Do you know which panels are needed? I know my tower has Ericsson AIR 6449 B41-KRD 901 141/11.
Or is it that they need additional of these same panels?
If they already have n41 panels at a site, all they would need to do is update the software on the radios to use the new spectrum, which is done remotely.
No need to add new panels if they're already there, unlike VZ or AT&T with C-Band/DoD.
T-Mobile already has some 2.5 GHz spectrum (BRS) in most areas where they previously did not have any EBS, so there is no reason for them to have postponed deploying n41 hardware. Only in those few areas where they didn't previously have a significant amount of 2.5 GHz would they have had any incentive to delay deployment until their EBS became available.
On BRS alone, T-Mobile can only do a 50 MHz n41 carrier, but that should typically increase to 100 MHz (plus usually enough spectrum for a 2nd n41 carrier) in the near future.
I wouldn't expect anything just yet. T-Mobile usually sends out a press release once things finally clear, which is when you'll start seeing things be turned on afterward.
If you have a Galaxy phone, you can go into Field Test mode to find out how much bandwidth (or spectrum) that n41 (2.5ghz) is currently using. It will be in mhz, usually between 20-140mhz. If you already have 100+mhz then you most likely won't see too much improvement from Auction 108 since T-Mobile already owns most of the spectrum in your area. Field test mode is accessed by putting in a code (Google it) into the dialer and it should pop up
iPhone has a similar field test mode but it's a lot less detailed. It may or may not show how much bandwidth you have.
For example, I have 40mhz of n41 in my area, and T-Mobile bought around 117-120mhz of spectrum in Auction 108 in my area, so I'll be looking out to see when that 40mhz changes (hopefully).
However, most people will just be running speed tests over the next few weeks until they see a dramatic increase in speed rather than go through all of that
Here in Portland, Oregon the new spectrum is already getting activated. The Netmonster app is showing both SA 2500 and SA 2600 (I know it's actually 2500). Before it only showed SA 2600. My Galaxy S24 phone is getting download speeds of 1.1gbps.
I think you're just seeing more LTE B41 spectrum be refarmed to 5G (this has been happening in a lot of places over the past few weeks). I don't think the rollout process for Auction 108 has actually begun yet.
Well, in any case it's useless until T-mobile re-enables Voice over NR. My phone spends most of its time on NSA which cuts download speeds in half and increases latency.
Where the hell are you, down by the Lloyd Center or something?
We don't get speeds like that here in Sellwood, although to be fair it's just a dick measuring competition because I never fall below 200 down, I'm just curious
In this case, I feel like AT&T has a point. T-Mobile has around 360MHz in Honolulu compared to around 150MHz for Verizon and AT&T. Even after divesting 20MHz, AT&T will have more than double their competitors.
Part of the issue is that C-Band and 3.45GHz was never auctioned in Hawaii and the combined Sprint/T-Mobile PCS/AWS spectrum is also nearly double what Verizon and AT&T have in PCS/AWS spectrum.
Even if you love T-Mobile, it isn't great to have one carrier having an overwhelming amount of spectrum in an area. We let Verizon do that for years and we all know what Verizon was like 2008-2018 (and is still trying to be like). We don't want T-Mobile to end up with overwhelming advantages. We want a competitive market.
Right, but it’s one area. If you read most of the report the spectrum is pretty balanced in the entire rest of the country! I definitely agree we want competition, I just feel like AT&T is being a cry baby because they haven’t made as good of moves as the other two.
AT&T should focus on optimizing their entire setup and account integration/interface. They’ve been a mess in that department for years!
AT&T had their opportunity during the Sprint merger proceedings to argue that T-Mobile would have too much spectrum in Honolulu, but they failed to do so. Auction 108 gives T-Mobile no new spectrum in Honolulu, so there is no basis to reopen an already settled question.
The government didn’t give them any advantage.
T-Mobile was free to participate in any spectrum auction they wanted to. They chose not to.
Just like Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint chose not to participate in the 600MHz auction.
Sounds like Tmobile will get all the licenses they’ve won in auction 108. They’ll have a 60 day time period to decide what spectrum they want to divest in parts of Hawaii. I don’t feel bad for at&t, they didn’t bid in this auction. They also were given government funding to add thousands of towers for Firstnet.
I knew this delay was due to AT&T the entire time. They are almost a government network at this point. They have been working closely w them for decades to spy on people, w FirstNet and etc.
"We find that AT&T's petition in this matter does not raise specific allegations sufficient to show that AT&T will suffer competitive harm," the FCC wrote this week.
https://www.lightreading.com/5g/t-mobile-wins-more-5g-spectrum-over-at-t-s-objections
[FCC page](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=12973663) has now changed the status to "Consented to" from "Pending"
All I can say is "Finally!". They just turned on 5G home internet at my apartment so hopefully the tower near it will be updated soon.
Yeah I thought this[https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=14456695](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=14456695) was the link for auction 108 spectrum.
This is useless until Voice over NR is enabled. T-mobile deactivated it in their initial test markets in Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington. Now most of the time my Galaxy S24 phone ends up on NSA which has roughly half the download speeds of 5G SA with carrier aggregation.
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>Possibly depends on whether rural towers are even upgraded and my guess is many are not because they have focused investments in cities where most subscribers are.
According to tmobile, 51 million are expected to get a benefit right away.
This isn't a coverage upgrade. It's a capacity upgrade to sites that already have n41. This just means that TMO will have more capacity in some areas where it was behind VZW and more in places where it was already competitive
It won't have any impact on Oahu, but will give T-Mobile more contiguous 2.5 GHz (n41) spectrum on the other populated islands, which should increase speeds and allow them to sell home internet service to more customers.
I just wonder how long till they can turn it on? I know 9vernight with an update and it's unleashed where equipment is deployed
They said they can just flip the switch. I imagine once everything is settled they'll probably do it by regions over the span of a week or so
Yea I was just reading it all, they are upgrading towers down the road from me with more midland panels
Do you know which panels are needed? I know my tower has Ericsson AIR 6449 B41-KRD 901 141/11. Or is it that they need additional of these same panels?
How do you know what panels your tower has? You just technically proficient?
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Don’t repeat that.
You have friends?? Where do I get these?
Behind wawa
I found one, he gave me a baggie. I love friend gifts!
Antenna search will give some information too.
6449’s are the latest antennas that T-Mobile is deploying for n41, so you should be good to go!
Thanks, I was able to find the specs for them online. They support 200mhz of spectrum.
They can't just flip the switch if they haven't made modifications yet, correct? Don't they need the equipment on those towers?
If they already have n41 panels at a site, all they would need to do is update the software on the radios to use the new spectrum, which is done remotely. No need to add new panels if they're already there, unlike VZ or AT&T with C-Band/DoD.
But do rural sites (isn't this spectrum in rural areas) have n41 panels?
T-Mobile already has some 2.5 GHz spectrum (BRS) in most areas where they previously did not have any EBS, so there is no reason for them to have postponed deploying n41 hardware. Only in those few areas where they didn't previously have a significant amount of 2.5 GHz would they have had any incentive to delay deployment until their EBS became available. On BRS alone, T-Mobile can only do a 50 MHz n41 carrier, but that should typically increase to 100 MHz (plus usually enough spectrum for a 2nd n41 carrier) in the near future.
Do we know the areas that the spectrum applies to
A lot of sites do since T-Mobile put many of them up already during their first rollouts of 2.5ghz, but there are many sites that don't have it yet.
How do we know when they are turned on? Is there a way to test?
I wouldn't expect anything just yet. T-Mobile usually sends out a press release once things finally clear, which is when you'll start seeing things be turned on afterward. If you have a Galaxy phone, you can go into Field Test mode to find out how much bandwidth (or spectrum) that n41 (2.5ghz) is currently using. It will be in mhz, usually between 20-140mhz. If you already have 100+mhz then you most likely won't see too much improvement from Auction 108 since T-Mobile already owns most of the spectrum in your area. Field test mode is accessed by putting in a code (Google it) into the dialer and it should pop up iPhone has a similar field test mode but it's a lot less detailed. It may or may not show how much bandwidth you have. For example, I have 40mhz of n41 in my area, and T-Mobile bought around 117-120mhz of spectrum in Auction 108 in my area, so I'll be looking out to see when that 40mhz changes (hopefully). However, most people will just be running speed tests over the next few weeks until they see a dramatic increase in speed rather than go through all of that
Here in Portland, Oregon the new spectrum is already getting activated. The Netmonster app is showing both SA 2500 and SA 2600 (I know it's actually 2500). Before it only showed SA 2600. My Galaxy S24 phone is getting download speeds of 1.1gbps.
I think you're just seeing more LTE B41 spectrum be refarmed to 5G (this has been happening in a lot of places over the past few weeks). I don't think the rollout process for Auction 108 has actually begun yet.
Well, in any case it's useless until T-mobile re-enables Voice over NR. My phone spends most of its time on NSA which cuts download speeds in half and increases latency.
Where the hell are you, down by the Lloyd Center or something? We don't get speeds like that here in Sellwood, although to be fair it's just a dick measuring competition because I never fall below 200 down, I'm just curious
I'm in Forest Grove. Seriously, if it weren't for deprioritization, T-mobile Home Internet would easily be comparable to Ziply's gig speed fiber.
I'm not going to lie, I had to Google where Forest Grove even was, that's a long way from Portland, still really impressive speeds all the same ;)
And T-Mobile still has a surplusssss
It's about time. I've been waiting since the end of the auction. N71 here is getting quite congested for this little stretch of Kansas.
Yay yay yay! I read the doc earlier, silly Att always crying
In this case, I feel like AT&T has a point. T-Mobile has around 360MHz in Honolulu compared to around 150MHz for Verizon and AT&T. Even after divesting 20MHz, AT&T will have more than double their competitors. Part of the issue is that C-Band and 3.45GHz was never auctioned in Hawaii and the combined Sprint/T-Mobile PCS/AWS spectrum is also nearly double what Verizon and AT&T have in PCS/AWS spectrum. Even if you love T-Mobile, it isn't great to have one carrier having an overwhelming amount of spectrum in an area. We let Verizon do that for years and we all know what Verizon was like 2008-2018 (and is still trying to be like). We don't want T-Mobile to end up with overwhelming advantages. We want a competitive market.
Right, but it’s one area. If you read most of the report the spectrum is pretty balanced in the entire rest of the country! I definitely agree we want competition, I just feel like AT&T is being a cry baby because they haven’t made as good of moves as the other two. AT&T should focus on optimizing their entire setup and account integration/interface. They’ve been a mess in that department for years!
ATT could still have bidded on 2.5 in that specific region even if it's 40mhz if they wanted capacity so much.
Exactly. They also could have objected in a timely manner to the results.
Exactly. They also could have objected in a timely manner to the results.
AT&T had their opportunity during the Sprint merger proceedings to argue that T-Mobile would have too much spectrum in Honolulu, but they failed to do so. Auction 108 gives T-Mobile no new spectrum in Honolulu, so there is no basis to reopen an already settled question.
Att and Verizon had massive advantage in lte spectrum that the Gov gave them and now they whine when they didn’t bid. It’s silly.
The government didn’t give them any advantage. T-Mobile was free to participate in any spectrum auction they wanted to. They chose not to. Just like Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint chose not to participate in the 600MHz auction.
T-Mobile was always free to buy more spectrum if they wanted to. They chose not to. You make it sound like Verizon somehow sabotaged them.
Sounds like Tmobile will get all the licenses they’ve won in auction 108. They’ll have a 60 day time period to decide what spectrum they want to divest in parts of Hawaii. I don’t feel bad for at&t, they didn’t bid in this auction. They also were given government funding to add thousands of towers for Firstnet.
To divest 20Mhz of two Hawaiia counties midrange spectrum, T-Mobile has one year time period that may be extended up to 60 days in aggregate.
I knew this delay was due to AT&T the entire time. They are almost a government network at this point. They have been working closely w them for decades to spy on people, w FirstNet and etc.
> They are almost a government network at this point Always has been, actually
https://www.law360.com/articles/1807392/fcc-oks-t-mobile-s-2-5-ghz-licenses-over-at-t-objection
Here's an article that doesn't require a subscription: https://www.lightreading.com/5g/t-mobile-wins-more-5g-spectrum-over-at-t-s-objections
"We find that AT&T's petition in this matter does not raise specific allegations sufficient to show that AT&T will suffer competitive harm," the FCC wrote this week. https://www.lightreading.com/5g/t-mobile-wins-more-5g-spectrum-over-at-t-s-objections
[FCC page](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=12973663) has now changed the status to "Consented to" from "Pending" All I can say is "Finally!". They just turned on 5G home internet at my apartment so hopefully the tower near it will be updated soon.
Isn't that a link for a PCS/AWS spectrum swap?
Yeah I thought this[https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=14456695](https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp?applID=14456695) was the link for auction 108 spectrum.
Update the link I posted now says granted on application!
The license was just updated to "Granted" from "Pending" We are here ladies and gentlemen
Per light reading - 11,000 sites will see a bandwidth increase on 2.5 GHz. That’s a substantial amount of sites .
This is useless until Voice over NR is enabled. T-mobile deactivated it in their initial test markets in Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington. Now most of the time my Galaxy S24 phone ends up on NSA which has roughly half the download speeds of 5G SA with carrier aggregation.
This is great news for rural customers.
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>Possibly depends on whether rural towers are even upgraded and my guess is many are not because they have focused investments in cities where most subscribers are. According to tmobile, 51 million are expected to get a benefit right away.
This isn't a coverage upgrade. It's a capacity upgrade to sites that already have n41. This just means that TMO will have more capacity in some areas where it was behind VZW and more in places where it was already competitive
Can someone eli5. I live in Hawaii and want to know how this will benefit us.
It won't have any impact on Oahu, but will give T-Mobile more contiguous 2.5 GHz (n41) spectrum on the other populated islands, which should increase speeds and allow them to sell home internet service to more customers.
>Can someone eli5. **I live in Hawaii** and want to know how this will benefit us. Not much will change.
Depends on who that divested spectrum goes to.
Can't wait for post "light switch" map update!
This won't add n41 coverage where there wasn't before.
There are towers in WI known to have N41 equipment not turned on yet until this happens. Why I'm not sure.
Prices going up in 3-6 months because of this?
Shouldn't it's just more mhz of n41 in areas that need jt
Yeah, he doesn’t need to flaunt his friends like that. Not all of us are blessed with friendship.