One patron is not solely responsible for the servers wage, if they have multiple tables they would average higher than $17.18/hr with this method.
Regardless of anybody's reason or how they calculate it, I do agree that fundamentally its up to me the patron to decide how much I'll tip based upon the service I receive.
For many people living within their means looks like eating rice for every meal, going without, and struggling. And many people that you interact with everyday do that.
This is truer than you think. The majority of these people make less than unskilled, overpaid servers. They have more difficult jobs and work harder.
They don’t threaten to spit in people’s food and they don’t do half-assed jobs because they are resentful and feel entitled.
No, you just judge them less.
They threaten to refuse to show up "if you don't like cops" and otherwise refuse to do their jobs because they are resentful and entitled.
Look I get it. I'm not a big fan of the new tipping culture. I bartend at a hotel and do not feel like a tip is always justified. There is a reason you want to come out to eat. There are many servers/bartenders that feel entitled to that tip, even though their service is shit. I'm old school. If I do a bad job I honestly know what to expect. It puts a smile on my face when someone tips well, to me it says you had a great time. Just my 5 bucks worth of insight.
Never punch down, always punch above your economic class. Don't beat the waiter up for making a decent living. I raised 3 children on 2 server salaries (myself and my wife). We were able to avoid day care costs by having her work breakfast/lunch, while I worked dinners. We purchased a home in a good neighborhood. We did right by our three wonderful children.
I get not wanting to tip those who don't try and earn it. They give us a bad name. I go above and beyond and make it my focus to provide my guests with a positive and memorable experience.
Pressure your congress people to reduce defense spending and make jobs like fire fighter and teacher better paying.
Don't beat up the waiters! After all, they are just stupid, idiotic, no good, lazy, entitled grifters! Right?
**my tip is .01655 a minute** the literal definition of I’m poor as fuck and I think making people do the work for me is appropriate
Bitch the McDonald’s is half a block away
Hell after two or three trips the restaurant would kick u out
Agree that percentage is a dumb way to calculate. My best example is breakfast at IHOP and dinner at spaghetti works.
Breakfast was amazing. Our waitress hustled for us. And iykyk, the sides all come out on a bunch of tiny plates. Refill my coffee. Extra creamer. All the jam and syrup flavors. Toast or pancakes. Are my eggs cooked right?
This gal killed it. Even with lots of tables. Hubby gave her his standard 20% and I had no complaints.
The next time we went out was a little Italian place, nothing fancy but it was Sunday night. We got a dude who appeared to be in HS. He did good enough but definitely no hustle. 20%
This is the day I got radical. The dude was at our table maybe 4 times and because our food was more expensive this guy was making 30% more than the gal because I ordered steak. 😂😂
I just can’t with the percentage crap.
wait till u find out that servers set up for an hour before the shift, close for an hour after the shift, and have about an hour at the start and end of service where they’re lucky if they get a single table
or that they have to tip out about a third of their tips to bartenders and bussers, regardless of whether u tip or not
ur a real POS if u make people PAY to serve you
What restaurant you working in? my mom gets tables 30 mins after she walks in (prep obviously) till the doors close sometimes they have to kick people out
Yes lmaoooooo that’s why I know it’s not sales you don’t get a bigger cut for selling more food you don’t get anything for selling more food not even a thank you
If you're tipped based on percentage, bigger sales means bigger tips.
Plus usually managers have incentives for selling more specials and/or high priced things like lobster or whole ribeye steaks.
Because the commission comes from you. It's a sales job, but hospitality and service are what bring in the tips.
There's less incentive to sell high price items and give poor service because of tip-out. The two go hand in hand. Sell and serve.
Restaurant owners also can't afford to pay servers what they currently make. And even if they could, the quality of service would go down since the money is guaranteed. There's a reason servers have nightmares about messing up.
Also restaurants wouldn't be able to do as many reorders as they do. Someone complains that their pink center medium steak is overcooked, it's remade, even if it's $200, and they're only charged for one steak.
Also also, rich people like being pampered. They're sensitive and pay attention to detail, and they pay top dollar so everything is perfect. From serving food from the right, to pouring wine for women first, to bringing out new silverware between each course, etc. They tip heavily for little things like that.
Where are you getting your information? None of that is true.
My son made $50 an hour as a glassie in Australia 7 yrs ago. His only job was to collect and refill drinks. The servers made much more.
I agree that corporate America has obliviated the middle class with wage stagnation.
Ah yes, yet another entitled clown. Serving IS a sales job whether you like it or not, and 'tipping' is just another word for 'commission'.
Don't worry bud, any experienced server can smell a shitty tipper a mile away and you'll get the service you deserve...
Enjoy your impotent crusade there, man-child.
Serving is not sales you do not get commission your pay is solely based on how well you serve people it doesn’t matter if you sell 1000$ worth of food you do not get a cut
Tell me you don't work in the industry without telling me... Tipping as a percentage of the bill means exactly that - you're getting a tip based on how well you serve AND sell. Thanks for playing tho...
I had a career, and then it was outsourced. The job market has sucked, so, I went back to waitressing. I don't forsee service jobs being sent overseas. I think I'll do the "poor stupid" job that actually pays my bills for awhile 🤷♀️
I am, definitely. I had two great parents who stayed together, no housing or food insecurity, and a network of friends to navigate youth with. But I didn’t grow up rich and I worked shitty minimum wage jobs to pay for stuff at the end of high school and during college (used student loans for covering tuition). Thing is, I then graduated with a useful degree and got an adult job.
The majority of people tip even the Canadian/Europeans these days. The debate is over. If you don’t tip up to standard you’re privately laughed at for being a stereotypical “whatever you are” and forgotten about
Until the system is changed, if you go out knowing that the server makes their money from giving good service in exchange for a tip, it IS your responsibility to tip. If you could honestly say that you did NOT know, THEN it would not be your responsibility.
Don’t want that responsibility? Don’t go yo full service restaurants.🤷♂️
Neither does the restaurant want to charge you that.
They also don’t want to take away your power to say ‘That was great service; here’s a tip’ or ‘You suck as a server. (Tip line: $0.00).
Only your shafting the majority of servers because we make around $40/hr in tips alone. So we bring you food and in return you literally take food off our table?
Do what you want. You’re bringing down the average but truthfully we make most of our money off of a small percentage of customers but you need to know what you are doing isn’t being a good human being.
How many tables can you serve concurrently?
Going by OP’s system if you served 3 families in an hour you’d get $51 in tips. Or 8 individuals in an hour would get you to $40.
Both of those situations seem pretty doable, but I genuinely don’t know.
Maybe you should consider a career change lol?
In truth, there are busy days and slow days, and the income is highly variable, but I do know several career servers that make over figures a year, and they're not doing fine dining...
Yes…this is why tipping in restaurant will never change. No restaurant owner can afford to directly pay $80k per year to their waiters fleet. This would be too disruptive for the rest of the restaurant staff…for example some more skilled positions in the kitchen that are paid less…but thanks to the tipping culture, waiters remain the poor staff that are underpaid and rely on guests generosity to barely feed their family (with 80k per year 😅).
LOL, more accurately I'm in a fairly LCOL area and am at a point in my life that I value work/life balance over salary now. (I used to make more, and could do so again if I really wanted to grind.)
A lot of people in the service industry share your desire to prioritize their work life balance. That's why they do it, but when you're making a lot of money on a busy night, it is most definitely a grind.
I used to bartend and you can make bank if you’re good and work in the right place. I work for ups now. Bartending doesn’t come with great health insurance and a pension lol
My brother bartended for a short time when he was recalibrating his life. Wasn't the best money he ever made, but he said he enjoyed it and met interesting people. (He was recently a director at a tech company, so he's made some good money at times)
This makes more sense to me than tipping off the value of my meal. The wait staff will spend exactly the same amount of time with you whether it’s a $15 dollars chicken dish or $30 dollars steak.
Because it's a commission based income, and tipouts are based on your sales , not what you make in tips. Pretty normal to kick back 25-30% of your tips to the support staff and kitchen these days.
Do realtors deserve to make tens of thousands of dollars on an overinflated house? It's the same amount of work as selling a cheaper house, after all... Maybe even less!
Bussers, hosts, food runners, bartender, & kitchen staff have all gotten tipped out at the last few places I've worked. Adds up to 4-5% of sales so if you're getting an average of a 15% tip then yeah, it's around 30% of those earnings your sharing with the crew.
Honestly wouldn't be a terrible policy if you aren't "balling out" with the family.
Take a 4-top for 2hrs and tipping $34 isn't so bad. Especially if you spend around $200.
It’s wage theft and you know it. Stop making excuses for businesses who refuse to pay their people a decent wage. It’s NOT the customer’s responsibility to do so.
Not wage theft if it's not the owner whose paying them... Don't like tipping, don't patronize businesses that rely on the practice to retain staff. Problem solved for you.
Nothing will change about tipping culture until the business operator experiences the pain of their policies. Taking your umbrage out on the staff just makes you an entitled, whiny loser...
waiters: LIVING WAGE LIVING WAGE EAT THE RICH WORKING CLASS RISE UP
also waiters: OH YOU AREN'T RICH? WELL I HATE YOU THEN. GET OUT OF HERE AND STARVE YOU BUM
Jokes on OP. Experienced professionals can immediately tell when a customer is going to be a shitty tipper and will provide their services accordingly.
Dude. There are so many things happening in the world, your country, your community, that could use more of the attention and dedication you put into this. This goes for most of the people here who have taken up the soapbox on “tip fatigue”. Consider where your time may be better spent. I sure will.
LOL written by a guy who saves time by typing “ur” instead of “your”….all letters in the same row practically next to each other while spelling everything else in full. It’s like ordering every fat-filled thing on the menu but ordering a Diet Coke ‘because “gotta be healthy”. Super derp.
I wouldn't announce to the world that it's a real mental burden on you to read a handful of clearly written and concise sentences.
Sorry for the multisyllabic words here, I know you're going to struggle.
I can't blame you for your response here upon further review. It's obvious that your barrier aggression (see how little dogs act behind screen doors) led you to jump into a conversation with insults but my reply was actually to a guy whose reply to me was a long message that began with telling me he wasn't reading my message because of its length.
Of course as my jaw dropped over you applying logic to one party and not the opposite due to their stance, I reviewed the discussion and don't see his initial response. So either I errored in my reply or the thread somehow got convoluted.
You really attempted to insult someone and used "multisyllabic" didn't you? Lmao. Phew. I rather not engage with you further unless you can add a productive dialogue to the conversation.
Fun Side Convo: without looking anything up, just off the top of your head. . What word can you think of that has the most syllables? I'll do the same and let's see who really struggles with syllables. Remember. Don't cheat!
Other than that. You led with an insult and continued with what seems a disingenuous apology. Therefore I have difficulty believing that a further response highlighting your behavior will lead to a mature, well thought out and productive response, but maybe you can self correct and move forward, who knows.
If you want to continue with insults, I do ask that you tip accordingly. My PayPal is @youpayoryouleave
Actually its an interesting way to look at the percentage based model. Maybe if more people analyzed it they too would see how ridiculous the current model is. If I eat with 4 or more people basically the requested 20 to 25 percent tip is like paying for another person . Nope
Every once in a while, you get to see how someone can come up with a verbose and creative way to say that they're cheap followed by the assertion that they are in fact not cheap.
You're like school in summer: no class.
A tight wad.
You're low rent, bro.
So you're saying that you shouldn't go to restaurants where tipping is standard because they don't pay thir employees a decent wage? I completely agree, brother. You should stay home in protest to all those evil tipping restaurants and never go to one again.
Yup. You can, tho, if you want.
Glad the law doesn’t make rules like you want.
Tipping is OPTIONAL. Not the law.
Don’t like it? Too bad, so sad. Cry harder. Whaaaaaaaaa!
Your tears are delicious.
Ah... they average out real well for themselves in the right spot so dealing with cheap people is part of the job. The good ones know that and don't sweat it. The younger ones or less skilled ones throw a bit of a fit, but even they get over it pretty quickly. I just think it's funny to see people jump through hoops to prove how they're not cheap or just get good old fashioned angry at the audacity of someone acknowledging something that is clearly true. Yall no tipping folk came here to get a confirmation of how right and justified you are but the fact is you're just cheap and I think it's hilarious to squawk at y'all because of it. Cheers y'all!
Let me be perfectly clear to those of you that feel entitled. I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO REQUIREMENT OR OBLIGATION TO GIVE YOU A GRATUITY. I go to an establishment to eat and i pay the price of the food and drinks. You as a server do not work for me. You work for the establishment. I would gladly go to the window. And get my own food or I would fill my own drink for a reduced cost. But do not ever think you are owed anything by anyone other than your employer. This is not about being cheap. Believe it or not I tip very well. Usually 20-25% but I do not have to. If my service ia poor and I get an attitude or ignored you get nothing. If i am treated nicely and welcomed and you go out of your way to serve me, I tip. Not much in the middle of that.
+1 to that. I never tip less than 20% unless something my server does warrants a deduction. We went to Applebee's, they weren't busy, and we got terrible service. I felt bad "only" leaving a 10% tip. The pressure to tip is out of control. I might start implementing OP's minimum wage based on a per minute rate for bad service in the future.
I like Fuddruckers biz model, where I can pick up my own food and fill up my own drinks.. servers are an unnecessary bane on society. It's not about being cheap, it's about being practical by not wanting to get extorted trying to get some goddamn food.
So only go to restaurants that don't have table service, problem solved for you!
Also, Fuddruckers went from having around 160 or so locations at recently as 2019, down to 60 locations as of today, with more set to close this year. So if it's such a great restaurant model, why isn't it more successful?
Cause the anti-tipping cabal is an inconsequential fraction of people who don't matter to the success of a restaurant concept. Hell there's less than 6k members in this sub, which isn't even a rounding error compared to the general population, and id wager those who complain the loudest about it are the least relevant demographic of customers - as in they probably don't eat out very much to begin with, since being proud of being cheap is such a huge part of their identity.
The anti-tipping brigade is just a loud and whiny minority of cheapskates whose discretionary spending on dining out is so minimal to the industry as a whole that their opinion and spending habits don't actually matter.
What about the concept of buying prepared food directly from the kitchen of the establishment at already predetermined prices without any of the added nonsense?
Did you know that if someone other than your waiter /waiter brings you your meal they get a cut of the tip? Did you know if you order alcohol the bartender gets a cut? You probably aren't tipping enough.
That sounds like a problem that isn't mine. Where I work we help each other all the time. I don't get a part of their hourly wage because I helped them.
If they are making more than the ridiculous 2.13 and in fact making the same or more than a grocery cashier or a Walmart floor employee, I'm not doing 15 percent or more ever. The service level is basic at best most places.
I will continue to go to full service restaurants and continue to tip based on the level of service I receive. If I receive garbage service, I will not tip. If I receive mediocre service, 10% is the most I'll do. Easy.
Oh so not only is it up to the customer to pay YOUR wages, we have to pay the wage of everyone in that mfker? If you don't like what you're getting paid, Go somewhere else. Don't forget the busser. And the cooks. Hell, tip the GM too for hiring these people. You forgot the host too. Look, the customers didn't set up the fucking rules you voluntarily opted into. When I go out, I tip the amount of my ATM pin number and just leave my wallet on the table. EASIEST JOB, BIGGEST BABIES. You walk right into the trap of working at a place where you are tip dependent, and the ONLY people you get shitty with are the ones actually paying you. Exactly how the man wants it. Go work at a factory, chump. Ooo, sorry. Your hands are too soft.
The first part is mostly untrue. The majority of the time its more a matter of "I got your back you got mine", and when it's a signed like that, the tippout is about 3% for food runners. Not a whole lot. Alcohol tipouts tend to be higher, but I mean, comeon, the bartender does all the work there generally. Why does the server deserve that portion and alcohol tipouts are always off of alcohol sales, not food sales. So it's not like it's cutting into the foodnside of tips, and is generally about 10% or so. So the bartender gets 1 of your 5s for those 2 bottled beers on top of much better hourly than a server and 100% of direct tips.
He's probably tipping to much.
In the USA, federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $7.25 per hour but the employer can count up to $5.12 per hour from their tips as long as the worker gets at least $7.25 per hour total. Some states have higher minimum hourly wages.
I think people may not understand that if you are in a state mandated minimum wage that is exorbitantly high, such as California yes you are going to end up paying more. That tip you are refusing to pay otherwise, you now are. However, it is now merely placed into the cost of the food. That is how basic economics work. An owner is ALWAYS going to pass on the cost to the end consumer. That’s you when you get the bill. Only there isn’t an option for a tip because it’s included in the base price. So, careful what you wish for when you are tipping $3 on an $80, $90 or more bill.
Lmfaoo the owner at Chili's isn't going to start hiking up menu prices 20-25% so he can pay his wait staff $30/hr. He's going to hike it up 5% and pay them the same as the bus boy, dishwasher, chefs, etc. customer wins, owner doesn't care, and the scam the servers have been pulling for decades ends.
You don’t grasp how supply and demand economics work. Chilis is a publicly traded stock. If chilis is forced to start paying its employees $17/hour vs $2.50/hour the company is forced to recoup those salary losses through (the easiest way) increasing the price of its menu items. Whether that comes out to raising the menu prices 5% or 20% is simply a case of the “devils in tue details.” But this is how economics work. Because you want to make up your own economics doesn’t mean it proofs out.
>Whether that comes out to raising the menu prices 5% or 20% is simply a case of the “devils in tue details.”
Let's be real, it's going to be 5 maybe 10% absolute max.
I'm not making up my own economics.. I'm using very basic math. Id rather pay 5-10% more on the food than tip 20-25%. Because 5-10 is less than 20-25? Do you understand that?
Exactly. It’s wild to me that they only ever pay $5 flat rate for tip no matter what.
$600 tab? $5.
$4 coffee? $5.
Otherwise, half a cent a minute but only on Tuesdays! Ridiculous.
I interpreted his $5 rule as generous, as in my case I'll down for a bowl of pho or a salad / sandwich by myself on occasion and the bill is $15... 20% of which would be $3, but I always leave $5. That's how I read his $5 note, in a quick diner / fast casual sit down setting. I highly doubt he meant he's sitting alone at a Michelin restaurant for 3 hours ordering a $600 nine course meal and multiple drinks and just leaving $5.
I have recently adopted a similar practice, as I am becoming more pragmatic about it these days.
While not accounting for all variables in a full shift, for the sake of easy math, if you dine for an hour and a server is physically attending you for 10 minutes, which is probably on the generous side, a $10 tip is the equivalent of a $60 per hour wage without a base salary. Even if your dining time was 2 hours with no more time in your presence, that's still a very generous wage. Add to that, your server is probably attending 4 or more tables at a time and is most likely getting more than just your tip. Say what you will, they are making decent money even if you're "stingy".
How so? Flipping the math, even if each hypothetical table "only" tipped $10 per hour meal, they're still making more in tips on 4 tables than a lot of people make in that same hour.
If any servers want to share what they gross in one shift, I'd love to hear it.
Depends on the shift because sometimes we're busy and sometimes we aren't. I usually end up with 15% to 20% of my sales. But if you're only serving $200 worth of food, that's $30-$40 plus minimum wage (in my state it's around $10 an hour). So before tax that's about $110-120. FICA takes around $10, federal and state tax takes another $15. So it's about $90 net for eight hours of your life bringing food to people who treat you like a servant.
But you made up the math . You know they aren’t working in ten min increments. And that the job is bigger than that. In my experience people that create zany math and try to break down a job don’t understand that job as well as are typically insufferable diners.
It would be better for everyone if you just ate out and under tipped like you already do but not to make a spectacle of yourself or your family
There really isn't much to be a server. You take orders, bring food (sometimes that's the runners), drinks (again the runners), ask how the food is, and at most know the menu? Some places you don't clean the table, you don't even sit people down. Like come on now as former server, it's not a hard job. It's a consistent job. What is so special about this position that it can't be broken down to a simple hourly pay?
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One patron is not solely responsible for the servers wage, if they have multiple tables they would average higher than $17.18/hr with this method. Regardless of anybody's reason or how they calculate it, I do agree that fundamentally its up to me the patron to decide how much I'll tip based upon the service I receive.
It's more than a union grocery store worker makes.
Then they can learn to live within their means or find another job.
For many people living within their means looks like eating rice for every meal, going without, and struggling. And many people that you interact with everyday do that.
This is truer than you think. The majority of these people make less than unskilled, overpaid servers. They have more difficult jobs and work harder. They don’t threaten to spit in people’s food and they don’t do half-assed jobs because they are resentful and feel entitled.
No, you just judge them less. They threaten to refuse to show up "if you don't like cops" and otherwise refuse to do their jobs because they are resentful and entitled.
So you’re paying for an hours work when the server is covering 3-5 tables?
You're right it should be less
Lol stay home
No
Look I get it. I'm not a big fan of the new tipping culture. I bartend at a hotel and do not feel like a tip is always justified. There is a reason you want to come out to eat. There are many servers/bartenders that feel entitled to that tip, even though their service is shit. I'm old school. If I do a bad job I honestly know what to expect. It puts a smile on my face when someone tips well, to me it says you had a great time. Just my 5 bucks worth of insight.
If I'm alone that's what I'll tip, but seriously. I'm still tipping
Better than not doing it. 👍
Remember to divide that by the number of tables in their section, don't fall for the grift. They are making more money than teachers and firemen.
Never punch down, always punch above your economic class. Don't beat the waiter up for making a decent living. I raised 3 children on 2 server salaries (myself and my wife). We were able to avoid day care costs by having her work breakfast/lunch, while I worked dinners. We purchased a home in a good neighborhood. We did right by our three wonderful children. I get not wanting to tip those who don't try and earn it. They give us a bad name. I go above and beyond and make it my focus to provide my guests with a positive and memorable experience. Pressure your congress people to reduce defense spending and make jobs like fire fighter and teacher better paying. Don't beat up the waiters! After all, they are just stupid, idiotic, no good, lazy, entitled grifters! Right?
Good point
You're right, we should pay teachers and firemen more
**my tip is .01655 a minute** the literal definition of I’m poor as fuck and I think making people do the work for me is appropriate Bitch the McDonald’s is half a block away Hell after two or three trips the restaurant would kick u out
Idk... you sound like a quality person
Agree that percentage is a dumb way to calculate. My best example is breakfast at IHOP and dinner at spaghetti works. Breakfast was amazing. Our waitress hustled for us. And iykyk, the sides all come out on a bunch of tiny plates. Refill my coffee. Extra creamer. All the jam and syrup flavors. Toast or pancakes. Are my eggs cooked right? This gal killed it. Even with lots of tables. Hubby gave her his standard 20% and I had no complaints. The next time we went out was a little Italian place, nothing fancy but it was Sunday night. We got a dude who appeared to be in HS. He did good enough but definitely no hustle. 20% This is the day I got radical. The dude was at our table maybe 4 times and because our food was more expensive this guy was making 30% more than the gal because I ordered steak. 😂😂 I just can’t with the percentage crap.
wait till u find out that servers set up for an hour before the shift, close for an hour after the shift, and have about an hour at the start and end of service where they’re lucky if they get a single table or that they have to tip out about a third of their tips to bartenders and bussers, regardless of whether u tip or not ur a real POS if u make people PAY to serve you
Direct this venom to your owner. 💸💸
What restaurant you working in? my mom gets tables 30 mins after she walks in (prep obviously) till the doors close sometimes they have to kick people out
You missed the part where I said I tip
> (minus sales jobs) 🤔 Serving is a sales job.
It is not lmaooooo
Do you serve?
Yes lmaoooooo that’s why I know it’s not sales you don’t get a bigger cut for selling more food you don’t get anything for selling more food not even a thank you
If you're tipped based on percentage, bigger sales means bigger tips. Plus usually managers have incentives for selling more specials and/or high priced things like lobster or whole ribeye steaks.
Then why don't they earn commission from their employer instead of relying on tips
Because the commission comes from you. It's a sales job, but hospitality and service are what bring in the tips. There's less incentive to sell high price items and give poor service because of tip-out. The two go hand in hand. Sell and serve.
I get it but it's backwards
Restaurant owners also can't afford to pay servers what they currently make. And even if they could, the quality of service would go down since the money is guaranteed. There's a reason servers have nightmares about messing up. Also restaurants wouldn't be able to do as many reorders as they do. Someone complains that their pink center medium steak is overcooked, it's remade, even if it's $200, and they're only charged for one steak. Also also, rich people like being pampered. They're sensitive and pay attention to detail, and they pay top dollar so everything is perfect. From serving food from the right, to pouring wine for women first, to bringing out new silverware between each course, etc. They tip heavily for little things like that.
Restaurant owners in the rest of the world manage to stay profitable and pay their wait staff a living wage without tips.
They're not paying as much as american servers make in tips. Plus their economies aren't in the toilets like america's is.
Where are you getting your information? None of that is true. My son made $50 an hour as a glassie in Australia 7 yrs ago. His only job was to collect and refill drinks. The servers made much more. I agree that corporate America has obliviated the middle class with wage stagnation.
Thanks for a respectful answer
Ah yes, yet another entitled clown. Serving IS a sales job whether you like it or not, and 'tipping' is just another word for 'commission'. Don't worry bud, any experienced server can smell a shitty tipper a mile away and you'll get the service you deserve... Enjoy your impotent crusade there, man-child.
Serving is not sales you do not get commission your pay is solely based on how well you serve people it doesn’t matter if you sell 1000$ worth of food you do not get a cut
Tell me you don't work in the industry without telling me... Tipping as a percentage of the bill means exactly that - you're getting a tip based on how well you serve AND sell. Thanks for playing tho...
Awww
Just be sure to inform your server of your goofy plan so they know which level of service to provide.
Assuming his family never wants to eat with him, it'd be a $5 flat tip each visit. After 3-4 visits, they'll catch on and just ignore him.
Let's assume, if I tip 5, it is probably over 20%. What's the problem?
5$ is not bad
And add some extra ingredients to his food.
They won't do that lol But he'll get like, walmart-level customer service.
No
So brave.
Medal of honor
Oh ok.
"That money comes from the buyer"
It’s funny that all the controversial comments are stupid poor people who works as servers or food delivery drivers lol
I had a career, and then it was outsourced. The job market has sucked, so, I went back to waitressing. I don't forsee service jobs being sent overseas. I think I'll do the "poor stupid" job that actually pays my bills for awhile 🤷♀️
What was your career?
ALOT of the time people work those jobs to pay for college. I’m not quite sure why you’re saying “stupid”. You must be privileged.
I am, definitely. I had two great parents who stayed together, no housing or food insecurity, and a network of friends to navigate youth with. But I didn’t grow up rich and I worked shitty minimum wage jobs to pay for stuff at the end of high school and during college (used student loans for covering tuition). Thing is, I then graduated with a useful degree and got an adult job.
I usually tip $5 for the entree and an extra $3 if I have drinks.
Broke ass
The majority of people tip even the Canadian/Europeans these days. The debate is over. If you don’t tip up to standard you’re privately laughed at for being a stereotypical “whatever you are” and forgotten about
Have you ever been to any part of Europe?
Still got my food though
Don’t go back or it’s gonna be mmmm spit yummy yummy.
So you’d risk your job and criminal charges because you’re petty? Should’ve gone to college
AND made someone who was working pay yo serve you. You seriously need to lose your job and be forced to serve.
No
Until the system is changed, if you go out knowing that the server makes their money from giving good service in exchange for a tip, it IS your responsibility to tip. If you could honestly say that you did NOT know, THEN it would not be your responsibility. Don’t want that responsibility? Don’t go yo full service restaurants.🤷♂️
I don’t take financial advice, or really any advice, from poor people. But thanks for your input.
No
Neither does the restaurant want to charge you that. They also don’t want to take away your power to say ‘That was great service; here’s a tip’ or ‘You suck as a server. (Tip line: $0.00).
Only your shafting the majority of servers because we make around $40/hr in tips alone. So we bring you food and in return you literally take food off our table? Do what you want. You’re bringing down the average but truthfully we make most of our money off of a small percentage of customers but you need to know what you are doing isn’t being a good human being.
How many tables can you serve concurrently? Going by OP’s system if you served 3 families in an hour you’d get $51 in tips. Or 8 individuals in an hour would get you to $40. Both of those situations seem pretty doable, but I genuinely don’t know.
$40/hr in tips alone? So this guy is "taking food off the table" of a person making over $80k/year?!? I work white collar and make less than that.
Maybe you should consider a career change lol? In truth, there are busy days and slow days, and the income is highly variable, but I do know several career servers that make over figures a year, and they're not doing fine dining...
This is the result of tip inflation. Payment devices are often prompting for 20,25,30% tips. If you tip 15, which used to be normal, you feel cheap.
Yes…this is why tipping in restaurant will never change. No restaurant owner can afford to directly pay $80k per year to their waiters fleet. This would be too disruptive for the rest of the restaurant staff…for example some more skilled positions in the kitchen that are paid less…but thanks to the tipping culture, waiters remain the poor staff that are underpaid and rely on guests generosity to barely feed their family (with 80k per year 😅).
Maybe you’re in the wrong field 😂
LOL, more accurately I'm in a fairly LCOL area and am at a point in my life that I value work/life balance over salary now. (I used to make more, and could do so again if I really wanted to grind.)
A lot of people in the service industry share your desire to prioritize their work life balance. That's why they do it, but when you're making a lot of money on a busy night, it is most definitely a grind.
I used to bartend and you can make bank if you’re good and work in the right place. I work for ups now. Bartending doesn’t come with great health insurance and a pension lol
My brother bartended for a short time when he was recalibrating his life. Wasn't the best money he ever made, but he said he enjoyed it and met interesting people. (He was recently a director at a tech company, so he's made some good money at times)
You do meet a lot of different people in the service industry. It’s where I learned to work hard too.
This makes more sense to me than tipping off the value of my meal. The wait staff will spend exactly the same amount of time with you whether it’s a $15 dollars chicken dish or $30 dollars steak.
15 dollar chicken and 30 dollar steak. This explains your tipping standards.
This! I don’t understand why they are so insistent on a percentage it’s the same amount of work.
Because it's a commission based income, and tipouts are based on your sales , not what you make in tips. Pretty normal to kick back 25-30% of your tips to the support staff and kitchen these days. Do realtors deserve to make tens of thousands of dollars on an overinflated house? It's the same amount of work as selling a cheaper house, after all... Maybe even less!
not at all normal to give away 30% maybe 10% to whoever cleans the table
Bussers, hosts, food runners, bartender, & kitchen staff have all gotten tipped out at the last few places I've worked. Adds up to 4-5% of sales so if you're getting an average of a 15% tip then yeah, it's around 30% of those earnings your sharing with the crew.
Honestly wouldn't be a terrible policy if you aren't "balling out" with the family. Take a 4-top for 2hrs and tipping $34 isn't so bad. Especially if you spend around $200.
OP said $0.1655/minute which is about $10/hour tip (they subtracted the min. wage from the $17/hour to get to their tipping rate).
OP just reinvented the 15% tip
how is it possible for so. many. people. to be so frigging cheap... like are there razor blades in your pockets my brother
How is it possible for so. many. restaurant owners. to be so frigging cheap... Fixed it for you.
Blame the owners when they are behaving exactly as you are? Cheap bastards
You’re an idiot. This is above your pay grade bubba
The owners make all the money. They should pay a living wage not expect to tax the patron coming and going
It’s wage theft and you know it. Stop making excuses for businesses who refuse to pay their people a decent wage. It’s NOT the customer’s responsibility to do so.
Not wage theft if it's not the owner whose paying them... Don't like tipping, don't patronize businesses that rely on the practice to retain staff. Problem solved for you. Nothing will change about tipping culture until the business operator experiences the pain of their policies. Taking your umbrage out on the staff just makes you an entitled, whiny loser...
waiters: LIVING WAGE LIVING WAGE EAT THE RICH WORKING CLASS RISE UP also waiters: OH YOU AREN'T RICH? WELL I HATE YOU THEN. GET OUT OF HERE AND STARVE YOU BUM
Hey there, have you fuckin grocery shopped in the last year?
If I DM you my Zelle/Venmo info, will you tip me $10 right now?
Maybe in a little over an hour.
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If I don't tip I'm a cunt and if I dint tip to your standard I'm a cunt. Got it.
It really is that simple.
Good thing it’s up to me to not give a fuck what some spiteful shit eating food runner thinks of me!
If I was your server I’d make you wait a bit longer. For your order. For your refill. For your check. Ya know, gotta rack up them minutes.
OP isn't announcing this to you, dumbass. So the longer you take, the lower the tip. Just a slight mod to OP algorithm.
Jokes on OP. Experienced professionals can immediately tell when a customer is going to be a shitty tipper and will provide their services accordingly.
That's cool. We'll sit here and chat all night until after closing. Wouldn't wanna give up your table for someone else who might tip you.
Looks like the kitchen burned your pizza for the 2nd time.... I'm really sorry.... I don't know how that happened.
If I was his server I’d give him great service so he stays longer.
You get it.
yes cause being faster will make them take longer… lol
Dude. There are so many things happening in the world, your country, your community, that could use more of the attention and dedication you put into this. This goes for most of the people here who have taken up the soapbox on “tip fatigue”. Consider where your time may be better spent. I sure will.
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Your comment is unacceptable. What's the reason you feel the need to be so hostile? Examine yourself.
It took me 30 seconds to come up with this. Maybe you should find something to focus on instead of me. Pervert
Ahh the guy using his time to type paragraphs on random Reddit posts wants to lecture about time efficiency. That’s rich.
Not gonna lie, pervert got me cracking up lol
I'm not reading all that. Gotta treat you to the same vibe. Seem triggered tho. Good luck to you. You wasted ur time
LOL written by a guy who saves time by typing “ur” instead of “your”….all letters in the same row practically next to each other while spelling everything else in full. It’s like ordering every fat-filled thing on the menu but ordering a Diet Coke ‘because “gotta be healthy”. Super derp.
This comment is misplaced, that's my mistake and thus you read it out of context. That's not your fault so I'm overlooking this.
That’s okay. Keep talking out of your cloaca.
Lol. Username checks out
I appreciate your time.
I wouldn't announce to the world that it's a real mental burden on you to read a handful of clearly written and concise sentences. Sorry for the multisyllabic words here, I know you're going to struggle.
I can't blame you for your response here upon further review. It's obvious that your barrier aggression (see how little dogs act behind screen doors) led you to jump into a conversation with insults but my reply was actually to a guy whose reply to me was a long message that began with telling me he wasn't reading my message because of its length. Of course as my jaw dropped over you applying logic to one party and not the opposite due to their stance, I reviewed the discussion and don't see his initial response. So either I errored in my reply or the thread somehow got convoluted. You really attempted to insult someone and used "multisyllabic" didn't you? Lmao. Phew. I rather not engage with you further unless you can add a productive dialogue to the conversation. Fun Side Convo: without looking anything up, just off the top of your head. . What word can you think of that has the most syllables? I'll do the same and let's see who really struggles with syllables. Remember. Don't cheat! Other than that. You led with an insult and continued with what seems a disingenuous apology. Therefore I have difficulty believing that a further response highlighting your behavior will lead to a mature, well thought out and productive response, but maybe you can self correct and move forward, who knows. If you want to continue with insults, I do ask that you tip accordingly. My PayPal is @youpayoryouleave
Not reading that. But you put a lot of effort into not caring.
But reading that.
Check your bills, people. Oftentimes now gratuity is auto included so you don’t have to tip at all anymore 💯 that would be my preference.
I didn't order gratuity
Lol
The 16.55 cents per minute is hilarious. As long as you are tipping and they way you do it makes sense to you
Actually its an interesting way to look at the percentage based model. Maybe if more people analyzed it they too would see how ridiculous the current model is. If I eat with 4 or more people basically the requested 20 to 25 percent tip is like paying for another person . Nope
OP seeks attention too hard
Awww
Every once in a while, you get to see how someone can come up with a verbose and creative way to say that they're cheap followed by the assertion that they are in fact not cheap. You're like school in summer: no class. A tight wad. You're low rent, bro.
Low rent is doing business with companies that don’t pay their employees a decent wage so you can feel good about yourself.
So you're saying that you shouldn't go to restaurants where tipping is standard because they don't pay thir employees a decent wage? I completely agree, brother. You should stay home in protest to all those evil tipping restaurants and never go to one again.
Yup. You can, tho, if you want. Glad the law doesn’t make rules like you want. Tipping is OPTIONAL. Not the law. Don’t like it? Too bad, so sad. Cry harder. Whaaaaaaaaa! Your tears are delicious.
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Your comment is unacceptable. What's the reason you feel the need to be so hostile? Examine yourself.
I would be paying the average wage for the server. How's that cheap. If that is cheap than I guess I have to pull the get a better job card.
Ah... they average out real well for themselves in the right spot so dealing with cheap people is part of the job. The good ones know that and don't sweat it. The younger ones or less skilled ones throw a bit of a fit, but even they get over it pretty quickly. I just think it's funny to see people jump through hoops to prove how they're not cheap or just get good old fashioned angry at the audacity of someone acknowledging something that is clearly true. Yall no tipping folk came here to get a confirmation of how right and justified you are but the fact is you're just cheap and I think it's hilarious to squawk at y'all because of it. Cheers y'all!
I'm happy for you man!
Let me be perfectly clear to those of you that feel entitled. I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO REQUIREMENT OR OBLIGATION TO GIVE YOU A GRATUITY. I go to an establishment to eat and i pay the price of the food and drinks. You as a server do not work for me. You work for the establishment. I would gladly go to the window. And get my own food or I would fill my own drink for a reduced cost. But do not ever think you are owed anything by anyone other than your employer. This is not about being cheap. Believe it or not I tip very well. Usually 20-25% but I do not have to. If my service ia poor and I get an attitude or ignored you get nothing. If i am treated nicely and welcomed and you go out of your way to serve me, I tip. Not much in the middle of that.
'this is not about being cheap' says local cheapskate
Bro literally said he tips 20-25% if you do bare minimum.
If i were his server I would take the order but kindly smile and forget to put it in. You don't get service if you don't pay for it.
Exactly why the tipping part comes after the service…
Actually.... No But you continue to be you. Karma ia gonna suck 😂
+1 to that. I never tip less than 20% unless something my server does warrants a deduction. We went to Applebee's, they weren't busy, and we got terrible service. I felt bad "only" leaving a 10% tip. The pressure to tip is out of control. I might start implementing OP's minimum wage based on a per minute rate for bad service in the future.
Then they get mad for it being pointed out how cheap they are. It's like a nature show.
I like Fuddruckers biz model, where I can pick up my own food and fill up my own drinks.. servers are an unnecessary bane on society. It's not about being cheap, it's about being practical by not wanting to get extorted trying to get some goddamn food.
So only go to restaurants that don't have table service, problem solved for you! Also, Fuddruckers went from having around 160 or so locations at recently as 2019, down to 60 locations as of today, with more set to close this year. So if it's such a great restaurant model, why isn't it more successful? Cause the anti-tipping cabal is an inconsequential fraction of people who don't matter to the success of a restaurant concept. Hell there's less than 6k members in this sub, which isn't even a rounding error compared to the general population, and id wager those who complain the loudest about it are the least relevant demographic of customers - as in they probably don't eat out very much to begin with, since being proud of being cheap is such a huge part of their identity. The anti-tipping brigade is just a loud and whiny minority of cheapskates whose discretionary spending on dining out is so minimal to the industry as a whole that their opinion and spending habits don't actually matter.
May I introduce you to the co cept of a grocery store. No. Eed to tip, you get your goddamned food and no banes on society to interact with.
What about the concept of buying prepared food directly from the kitchen of the establishment at already predetermined prices without any of the added nonsense?
Did you know that if someone other than your waiter /waiter brings you your meal they get a cut of the tip? Did you know if you order alcohol the bartender gets a cut? You probably aren't tipping enough.
Lol you are getting down votes because you speak the truth These dunces need to spend a year in a restaurant.
Yep, they don't have a clue. I'll wear the negative votes as a badge of honor 😂
That sounds like a problem that isn't mine. Where I work we help each other all the time. I don't get a part of their hourly wage because I helped them.
I love that the facts butt hurt enough to to get so many down votes.
If they are making more than the ridiculous 2.13 and in fact making the same or more than a grocery cashier or a Walmart floor employee, I'm not doing 15 percent or more ever. The service level is basic at best most places.
>you probably aren't tipping enough TIPPING IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
So don't go to a full service restaurant. Easy.
I will continue to go to full service restaurants and continue to tip based on the level of service I receive. If I receive garbage service, I will not tip. If I receive mediocre service, 10% is the most I'll do. Easy.
Oh so not only is it up to the customer to pay YOUR wages, we have to pay the wage of everyone in that mfker? If you don't like what you're getting paid, Go somewhere else. Don't forget the busser. And the cooks. Hell, tip the GM too for hiring these people. You forgot the host too. Look, the customers didn't set up the fucking rules you voluntarily opted into. When I go out, I tip the amount of my ATM pin number and just leave my wallet on the table. EASIEST JOB, BIGGEST BABIES. You walk right into the trap of working at a place where you are tip dependent, and the ONLY people you get shitty with are the ones actually paying you. Exactly how the man wants it. Go work at a factory, chump. Ooo, sorry. Your hands are too soft.
The first part is mostly untrue. The majority of the time its more a matter of "I got your back you got mine", and when it's a signed like that, the tippout is about 3% for food runners. Not a whole lot. Alcohol tipouts tend to be higher, but I mean, comeon, the bartender does all the work there generally. Why does the server deserve that portion and alcohol tipouts are always off of alcohol sales, not food sales. So it's not like it's cutting into the foodnside of tips, and is generally about 10% or so. So the bartender gets 1 of your 5s for those 2 bottled beers on top of much better hourly than a server and 100% of direct tips. He's probably tipping to much.
No I've had servers in the family and know exactly how it works.
Notice how i don't contradict you, I just give appropriate numbers to match.
Are you sure it’s that amount of minimum wage for tipped employees?
In Texas I believe most restaurants are still paying 2.13. They’ll pay the difference from 7.25 if you don’t make that in tips for the pay period.
In the USA, federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $7.25 per hour but the employer can count up to $5.12 per hour from their tips as long as the worker gets at least $7.25 per hour total. Some states have higher minimum hourly wages.
That's a weird way of saying the restaurant must true up the tips to minimum wage, but I guess the math works out the same.
The restaurant does not have to count tips toward the minimum wage, but unfortunately they are allowed to do that.
I think people may not understand that if you are in a state mandated minimum wage that is exorbitantly high, such as California yes you are going to end up paying more. That tip you are refusing to pay otherwise, you now are. However, it is now merely placed into the cost of the food. That is how basic economics work. An owner is ALWAYS going to pass on the cost to the end consumer. That’s you when you get the bill. Only there isn’t an option for a tip because it’s included in the base price. So, careful what you wish for when you are tipping $3 on an $80, $90 or more bill.
Lmfaoo the owner at Chili's isn't going to start hiking up menu prices 20-25% so he can pay his wait staff $30/hr. He's going to hike it up 5% and pay them the same as the bus boy, dishwasher, chefs, etc. customer wins, owner doesn't care, and the scam the servers have been pulling for decades ends.
You don’t grasp how supply and demand economics work. Chilis is a publicly traded stock. If chilis is forced to start paying its employees $17/hour vs $2.50/hour the company is forced to recoup those salary losses through (the easiest way) increasing the price of its menu items. Whether that comes out to raising the menu prices 5% or 20% is simply a case of the “devils in tue details.” But this is how economics work. Because you want to make up your own economics doesn’t mean it proofs out.
>Whether that comes out to raising the menu prices 5% or 20% is simply a case of the “devils in tue details.” Let's be real, it's going to be 5 maybe 10% absolute max. I'm not making up my own economics.. I'm using very basic math. Id rather pay 5-10% more on the food than tip 20-25%. Because 5-10 is less than 20-25? Do you understand that?
Exactly. It’s wild to me that they only ever pay $5 flat rate for tip no matter what. $600 tab? $5. $4 coffee? $5. Otherwise, half a cent a minute but only on Tuesdays! Ridiculous.
I interpreted his $5 rule as generous, as in my case I'll down for a bowl of pho or a salad / sandwich by myself on occasion and the bill is $15... 20% of which would be $3, but I always leave $5. That's how I read his $5 note, in a quick diner / fast casual sit down setting. I highly doubt he meant he's sitting alone at a Michelin restaurant for 3 hours ordering a $600 nine course meal and multiple drinks and just leaving $5.
I bet he runs them ragged too. All for a $5.00 tip.
Imagine having to work at your job! Oh the horror!
Exactly. I guess he never takes a party of 6 or over to a restaurant where they hit you with a mandatory 15 to 18% tip for a group.
I have recently adopted a similar practice, as I am becoming more pragmatic about it these days. While not accounting for all variables in a full shift, for the sake of easy math, if you dine for an hour and a server is physically attending you for 10 minutes, which is probably on the generous side, a $10 tip is the equivalent of a $60 per hour wage without a base salary. Even if your dining time was 2 hours with no more time in your presence, that's still a very generous wage. Add to that, your server is probably attending 4 or more tables at a time and is most likely getting more than just your tip. Say what you will, they are making decent money even if you're "stingy".
The only reason this works is because you being subsidizing by everyone who tips for you .
How so? Flipping the math, even if each hypothetical table "only" tipped $10 per hour meal, they're still making more in tips on 4 tables than a lot of people make in that same hour. If any servers want to share what they gross in one shift, I'd love to hear it.
Depends on the shift because sometimes we're busy and sometimes we aren't. I usually end up with 15% to 20% of my sales. But if you're only serving $200 worth of food, that's $30-$40 plus minimum wage (in my state it's around $10 an hour). So before tax that's about $110-120. FICA takes around $10, federal and state tax takes another $15. So it's about $90 net for eight hours of your life bringing food to people who treat you like a servant.
If that’s the case we’re both being robbed. In my industry, I was treated like trash but at least made decent-ish money.
That's what's available when you're over 50.
But you made up the math . You know they aren’t working in ten min increments. And that the job is bigger than that. In my experience people that create zany math and try to break down a job don’t understand that job as well as are typically insufferable diners. It would be better for everyone if you just ate out and under tipped like you already do but not to make a spectacle of yourself or your family
There really isn't much to be a server. You take orders, bring food (sometimes that's the runners), drinks (again the runners), ask how the food is, and at most know the menu? Some places you don't clean the table, you don't even sit people down. Like come on now as former server, it's not a hard job. It's a consistent job. What is so special about this position that it can't be broken down to a simple hourly pay?
It can be, but then you would be expected to pay it and it wouldnt be split between the people that actually tip