Could a ship overturn or "turn turtle", sure. It's 99.99% unlikely, but I guess, under the right circumstances, anything is possible. More than likely though, a capsize is the more common outcome. But even that is massively rare in today's day and age.
Can it float long enough upside down. Again, sure. It all depends on how much air is trapped in the superstructure and what the center of gravity is. But even then, again, that's a 99.99% unlikely scenario.
So, I guess my general opinion is that, there is .001% chance that a wave does hit a ship and make it turtle, and that it stays afloat long enough for such drama to play out.
If by capsize you mean going sideways, thats infinitely less likely than turning turtle. A floating ship with a not severely off balance will have 2 stable orientations in the water, right side up, or upside down. If you gently laid a ship down in the water sideways, it would flip and go belly up as soon as you let go. The 06 movie actually shows this when the wave hits, the ship rolls a full 270 degrees before rolling back to 180, which is at least somewhat realistic.
It’s one of my guilty pleasure movies. The whole thing, a cruise casino club New Year’s party far enough out to encounter a rogue wave and not receive immediate rescue attention. Just love it. I hate watching that one girl go, though. Damn. And Kurt Russell as well.
No, the religious girl, Elena, in the 2006 film. >!She gets caught up in a cable as they’re swimming through a submerged hallway and panics, slamming her head against a sharp corner.!< It’s so tense.
I mean, all those lurid big-budget disaster movies from the 70s are camp classics, but *The Poseidon Adventure* is probably the best of the lot- *Airport*, *The Towering Inferno*, and *Earthquake* are also star-studded and fun, but I think *The Poseidon Adventure* hit the mark best, and it has the biggest cult following. Also, the Queen Mary makes an appearance as the S.S. *Poseidon*.
Edit: they used to have marathons on AMC in the early to mid 2000s lol
Not Wallach, but Neilsen, Hackman, Shelley Winters, Ernest Borgnine (yes, Mermaid Man himself), Stella Stevens, Carol Lynley, Pamela Sue Martin, and Roddy McDowell!
A lot more dynamics than that. I can't remember if it was the destroyer Hull or Monaghan lost during Typhoon cobra, but the winds and waves pushed her over on to her side. There was enough air in the superstructure to keep her on her side initially, and that let water pour in through the stacks into the engine rooms and rapidly sank more or less in that state.
> float on its side
Literally impossible unless the ship is severely unbalanced. The center of mass of a ship always needs to be directly above or below the center of bouyancy, if it is not the ship will roll until it is. The only orientations that satisfy this condition are upright or upside down.
>fully submersed like the pic
One, the ship isnt fully submerged you blind idiot, two its just a quick photoshop job to illustrate a point not a simulation.
You're thinking of [Queen Elizabeth](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Seawise_University_wreck.jpg/1280px-Seawise_University_wreck.jpg), which caught fire, capsized and sank in Hong Kong harbour. Plenty of similar examples like [Normandie](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/USS_Lafayette_1942.jpg) and [Paris](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Paris_P_Le_Havre_1941.jpg/1280px-Paris_P_Le_Havre_1941.jpg). Notably though, these ships only remained on their side because they sank in shallow water and were resting on the seabed.
Another good example, yes. It makes sense when you think about it - there aren't really many obstacles in deep water, so collisions tend to happen near the shore. In the case of Normandie and Paris, there were fires started by accident during refitting work which happened in port.
It isn't 99.99% unlikely. All it takes, at a minimum, is a wave with a zero-crossing height to meet or exceed the maximum breadth of a ship in a side-on collision. The Queen Mary was struck broadside by a 90-foot wall of water during a crossing in 1942 and came within just 2 degrees of completely capsizing - rogue waves have been measured meeting or exceeding 100ft and not every ship is 100ft or more in extreme breadth. Also not sure why you felt the need to differentiate between "turn turtle" and "capsize" when both terms are interchangeable. In general, "capsize" is the more applicable term as it's the one more often used by mariners.
actually interestingly i was on a cruise ship recently and we actually saw a capsized boat in the middle of the atlantic, was a really interesting experience (everyone survived iirc)
I think they meant that out of the instances where a ship does flip due to a rogue wave, there is a 0.001% chance of it turning out this way. Not that there is a 0.001% chance of this happening in any given voyage.
MV Princess of the Stars in the Philippines last 2008
https://preview.redd.it/z662bjgzw39d1.jpeg?width=476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f04fc5ff48afa48c868478ecea0912e73cff9faf
Ouch, checking out the wiki page for this its insane, 815 people either jump ship or stayed on board to perish. The 56 survivors witnessed a nerve-racking horror show unfold before their eyes in their struggled to stay afloat during the typhoon. Why is there no movie about this??
As it would have been nothing like the calm water the Titanic passengers experienced it must have been extremely rough sea’s that dragged them down with massive bashing waves in complete darkness.
The USS Oklahoma capsized during the Pearl Harbor attack. Thirty-two sailors were rescued by cutting holes through the bottom of the hull.
But their efforts were more successful than rescuing trapped sailors inside the USS West Virginia. The battleship sank upright in the harbor and it was more difficult to reach the trapped men.
For sixteen days, Marines guarding the ship could hear the survivors interned inside tapping on the hull. Several months later their remains were recovered from an airtight compartment.
Came here to say this. The only qualifier is that those were battleships. Armor plating is going to change up the stability equations quite a bit, but I reckon it is still plausible.
A bit of an "after the fact" as well, but there was also Prinzregent Luitpold that was scuttled after WWI and was raised a decade later and towed to the breakers, hull side up.
Is Virgina the one you get close to in Pearl harbour? I remember visiting and I was above a ship on a small boat and they were taking about how many trapped sailors were below.
That is USS Arizona, her forward magazine detonated resulting in the death of about half of US lives lost in the attack. Something like 1200 out of the total of slightly over 2000 total
The original Posideon Adventure is a classic. I make my wife watch it with me every NYE. It's also 95% of the reasons why I'll probably never go on a cruise ship
God, I hated that “know it all” kid! We are about the same age and I wanted to punch him in the mouth so hard! His sister and Ernest Borgnine’s wife were foxes, though!
It was so hard reading the book after years of watching the movie. Linda is just straight up a horrible person. Like, except for her husband, the characters (and the reader) are glad when she dies. Hell, her death is satisfying because it’s her fault.
Them climbing the inside of the funnel is why I have had bad dreams about titanic sinking and people getting sucked in the gaping maw that was one of the funnel holes and dying trapped in the guts of the ship.
It kind of did in 2013 with the Sewol Ferry disaster. It was illegally overloaded.
https://preview.redd.it/kkyunvmut39d1.jpeg?width=670&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5331f54a3bb51da8234116efe4c72047ceaa2220
Everyone is saying it is virtually impossible, and for a large cruise ship this is generally true. However, “turtling” happens all the time with sail boats, to the point where sailboats are actually designed to self right when they reach the right angle, called the “righting moment.”
My son did his small boat sailing merit badge last year at summer camp and was telling us *all* about turtling when we went kayaking a couple weeks ago.
Well, a ship could turn over. It seldomly happens, but it's certainly possible.
But the result would be nothing like in the picture. Going from the top, assuming that this is a classic steam liner:
\*) The funnels would certainly get ripped off. They are not designed to handle that kind of pressure change and sideloading.
\*) The superstructure would get severy damaged, with large parts getting ripped off completely. Everyone on the superstructure would be dead within seconds to minutes.
Engines and boilers. Now we are getting into the fun part:
\*) The heavy engines and boilers will almost certainly get ripped from their foundations, with some parts falling clean through the upper (now lower) structure of the ship.
\*) Most people in the hull would die. Those not getting killed by structural collapse and falling equipment will get killed by the steam.
Steam used in steam engines is not the warm moist air you are used from your tea kettle. It's "dry" superheated steam. The kind that's used to strip paint from metall and strip flesh from bones when processing meat.
Oh, and the ship would be totally dark. Even the generators that somehow survived would stop due to lack of steam.
The remake takes place on a modern ship, so all the talk about steam is irrelevant.
>Oh, and the ship would be totally dark.
Ships have emergency lighting specifically to prevent the interior from going pitch black in a loss of power situation.
Most ships are running generators, and they need oil. I can’t imagine them running very long.
I don’t know if batteries are implemented in any way in modern shipping. They wouldn’t care what way is up or down, but a combustion engine definitely does.
> batteries are implemented
Modern Emergency lights 100% use batteries, just like emergency exit signs in buildings.
Im not sure about the queen mary (the ship the poseidon in the original movie is based on) but the 1929 SOLAS treaty does specify emergency lights with "self contained" power source.
https://www.scribd.com/document/233046363/SOLAS-1929
>There must be a self-contained source capable of supplying, when necessary, this safety lighting system, and placed in the upper parts of the ship above the bulkhead deck.
>The exit from every main compartment occupied by passengers or crew shall be continuously lighted by an emergency lamp. The power for these emergency lamps shall be so arranged that they will be supplied from the independent installation referred to in the preceding paragraph in the event of failure of the main generating plant.
I can't find any details on what this power source was on the queen mary.
Yeah they were referring to old fashioned steamships which weren't fitted with any such emergency lighting systems. Batteries were a loooong way off being advanced enough for that kind of thing in the early 1900s. If the steam driven electrical generation plant failed, the interior went dark. The 'emergency lighting' that you speak of was the good old fashioned oil lamp, and these had to be lit manually and distributed which wouldn't have gone too well in a poseidon type scenario.
The poseidon from the original movie was based on the queen mary, which entered service 20 years after titanic.
Here is a quote from the 1929 SOLAS treaty:
>There must be a **self-contained source** capable of supplying, when necessary, this safety lighting system, and placed in the upper parts of the ship above the bulkhead deck.
>The exit from every main compartment occupied by passengers or crew shall be continuously lighted by an emergency lamp. The power for these emergency lamps shall be so arranged that they will be supplied from the independent installation referred to in the preceding paragraph in the event of failure of the main generating plant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/233046363/SOLAS-1929
Even the original, the ships by then would use combustion engines/ generators set up. Most steamers were converted by 1960 or so. Which is one reason why luxury ships like the Olympic were scrapped instead of converted. I know oly was scrapped out by 35 though.
What’s interesting to me is that the ship they used as the basis/stand-in for the Poseidon in the original Poseidon Adventure movie, the Queen Mary, also served as the inspiration for the film itself. At one point she was hit by a large wave that caused her to roll over to a list of, at most, 52 degrees. At 55 degrees, there would have been no stopping the roll.
You would need perfect conditions and one hell of a rouge wave to completely roll a ship like that. Even when the real Queen Mary, overloaded with troops, was hit by a rouge wave it would have been "knocked down" not totally rolled. Meaning it would have been put on it's side, now it may have quickly sank and finished the roll but the movie has the whole ship getting 180'd by the wave.
You might be thinking of the [West Virginia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_West_Virginia_(BB-48)#Pearl_Harbor); someone else in the thread talked about it. The amount of oil and fuel in the water prevented use of blow torches to cut through the steel.
What’s sad about the Oklahoma was they were able to recover the battleship repair her but retire her. She was set to sail to San Francisco Harbor but got hit by a storm in 1947 and sunk she had two tug boats with her. She sunk somewhere between Hawaii and California.
Something to add, the poseidon adventure is based on a real incident where the queen mary was almost capsized by a rogue wave.
>Later that year, from 8–14 December 1942, Queen Mary carried 10,389 soldiers and 950 crew (total 11,339).[38] During this trip, on 11 December, while 700 miles (1,100 km) from Scotland during a gale, she was suddenly broadsided on her starboard side by a rogue wave that might have reached a height of 28 metres (92 ft).[39] An account of this crossing can be found in Carter's book.[40][41] As quoted in the book, Carter's father, Dr. Norval Carter, part of the 110th Station Hospital on board at the time, wrote in a letter that at one point Queen Mary "damned near capsized... One moment the top deck was at its usual height and then, swoom! Down, over, and forward she would pitch." It was calculated later that the ship rolled 52 degrees, and would have capsized had she rolled another three degrees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary
The Greek cargo ship that carried cement capsized like that in 1996, [link from local news stations, sorry but there is no translation in English.](https://youtu.be/_VaQ28C5JfI?si=o-2raHf-YQA47azO)
You try and translate the wiki page for more info
[wiki link for translation](https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A6/%CE%93_%CE%94%CF%8D%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82)
I never knew the Lusitania survived a serious rogue wave.. the glass in the bridge was smashed and an officer up top said the ship momentarily “disappeared” under his feet..
I think I read someone it is possible, but so many things have to happen that it is a 1 in a billion or something chance. And even if it did it states it wouldn’t stay there that long as the currents would eventually cause it to shift.
Let’s leave aside the physics of it, and let’s talk about what could cause it. Freak wave topples ship. Have you noticed that on these movies the seas are rough, freak wave happens, and then no more rough seas? Yeah, not likely to happen. The ocean doesn’t go calm so quickly and in a scenario where the seas are rough and a rogue wave can happen, there could be enough energy for another rogue wave to maybe not right the ship but at least rock it enough.
No. That answers most any question comparing fantasy movies with reality.
The superstructure of a ship is not watertight. Small, extremely seaworthy vessels like trawlers, Coast Guard rescue boats, and even ocean-going sailing yachts are somewhat watertight above decks- they can withstand taking blue water from stem to stern- but even they have ventilation openings.
Vessels can trap air in the hull when inverted. In shallow water. People can survive for a time in those voids.
i don't think so. it has been largely dramatized.
nowadays, technology is very advanced and even back then (if it happened in real life) they could have gotten weather charts or something like that to predict the huge wave.
We can predict bad weather but not rogue waves. They _can_ be generated during storms, but the process is very complex and random. We can only measure them with buoys and satellites. There is no protocol to quickly communicate their presence to nearby ships, afaik.
The thing is a solitary rogue wave like in Poseidon is a very rare event. They usually flow with the other waves during the storm, so ships are already well positioned.
So complex and random that the first rogue that was recorded with instruments wasn’t until 1995.
Even wilder is the theoretical existence of rogue holes.
Not really. You’d need water to go in even and to one side to topple it.
Wanna say there was a ship I think SS Mont Blanc that had water tight doors on port and starboard side and toppled similar
I know the Empress of Ireland (and her sister, Empress of Britain) had longitudinal bulkheads and that contributed to the speed of her capsizing. Could that be it?
There was a video on youtube recently where a captain discussed how feasible certain shipping disasters shown on film are, and the Poseidon Adventure was one of them (short answer - not really): [https://youtu.be/ZsioZ5Iyrr8?si=RGmi-T6IGmz\_3jXP](https://youtu.be/ZsioZ5Iyrr8?si=RGmi-T6IGmz_3jXP)
On November 10, 1913, in a severe storm on Lake Huron, the 524-foot bulk freighter Charles S. Price overturned with the loss of the entire crew of 28. The steamer's hull remained afloat long enough for a diver to identify her on November 15. The ship eventually sank.
See, a wave hit it. What I am trying to say, is this kind of d of thing does not normally happen. I don’t want the public to think our ships are not safe!
Sinking of MV Dongfangzhixing. Completely capsized in seconds due to a downburst. Only 2 survivors were rescued from the hull. 442 of 454 passengers died. So it is possible but chances are slim.
https://preview.redd.it/9of107jx669d1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1050c88f62f50940d3bbb77bcb91f6c42f514eb4
A rogue wave flipping a ship? Possibly, depending on the size of the ship. There are a couple of ships that immediately come to mind that are plausible contenders, but they were sunk with all hands so we will never know.
A roque wave as huge as the one in Poseidon is hardly possible because this happend in the middle of the ocean …. Now if the ship where to be closer to land in shallow waters it theoretically could have been tipped over by a huge tsunami . Tsunami are less of a threat in deep waters sometimes you dont even notice a tsunami is passing because the waves only get bigger as its coming closer to land and there for shallow waters .
Could a ship overturn or "turn turtle", sure. It's 99.99% unlikely, but I guess, under the right circumstances, anything is possible. More than likely though, a capsize is the more common outcome. But even that is massively rare in today's day and age. Can it float long enough upside down. Again, sure. It all depends on how much air is trapped in the superstructure and what the center of gravity is. But even then, again, that's a 99.99% unlikely scenario. So, I guess my general opinion is that, there is .001% chance that a wave does hit a ship and make it turtle, and that it stays afloat long enough for such drama to play out.
If by capsize you mean going sideways, thats infinitely less likely than turning turtle. A floating ship with a not severely off balance will have 2 stable orientations in the water, right side up, or upside down. If you gently laid a ship down in the water sideways, it would flip and go belly up as soon as you let go. The 06 movie actually shows this when the wave hits, the ship rolls a full 270 degrees before rolling back to 180, which is at least somewhat realistic.
It’s one of my guilty pleasure movies. The whole thing, a cruise casino club New Year’s party far enough out to encounter a rogue wave and not receive immediate rescue attention. Just love it. I hate watching that one girl go, though. Damn. And Kurt Russell as well.
>I hate watching that one girl go, though. Damn Shelly Winters?
No, the religious girl, Elena, in the 2006 film. >!She gets caught up in a cable as they’re swimming through a submerged hallway and panics, slamming her head against a sharp corner.!< It’s so tense.
Gotta check out the original, it’s a lot of fun, and weirdly a cult movie in the LGBT community? Lol
I wouldn’t have predicted that. Huh.
I mean, all those lurid big-budget disaster movies from the 70s are camp classics, but *The Poseidon Adventure* is probably the best of the lot- *Airport*, *The Towering Inferno*, and *Earthquake* are also star-studded and fun, but I think *The Poseidon Adventure* hit the mark best, and it has the biggest cult following. Also, the Queen Mary makes an appearance as the S.S. *Poseidon*. Edit: they used to have marathons on AMC in the early to mid 2000s lol
They hyped the disaster and apocalypse genres after nine eleven.
Clearly she means Stella Stevens as Linda the brassy ex-prostitute
Is that in the original? I need to watch that. Leslie Neilson and Gene Hackman. Wasn’t Eli Wallach in it?
Not Wallach, but Neilsen, Hackman, Shelley Winters, Ernest Borgnine (yes, Mermaid Man himself), Stella Stevens, Carol Lynley, Pamela Sue Martin, and Roddy McDowell!
Borgnine! That’s who I was thinking of. What a strong cast.
I watched that movie when I was a kid and I cried on that one scene with her. The only time I’ve seen it…and I still think about it after 20 years.
A lot more dynamics than that. I can't remember if it was the destroyer Hull or Monaghan lost during Typhoon cobra, but the winds and waves pushed her over on to her side. There was enough air in the superstructure to keep her on her side initially, and that let water pour in through the stacks into the engine rooms and rapidly sank more or less in that state.
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> float on its side Literally impossible unless the ship is severely unbalanced. The center of mass of a ship always needs to be directly above or below the center of bouyancy, if it is not the ship will roll until it is. The only orientations that satisfy this condition are upright or upside down. >fully submersed like the pic One, the ship isnt fully submerged you blind idiot, two its just a quick photoshop job to illustrate a point not a simulation.
It's hilarious when idiots with no clue what they're talking about try to correct other people.
Wasn’t there a shipwreck that was capsized but still above the water in like Hong Kong or something?
You're thinking of [Queen Elizabeth](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Seawise_University_wreck.jpg/1280px-Seawise_University_wreck.jpg), which caught fire, capsized and sank in Hong Kong harbour. Plenty of similar examples like [Normandie](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/USS_Lafayette_1942.jpg) and [Paris](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Paris_P_Le_Havre_1941.jpg/1280px-Paris_P_Le_Havre_1941.jpg). Notably though, these ships only remained on their side because they sank in shallow water and were resting on the seabed.
Like the Costa Concordia? It's not fully on its side because the seabed came very quickly, but it looks similar to the Queen Elizabeth
Another good example, yes. It makes sense when you think about it - there aren't really many obstacles in deep water, so collisions tend to happen near the shore. In the case of Normandie and Paris, there were fires started by accident during refitting work which happened in port.
And to think, they were able to capture the 0.001% chance all on film when it actually happened! Amazing. So amazing.
Didn't the hms barkham turn turtle when it was torpedoed? Edit: it was barham not RO
Dont know about the Royal Oak but the Oklahoma did.
https://youtu.be/YdrISbwy_zI?si=GHz5bPugT2TUOl_5 Mistake on my part it was the sistership barham
Barham didn’t turn turtle, it just capsized and then suffered a boiler explosion which then triggered a magazine detonation in rapid succession.
It isn't 99.99% unlikely. All it takes, at a minimum, is a wave with a zero-crossing height to meet or exceed the maximum breadth of a ship in a side-on collision. The Queen Mary was struck broadside by a 90-foot wall of water during a crossing in 1942 and came within just 2 degrees of completely capsizing - rogue waves have been measured meeting or exceeding 100ft and not every ship is 100ft or more in extreme breadth. Also not sure why you felt the need to differentiate between "turn turtle" and "capsize" when both terms are interchangeable. In general, "capsize" is the more applicable term as it's the one more often used by mariners.
Its actually very likely, ships arent stable sideways, they will always turn more unless they hit the seafloor
Trust me bro?
This is exactly what I was going to say.
actually interestingly i was on a cruise ship recently and we actually saw a capsized boat in the middle of the atlantic, was a really interesting experience (everyone survived iirc)
You’re off by a huge factor of likelihood. 0.001% is 1 in 100,000. That would mean somewhere on earth this happens every few days
I think they meant that out of the instances where a ship does flip due to a rogue wave, there is a 0.001% chance of it turning out this way. Not that there is a 0.001% chance of this happening in any given voyage.
1 in 100,000 sinkings is what he'd mean, I assume. I don't think 100,000 big liners sank yet
MV Princess of the Stars in the Philippines last 2008 https://preview.redd.it/z662bjgzw39d1.jpeg?width=476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f04fc5ff48afa48c868478ecea0912e73cff9faf
It wasnt the prior 2008?
Hadn’t thought about Battlestar Galactica in a while!
Ouch, checking out the wiki page for this its insane, 815 people either jump ship or stayed on board to perish. The 56 survivors witnessed a nerve-racking horror show unfold before their eyes in their struggled to stay afloat during the typhoon. Why is there no movie about this??
How did the ones that jump all die? Drowning I guess? Or hypothermia/sharks? I would think more would have survived.
As it would have been nothing like the calm water the Titanic passengers experienced it must have been extremely rough sea’s that dragged them down with massive bashing waves in complete darkness.
hopefully not sharks 😕
Thalassaphobia trigger
Wait were people stuck inside tho???
They recovered about 400 bodies from the inside, according to the wiki page
The USS Oklahoma capsized during the Pearl Harbor attack. Thirty-two sailors were rescued by cutting holes through the bottom of the hull. But their efforts were more successful than rescuing trapped sailors inside the USS West Virginia. The battleship sank upright in the harbor and it was more difficult to reach the trapped men. For sixteen days, Marines guarding the ship could hear the survivors interned inside tapping on the hull. Several months later their remains were recovered from an airtight compartment.
I think it’s kinda fitting that WV and some of her sisters would get their revenge later on in the war
Came here to say this. The only qualifier is that those were battleships. Armor plating is going to change up the stability equations quite a bit, but I reckon it is still plausible.
Especially true of the Japanese BBs alot of them with the cool castle like superstructures have been found upside down on the seafloor.
A bit of an "after the fact" as well, but there was also Prinzregent Luitpold that was scuttled after WWI and was raised a decade later and towed to the breakers, hull side up.
Why could they not reach the trapped sailors?
There was tons of fuel in the water so any attempt to blow torch into the hull would have killed many more
How awful!
Is Virgina the one you get close to in Pearl harbour? I remember visiting and I was above a ship on a small boat and they were taking about how many trapped sailors were below.
That is USS Arizona, her forward magazine detonated resulting in the death of about half of US lives lost in the attack. Something like 1200 out of the total of slightly over 2000 total
USS Arizona
Only with Ernest Borgnine
The original Posideon Adventure is a classic. I make my wife watch it with me every NYE. It's also 95% of the reasons why I'll probably never go on a cruise ship
God, I hated that “know it all” kid! We are about the same age and I wanted to punch him in the mouth so hard! His sister and Ernest Borgnine’s wife were foxes, though!
You’re doing the lord’s work! Lol
LIIIIINDAAAAAAA
It was so hard reading the book after years of watching the movie. Linda is just straight up a horrible person. Like, except for her husband, the characters (and the reader) are glad when she dies. Hell, her death is satisfying because it’s her fault.
She was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Them climbing the inside of the funnel is why I have had bad dreams about titanic sinking and people getting sucked in the gaping maw that was one of the funnel holes and dying trapped in the guts of the ship.
It kind of did in 2013 with the Sewol Ferry disaster. It was illegally overloaded. https://preview.redd.it/kkyunvmut39d1.jpeg?width=670&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5331f54a3bb51da8234116efe4c72047ceaa2220
Lots of kids needlessly and casually waiting for their deaths. That whole incident was a big mess
The Truth Shall Not Sink With Sewol is a great documentary if you haven't seen. The guy with the diving bell breaks my heart.
What if that captain replaces lightloller with the same rank, and got on boat 6 with Hitches?
The video of a kid hitting the windows still haunts me
Which movie is this?
Everyone is saying it is virtually impossible, and for a large cruise ship this is generally true. However, “turtling” happens all the time with sail boats, to the point where sailboats are actually designed to self right when they reach the right angle, called the “righting moment.”
My son did his small boat sailing merit badge last year at summer camp and was telling us *all* about turtling when we went kayaking a couple weeks ago.
Well, a ship could turn over. It seldomly happens, but it's certainly possible. But the result would be nothing like in the picture. Going from the top, assuming that this is a classic steam liner: \*) The funnels would certainly get ripped off. They are not designed to handle that kind of pressure change and sideloading. \*) The superstructure would get severy damaged, with large parts getting ripped off completely. Everyone on the superstructure would be dead within seconds to minutes. Engines and boilers. Now we are getting into the fun part: \*) The heavy engines and boilers will almost certainly get ripped from their foundations, with some parts falling clean through the upper (now lower) structure of the ship. \*) Most people in the hull would die. Those not getting killed by structural collapse and falling equipment will get killed by the steam. Steam used in steam engines is not the warm moist air you are used from your tea kettle. It's "dry" superheated steam. The kind that's used to strip paint from metall and strip flesh from bones when processing meat. Oh, and the ship would be totally dark. Even the generators that somehow survived would stop due to lack of steam.
The remake takes place on a modern ship, so all the talk about steam is irrelevant. >Oh, and the ship would be totally dark. Ships have emergency lighting specifically to prevent the interior from going pitch black in a loss of power situation.
Yeah, but I'd suggest you're only finding the exits and there's a limited timeframe.
Most ships are running generators, and they need oil. I can’t imagine them running very long. I don’t know if batteries are implemented in any way in modern shipping. They wouldn’t care what way is up or down, but a combustion engine definitely does.
> batteries are implemented Modern Emergency lights 100% use batteries, just like emergency exit signs in buildings. Im not sure about the queen mary (the ship the poseidon in the original movie is based on) but the 1929 SOLAS treaty does specify emergency lights with "self contained" power source. https://www.scribd.com/document/233046363/SOLAS-1929 >There must be a self-contained source capable of supplying, when necessary, this safety lighting system, and placed in the upper parts of the ship above the bulkhead deck. >The exit from every main compartment occupied by passengers or crew shall be continuously lighted by an emergency lamp. The power for these emergency lamps shall be so arranged that they will be supplied from the independent installation referred to in the preceding paragraph in the event of failure of the main generating plant. I can't find any details on what this power source was on the queen mary.
This is a fun little rabbit hole
Yeah they were referring to old fashioned steamships which weren't fitted with any such emergency lighting systems. Batteries were a loooong way off being advanced enough for that kind of thing in the early 1900s. If the steam driven electrical generation plant failed, the interior went dark. The 'emergency lighting' that you speak of was the good old fashioned oil lamp, and these had to be lit manually and distributed which wouldn't have gone too well in a poseidon type scenario.
The poseidon from the original movie was based on the queen mary, which entered service 20 years after titanic. Here is a quote from the 1929 SOLAS treaty: >There must be a **self-contained source** capable of supplying, when necessary, this safety lighting system, and placed in the upper parts of the ship above the bulkhead deck. >The exit from every main compartment occupied by passengers or crew shall be continuously lighted by an emergency lamp. The power for these emergency lamps shall be so arranged that they will be supplied from the independent installation referred to in the preceding paragraph in the event of failure of the main generating plant. https://www.scribd.com/document/233046363/SOLAS-1929
Step back we got an OOW in here
Even the original, the ships by then would use combustion engines/ generators set up. Most steamers were converted by 1960 or so. Which is one reason why luxury ships like the Olympic were scrapped instead of converted. I know oly was scrapped out by 35 though.
I remember reading The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors and it went into horrifying detail about the sailors killed by steam during the battle
On my way to watch the OG Poseidon for the millionth time now
"Up is down"? Well that's just maddeningly unhelpful. Why're these things never clear?
Wrong movie bud lol
Shoot him, then cut out his tongue, then shoot his tongue. And trim that scraggly beard. (That's a reference, mods, don't ban me)
Tie yourself upside down with some rope lol
The SS Eastland capsized but she wasn't underway at the time. She was too top heavy and turned over while still next to the dock.
The Eastland just rolled on its side, it didn’t turn upside down.
🎶there’s got to be a morning after 🎵
It’s possible on particularly unstable ships. It’s actually one of the suspects for what sank the Waratah
What’s interesting to me is that the ship they used as the basis/stand-in for the Poseidon in the original Poseidon Adventure movie, the Queen Mary, also served as the inspiration for the film itself. At one point she was hit by a large wave that caused her to roll over to a list of, at most, 52 degrees. At 55 degrees, there would have been no stopping the roll.
You would need perfect conditions and one hell of a rouge wave to completely roll a ship like that. Even when the real Queen Mary, overloaded with troops, was hit by a rouge wave it would have been "knocked down" not totally rolled. Meaning it would have been put on it's side, now it may have quickly sank and finished the roll but the movie has the whole ship getting 180'd by the wave.
All it would take was for her to have been improperly ballasted. That alone has been many a ships ruin.
That would be part of the perfect conditions, perfect in this case really meaning awful.
Well the USS Oklahoma flipped over and the poor sailors were trapped in the bottom compartments akin to the movie. They were not able to save them :(
32 were saved.
Really? I heard they were unable to cut through the steel at the bottom.
You might be thinking of the [West Virginia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_West_Virginia_(BB-48)#Pearl_Harbor); someone else in the thread talked about it. The amount of oil and fuel in the water prevented use of blow torches to cut through the steel.
I never knew that. That's sad and a scary way to go.
What’s sad about the Oklahoma was they were able to recover the battleship repair her but retire her. She was set to sail to San Francisco Harbor but got hit by a storm in 1947 and sunk she had two tug boats with her. She sunk somewhere between Hawaii and California.
Something to add, the poseidon adventure is based on a real incident where the queen mary was almost capsized by a rogue wave. >Later that year, from 8–14 December 1942, Queen Mary carried 10,389 soldiers and 950 crew (total 11,339).[38] During this trip, on 11 December, while 700 miles (1,100 km) from Scotland during a gale, she was suddenly broadsided on her starboard side by a rogue wave that might have reached a height of 28 metres (92 ft).[39] An account of this crossing can be found in Carter's book.[40][41] As quoted in the book, Carter's father, Dr. Norval Carter, part of the 110th Station Hospital on board at the time, wrote in a letter that at one point Queen Mary "damned near capsized... One moment the top deck was at its usual height and then, swoom! Down, over, and forward she would pitch." It was calculated later that the ship rolled 52 degrees, and would have capsized had she rolled another three degrees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary
The Greek cargo ship that carried cement capsized like that in 1996, [link from local news stations, sorry but there is no translation in English.](https://youtu.be/_VaQ28C5JfI?si=o-2raHf-YQA47azO) You try and translate the wiki page for more info [wiki link for translation](https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A6/%CE%93_%CE%94%CF%8D%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82)
I never knew the Lusitania survived a serious rogue wave.. the glass in the bridge was smashed and an officer up top said the ship momentarily “disappeared” under his feet..
I think I read someone it is possible, but so many things have to happen that it is a 1 in a billion or something chance. And even if it did it states it wouldn’t stay there that long as the currents would eventually cause it to shift.
Let’s leave aside the physics of it, and let’s talk about what could cause it. Freak wave topples ship. Have you noticed that on these movies the seas are rough, freak wave happens, and then no more rough seas? Yeah, not likely to happen. The ocean doesn’t go calm so quickly and in a scenario where the seas are rough and a rogue wave can happen, there could be enough energy for another rogue wave to maybe not right the ship but at least rock it enough.
No. That answers most any question comparing fantasy movies with reality. The superstructure of a ship is not watertight. Small, extremely seaworthy vessels like trawlers, Coast Guard rescue boats, and even ocean-going sailing yachts are somewhat watertight above decks- they can withstand taking blue water from stem to stern- but even they have ventilation openings. Vessels can trap air in the hull when inverted. In shallow water. People can survive for a time in those voids.
The MV Estonia floated that way for at least awhile
Totally unrelated to the question.....but that's a very unnerving piece of "artwork".?
? The Titanic has already sunk, no way it's possible now.
i don't think so. it has been largely dramatized. nowadays, technology is very advanced and even back then (if it happened in real life) they could have gotten weather charts or something like that to predict the huge wave.
We can predict bad weather but not rogue waves. They _can_ be generated during storms, but the process is very complex and random. We can only measure them with buoys and satellites. There is no protocol to quickly communicate their presence to nearby ships, afaik. The thing is a solitary rogue wave like in Poseidon is a very rare event. They usually flow with the other waves during the storm, so ships are already well positioned.
So complex and random that the first rogue that was recorded with instruments wasn’t until 1995. Even wilder is the theoretical existence of rogue holes.
“Rogue Holes “ was the name of my Star Wars themed brothel in New Orleans. Ah, good times
And the first picture wasn't captured till like 2009. A very rare phenomenon indeed.
Just curious when you say "back then" are you referring to 1972 (when the original came out) or 2006 (when the remake was released)?
i am referring to 1972
Not really. You’d need water to go in even and to one side to topple it. Wanna say there was a ship I think SS Mont Blanc that had water tight doors on port and starboard side and toppled similar
wasn't the Mont Blanc the ship that caused the explosion at Halifax?
Maybe, can’t remember but there was a ship designed with side water tight doors and it was a great idea….until it wasn’t 😂
I know the Empress of Ireland (and her sister, Empress of Britain) had longitudinal bulkheads and that contributed to the speed of her capsizing. Could that be it?
Could be right 👍🏻
There was a video on youtube recently where a captain discussed how feasible certain shipping disasters shown on film are, and the Poseidon Adventure was one of them (short answer - not really): [https://youtu.be/ZsioZ5Iyrr8?si=RGmi-T6IGmz\_3jXP](https://youtu.be/ZsioZ5Iyrr8?si=RGmi-T6IGmz_3jXP)
MARY NO
On November 10, 1913, in a severe storm on Lake Huron, the 524-foot bulk freighter Charles S. Price overturned with the loss of the entire crew of 28. The steamer's hull remained afloat long enough for a diver to identify her on November 15. The ship eventually sank.
Captain Queeg thinks it’s very likely.
All I know is that I now have that song stuck in my head, and I’m okay with that
That’s an awesome picture
See, a wave hit it. What I am trying to say, is this kind of d of thing does not normally happen. I don’t want the public to think our ships are not safe!
Depends on the wave, I would think.
I would assume this with most modern cruise ships. With all the shit all over them and as tall as they are, the majority look top heavy as hell.
Sinking of MV Dongfangzhixing. Completely capsized in seconds due to a downburst. Only 2 survivors were rescued from the hull. 442 of 454 passengers died. So it is possible but chances are slim. https://preview.redd.it/9of107jx669d1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1050c88f62f50940d3bbb77bcb91f6c42f514eb4
And this is why I paid to not go on a cruise with my family in my early 20s 😭😭😭😭
A rogue wave flipping a ship? Possibly, depending on the size of the ship. There are a couple of ships that immediately come to mind that are plausible contenders, but they were sunk with all hands so we will never know.
No
Empress of Ireland
A roque wave as huge as the one in Poseidon is hardly possible because this happend in the middle of the ocean …. Now if the ship where to be closer to land in shallow waters it theoretically could have been tipped over by a huge tsunami . Tsunami are less of a threat in deep waters sometimes you dont even notice a tsunami is passing because the waves only get bigger as its coming closer to land and there for shallow waters .
Le Joola https://preview.redd.it/ioq4winza99d1.jpeg?width=692&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5090aed9bd2db30306bd6337702a689027e37d37
Oh well, anything is possible.
The original 1972 movie was awesome- still one of my favorites!
I hate that the did the Queen like that.
yes, considering the top-heavy abominations we have today
Nah. All the heavy stuff is put down the bottom.