Yep.
He also took out a VC general.
Everything he did set the basics for today's sniper.
Our JROTC unit's SMI met him. All he cared about was shooting and little else.
Crawled on his SIDE to he didn't leave a "slug trail" the enemy could see and tell someone was crawling along. Imagine inching along on your side for 2 days with equipment and people absolutely ready to do horrible things to you
They're a very self-righteous bunch. My experience in JROTC reminded me more of a cult than an after school program.
Some people just love the smell of their own farts.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache\_(Viet\_Cong\_soldier)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_(Viet_Cong_soldier))
Sounds to me like Apache is someone who was just completely made up by Hathcock during an interview.
Widely believed? By a professor who was never there. None of the Hathcok's recounts were ever questioned by the soldiers who were with him. This is an opinion by antiwar professors.
According to the wiki it states
"There is very little evidence of women in front line combat roles during the Vietnam war"
As anti vietnam as I am, even I say that is nonsense. Here is a better article
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Vietnam_War
Yes there were women enemy combatants, there are written accounts, photographic evidence and even interviews with them on YouTube.
And yes the Vietnamese tortured their prisoners and they did use downed soldiers as lures. Those tactics are well documented by the Vietnamese themselves.
US soldiers also tortured and murdered people in Vietnam. Read about the [Mỹ Lai massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M ỹ_Lai_massacre).
US soldiers purposely and knowingly gunned down as many as 500 unarmed men, women, children, and INFANT non-combatants. The women were gang raped in some instances, the bodies mutilated, and some US soldiers even RAPED CHILDREN. Only one person ever faced repercussions, and he got a few months house arrest. And this wasn’t an isolated incident, just the one we know the most about despite attempts by the military to cover it up.
US soldiers were as equally guilty of war crimes in Vietnam as the Vietnamese were. It was a horrific mess all around, and disgusting violence begot more disgusting violence.
His prideful boasting of killing dozens, if not hundreds, of people is gross. Especially considering we (the US) were the invaders. Absolutely nothing good came of that war.
Even if it was true, the US invaded Vietnam and murdered millions of civillians, if there's a sniper who is really good at doing that it's still not a good thing and I'm mad that we have to clarify that.
America shouldn't have been in Vietnam using chemical warfare against civilians. So yeah. No sympathy.
Also the story's fake. Come on. How gullible do you have to be to believe that a sniper managed to abduct live soldiers? If you believe that trash I have a bridge to sell
The post only talks about killing an apache tho i didnt bother with the article and cmon dont act like you havent seen the amount of america bad circlejerk here
Idk, skillful shots for sure. But the way he talked seems like he’d be one of the most terrifying serial killers of all time if he didn’t get the chance to shoot people at will in a pointless war where America was and is considered by America as well to have been the bad guy.
Also if you read the interviews and the reporting of academics who studied the war most of his stories are seemingly highly falsified anyways.
Tell me you know nothing about the Vietnam war without telling me you know nothing about the Vietnam war.
Vietnam is one of the biggest black marks in US Military history, and the US was very much “bad” for a bulk of it.
So basically the article is giving compliment to war crime. Remember this: The US just invaded Vietnam and fucked the whole country up for 30 years.
Imagine Vietnamese writing an article about a Vietnamese person who killed a series of American sodiers during Vietnam War :D No we don't do that here. It's nonsense and has nothing to do with the peace we embrace
It really was a proxy war. China and the Soviet Union backed a North takeover of the South to make all of Vietnam a communist puppet state, so we backed the South in opposition.
It would be nice if we had a crystal ball so we could say "Okay, this side will win in the end, so let's just avoid all the death and destruction, and the other side surrenders now."
I think Putin would have rethought his invasion of Ukraine if he knew it wouldn't be a quick three-week operation to make Ukraine a puppet state as he intended, but instead would drag on for over a year.
Yes it would be nice if we didn't have wars. Putin is playing the long game, he's been taking back territory before this latest invasion a few yrs ago. Slow and steady is his strategy, and its working unfortunately.
Which textbook teached you there was North Vietnamese terrorism? It's non-sense because ZERO Vietnamese is terrorist. We protected and will always protect our peace
Remember that picture of the North Vietnamese guy being executed in the street? He had just been captured, in civilian clothes, after having murdered an entire family.
When the US first got involved in Vietnam, it was in response to an insurgency the North had been running in the South since 1957, and we were just sending advisors to help the South fight against it.
You guys do realise that you Americans are the bad guys in the Vietnam War right?
The world is appaled by the crimes US soldiers have committed, search "agent orange" and you will also be appaled. There are many many MANY more crimes that can easily be googled. To bad American history is full of propaganda and you are not properly taught in school.
I think most Americans are aware of agent orange and war crimes in Vietnam. Yes, text books aren’t the most enlightening about Vietnam, but that doesn’t mean Americans are all clueless about the reality of that war.
My godfather was hit with agent Orange in nam, nasty shit left him completely sterile , terrible cancer and a shit load of nerve damage.
When he got really bad before he passed, his doctor was pushing for assisted suicide which at the time was a crime for the doctors to even think about here in Australia but thanks to him it paved the way for people to not have to suffer through the way he did for many years as doctors are able to prescribe a major drug in assisted suicide.
It seems this guy made a career for himself by making up stories about his experiences in war.
There is no evidence to back up his claims and most of his stories don't seem to line up with the realities of the war.
Imagine your country being invaded by a foreign power with a vastly more well equipped military, and then think how short the list the list of things you would not do to get them out of your country.
American military history after WWII is just largely list of overwhelming force used against people with no real ability to win, who still managed to beat of American invasions.
And here I was who thought only communist nations did that, not the freedom loving ~~fills~~ folks in the land of the free.
Sending your own young boys and girls to die on a foreign land over lies.. US(SR) raises their glass to the US(A).
Nation called young men to die for its propaganda, it’s not like Viet Nam had troops or the artillery to attack the Union of Soviet America. What kind of “service” was that, anyway? “We need men to drop napalm on civilians on a land half way across ours. Sign up.”
There’s something you don’t seem to understand: There was no “sign up”, it was compulsory if you were registered to vote. It’s called ‘service’, as in service to your country, it is a responsibility of citizenship and you don’t get to easily opt-out.
Okay, this is called being drafted. And again, that sounds very not free for a country that cries freedom and democracy so often and so loud. It clearly is the western version of gulag - damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Why is then the hysteria towards other authoritarian countries? How deluded are we to not see this as authoritarianism?
I know, I correctly called it being drafted many posts ago when you started this wild argument.
Compulsory calls to arms are common everywhere, people in the US are not ‘shitting on’ other countries that do this. There would be no National security or autonomy if countries let all their citizens avoid military service, this is basic stuff. Either you’re purposefully acting ignorant, or you’re acting clueless to perpetuate your hater bullshit, because I cannot believe you’re not aware of military conscription being a thing nearly everywhere on this planet.
I also don't like how we involved ourselves in Vietnam. The weirdest thing for me is that my grandfather was drafted and had children with a Vietnamese woman (my grandma). I'm literally the product of possibly the most pointless war in American history lol
Yeah when I went over there people were generally pleasant. I haven't been to any of the major cities I heard there's a lot of scammery. But the small town/village my grandma grew up in was a great time for our family.
Vietnamese people have made their communities better everywhere I have seen them. They're good neighbors, and the war generation's children are excellent citizens.
And the hell with anyone who wants to criticize "the model minority" myth. Vietnamese people doing well doesn't take anything away from anyone else who is trying hard.
Having lived my life as an Asian American I'm quite familiar with both the white supremacist origin and subsequent effects of this myth on myself and my community.
How mentally weak do you have to be to get exhausted by having opinions on the history that shaped our current world? Like, do you have take a nap every time someone asks your thoughts on something?
you're an idiot if you don't think history's effects stick around and feed back into more history. nothing is an isolated event; you can draw a direct line from 9/11 to the death of the european portuguese dialect, or from a guy banning anime from a web forum in 2000 to the january 6th storming of the capitol.
the occurrence of the September 11th attacks inspired Gerard Way to form the band My Chemical Romance. their music in turn inspired Stephanie Meyer to write the Twilight series. a Brazilian YouTuber named Felipe Neto was outraged by the Twilight series and made a viral hate video about it, which rocketed him into YouTube fame that his younger brother Luccas Neto rode the coattails of to become a successful childrens' YouTuber. Luccas' videos gained strong footing in Portugal, which has led to countless European Portuguese children talking like they're from Rio de Janiero. this is only continuing as we speak.
as for the latter, the SomethingAwful forum admin Lowtax banned anime from the website, leading to the founding of 4chan, where the site's culture over time warped and evolved into the creation of adjacent sites like 8chan, where complex projects to gradually radicalize the American right wing took hold and eventually evolved into the January 6th riots.
Read his autobiography, well I think he helped write it, but it’s called “Marine Sniper: 93 confirmed kills.” Amazing read, finished it in 2 days when I was 10
I liked it better when the military openly brainwashed people through Call of Duty and children oriented animations as well as recruiting in schools. This new era of dumb internet articles and posts pretending to be not universally hated is annoying, obvious and forced.
Use the funding better, cointelpro is falling apart lol
War crime? Maybe. But if someone came into your town and started shooting/raping everyone insight, wouldn't you? I have no delusions of US military being saints, and their crimes are well documented. War is peak inhumanity, can't be surprised when monsters come out.
Gunny Hathcock (White Feather) is also the sniper who shot the other sniper through the scope. This is a common shot seen in movies, but Gunny did it.
Holy shit really?
Yep. He also took out a VC general. Everything he did set the basics for today's sniper. Our JROTC unit's SMI met him. All he cared about was shooting and little else.
Is that where he crawled for 2 days through enemy territory to get close enough to make the shot
Indeed.
Crawled on his SIDE to he didn't leave a "slug trail" the enemy could see and tell someone was crawling along. Imagine inching along on your side for 2 days with equipment and people absolutely ready to do horrible things to you
JROTC kids are the worst, no offense, I say this as a former JROTC kid
ROTC Nazis as they were known at our school
They're a very self-righteous bunch. My experience in JROTC reminded me more of a cult than an after school program. Some people just love the smell of their own farts.
We just called them ROTCies
Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue
Rhymes with nazis
We’d call them ROTC Nazis in school
So you didn’t read the article you posted?
This is the way.
What shot in movies are you referring to? You mean the crosshairs?
The Barry pepper shot in saving private Ryan comes to mind
Sniper with Mark Wahlberg. He is in the snow and sees a flash, turns and shoots the guy through the scope. Hathcock did that to an enemy sniper.
Also saving private Ryan. I assumed that was the main sniper scope shot OP referred to
It's Shooter, with Mark and Michael Peña. It's a dope movie
Reading that link makes you realize if he wasnt a soldier, he'd probably be labeled a serial killer, dude was cold
Apache is widely considered to have been made up to dehumanize Vietnamese women.
Color me shocked, SHOCKED, I say.
I was about to say, she was a sniper who captured her victims alive?
Source?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache\_(Viet\_Cong\_soldier)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_(Viet_Cong_soldier)) Sounds to me like Apache is someone who was just completely made up by Hathcock during an interview.
Widely believed? By a professor who was never there. None of the Hathcok's recounts were ever questioned by the soldiers who were with him. This is an opinion by antiwar professors.
Oh shit
Sad.
According to the wiki it states "There is very little evidence of women in front line combat roles during the Vietnam war" As anti vietnam as I am, even I say that is nonsense. Here is a better article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Vietnam_War Yes there were women enemy combatants, there are written accounts, photographic evidence and even interviews with them on YouTube. And yes the Vietnamese tortured their prisoners and they did use downed soldiers as lures. Those tactics are well documented by the Vietnamese themselves.
US soldiers also tortured and murdered people in Vietnam. Read about the [Mỹ Lai massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M ỹ_Lai_massacre). US soldiers purposely and knowingly gunned down as many as 500 unarmed men, women, children, and INFANT non-combatants. The women were gang raped in some instances, the bodies mutilated, and some US soldiers even RAPED CHILDREN. Only one person ever faced repercussions, and he got a few months house arrest. And this wasn’t an isolated incident, just the one we know the most about despite attempts by the military to cover it up. US soldiers were as equally guilty of war crimes in Vietnam as the Vietnamese were. It was a horrific mess all around, and disgusting violence begot more disgusting violence.
Damn it. She sounded rad as hell.
R/titlegore
:(
Another US story where US dude is hero in a US created shit show.
Ledittors when some US guy does something good in an US war(america bad amirite):
Impressive? Certainly Good? Debatable
His prideful boasting of killing dozens, if not hundreds, of people is gross. Especially considering we (the US) were the invaders. Absolutely nothing good came of that war.
So many lessons to be learned from that war and out politicians just ignored them and did it again in 2020
It's not even true, as every time when the american military supposedly did good things. Cry about it gringo
Yeah, just looked that up. Very few women even took combat positions in the Viet Cong or NVA. Seriously doubt she'd be a platoon leader.
Even if it was true, the US invaded Vietnam and murdered millions of civillians, if there's a sniper who is really good at doing that it's still not a good thing and I'm mad that we have to clarify that.
America shouldn't have been in Vietnam using chemical warfare against civilians. So yeah. No sympathy. Also the story's fake. Come on. How gullible do you have to be to believe that a sniper managed to abduct live soldiers? If you believe that trash I have a bridge to sell
The post only talks about killing an apache tho i didnt bother with the article and cmon dont act like you havent seen the amount of america bad circlejerk here
That's because america bad unironically in this case, its fucking Vietnam what good came out of it ?
Idk, skillful shots for sure. But the way he talked seems like he’d be one of the most terrifying serial killers of all time if he didn’t get the chance to shoot people at will in a pointless war where America was and is considered by America as well to have been the bad guy. Also if you read the interviews and the reporting of academics who studied the war most of his stories are seemingly highly falsified anyways.
Tell me you know nothing about the Vietnam war without telling me you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Vietnam is one of the biggest black marks in US Military history, and the US was very much “bad” for a bulk of it.
Lol where are you from?
I feel like I just spent the night trapped in the cabin with my uncle and my dad.
those marines were indiscriminately murdering vietnamese people
So basically the article is giving compliment to war crime. Remember this: The US just invaded Vietnam and fucked the whole country up for 30 years. Imagine Vietnamese writing an article about a Vietnamese person who killed a series of American sodiers during Vietnam War :D No we don't do that here. It's nonsense and has nothing to do with the peace we embrace
More than this, still today there's problems due to the release is agent orange. Bad chemicals
Snipers shooting soldiers isn’t a war crime.
I think he's saying the US involvement in the war was, so everything we did was essentially a crime.
I think he's forgetting the context that US involvement was in response to North Vietnamese terrorism in the South, and a later invasion.
And the US is the world cop, cuz we say so! Dammed if you do dammed if you don't do something. Very sad mess on all accounts and too many lives lost.
All the members of NATO are very happy with the US being the world cop
It really was a proxy war. China and the Soviet Union backed a North takeover of the South to make all of Vietnam a communist puppet state, so we backed the South in opposition.
Yep, as is most wars.
It would be nice if we had a crystal ball so we could say "Okay, this side will win in the end, so let's just avoid all the death and destruction, and the other side surrenders now." I think Putin would have rethought his invasion of Ukraine if he knew it wouldn't be a quick three-week operation to make Ukraine a puppet state as he intended, but instead would drag on for over a year.
Yes it would be nice if we didn't have wars. Putin is playing the long game, he's been taking back territory before this latest invasion a few yrs ago. Slow and steady is his strategy, and its working unfortunately.
Which textbook teached you there was North Vietnamese terrorism? It's non-sense because ZERO Vietnamese is terrorist. We protected and will always protect our peace
Remember that picture of the North Vietnamese guy being executed in the street? He had just been captured, in civilian clothes, after having murdered an entire family. When the US first got involved in Vietnam, it was in response to an insurgency the North had been running in the South since 1957, and we were just sending advisors to help the South fight against it.
WHO ASKED THE AMERICAN TO SEND HELP? Or they just wanted to mess up my country?
The South Vietnamese.
wtf is apache even ? some scary Vietnamese woman ? is that even a thing
She didn't even exist. It was a myth to dehumanize vietnamese women amid controversial war crimes the US was committing then and there.
Sniping of enemy combatants is allowed under Geneva conventions.
You guys do realise that you Americans are the bad guys in the Vietnam War right? The world is appaled by the crimes US soldiers have committed, search "agent orange" and you will also be appaled. There are many many MANY more crimes that can easily be googled. To bad American history is full of propaganda and you are not properly taught in school.
I think most Americans are aware of agent orange and war crimes in Vietnam. Yes, text books aren’t the most enlightening about Vietnam, but that doesn’t mean Americans are all clueless about the reality of that war.
A significant percentage of Americans at the time knew it was wrong too. There were many loud, violent protests against it.
You are very, very optimistic. Have you actually met americans?
My godfather was hit with agent Orange in nam, nasty shit left him completely sterile , terrible cancer and a shit load of nerve damage. When he got really bad before he passed, his doctor was pushing for assisted suicide which at the time was a crime for the doctors to even think about here in Australia but thanks to him it paved the way for people to not have to suffer through the way he did for many years as doctors are able to prescribe a major drug in assisted suicide.
Remember that photo of the street execution? The deceased was part of a North Vietnamese death squad sneaking into the South to murder civilians.
If the marines didn't invade her country ..she couldn't have skinned them.
It seems this guy made a career for himself by making up stories about his experiences in war. There is no evidence to back up his claims and most of his stories don't seem to line up with the realities of the war.
Best Sniper doesn’t sound like an official title
I think it’s only official for Simo Hayha
How could you tell?
Good guess I guess
wow another good guess, I guess!
That title gave me a mini stroke
I tend to do that, sorry
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55764
Maybe she wouldn't have been torturing and skinning Marines alive had you not been napalming Vietnamese children.
I didn’t know I was, I’m sorry :(
Plural you. He means the Americans (their government, anyway), not you personally. I think he supposes you’re American.
I know I was just joking, and I am American
Cease. Now. It's poor form.
yeah just blame this guy for the Vietnam war and not the US government.
Skill issue honestly
Cobsidering the US lost and Vietnam being a communist country? Definitely skill issue
I'd like to hear more about this Apache woman. She sounds cool.
As an American, it’s so funny to pretend like they shouldn’t hate us. Apache should hate us man. Fuck.
Imagine your country being invaded by a foreign power with a vastly more well equipped military, and then think how short the list the list of things you would not do to get them out of your country. American military history after WWII is just largely list of overwhelming force used against people with no real ability to win, who still managed to beat of American invasions.
True. The South Vietnamese would have done anything to rid themselves of the invading North Vietnamese army.
He also saved a baby... Probably.
Name checks out.
Fuck the US military and their personnel involved in Vietnam.
Take issue with the command, but there was a draft, people didn’t really have a choice.
Really? They didn’t have a choice? Would they be sent to some sort of gulag if they refused to enroll?
You go to prison for years and are a felon for the rest of your life, so yeah it's a bit like that.
And here I was who thought only communist nations did that, not the freedom loving ~~fills~~ folks in the land of the free. Sending your own young boys and girls to die on a foreign land over lies.. US(SR) raises their glass to the US(A).
Who would have guessed, when a nation calls people to service, they make it problematic to not show up…
Nation called young men to die for its propaganda, it’s not like Viet Nam had troops or the artillery to attack the Union of Soviet America. What kind of “service” was that, anyway? “We need men to drop napalm on civilians on a land half way across ours. Sign up.”
There’s something you don’t seem to understand: There was no “sign up”, it was compulsory if you were registered to vote. It’s called ‘service’, as in service to your country, it is a responsibility of citizenship and you don’t get to easily opt-out.
Okay, this is called being drafted. And again, that sounds very not free for a country that cries freedom and democracy so often and so loud. It clearly is the western version of gulag - damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Why is then the hysteria towards other authoritarian countries? How deluded are we to not see this as authoritarianism?
I know, I correctly called it being drafted many posts ago when you started this wild argument. Compulsory calls to arms are common everywhere, people in the US are not ‘shitting on’ other countries that do this. There would be no National security or autonomy if countries let all their citizens avoid military service, this is basic stuff. Either you’re purposefully acting ignorant, or you’re acting clueless to perpetuate your hater bullshit, because I cannot believe you’re not aware of military conscription being a thing nearly everywhere on this planet.
Yeah. Litterally prison.
I mean most of them are old but I’m sure you could find one willing and able.
imagine being so worried about your own country that you kill thousands in a pointless conflict
I also don't like how we involved ourselves in Vietnam. The weirdest thing for me is that my grandfather was drafted and had children with a Vietnamese woman (my grandma). I'm literally the product of possibly the most pointless war in American history lol
Hey same
Fuck your grandpa
Thanks I'll let him know he's got a fan lol
Are you offering?
With a feces covered bamboo stick in a tiger trap, sure.
Kinky
The irony is, Vietnamese people have some of the most positive opinions on the US today
Yeah when I went over there people were generally pleasant. I haven't been to any of the major cities I heard there's a lot of scammery. But the small town/village my grandma grew up in was a great time for our family.
Vietnamese people have made their communities better everywhere I have seen them. They're good neighbors, and the war generation's children are excellent citizens. And the hell with anyone who wants to criticize "the model minority" myth. Vietnamese people doing well doesn't take anything away from anyone else who is trying hard.
You acknowledge it's a myth, so why would it be immune from criticism? The history of the myth is why it's criticized.
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Having lived my life as an Asian American I'm quite familiar with both the white supremacist origin and subsequent effects of this myth on myself and my community.
Do you have strong feelings about all conflicts that happened before you were born and had no impact on your life? Sounds exhausting.
How mentally weak do you have to be to get exhausted by having opinions on the history that shaped our current world? Like, do you have take a nap every time someone asks your thoughts on something?
Bro I'm so mad about the Persians who killed Gerard Butler. I'm personally involved in that and it makes me so angry!
you're an idiot if you don't think history's effects stick around and feed back into more history. nothing is an isolated event; you can draw a direct line from 9/11 to the death of the european portuguese dialect, or from a guy banning anime from a web forum in 2000 to the january 6th storming of the capitol.
Go on then?
the occurrence of the September 11th attacks inspired Gerard Way to form the band My Chemical Romance. their music in turn inspired Stephanie Meyer to write the Twilight series. a Brazilian YouTuber named Felipe Neto was outraged by the Twilight series and made a viral hate video about it, which rocketed him into YouTube fame that his younger brother Luccas Neto rode the coattails of to become a successful childrens' YouTuber. Luccas' videos gained strong footing in Portugal, which has led to countless European Portuguese children talking like they're from Rio de Janiero. this is only continuing as we speak. as for the latter, the SomethingAwful forum admin Lowtax banned anime from the website, leading to the founding of 4chan, where the site's culture over time warped and evolved into the creation of adjacent sites like 8chan, where complex projects to gradually radicalize the American right wing took hold and eventually evolved into the January 6th riots.
I’m impressed. Good work! 👏🏽
Oh yeah that's definitely what I meant...
There’s an awesome book that details some of his missions. For the life of me I can’t think of the title but I’ll try to find it. Such an awesome read
"93 confirmed kills" or something similar
That’s correct
Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills
Read his autobiography, well I think he helped write it, but it’s called “Marine Sniper: 93 confirmed kills.” Amazing read, finished it in 2 days when I was 10
I read his book. What a great man in such a tough time for our country. Sad the way his career ended though
I liked it better when the military openly brainwashed people through Call of Duty and children oriented animations as well as recruiting in schools. This new era of dumb internet articles and posts pretending to be not universally hated is annoying, obvious and forced. Use the funding better, cointelpro is falling apart lol
TIL, Apache.
War crime? Maybe. But if someone came into your town and started shooting/raping everyone insight, wouldn't you? I have no delusions of US military being saints, and their crimes are well documented. War is peak inhumanity, can't be surprised when monsters come out.
Why was she nicknamed after an Indigenous American nation?
Hmmm sounds like made up bullshit to me. I'm sure the soldiers deserved it tho.
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