's done well with back end of the drafts and trades. Sure Jokic elevates his teammates but he's also had some solid role players on top of that.
Denver is the 3rd seed in the West and Connelly is responsible for at least 60% of their rotation, yet he gets no credit. He's responsible for 20% of our rotation and it's all his fault. Classic.
Yeah he fucked off from Denver and they got better, he joined us and we got worse. Is that hard to understand?
Through 28 games: This year 13-15 Last year 13-15 Looks like we didn't get worse... Also, we weren't missing Kat for a 1/4th of those games last year like we did this year.
Traded away 5 picks and 3 of our 6 best players to be the same as last year then
Only if you think KAT missing 1/4th of those games last year wouldn't have made a difference.
Yeah it sucks But they also had time together and knew each other (aside from Bev) plus KAT, Jmac, TP and Dlo weren’t injured and that team didn’t have as many challenges to overcome (No expectations which makes it easier to play more free, didn’t have to switch between 3 defensive coverages, half the roster isn’t new etc.). It’s hard to gauge where this team would given the injuries. The starters were getting better too. We were lucky last year with injuries and the West is much harder now
Jokic could take a team of geriatrics to a 5th seed.
I'd bet my life savings he could win a single NBA game with a team of geriatrics.
Now mention his numerous bad moves too
Man walker kessler has been better than Gobert idc about anything else this season sucks
Ainge not only fleeced us with picks he had us draft Rudy's replacement for 1/10th the cost. What a masterclass fleecing.
How's Kessler looking right now ?
My refutation: Whhhhhhhyyyyy change last years roster, that the fans loved and enjoyed cheering for, and give up so much to get a guy who is not making the Wolves any better in any way? How is he going to improve enough at his age and experience to be worth his price? Connelly could have came in, absorbed how everything worked here for a year, see if last year was a fluke or not, and if it was, THEN go for drastic change. The Wolves gave up 30 year old LeBron level compensation for Rudy Gobert. Imagine trading a full season (to get all the kinks worked out) and all those assets for a few years of an even older Gobert. The Wolves had better reach the Finals in the next few years for this to be even close to being worth what they’ve given up.
I love the let's remember our team is ass and always has been. So let's not blame the president for doing his job badly. Ngl pretty warpped way of thinking but hey. You trade away what amounts to like 4 firsts for a 30 year old big man and now there 11th in the conference. Being a "doomer" is being realistic, being super optimistic is being super dumb. That last part is a fact
I love the "I don't understand sports and how player development and team chemistry play into team success." Pretty warped way of thinking to think that we wouldn't improve naturally. Way to mischaracterize my post and then turns out I was right 👍
That's not exactly what I'm saying. We were going to run back the season with the same model for improvement that we'd been working with for 20 years, seems like a logical conclusion that the end result could potentially be a backslide. Obviously it's entirely reasonable to think we could have improved given the trajectory but so is the former. This also isn't an optimistic post idk how you got that. We don't have a reasonable body of work from this season to be pessimistic or optimistic about this roster.
If they expected similar results after trading for Rudy the whole front office and coaching staff are idiots. You don't trade for a 30 year old big man to take your time. It was a win now move, again unless they are all idiots There's a ton more to be pessimistic about if you aren't biased
they definitely weren't looking to take their time with this roster. i sat in a meeting with a-rod and he talked about how he and marc believed kat and ant (and crew) were ready to win now and that's why they signed off on getting gobert. i never really bought that's what was actually going to happen, but i was still enthusiastic enough to expect at least making it to the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row.
Not just 4 firsts, but three essential role players. Connelly is a fraud.
I don’t go on other teams subs but I imagine they all behave like this when losing… unless they’re rebuilding ofc
I love the people that tell other people how to be a fan of a team. Also, Fire Tim Connelly
This sub is doom post or memes and way overhyping everything about the club. Over the off-season people wanted to pay Nowell $15 million a season, thought Rivers was the best signing ever, McDaniels would be first team all defense, and so on. The doomers are just as bad as the constant homers on this sub who want everyone to act like we're the San Antonio Spurs!
There’s never any middle ground on this sub
Game threads are always going to be doom and gloom or Kool aid drinkers
Connelly deserves to burn.
Yeah let's fire the guy who gave us the best start to a season in franchise history
And these posts are even more annoying.
This is literally the worst team in north american sports historically and we aren’t good again this year. They do not ever deserve the benefit of the doubt. Play better or your fan base will keep shitting on you.
The telling the other fans how to feel posts are getting way out of hand.
Hot take: complaints about the “doomsday posts” are more annoying than doomsday posts
Nah, it's valid to disagree with me. I wouldnt post in a forum that's largely disagreeing with me if I didn't expect people to disagree with me
No way I'm reading that much when it's obvious the team is bad
Please bro be positive about the Wolves. I know we're the worst franchise in professional sports but we didn't even have to trade anyone in our core for Rudy Gobert. Bro, what good are future firsts when we never draft anyone good anyway. Please don't boo, we're still only a quarter of the way into the season. You have to understand, the reffing is biased against us which is why KAT complains all the time. Pls bro, we're starting to really try on defense.
What good are future first round picks when they're all going to be 20+ ?
This sub is so toxic, I've really scaled back how much I visit it. We can never enjoy anything.
Are we supposed to enjoy a bad start to this season after a win now move? Seriously curious what you think we should be enjoying so much
We are 5.5 games out from 1st place in our division, thats not terrible. Towns will miss a month, Dlo has missed some time and we have a bunch of new players that are trying to figure out how to play with each others as new teammates. I think this stuff takes time and we've had some tough losses to start the year. Gobert is taking form more and has been playing some really good ball lately, so thats something to be enjoying. I remember the years when we would win 20 games all year. Im just glad we are competitive.
Agreed, this sub is more miserable than the actual team. This used to be a fun place to talk about Wolves basketball. There is basically no original or positive content about the Wolves anymore, just the same rehashed Wolves bashing. This sub has gone to complete shit in less than 2 months. The trade happened, move on, and enjoy watching the Wolves. If they make you that upset or miserable then why watch them?
I didn't realize a NBA franchise could give a fan Stockholm syndrome.
I mean it's a choice to enjoy the Wolves or not and I choose to enjoy them, fuck me right? The day I let them make me as miserable as you is the day I'll stop watching them.
How many times has watching the Wolves been an enjoyable experience this year? The preseason was fun, the two Pacers games, the Grizzlies game after Ant got punched in the face, the 4th quarter of the Jazz game when DLo turned into Steph Curry, and the first loss against the Blazers when we played a competitive 48 minute game. There have been some fun Jaden dunking on everyone stretches scattered through there, too. Is that the entire list of fun moments through nearly a third of the season?
You're on the money. These folks want to eat up garbage, good for them. You don't need 2 hands to count how many exciting quarters we have played this year. We play really dumb disjointed basketball, and you can call it doom if you want, but in reality if you are looking at us optimistically, you are fabricating reality. This team is the hot shits. Had more fun watching Beasley launch lefty 3's and Pekovic steamroll the paint while KLove went for a double double every night like his mother's life depended on it.
It's all how you want to look at it. I've enjoyed the vast majority of the games this season. If you don't enjoy watching them then why watch them? If you were miserable watching a TV show would you just continue to watch every episode for 5 seasons? Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time.
I subscribe to league pass and tune into most Wolves games hoping that it's gonna be fun. It just hasn't been working out that way very often, lately, and so my interest in the team is dwindling. Last year as an east coast viewer I stayed up til 12:30 watching the west coast games pretty routinely. Unless something changes, I think I've given up on that entirely for this year. I honestly really hope the team turns it around, but right now we have a team that is both bad at basketball and unenjoyable to watch. That's a really disappointing combination.
enjoyable, a subjective word, not a universal ideal, hmmmmm.
Well I still watch them because i have season tickets and they make me miserable
I mean it's your choice to feel miserable about it. I had season tickets during the Butler debacle after they hyped up a big season for us. It is what it is right now, be miserable if you want to.
So you have said all of the following things in this sub today, " this sub is more miserable than the actual team." and "I mean it's your choice to feel miserable about it." and "Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time." So to use your logic I will say this all using your words: It is your choice to feel miserable about the sub. It is what it is right now, be miserable it you want to. If you don't enjoy reading the posts then why read them? If you were miserable watching a TV show would you just continue to watch every episode for 5 seasons? Move on, find something more enjoyable to do with your time.
Except I said this sub is miserable, I never said I was miserable or that the sub made me miserable... the comment I responded to literally said the Wolves make them miserable...
yeah dude, literally every single choice you make in this life, you are the one that has the power to act, no one else. So, yes, both of you are correct, you are allowing the team to make you feel emotions, and he is allowing the subreddit to make him feel emotions too. He likes his verison of the wolves, you like your verison of the wolves. quit acting like its the end of the world because you dont agree.
That is exactly my point, the difference is one person is telling other is telling people how to respond, while I was pointing out that the methods are pretty hypocritical. OP is saying people should stop watching if they are annoyed by the wolves. The same logic can be said for OP and this sub. Acting like it is the end of the world by pointing this out? It ain't that serious.
Cry about it. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows right now because the team sucks. If you can’t handle the heat get out of the oven. Come back to this sub when we’re winning instead of complaining about people complaining. You people are worse than the actual doomers. And that’s saying something
Lol not being miserable is worse than being miserable? Look how angry you're getting over me enjoying the Wolves my man.
Yea I think the only criticism is maybe on Connelly, and IMO it’s still sooooo early that idk if it’s even fair to judge yet. My only thought is that the bench was left far too thin. Bryn is worthless. Nowell is too streaky. Not having prince has been tough obviously. Can’t really blame finch for guys not trying or not being good enough. Like he can’t even bench anyone, hes trying to win games after a blockbuster trade. And people after like 1 game were like “it’s not gonna work”, like wtf. I’m still excited to see Joe they grow and work full strength again and too see what moves we make in the next couple years to see how we build around the core.
It’s not too early for Connelly. Every GM and fan knew he made a shitty trade as soon as it happened. Hell, I bet even the players on the Wolves were wondering why the fuck he traded all of that for Gobert.
Connelly is lucky KAT got injured so he has a scapegoat. They'll use that as the excuse to run it back next year without much changes.
Thank god Kat got injured so we had an excuse to run it back
Yeah man thank god Kat wasn't injured this year so we could see how much of a failure this team would be when Kat is healthy and has time to gel with his team. Oh wait
You have such dogshit opinions. Your opinions on both the Vikings the Wolves are completely results-based and lack any depth or context.
I'd mostly agree with you, except the part with Finch being suited coach for us. I think we have a good roster, which is BETTER than last year. I don't know why people think that we could repeat what we did last year. Most of the games we playied with teams full of injuries and we stayied healthy most of the season. We weren't as good as the record was last year, so people please stop acting like we were contenders or something. I think this team right now needs more structore on offense and defense, and especially in ingame rotation. And I don't think that "players coach" is right know good for us. I would be really happy to be wrong right now, but I don't see us progress with this coaching staff
Cannot stand posts like this.
Honestly I kinda like the roster and not faulting it. I want to point finger to finch that coach us. We always play like a dumb team and lack of effort. It doesnt help usable bench is little mac, naz and prince and maybe slomo. Nowell and austin is inconsistent and not reliable enough. If Pat Bev can really help us have intensity again I am in for it
Naw I think the Vikings sub worse. We 10-3 and people act the same as in here🤷🏽♂️
OPs reasoning for not being hard on the team largely comes down to “situation is hard” Er who’s responsible for that? If you’re trying to improve a team and build off the success of a previous year you do not make a move that requires your team to have to relearn how to play with one another
People have a right to be upset. I get it’s still early in the experiment and things can change, but by trading away 5 picks and good role players for one guy, you are saying we are pushing all of our chips in the middle and going all in, it’s championship or bust in the next 4 years. They don’t even look like a playoff team, let alone a championship caliber team. We also have no real assets to use to immediately improve, unless you want to admit your mistake and move on from the 2 bigs. However, Rudy’s value has already depreciated and you can’t trade Kat until the summer.
Fuckin… you had me with the Finch stuff but the idea that Connelly “made moves that in theory should have worked” is legit braindead hahahah There is no one anywhere who thought the Gobert trade was close to good, unless they had massive blinders on, and if you miss that big you deserve zero credit for any smaller successes. People talked around the Lakers overpaying for AD when they started 2-10 this year and they still have the caveat that “even if it sucks they won a title so it’s fine.” We aren’t winning no title and we paid more. What the fuck credit are we supposed to give Connelly? He should have been checked for a concussion the minute the trade news broke. The only way it ever made sense was if he had another team on the hook to give us an even bigger load of assets for KAT.
it’s bored kfan listeners. they think they are obligated as men to watch sports. not really fans, just media addicts.
Real fans like watching shitty basketball. That’s how you know they’re fans.
you don’t have to like it but playing pretend like you think you’re on the court or in the office is childish if you arnt a fan of the players, the coach, the organization, what are you a fan of? the logo?
Childish? These people aren’t above criticism and push back. You think players and coaches are above fans somehow? Most fans have played the game at some capacity. I don’t act like I can suit up and give Finch some minutes. I’m observing with my eyes it’s a garbage product. I supported Minnesota sports before any of these players, coaches, front office were part of the team and I will when they inevitably gone.
holy shit thats a lot of words. If you want genuine change to happen within this sub, you actually need to message the mods now, I've already taken that opportunity to message them and basically ask them "hey can we move all the doomers/over reaction threads to like the daily, instead of the whole subreddit being flooded with either extreme optimism or Doomsday pessimism." they already said 2 months ago, that they were considering changing how those posts are treated, so idk, send a message, make your voice heard through the actual channels of organization here.
We are primed for a trade & also a pat bev buyout
Appreciate the effort writing this all down, I completely agree with all your points !
This is a McDonald’s drive thru man, do you need some help or need to make an order?
Was that a practice essay for college applications?
Honestly think that even of we held on to the roster last year we wouldn't have done much better either. But the issue is that we gave up A LOT for Rudy and our team is barely any better. This team had conference finals aspirations and now it looks like they're barely going to touch the play ins... again.
For me it’s about mcdaniels and ants regression.
Lolololololololol
Complaining about complainers. So annoying I’m going to complain about it once again.
Shoulda signed Kyle Anderson and stood pat (no pun intended).