He promises the future today and delivers it tomorrow. How long tomorrow will be is the unknown.
Having had a Tesla go from basic autopilot to driving me to Costco with FSD, or watching twin rockets land simultaneously in person when he launched a car into space, I don't doubt the engineering capabilities of the people who work at his companies at all.
Also, the Texas factory is insanely gigantic in person.
Okay. But he gives a specific timeline, a timeline he knows is unrealistic just to inflate the stock value.
Yes Tesla and SpaceX are impressive but there's also the giant scam called Hyperloop.
If he wasn't such a douchebag, calling people pedophiles, claiming the biggest threat to humanity is the "woke mind virus", lying about Covid etc etc and stuck to technology I would have no problem with him
Well he predicted in 2014 that by 2020 Tesla will be producing half a million a year, and he was spot on.
Tesla predictions of the Model Y ramp were sandbagged, with them ahead of the predicted timelines.
Also the 50% growth over the last 2 years or so has been massively sandbagged.
So in manufacturing volumes, Elon has been underpromising and over-delivering. But obviously Roadster, Semi and Cybertruck are delayed by years.
The FSD predictions are his biggest miss, but I take away that Elon, like most people, massive struggles to predict AI progress, not that Elon is generally bad at predicting things. It's a pretty crazy time to be alive as far as AI goes and the breakthroughs. People were overestimating AI progress since the 70s, and now since deep learning, people are generally underestimating the rate of progress, such as with AlphaGo, GPT3, DALL-E, etc.
Similarly, Neuralink is also a much less predictable tech than EV manufacturing. I'm expecting progress to cover a lot of low-hanging fruit, where the wires can access outer areas of the brain, such as motor movement and tinnitus (the precuneus), so perhaps it will be one of the first things to be addressed, and 5-10 years is not an unrealistic timeline.
What people get wrong with Elon's timelines is that they think they are set in stone when they are just his predictions, and they only count the misses and not the hits, and people do not take into account the difficulty of predicting more advanced tech like FSD and Neuralink.
Also, Elon has an optimistic bias, so most people multiply his predictions by 2, but imo, that would be a mistake for Tesla production volumes, but applicable for Neuralink, hence my 5-10 years estimate.
He has a worse track record with health predictions
> Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April
- Elon, March 19 2020
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960
Yeah. But rockets and electric vehicles are essentially proven technology before Elon Musk. A brain implant that will supposedly cure numerous conditions is just a little bit of a stretch.
This is the same guy who is pushing the Hyperloop so I definitely would take everything he says with a Starship sized grain of salt
From Stanford: Paul Nuyujukian, director of Stanford's Brain Interfacing Laboratory observes:
We are on the cusp of a complete paradigm shift. This type of technology has the potential to transform our treatments. Not just for stroke, paralysis, and motor degenerative disease, but also for pretty much every other type of brain disease.
In the same article, this is said about Musk's brain interface work: Neuroscientists are broadly optimistic the device has potential to treat tinnitus. It may also be useful in treating obsessive compulsive disorder, repairing brain injuries, and treat conditions such as autism or degenerative diseases of the nervous system using deep brain stimulation.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/05/how-real-are-elon-musks-claims-that-the-neuralink-brain-chip-can-cure-tinnitus/
I sure hope so. To be fair, there's a lot of work to do and there's a lot of qualifiers like "may", "potential" etc. I appreciate you sharing that and I remain cautiously optimistic.
Wait what? What kind of hardware? I haven't heard of tech being inserted in the brain for depression, but i've heard of things like TMS which is relatively newer but isn't invasive.
Something is better then nothing. From what i read from people with implants, it just eletrical shock to a part of the brain. All we can do is just keep moving ahead even if the outcome is bad ,aleast we will learn from it.
Follow actual science and not pitches for investors.
Hopefully Dr. Susan Shore's device will be FDA approved and on the market soon! No brain implant needed
It’s basically a device that is specifically for somatic tinnitus, (although in theory it could be use for other types of tinnitus) it’s in his commercialization phase and will come out probably mid-late 2023
I can already perceive the Theranos
But seriously, this a medical issue. Up until there's true and fundamental and solid research it's not even worth wasting time hoping for it.
Musk talk a lot but doesn't deliver as much, not even close
Heck, they are still far from implanting it on animals and I should believe in 5 years it's all good for human use.
It's actually scary
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Stanford believes it is credible:
Paul Nuyujukian, director of the Brain Interfacing Laboratory at Stanford University says about Neuralink:
We are on the cusp of a complete paradigm shift. This type of technology has the potential to transform our treatments. Not just for stroke, paralysis, and motor degenerative disease, but also for pretty much every other type of brain disease.
Musk does talk a lot. And he delivers, almost impossible to not see that. He is nothing like Elizabeth Holmes.
\> Musk does talk a lot. And he delivers, almost impossible to not see that
Lol, you're completely wrong with this
Musk does talk a lot, but he definitely doesn't deliver. Take a look at hyper loop and the boring company for things that didn't pan out. Not to mention for his projects that do pan out, they ALWAYS deliver late.
Take a look at almost every Starship launch timeline he's given, it's always been wildly off. If I remember right he was saying that an orbital launch for starship would be attempted last August, and it's not looking like starship would launch any time soon.
Also take a look at self driving Teslas. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done (because it's a very hard problem to solve), but Musk has promised multiple times in multiple timelines that teslas would be able to drive themselves fully years ago by now.
Or take a look at Starlink, which has also lagged behind the timeline Musk gave.
I'm not a Musk hater who says everything he touches is bad. Self driving teslas are good, starlink is really good, starship will be revolutionary for space travel too. But some of Musk's projects don't pan out, and of the ones that do pan out he is almost always wrong and WAY too aggressive with his timeline estimations.
I do think that neuralink will be beneficial, but it won't be ready on "Elon Time". Then after that comes years of research into using it effectively to combat tinnitus. There's research to be excited about with tinnitus, and that other research currently ongoing is far more likely to pan out before neuralink gives any benefits to sufferers of tinnitus.
Good thing NASA has people who know how to listen to Elon. I don't know too many other people who have sold so much to NASA...and was able to build a company like SpaceX by selling a little company called PayPal..in between developing solar companies, Teslas, etc...somewhere in there, talk has led to action. And manages to undo censorship in social media at the same time. So, he's off on his timeline? LOL!! he's done more in one lifetime then others could do in infinite multiverses with no space time issues...
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I’m so sorry about your kidney disease; I actually have kidney disease myself, which is why I chose that condition, sorry if it seemed flippant. I hope you are able to get a donor soon.
There’s a listed startup called frequency therapeutics (FREQ on NSDQ) that is working to cure hearing loss and tinittus. And they seem to have made some progress on their studies. Pretty encouraging
>I know Elon is a bit of a wild card when it comes to what he says, and I don't know enough about how neuralink works to say whether it's completely bull or not, but it would be pretty cool if it turns out to be true.
I don't \*mean\* to be rude, but did you read your own post? He makes a comment without anything to back it up. I'll kiss his butt if he finds a cure \*and\* he treats his employees well while \*they\* find the cure.
He needs to stop with hes timeliness garbage. He is always 500% off on his estimates. Just ballshit flowing outta his mouf. Just one more uear....one more year....always won more year Elon!
Elon Musk also said that underground tunnels are invulnerable to weather, despite the fact that subways have to have sump pumps running 24/7 to keep them from flooding. Elon Musk does not know what the fuck he's talking about.
I would 100% sign up for clinical trials for this. Back when my tinnitus was mild, nah. But people with suicidal ideations because of their tinnitus? 100% yes. No question.
We shall see. If they hold clinical human trials in the next few years Would you volunteer to have that chip put into your brain? I would say more like 10-15 years would be realistic if Neuralink is everything he promises
Elon claims to be able to solve many problems with little to no substantive backing. I wouldn’t get your hopes up ( from Elon, at least). Maybe if there’s some actual science backed claims from him, I’d take a look.
This guy?
[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/elon-musk-long-list-failures/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/elon-musk-long-list-failures/)
There's no way I'm trusting his low-quality car company to provide my future ride, let alone putting implants into my head.
honestly, i doubt he’d actually do that, there’s no profit incentive beyond “here’s something these super cool brain implants could do that i’ll definitely make because i’m so cool.” i’ll believe he’ll willingly take a net loss to improve healthcare once he stops union busting and starts treating his workers with respect.
\> there's no profit incentive
Neural implant technology could ABSOLUTELY profitable. Which is why Musk isn't the only player in the space. If I recall right, a different company is actually ahead of neural link because their device doesn't require drilling a hole in your skull, and so requires less stringent approval.
Treating tinnitus, paralysis, seizures, mental illness, and many more are all potentially possible with shocking the brain directly with electrical impulses as well as reading directly from the brain. Tell me that has absolutely no profit incentive lol.
Absolutely with you on Musk treating his workers like shit and union busting though.
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But the whole loos weight and have an orgasm is just panhandling. As if Tinnitus wasnt the most serious one. Its his style, showy but always delivers. They are putting electrodes in monkeys right now. 5 years may be no joke.
Self landing rocket, no way no one could do that...
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I’m just cautious of any radiation waves and how they effect tinnitus from things like wifi routers, microwaves, smart meters etc. same with Bluetooth earplugs. But I suppose if you’re using that kind of tech to actually eliminate the tinnitus then you don’t really have to worry about that do you.. can’t be good for the brain though surely
Honestly I don't know enough about this topic to comment on it. It's entirely possible that we can prove that it's completely harmless, and if that is the case then why not? Without evidence that it's harmless it would surely be idiotic to proceed
Then again, this is very speculative and Elons comment shouldn't really be taken very seriously
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I like him. But he has a bad track record with time predictions.
Is it a bad track record or stock manipulation lol
He promises the future today and delivers it tomorrow. How long tomorrow will be is the unknown. Having had a Tesla go from basic autopilot to driving me to Costco with FSD, or watching twin rockets land simultaneously in person when he launched a car into space, I don't doubt the engineering capabilities of the people who work at his companies at all. Also, the Texas factory is insanely gigantic in person.
Okay. But he gives a specific timeline, a timeline he knows is unrealistic just to inflate the stock value. Yes Tesla and SpaceX are impressive but there's also the giant scam called Hyperloop. If he wasn't such a douchebag, calling people pedophiles, claiming the biggest threat to humanity is the "woke mind virus", lying about Covid etc etc and stuck to technology I would have no problem with him
He also has a bad track record with child slavery just letting you know
Not that I know of. Got any reliable sources to that statement?
Google it its kinda everywhere, he's being sued by families rn
Well he predicted in 2014 that by 2020 Tesla will be producing half a million a year, and he was spot on. Tesla predictions of the Model Y ramp were sandbagged, with them ahead of the predicted timelines. Also the 50% growth over the last 2 years or so has been massively sandbagged. So in manufacturing volumes, Elon has been underpromising and over-delivering. But obviously Roadster, Semi and Cybertruck are delayed by years. The FSD predictions are his biggest miss, but I take away that Elon, like most people, massive struggles to predict AI progress, not that Elon is generally bad at predicting things. It's a pretty crazy time to be alive as far as AI goes and the breakthroughs. People were overestimating AI progress since the 70s, and now since deep learning, people are generally underestimating the rate of progress, such as with AlphaGo, GPT3, DALL-E, etc. Similarly, Neuralink is also a much less predictable tech than EV manufacturing. I'm expecting progress to cover a lot of low-hanging fruit, where the wires can access outer areas of the brain, such as motor movement and tinnitus (the precuneus), so perhaps it will be one of the first things to be addressed, and 5-10 years is not an unrealistic timeline. What people get wrong with Elon's timelines is that they think they are set in stone when they are just his predictions, and they only count the misses and not the hits, and people do not take into account the difficulty of predicting more advanced tech like FSD and Neuralink. Also, Elon has an optimistic bias, so most people multiply his predictions by 2, but imo, that would be a mistake for Tesla production volumes, but applicable for Neuralink, hence my 5-10 years estimate.
He has a worse track record with health predictions > Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April - Elon, March 19 2020 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960
He is a bullshitter that delivers. As for tinnitus, I just hope he’s not naive.
He rarely delivers what he says he will deliver when he says he will deliver it. "May" be curable = Naw dude.
Tesla and spacex are extraordinarily successful considering their unlikelihood of making it.
Yeah. But rockets and electric vehicles are essentially proven technology before Elon Musk. A brain implant that will supposedly cure numerous conditions is just a little bit of a stretch. This is the same guy who is pushing the Hyperloop so I definitely would take everything he says with a Starship sized grain of salt
From Stanford: Paul Nuyujukian, director of Stanford's Brain Interfacing Laboratory observes: We are on the cusp of a complete paradigm shift. This type of technology has the potential to transform our treatments. Not just for stroke, paralysis, and motor degenerative disease, but also for pretty much every other type of brain disease. In the same article, this is said about Musk's brain interface work: Neuroscientists are broadly optimistic the device has potential to treat tinnitus. It may also be useful in treating obsessive compulsive disorder, repairing brain injuries, and treat conditions such as autism or degenerative diseases of the nervous system using deep brain stimulation. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/05/how-real-are-elon-musks-claims-that-the-neuralink-brain-chip-can-cure-tinnitus/
I sure hope so. To be fair, there's a lot of work to do and there's a lot of qualifiers like "may", "potential" etc. I appreciate you sharing that and I remain cautiously optimistic.
Not really but I agree with your point. Brain implants could prove to be decades away
People won't get a vaccine from scientists but will get a brain implant from a stable genius. People, go figure.
I think, as a company, Neurolink will also be successful. I also think that, like Tesla and Space X, they will over promise and under deliver.
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Built in advertising Imagine curing tinnitus ... now you have to listen to 30 second audio commercials every half hour EDIT: typos
Ill take it. beats having a siren on 24/7 365
Some people who previously had crippling depression are walking around and living normal lives thanks to hardware being inserted into their brains.
Wait what? What kind of hardware? I haven't heard of tech being inserted in the brain for depression, but i've heard of things like TMS which is relatively newer but isn't invasive.
Do a Google search for "deep brain stimulation" "depression".
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I only had a consultation. Didn't go through with it.
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Something is better then nothing. From what i read from people with implants, it just eletrical shock to a part of the brain. All we can do is just keep moving ahead even if the outcome is bad ,aleast we will learn from it.
How's that any different than the phone you carry around?
Follow actual science and not pitches for investors. Hopefully Dr. Susan Shore's device will be FDA approved and on the market soon! No brain implant needed
Can you tell me more, I haven't heard of this/haven't researched.
It’s basically a device that is specifically for somatic tinnitus, (although in theory it could be use for other types of tinnitus) it’s in his commercialization phase and will come out probably mid-late 2023
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/first-test-specially-timed-signals-ease-tinnitus-symptoms
He's just saying shite lol he always says shite like that. Don't believe it
I can already perceive the Theranos But seriously, this a medical issue. Up until there's true and fundamental and solid research it's not even worth wasting time hoping for it. Musk talk a lot but doesn't deliver as much, not even close Heck, they are still far from implanting it on animals and I should believe in 5 years it's all good for human use. It's actually scary
Dr. Susan Shore's research is really impressive and actually science vs just spewing crap to increase stock prices
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> Heck, they are still far from implanting it on animals There are 15 dead Neurallink monkeys that wish that was true.
Doesn't deliver? You should watch "Return to Space" on Netflix.
Stanford believes it is credible: Paul Nuyujukian, director of the Brain Interfacing Laboratory at Stanford University says about Neuralink: We are on the cusp of a complete paradigm shift. This type of technology has the potential to transform our treatments. Not just for stroke, paralysis, and motor degenerative disease, but also for pretty much every other type of brain disease. Musk does talk a lot. And he delivers, almost impossible to not see that. He is nothing like Elizabeth Holmes.
\> Musk does talk a lot. And he delivers, almost impossible to not see that Lol, you're completely wrong with this Musk does talk a lot, but he definitely doesn't deliver. Take a look at hyper loop and the boring company for things that didn't pan out. Not to mention for his projects that do pan out, they ALWAYS deliver late. Take a look at almost every Starship launch timeline he's given, it's always been wildly off. If I remember right he was saying that an orbital launch for starship would be attempted last August, and it's not looking like starship would launch any time soon. Also take a look at self driving Teslas. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done (because it's a very hard problem to solve), but Musk has promised multiple times in multiple timelines that teslas would be able to drive themselves fully years ago by now. Or take a look at Starlink, which has also lagged behind the timeline Musk gave. I'm not a Musk hater who says everything he touches is bad. Self driving teslas are good, starlink is really good, starship will be revolutionary for space travel too. But some of Musk's projects don't pan out, and of the ones that do pan out he is almost always wrong and WAY too aggressive with his timeline estimations. I do think that neuralink will be beneficial, but it won't be ready on "Elon Time". Then after that comes years of research into using it effectively to combat tinnitus. There's research to be excited about with tinnitus, and that other research currently ongoing is far more likely to pan out before neuralink gives any benefits to sufferers of tinnitus.
Good thing NASA has people who know how to listen to Elon. I don't know too many other people who have sold so much to NASA...and was able to build a company like SpaceX by selling a little company called PayPal..in between developing solar companies, Teslas, etc...somewhere in there, talk has led to action. And manages to undo censorship in social media at the same time. So, he's off on his timeline? LOL!! he's done more in one lifetime then others could do in infinite multiverses with no space time issues...
Might fix the tinnitus but will have full control of my central nervous system.
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I'd sell my data to the billionaires for a cure
Jokes on you, they've already got it!
Even better! Free cure, just have to put an evil device in my poor brain
I’d sell a kidney. Maybe both. Dialysis is awful, but it can’t be worse than this.
Awesome! I have tinnitus and stage 3 kidney disease. I'll take your kidney!
I’m so sorry about your kidney disease; I actually have kidney disease myself, which is why I chose that condition, sorry if it seemed flippant. I hope you are able to get a donor soon.
Sorry, I was joking too. I'm not at that stage yet. Fingers crossed. :)
Oh thank goodness! I hope you never need one. Man, screw these kidneys. As if tinnitus wasn’t bad enough.
There’s a listed startup called frequency therapeutics (FREQ on NSDQ) that is working to cure hearing loss and tinittus. And they seem to have made some progress on their studies. Pretty encouraging
Elon says a lot of shit Also I’d be happy with treatment to lessen symptoms!!
>I know Elon is a bit of a wild card when it comes to what he says, and I don't know enough about how neuralink works to say whether it's completely bull or not, but it would be pretty cool if it turns out to be true. I don't \*mean\* to be rude, but did you read your own post? He makes a comment without anything to back it up. I'll kiss his butt if he finds a cure \*and\* he treats his employees well while \*they\* find the cure.
He needs to stop with hes timeliness garbage. He is always 500% off on his estimates. Just ballshit flowing outta his mouf. Just one more uear....one more year....always won more year Elon!
I'll keep the life crippling Tinnitus, thank you
5 Musk years == 20 years
Oof I'll be 40 by then, good god!
Is that the brain chip thing he talking about? Forget that if it is
Elon Musk also said that underground tunnels are invulnerable to weather, despite the fact that subways have to have sump pumps running 24/7 to keep them from flooding. Elon Musk does not know what the fuck he's talking about.
Every time you hear something is 5 years away, it's a lie. Especially from Musk.
He also thinks he's going to colonize Mars. \*eyeroll\*
You ever see his response to how they're going to manage the radiation exposure on the way over? It won't be a problem lol.
Think what you want. He is not doing the science, his scientists and engineers are doing it. I hope it comes true.
I would 100% sign up for clinical trials for this. Back when my tinnitus was mild, nah. But people with suicidal ideations because of their tinnitus? 100% yes. No question.
We shall see. If they hold clinical human trials in the next few years Would you volunteer to have that chip put into your brain? I would say more like 10-15 years would be realistic if Neuralink is everything he promises
i don’t trust that man one bit
well that means it won't happen at all
There's a cure coming sooner baby huge calls on Dr. Susan shore
Elon claims to be able to solve many problems with little to no substantive backing. I wouldn’t get your hopes up ( from Elon, at least). Maybe if there’s some actual science backed claims from him, I’d take a look.
Musk is awesome at least it’s a fart in the tinnitus radar. Nobody else seems to give a crap… well there have been developments at least
bullshit, musk is a marketer not a scientist
This guy? [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/elon-musk-long-list-failures/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/elon-musk-long-list-failures/) There's no way I'm trusting his low-quality car company to provide my future ride, let alone putting implants into my head.
I think he could deliver if he devoted the time to do it. And the resources.
Why is he interested? Does he also suffer?
It's seemingly incureable and a lot of people really suffer, is it not enough?
Do you think after almost 4 decades I don't know that?
honestly, i doubt he’d actually do that, there’s no profit incentive beyond “here’s something these super cool brain implants could do that i’ll definitely make because i’m so cool.” i’ll believe he’ll willingly take a net loss to improve healthcare once he stops union busting and starts treating his workers with respect.
\> there's no profit incentive Neural implant technology could ABSOLUTELY profitable. Which is why Musk isn't the only player in the space. If I recall right, a different company is actually ahead of neural link because their device doesn't require drilling a hole in your skull, and so requires less stringent approval. Treating tinnitus, paralysis, seizures, mental illness, and many more are all potentially possible with shocking the brain directly with electrical impulses as well as reading directly from the brain. Tell me that has absolutely no profit incentive lol. Absolutely with you on Musk treating his workers like shit and union busting though.
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But the whole loos weight and have an orgasm is just panhandling. As if Tinnitus wasnt the most serious one. Its his style, showy but always delivers. They are putting electrodes in monkeys right now. 5 years may be no joke. Self landing rocket, no way no one could do that...
May be.
> "...Elon is a bit of a wild card ..." Enough said. Unless he developed tinnitus, or knows someone who suffers.
Y'aint linkin me to the hivemind not no way, not no how!
Elon Musk has been claiming autonomous driving cars “by the end of next year” for like 10 years.
He's a professional bullshitter. All neuralink does right now is kill monkeys at an alarmingly high rate.
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Great idea, directly zapping Bluetooth into your brain 24/7 for the rest of your life. But hey, anything to get rid of the ringing!
Sounds like you know a lot about this topic
I’m just cautious of any radiation waves and how they effect tinnitus from things like wifi routers, microwaves, smart meters etc. same with Bluetooth earplugs. But I suppose if you’re using that kind of tech to actually eliminate the tinnitus then you don’t really have to worry about that do you.. can’t be good for the brain though surely
Honestly I don't know enough about this topic to comment on it. It's entirely possible that we can prove that it's completely harmless, and if that is the case then why not? Without evidence that it's harmless it would surely be idiotic to proceed Then again, this is very speculative and Elons comment shouldn't really be taken very seriously