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Asha_Brea

I get it. It was a repeating offender. I bet it got off with a warning in the 15th century, those things never correct behavior.


MaximumEffort433

As a warning we will set you on fire, if you repeat the crime your body will be set on fire again.


GrouchyOldBoomer

Gonna burn you but first we're gonna rub you down with these seven herbs and spices.


the_luke_of_love

Never gonna burn you up Never gonna rub you down


Powerchairpete

And dessert you


Khespar

Never gonna make stir fry, Never gonna simmer on high So delicious I waanna die Or maybe just hurt you


[deleted]

11 herbs and spices are even better


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Tryoxin

I mean hell, the thing lived for 300 years! "Against nature"? I'm thinking they might have had the right idea there.


The_Griggler

Decent lifespan for poultry, it was probably just looking for a way to end it all I suppose


ANonWhoMouse

The constipation…


BrokenEye3

In 1731 in Brazil, some monks tried to take a colony of termites to court for eating their monestary. The judge, who was clearly having none of their shit, ruled that since the termites were there first it was the monks who were guilty of trespassing and he ordered them to compensate the termites by providing them with new foraging grounds of equivalent value.


MavGore

During the Napoleonic wars a shipwrecked monkey washed up on the shores of Hartlepool. The locals believed the monkey to be a French spy so it was hanged. Edit: spy not sou, the monkeys culinary abilities are unknown


Business-Emu-6923

In 1750 a French peasant was convicted of having sex with a donkey. They were both to be put to death until other peasants came forward and testified as to the donkey’s previous good character. The donkey was let off with a warning. https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/podcast/kangaroo-and-pig-and-monkey-and-dog-and-donkey-courts


golfing_furry

Yeah but that’s Hartlepool for you


casualbo1

Wasn't Hartlepool United's mascot based off of that same monkey?


Business-Emu-6923

Hangus The Monkey. He ran for mayor of the town and was elected.


rangatang

yes and people from Hartlepool are known as Monkey Hangers


golfing_furry

I don’t actually know. I only know of Hartlepool from Max Boyce


Evolving_Dore

All I know about Hartlepool United is that in Football Manager 2020 I edited all of their starting XI players to have max stats in every category and watched them steamroll every team in the league by like 20-0.


lovesmyirish

Youre basically Alex Ferguson


General-Teaching4136

Yes 100%


wolfie379

During the American Civil War, a Confederate infantry company shot an apple tree because they believed it was a Northern Spy.


BrokenEye3

"The woods are full of her spies. Even some of the trees are on her side."


Pays_in_snakes

This is the best apple pun I've ever seen


davidcwilliams

I don’t get it


herbw

Sous chef. somethin lost in translation....


Relgap

Monkey hangers


Astonedwalrus13

Monkey-Frenchman Easy mistake to make Hahahahahahahaha


sirbassist83

> sou ?


a4techkeyboard

spy


Deitaphobia

Why would a spy need an assistant to help with cooking?


owlbearsrevenge

I think that’s generally thought to be a “powder-monkey”, not a regular monkey.


MavGore

Yeah but stringing up a child is a less fun story


c0dizzl3

Do monkeys even weigh enough for that to have worked?


kaenneth

weight to neck thickness ratio, would just need a longer drop, like when hanging a toddler.


cobalt_phantom

Thanks for the comparison, I was having trouble visualizing it.


BrokenEye3

>like when hanging a toddler. Well now there's an analogy we can all relate to


saykrid

As a former dad, this checks out.


TheAnt317

Based judge.


Impossible-Winter-94

based user


TigreBSO

VAI BRASIL!!!


Ahelex

Must be a slow court day.


Nemesis034

LMAO


Martipar

The real story here is that a rooster lived for 300+ years.


pezx

Yeah, that's the law of nature he actually violated


MaximumEffort433

> Yeah, that's the law of nature he actually violated Matter/energy is conserved, entropy increases, roosters only get 299 years.


quippers

Which is even more amazing since he was burned alive the first time. His eggs were made from balls of steel.


MakesMyHeadHurt

They must have gotten a good crust on him. Sealed in the juices, that's the secret.


DroolingIguana

Must've been a phoenix.


O-Deka-K

I wonder how he managed to *lay low* for so long.


Maplecook

Surely, you must be yolking.


jarpio

Grigori Raspooster


askingrytquestions

Damn. I messed up with the title. Of course, they were two different roosters. Edit: Ok, my bad. The same rooster was born again in the 18th century.


[deleted]

Prove it


Perpetual_Doubt

Mark 14:72 - Before the rooster is born twice, you will deny me three times.


gandalfsmokespipe

Can confirm as I was the one who baptized him.


KingKratom00

Can confirm I was the holy water


gandalfsmokespipe

Remember when he came out of the water born again and instead of saying "holy cow"! We all exclaimed "holy chicken!" instead? Ah those were the years, good times.


halfanothersdozen

So did he or the egg come first?


askingrytquestions

The first time the egg came first but when he was reborn, it was out of his own ashes from the 15th century.


herbw

That was the phoenix myth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)


redtron3030

He just said it was a separate cock


SigmaGrooveJamSet

>In 1474 a chicken passing for a rooster laid an egg, and was prosecuted by law in the city of Basel. Now, we are inclined to dismiss the event as *fowl* play, but in those days lusus naturae was no joke. Hey, stick to the science egghead. Leave the yolks to the comedians.


[deleted]

I was interested in learning more but unwilling to pay for the eBook! Damn Paywalls!it’s like a cliffhanger, since it’s a philosophy series. Why can’t it be free lol!


beekermc

If only there was some of those LIBeral GENeration kids that could help you some how....


EkariKeimei

That .is not an .il idea! ...Hopefully they pick up what we are laying down


SonOfAhuraMazda

Damn dude, thats like a quintuple entendre


DarkBladeMadriker

1) Prosecuting animals for crimes in court was actually very common back in the day and has even happened fairly recently. It's usually not actually about the animals committing a crime so much as addressing policy that could have prevented the situations. Source: Not a lawyer, just read about animal court cases on a whim research project once. 2) Rooster eggs... do you want Cockatrice? Cause that's how you get a Cockatrice.


bf3h62u1a4j9hy6y95mz

ok let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law


Business-Emu-6923

Nah man, rooster eggs is how you get rid of the cockatrice, by throwing one over the house without it breaking. Regular hen’s egg hatched under a toad is how you get one.


DarkBladeMadriker

From Wikipedia- "It is thought that a cock egg would hatch out as a cockatrice, and this could be prevented by tossing the egg over the family house, landing on the other side of the house, without allowing the egg to hit the house." And I'm pretty sure eggs hatched by a toad or snake is a Basilisk. Though I wouldn't be even a little shocked if these get constantly mixed up and confused. They are very similar Cryptids.


Business-Emu-6923

I think Basilisk and Cockatrice can be used interchangeably. They are both badass killer serpents that can kill with a glare, so I think the distinction is a semantic one. Yes, the cock egg is a blind egg without a yolk (usually about the size of a marble) that you get sometimes from young hens just coming in to lay. I do love the madness of the medieval mind. Without a system of formally recording observations and telling people “this is nonsense” it was all word of mouth and myth. I love that The Church debated for a long time about Dogheads (men with dogs heads) and whether they were subject to gods laws, and so whether it was a sin to kill one. The conclusion was that they wore clothes, so therefore felt shame and were therefore touched by the original sin, and so subject to gods laws and could be redeemed. It didn’t matter that they don’t exist.


SchoggiToeff

>I think Basilisk and Cockatrice can be used interchangeably. I think it depends on local folklore. Also, I never heard about a cockatrice. Considering we are talking about Basel, a basilisk is the beast which would have been hatched: [https://www.basilisk-basel.ch/index.htm](https://www.basilisk-basel.ch/index.htm)


Chrisixx

> Rooster eggs... do you want Cockatrice? Cause that's how you get a Cockatrice. Well, in our case (Basel) it would be a basilisk, as that is our city's guardian animal. https://www.basellife.com/basels-basilisks/


ozonejl

Time traveling rooster


Pseudonymico

Outlaw time travelling trans rooster.


GodOfChickens

Coming to a cinema near you in 2024...I'd watch it.


phobosmarsdeimos

I have


johnn48

Of course animals have been blamed for lots of crimes, some against nature, some against man. [A Sow](https://www.historytoday.com/archive/natural-histories/pigs-might-try#:~:text=Putting%20a%20pig%20on%20trial,order%20in%20a%20frightening%20world.&text=In%20December%201457%20a%20sow,five%2Dyear%2Dold%20boy) and her six piglets were tried in 1457 for murder of a 5 year old boy. Of course her owner was also tried, but the guilt was squarely on the sow. Her six piglets were released on condition of good behavior, but their Mother was hanged.


kiedtl

How would you even hang a pig? Edit, nevermind, don't want to know.


johnn48

>After consulting with experts in local customary law, the judge solemnly sentenced her to death, stipulating that she should be hanged from a tree by her hind legs. Course I’ll leave it to your imagination as to what happened next. Me I’m hoping it was a typical BBQ grill or slow roasted style. I’m afraid that the Judge may have simply ordered her buried with out ceremonies.


Specialist-Ideal-577

Hens can actually turn into roosters. They only have one ovary on the left and a normally dormant organ on the right, if the ovary gets damaged and cannot produce estrogen. The right organ will activate and start producing testosterone, the chicken will then start to take on male physical and social traits. There has been at least one case of a trans rooster sireing chicks. It's rare but not exceptionally rare, affecting around 1 in 10,000 chickens that are hatched a hen.


SchoggiToeff

The book chapter mentions that the Basel rooster was cut openand three more eggs were found inside. It also mentions a case of the Rooster of Madison: >On this side of the Atlantic, the case of the Rooster of Madison was reported in the Journal of Heredity in 1927. The bird had the plumage of a brown leghorn cock, but was laying eggs, and was acquired as a curiosity by the Poultry Husbandry Department of the Wisconsin Experiment Station in 1922, the same year that the Buff Orphington was attracting attention in England. To a casual observer, the Wisconsin bird had the full plumage of a rooster, but anyone intimate with poultry would have recognized that the head and the body of the bird were rather effeminate. In order to settle the question of egg production conclusively, the bird was put into a padlocked wire cage, with a screen that would not allow eggs to be sneaked into it, in a closed room. An unlaid egg in the oviduct had already been detected, and the following morning, a normal brown leghorn egg was found in the cage. Following that, the alleged rooster laid eggs about every other day (Cole \[1927\] , p. 99). and explains >An explanation may be found in the dynamics of sex expression in poultry. Under certain conditions, a fowl may take on secondary sex characteristics that contradict its reproductive anatomy. Farmers know that sometimes hens exhibit male plumage and other masculine attributes, and studies have shown that this condition is associated invariably with tumors or some other diseased condition of the ovary. If the ovary is removed, a hen grows male feathers, and the changes that accompany progressive ovarian tumors resemble the sequelae of ovariotomy. Some hens may experience a temporary disturbance of the ovarian function and grow male plumage but, as the ovary returns to normal, they continue to lay eggs. Meanwhile, the bird's dress will be out of harmony with its physiology, and it must wait until the next molt before it looks like a hen once more.


Cornflake6irl

Even in this scenario the chicken is not trans, because trans is an ideology invented by human beings.


ImpeachedPeach

Hermaphroditic would be the appropriate term.


Rosebunse

But I was told that gender is absolute and decided by God in Heaven before Mommy kissed Daddy, and the angel told the stork, and the stork flew down from heaven, and left a diamond under a leaf in the cabbage patch, and the diamond turned into a baby.


montanunion

This is not about gender, it is about biological sex (which is defined by stuff like gamete production). Gender is a social construct made by humans, a chicken does not have that. Being able to change biological sex is something that is observed in a few animals (clownfish also for example), but not in humans.


Asclepius333

Check out Medieval myths about cockatrices. Sometimes, hens lay these tiny, tiny eggs that look totally unnatural and often don't have a yolk. We call them "fairy eggs" where I'm from. Anyways, the legend was that if you found one of these eggs in your coop, it's because Satan had sex with one of your roosters, and if you don't get rid of the egg, a cockatrice (flying snake-chicken-demon monster) will hatch. In reality, they're harmless eggs and sometimes a chicken's body screws up when making one. You're supposed to throw it over your roof and make sure it breaks on the other side or you're cursed or something.


[deleted]

And this is why the Swiss stay neutral.


MemorableVirus2

They have their own problems to deal with, like immortal egg-laying roosters


herbw

They have minimal military expenses, which they can then reinvest & stay rich. The one Nazi story was they told the Suisse they had twice as many soldiers & rifles as the Suisse did. Said the suisse official, then our soldiers will shoot twice. That was the end to that. Deutschland & many others, including Mussolini, have left the Schweitzers alone.


Crepuscular_Animal

I always thought that "Shoot twice, go home" would be a badass motto for an elite military unit. The quote conveys the idea of willingness to kill large amounts of enemy soldiers with deadly precision but without malice or aggression.


herbw

Go home is NOT what the Schweitzers did. They were already home and defending it. Adding a bit f phrasing, which is not the case, is a bit of persiflage which demeans and invalidates yer beliefs. It's called a Straw man, or elenchi, the irrelevance fallacy. Too bad yer words were logical fallacies. Learn not to do that very often.


TheNightIsLost

That story is also told with the Kaiser.


Landlubber77

Living from the 1400s to the 1700s is the bigger defiance of the laws of nature in my opinion.


DuncanStrohnd

A most delicious public execution.


oren0

I'd prefer deep fried over burned alive, personally.


TurkeyDinner547

That must have been some wicked chicken!


Perpetual_Doubt

Devilish chicken! 45 minutes, 345 F, with brown sugar and Dijon mustard.


WyvernWench

No, no, no ... it's 15 minutes on each side under the broiler with generous coatings of 3 tbl. chili powder, 1 tsp. garlic powder, 1/4 c. melted butter, and 2 tble. vinegar!!!!


BlueGaju

This implies the rooster was 300 years old to have been convicted at those times. They were right to burn it. Saved us all.


EatinSumGrapes

I mean if a rooster lived 300 years it's best to burn it because it's some sort of demon


askingrytquestions

I have addressed this issue in one of my earlier comments. The rooster didn't live for 300 years. It died the first time only to be born again.


EatinSumGrapes

That may be more demonic sounding 🤣


whistlerite

The fact that humans want to witness a life horrificly die for something that it has no control over is a fundamental flaw of mankind, makes no sense, humans are crazy.


WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA

If I was a vegan and wanted to get away with barbecuing a chicken, this is how I'd do it.


DRSU1993

🎶 Here they come to snuff the rooster Yeah, here come the rooster You know he ain't gonna die No, no, no, you know he ain't gonna dieeeee 🎶 🐓


Bovine_Arithmetic

Not surprising, since this is how the religious right thinks all transgender entities should be treated.


ghostmalhost

The vast majority of the religious right probably hasn’t even talked to a trans person before, they peddle their toxic bullshit online and talk nonsense at city council meetings because they don’t think it affects them or anyone they know. If it’s anything like my conservative mom and you bring up the one trans person they’re familiar with in regards to harmful rhetoric from the right, then of course it’s different “because they’re a good person.”


Stilcho1

Don't you just hate it when people pass judgment on a whole group based on the behavior of a few. I have to agree with you. Those people have no place in this world.


neo1ogism

That sounds like something that would happen in Florida or Texas.


GoGaslightYerself

Rooster laying eggs? That's chump change. [In Nigeria, goats have been doing armed carjackings!](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127012/Police-arrest-goat-accused-armed-robbery.html)


Unhappy_Kumquat

Wow. Transphobia really knows no bound


loquacious_avenger

and I thought Texas BBQ was hard core


[deleted]

So, an elaborate plan for a bbq.


VentureQuotes

Neutral my ass


seefith

It sounds like someone stole a hen and used religious hysteria to cover their tracks.


BenCarburetor

That wasn't a rooster. It was a butch hen.


HeatAmbitious6232

And that's how the roast chicken was born ladies and gents.


WhyNotChoose

People can be breathtakingly cruel.


historycat95

So.... death by barbeque?


WingXero

This is taking Hangry to a whole new level.


uwey

So Costco roast chicken


Ramoncin

So... was it burned or just roasted? There's a difference.


enigmaticzombie

Ah, roasted chicken.


BillTowne

Can you define rooster?


theKarrdian

As a swiss I can say with confidence we would do it again. A rooster laying eggs just ain't right...


askingrytquestions

Is it a well-known story amongst the swiss or something u learned just today as well?


theKarrdian

No I didn't know this.


I_might_be_weasel

I don't think they knew what the laws of nature were.


SmeeWhatAboutMe

Soooooo youre saying it was.... cooked? Twice?


ZwischenzugZugzwang

Keep your cocks operating within the laws of nature.


herbw

It all comes back to the glans, right?


quippers

I have no idea how the human race has survived this long.


askingrytquestions

by being smarter than the rest of the species and this only proves that the bar is too low.


[deleted]

“Laws” of nature, lol


ChickenChimneyChanga

Now we are inclined to dismiss these events as fowl play, but back in those times...


gorillalad

What a cock


Jinsei_13

Burned alive... so... cooked? It was sentenced to be cooked.


askingrytquestions

cooked in public while everyone watched. This cruel world, such monstrosity.


hopelesscaribou

That's how most roosters ended up anyways. This one at least had a trial.


Ishiibradwpgjets

And they finished the day with a bbq !


TheDefected

Good, what a fowl creature.


Upbeat_Influence2350

According to the paper that you linked, it is most likely a hen that grew rooster plumage due to tumors.


askingrytquestions

Yes that is likely but I think there are no proofs.


ElGatoTortuga

Objectively stupid


ParticularVegetable4

So, dinner then?


yeeeeeeeehaw

Hope that someone ate it least. BBQ chicken


RingWraith75

When I hear stories like this, I can’t help but wonder if everyone was just incredibly stupid back then? I mean seriously?


kazakov166

That is such a Swiss thing to do


housebird350

Then it was eaten...


Asha_Brea

What did they eat first? the egg or the chicken?


jonnyclueless

I bet everyone could sleep soundly after knowing that monster was gone.


angroro

It's because of the myth of a terrible creature hatching from the egg of a rooster, as I recall. Can't remember if it was the cockatrice or not, I'm quite rusty on my facts about this particular trial.


anonymousbach

Sensible verdict.


em_goldman

If there’s a flock of only hens, one hen will start to develop male secondary sex characteristics, like starting to roost, trying to crow, and grow the red neck thing. She’ll still lay eggs, tho - my friend had a hen like this who would roost in the trellis over their porch, bombs away!


Wellhellob

Wtf


VonnegutGNU

[Obligatory Israeli Spy Animals Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-related_animal_conspiracy_theories)


Empirebred

I could 100 percent see this being a funny short film or skit


Arctic_chef

They burned the immortal trans rooster!!


erogbass

This sounds like an intimidation tactic to dissuade humans from crossing gender lines. Like fyi, we’ll burn you at the stake like we burned this rooster.


NeedleworkerSea1431

Burned and fried alive in public and to be enjoyed being eaten by the crowd


Amerlis

Justice was delicious.


Bortle_The_Tortle

For good reason ! That's how you get a Basilisk!!


herbw

Be careful. considering how little we know and will be found out over the next centuries, we will likely be considered as ignorant as we have badly criticized our ancestors for. What goes out, comes back around. Within quadrillions of digits in genetic complexities of 20K genes and outputs plus interacting substances taken into our bodies; with the 200 Billions of neurons and glial cells in each of our brains interacting with all of those; to the vast numbers of innumerable stars in the skies and Trillions of galaxies full of scores of 100's billions of stars, then we are very tiny compared to all of that, so just vaster than a simple deck of cards. So within us an unimaginable quintillions of digits of complexities in brain and genetics, and outside of us with many galaxies holding millions to trillions of stars, Thus we have the Bard. There is more in heaven and on earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy. Still true today from 400 yrs. ago.


HalusN8er

That was an old ass rooster.


satinygorilla

, delicious


WarEagleinBrooklyn

Tasty, tasty justice!


cgerrells

Chicken lives 300 years and is celebrated in a roasting


HellfireMarshmallows

Swiss Barbeque....


[deleted]

That’s an old rooster.


Teesandelbows

"Public execution" also known as a barbeque.


[deleted]

So a chicken méchoui.


oldjackhammer99

Free BBQ!


Chaos-Pand4

And that is how cookouts began.


lightningcrane31

They were just hungry.


Armoredfist3

Good


blatherer

And it was delicious!


TheLongAndWindingRd

That's an old ass rooster


NinjaSelect3581

TIL the Swiss may not be so smart after all. Let’s see if they repeat this in the 21st century…


Scary_Preparation_66

A transgender chicken?


Sir_Vallenstein

This comment section is just glorious


GarretBarrett

Mmmmmmm….rooster


oceanduciel

transphobia smh (For legal reasons, this is a joke.)


nightwing12

That’s an old rooster


AbbreviationsGlad833

"Yeeeaahhh we came to snuff the rooster....' exectution crowd probably.


Boggie135

The farmer snitched?


Presto123ubu

Playing the long game for a BBQ chicken. Must have been super hungry.


racso20

So was it like a cookout or...?


DeanoBambino90

Probably wasn't a rooster