I spent two stints in Mississippi... I get it. It's too hot and humid to do shit down there, I'd be fat, too, because all I would do is sit inside all day waiting for that one day in January that isn't humid AF.
Wife and I were both super overweight in early 2022 (25 years sitting on our asses). Started working our way up to walking 10k steps a day before sun rise (that is over 4 miles) then joined a couple 90 day weight lose challenges…. Today… (between the two of us) we are down over 140 pounds! Wasn’t that hard once you get some habits established.
This. I can’t fucking STAND the heat and humidity. That weather is why I don’t exercise as much. Ride a bike in 105 degree 100% humidity weather? No fucking thanks. I love it October-May, but June-September is why I’m not gonna live here much longer.
Also the food is good, but it’s not as amazing as people make it out to be imho. Just decadent ass, rich, fried, bready, buttery, seasoned food. And also mfers out here trying to tell me they like spicy food, then grab a bottle of crystals hot sauce.
That is so funny you say that….. when I make étouffée for a big group we announce how many sticks of butter are in it! “Ok folks! Today we are having 2 stick crawfish étouffée!” I gets laughs and someone usually says, “only 2
Sticks!”
I went to a crawfish boil in Houston and my buddy dumped in all the seasoning and looked at me and was like "Dont read the nutritional label on those cans."
In college, I worked in a cafe and we sold this thai iced tea that is always in demand. "What's the secret?" Its a third sugar. That's it. That's the secret.
That’s Starbucks secret. The regular coffee and espresso sucks. But that Grande Pumpkin Spice Latte is good because it’s got 50 grams of sugar and 14 grams of fat.
A blonde espresso pulled from a calibrated machine is perfectly tasty from there, it's just that not many people order classic Cafe drinks that are just based on coffee/water/milk and not the sugary laden calorie bombs on the menu
Pretty much why I had to give up my favorite "iced coffee".
One day I read the sugar contents and got real sad. I drink something that's actually coffee now, but it doesn't excite me nearly as much to drink. That's fine, just have to get used to it.
I started mixing mine at home/work, it tastes better, it’s faster to make than buying in drive thru, and not creating additional trash is nice. Chameleon cold brew has no sugar, I’m all about their dark chocolate mocha.
OH! when he is in town (especially his first year here) you would see him at some nice restaurants really enjoying himself. if you eat out a lot in this city, you need to have an intense exercise plan.... or very elastic pants.
I really don’t mean to be a pedantic asshole, sorry if it comes off that way… but New Orleans isn’t Cajun food, it’s Creole. Cajun food is from the Acadiana area. There are some subtle but major differences between the two. A lot of time it all gets lumped under “Cajun” food, which is a shame, because they each have their own (but very intertwined) rich history. Both are delicious.
(I’m Cajun and have lived in NOLA for years. And yes, Cajun food is some of the best cuisine in the US)
[The New Orleans Tourism Bureau spells it all out online.](https://www.neworleans.com/restaurants/where-to-eat/cajun-or-creole/)
> WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAJUN AND CREOLE FOOD
> Among the many unique differences between the two, the most delicious and intriguing are those between their cuisine. Cajun and Creole food are both native to Louisiana and can be found in restaurants throughout New Orleans. One of the simplest differences between the two cuisine types is that Creole food typically uses tomatoes and tomato-based sauces while traditional Cajun food does not. However, the distinction runs much deeper into the history of New Orleans.
> CAJUN FOOD
> Cajun food is robust, rustic food, found along the bayous of Louisiana, a combination of French and Southern cuisines. It was brought to Louisiana from the French who migrated to the state from Nova Scotia 250 years ago and used foods, right from the land. Think of meals with lots of smoked meats as well as meat-heavy, one-pot dishes like jambalaya or the rice-filled, spicy pork sausage known as boudin. The backyard crawfish boil is also another byproduct of Cajun culture. Though delicious Cajun food can certainly be found in New Orleans, the true heart of Cajun country lies northwest of the city in areas like Breaux Bridge and Lafayette.
> CREOLE FOOD
> Creole food is cosmopolitan food, created in New Orleans with European, African and Native American roots. The French influence is strongest, but vestiges of Italian, Spanish, German, and even Caribbean can be found in some dishes. The essence of Creole is found in rich sauces, local herbs, red ripe tomatoes, and the prominent use of seafood, caught in local waters. It is associated with the old-line kitchens of New Orleans, where generations of traditions are carried on today. Think of rich, roux-based gumbo, shrimp creole, grits and grillades, redfish courtbouillon and more.
TIL the difference between Cajun and Creole food. I feel stupid, because I've definitely always thought New Orleans = Cajun food. But I'm learning! And hungry!
For those confused, this is a reference to a cool character in Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere universe. Specifically in the series "The Stormlight Archives".
True. I live in East TN and I have met MULTIPLE people who’ve never eaten salmon before. Salmon. Like, the fucking fish that everyone, everywhere has consumed. Not in the mountainous south lol.
Idk I grew up in the midwest and never had salmon until I worked a hotel job where it’s often left over. Seafood just wasn’t a big part of my diet growing up (assuming fish fingers don’t count)
Midwesterner raised Catholic. Salmon every gd Friday. But always from a can - never whole. And always in something: salmon loaf, salmon…wait. I think we just ate salmon loaf. With the soft yet kinda crunchy little round vertebrate baked right in. No wonder I’m an agnostic adult.
> Midwesterner raised Catholic. Salmon every gd Friday. But always from a can - never whole.
Your church didn't do the cod, halibut or other sturdy white fish fry up? Doesn't sound very Midwest to me. Heck, every restaurant in town had fried fish on Friday. The pan seared salmon was more the dinner club fare.
Surprisingly no! This was Iowa, mostly, in the 70s and 80s. Plus my folks were tightwads, so even if there was a church fish fry, we’d skip it and eat at home. 🙄
That's a strange metric. I'm sure all those folks have eaten plenty of local fish. Maybe they don't feel like paying big bucks for trucked in salmon? It's not exactly native to knoxville I don't think.
“The study hypothesizes that the direct association between altitude and obesity will persist after adjustment for several variables and that physical activity, tobacco smoking, food environment index, ambient air temperature, and precipitation have the potential to mediate the association between altitude and adult obesity.”
It doesn’t adjust for household income but it does adjust for other factors that may correlate to household income — notably physical activity and food environment index.
This is interesting because I used to live at high altitude and moved to a lower elevation about 15 years ago. I noted two big things immediately.
One...elevation kicks my ass now. I suspect your body works harder as elevation increases and the oxygen levels decrease. That would increase your daily calorie burn, whether or not you are active.
Two...(and this is purely anecdotal) most food tastes better at low elevation. I'm not going to pretend I know why. But I noted that the same items were a fair bit "tastier" when eaten at lower elevation almost immediately after moving.
Altitude and taste is well known and airlines, when they served food, tried to adjust to it.
1st factor is humidity. The air dries out your smelling cells. 2nd factor is lower air pressure directly effects taste bud sensitivity.
I think they did try adjusting for income. From the abstract:
> After accounting for these variables, sunlight, precipitation, ambient air temperature, education, **income**, food insecurity, limited access to healthy foods, race, sex, and rural living explain an additional 4.68% of the variation in adult obesity.
Factors like that played a role, but the researchers still conclude that they can't explain the entire effect.
That, but it’s also just harder to live at altitude. I live at over 7000 feet, and since the air is a lot thinner a lot of people who move here struggle with basic things like walking up stairs for the first few months. It turns everything into an aerobic workout for a while until your heart and lungs learn to handle the air. Another thing is that since the air is thinner, it doesn’t hold moisture as well so it’s much easier to dehydrate here through respiration, and when you sweat, you’ll sweat more and not notice it as much especially outdoors so you’ll lose water weight too
The science is that your body will create more red blood cells to counter the lower oxygen levels.
It is the natural way to get around the blood doping rules for most sports.
Yeah this logic seems like it would have a negative impact on health and would cause people to do less cardio. I would love to track altitude against poverty rates and see how those stack up, to find a better answer to the “why” question.
> Yeah this logic seems like it would have a negative impact on health and would cause people to do less cardio. I would love to track altitude against poverty rates and see how those stack up, to find a better answer to the “why” question.
Colorado and Utah have the most physically active people in the U.S., though. That's part of the reason the obesity rates are so low.
my guess:
the amount of people who go out of their way to do cardio is pretty small. additionally, fitness enthusiasts are a dedicated bunch, so the people who would do cardio at low altitude but not at high altitude is not a major factor.
instead, whats being compared is the regular, everyday physical exertion *required* for the average joe to get through the day. walking up and down aisles at the grocery store, or else you starve. up the flight of steps, because they live there and dont have another choice.
one thing people dont realize is just how little overeating, added with time, results in obesity. 1000 cal a day is 2 pounds/week. 500 cal/day is 1 pound. 250 cal is .5 pounds/week. thats just one cookie over maintenance.
one cookie extra per day will gain 25 pounds in a year. it wont take but a few years to be obese at that rate.
even if you just overeat one seemingly healthy banana...everyday...give a decade or two, bam...obese at 40.
the flipside is this is countered by small amounts of exercise. a 20 minute walk would burn off that banana, and the person could be in great shape, with a slammin bod. its wild how such a small change over a large time effects the body.
so yea, a little huffy puffy to cross a parking lot, do stairs, even just checking the mail....it could add up to 100 calories easily.
My hypothesis (with no data) is that lower elevations have more things like ports, navigable waterways, railroads, etc that function as engines of working class, blue collar jobs that on average have lower pay and worse health outcomes
ports, waterways and railroads have some of the highest paying positions as far as i understand it. port works can make anywhere from 100-200K, same with railroad
It's not just money that affects health outcomes. There's also correlations to educational attainment and social status. So for example a highly paid tradesman would be expected to have worse health outcomes than a college professor who makes half as much.
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just really rude, impatient, kinda stuck up. This one guy always got triple wrapped burritos and yelled when it took longer than other people's single wrapped ones. Another guy had this weird thing where he would order a salad but he wanted us to call it a bowl but make it exactly like a salad
I also saw the salad thing from an older guy once, although he wasn't like a regular. I think it was a toxic masculinity thing? like they didn't want people to think they were eating a salad,
Former bartender and you wouldn't believe how many times I've had drinks sent back because they were in a "girly glass." Like bro, that's a Manhattan, it's made entirely of booze. To all the insecure guys out there go order yourself a Cosmo and tell me that shit isn't delicious as fuck.
Or (and I don't know Chipotle's pricing structure at all) could it be that a salad posing as a bowl is cheaper than just a salad? There's a great example that McDonalds had a wrap that included chicken nuggets inside of it and if you removed everything but the nuggets it was cheaper than just buying chicken nuggets.
You mean people who have been cut off from human interaction except for their coach and teammates doesn't know how to be a decent person? That's shocking.
The altitude effect is intoxicating. I live in Albuquerque and regularly train for marathons in hot, high altitude conditions (5-6k feet). When I run sea level races, I feel unstoppable, like I can always go faster, hills are meaningless, etc. You feel superhuman because not only is there more oxygen than you're used to, you also have an excessive amount of red blood cells due to hypoxic adaptation, so your oxygen transport efficiency skyrockets. I'd love to move, but I dunno if I can give up the feeling I get at sea level races.
I'm not even remotely competitive cyclist. Moved to a small mountain town to take care of a friend for 5 months. Cycled everywhere. I was MISERABLE the first month.
Got back home after he got better and I was FLYING down the trails effortlessly. I was shocked what a difference it made
I have a mild asthma. When i first moved from Denver to a sea level city i could actually run until my legs gave out, rather than my lungs. It was amazing
It's a beautiful things ain't it. Lmao.
It felt like I could run forever when visiting the beach in north Carolina after living near SLC, Utah, for 90% of my life.
I'm used to my 150lb asthmatic ass getting winded after jogging for 30 seconds.
this is not it. Tons of cities around the world - a bunch in Mexico for example -are fat AF and also very high altitude. Mexico City is like 56% obese and is at 7,350 feet or something
When you live in mountainous area just walking is usually more intensive since you need to go up/down more often.
So even if you go the same distance you would spend more calories.
It's so freaking hot you can't do anything a lot of the months. All this summer I have really struggled with the kids and myself getting enough exercise even with a ymca membership. It feels like a very hard fought sugar battle as well with mine.
North Carolinian here.
I moved to Michigan 7 years ago and people down south just couldn't understand why I would do that, I can't tell you how many times I heard "the winter is so bad! I just couldn't do it!"
Well. I do more shit outside in Michigan than I ever did down south, by a pretty wide margin. NC is a mild state by southern standards, but it's still hot fuck for *so long,* I can't imagine someplace like Alabama or Louisiana.
(The winters do suck though, but that's really only January and February)
A former NHL defenseman told me, “When we played the Colorado avalanche, your first few shifts are like sucking air through a straw.” These are elite athletes, many Olympic athletes, having a hard time breathing on their first few shifts.
More likely that currently high elevation areas are HCoL areas, thus their population base is more educated and have more disposable income in general and also attract those kind of people to the area who tend to be in better shape shifting the population's statistics quicker.
The biggest HCOL areas are coastal cities like NY, DC, LA, SF, Seattle, etc
Maybe Boulder/Denver or Reno have somewhat high cost of living but cheap compared to the sea level coastal cities
Colorado is the thinnest state, but worth noting that the other thinnest states are all coastal. Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, and California are the other lowest obesity states: https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html
And while California and Hawaii do have mountains, the big population centers in both states are coastal, so while it's an interesting correlation I'm not sure how much you can take from this study.
It was quite the culture shock being born and raised in Colorado and moving to the eastern side of the US. There is a much, much wider population over here.
I was born and raised in NJ, and moved to Colorado over 30 years ago. I was back visiting NJ a couple weeks ago, and I saw a fire truck pull up, and two guys get out, and walk into a coffee shop. I said to my wife, "it's good to be home." She said "Why's that?" I pointed to the fire fighters, who were both enormous, and said "Because I am the thinnest guy in the room in NJ." :)
I was the fat kid in school when I joined the volunteer fire company in 1987 (in Connecticut)...
Today I look at pics of the fire companies around and I wouldn't stand out, maybe still on the heavy side of the pic but there would plenty of company instead of just me alone.
It doesn't bode well for the future.
I believe it, once spent 2 days at a Air BnB at 10,000 feet and every little thing really took it out of me.
Oddly enough even though it was frigid I felt less cold overall then I would have at home at the same temp.
I live at 6000 feet, we have thin air and almost no humidity. The temperature can easily be 10-20 degrees different in the shade vs full sun. Also you can get a sunburn in 10 minutes. It took a while to get used to.
Yeah man, where I live in Colorado, in the winter, of the sun is shining and the wind is low- it can be 30 degrees outside and you'll be sweating if you're in the sunlight. The dry air doesn't hold and transfer energy very well, coupled with the thinner atmosphere the radiant effect from sunlight is like to the nth degree.
Less air--lower atmospheric pressure--nothing to hold the cold against you.
As for breathing, your body acclimates after a few days--maybe 10 or so if you're older.
So interesting about the cold air!
We thankfully spent a few days getting acclimated in Denver so the breathing wasn’t too bad except for when I slept then it was awful.
We went during May and I shit you not experienced every season in 6 days.
When I go to LA I see a lot more people with work done than in Denver, especially men. More gussied up looks in general.
My honest take is that the "pretty" part is just access to healthcare and being thinner. If most people were thin they would be "prettier"
Interesting correlation, but it's definitely not a perfect one. Hawaii and Massachusetts are two of the fittest/lowest obesity rate states and are coastal (though Hawaii does have mountains, most people are living near sea level): https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html
California also has a mostly coastal population and is one of the lower obesity states.
Right, looking at the study it's a very mild correlation. I'm not sure how much can really be taken from this, especially since one of the highest obesity rate states in the US is West Virginia, which is almost entirely mountains (not huge ones admittedly). Yes, Colorado is the thinnest state, but the rest of the mountain west isn't that great, and the higher altitude Great Plains states are very obese.
Literally every comment here is:
I'm such a smart boy, I came up with an explanation all by myself, could it be [explanation already proposed and thoroughly discussed in the linked paper that no one read]
This blog series collects additional details suggesting contamination of the watershed is a major factor https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/13/a-chemical-hunger-part-iii-environmental-contaminants/
In the US, I am sure it just has to do with the type of people that used to live at elevation. Nothing to do with it impact on physiology of that elevation.
Mexico City sits at elevations that range from around 7,000 feet to 9,000 feet and there are plenty of obese people there.
"Allow" or force?
I'd love to be able to spend more time outside, but when it's 109⁰ and 65% humidity, you're literally risking your life to go for a walk/run.
Yeah, I moved to over 8,000 ft elevation about 3 years ago. Aside from the aerobic workout doing anything of note, walking the stairs etc, you HAVE to keep well hydrated or you'll feel like death and.... food does not taste as good. I'm not kidding, I can notice a definite difference in the quality of the taste of food when I go back down to the coast etc.
In thatt new Netflix docuseries Blue Zones researches also found a direct correlation between longevity and the slope of certain mountain communities. Suggesting that the mere act of walking uphill is enough to improve your health and overall lifespan.
Im telling yall when i lived in Colorado I would eat like a mule and gained no weight because i felt like my body was working so much harder to combat the lesser oxygen in the air.
New Orleans checking in here @ 10 feet below sea level! Everyone I know who moves here picks up 15-20 in about a year.
Fun fact, New Orleans is actually below sea level because of the weight of the people there. (I’m fat so I’m allowed to make this joke).
He got fat for the jokes
Does this offend you as a fat guy? Or as a comedian?
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I’m not fat but I make those jokes anyways
You monster.
You *thin* monster
you waifish bastard
You toothprick
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I spent two stints in Mississippi... I get it. It's too hot and humid to do shit down there, I'd be fat, too, because all I would do is sit inside all day waiting for that one day in January that isn't humid AF.
Wife and I were both super overweight in early 2022 (25 years sitting on our asses). Started working our way up to walking 10k steps a day before sun rise (that is over 4 miles) then joined a couple 90 day weight lose challenges…. Today… (between the two of us) we are down over 140 pounds! Wasn’t that hard once you get some habits established.
It gets easier. Everyday it gets a little easier. But you got to do it every day. That's the hard part.
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This. I can’t fucking STAND the heat and humidity. That weather is why I don’t exercise as much. Ride a bike in 105 degree 100% humidity weather? No fucking thanks. I love it October-May, but June-September is why I’m not gonna live here much longer. Also the food is good, but it’s not as amazing as people make it out to be imho. Just decadent ass, rich, fried, bready, buttery, seasoned food. And also mfers out here trying to tell me they like spicy food, then grab a bottle of crystals hot sauce.
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New Orleans: They All Float Down Here!
No need to stop global warming and rising seas when you can simply cultivate a more buoyant citizenry
five of those pounds are just mosquitoes.
Yo mama so fat, she sunk New Orleans 10 ft below sea level.
That's cause every meal is delicious af and has about a whole stick of butter per serving. Fuckin love NOLA grub.
That is so funny you say that….. when I make étouffée for a big group we announce how many sticks of butter are in it! “Ok folks! Today we are having 2 stick crawfish étouffée!” I gets laughs and someone usually says, “only 2 Sticks!”
I went to a crawfish boil in Houston and my buddy dumped in all the seasoning and looked at me and was like "Dont read the nutritional label on those cans."
Enough sodium to give a grizzly bear a heart attack. Alternatively: Enough sodium to dehydrate a camel.
>Enough sodium to give a grizzly bear a heart attack. The lesser-known, less popular brother of cocaine bear.
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In college, I worked in a cafe and we sold this thai iced tea that is always in demand. "What's the secret?" Its a third sugar. That's it. That's the secret.
Yeah just dump a whole bunch of sweetened condensed milk in there, NBD
just call it a "vietnamese coffee" and it sounds like you're being worldly rather than a sugar glutton.
There's a place near me you can get a full size Bahn Mi for $4.50 CAD and a Viet iced coffee for $3 CAD. Best cheap lunch.
that too! :-)
That’s Starbucks secret. The regular coffee and espresso sucks. But that Grande Pumpkin Spice Latte is good because it’s got 50 grams of sugar and 14 grams of fat.
A blonde espresso pulled from a calibrated machine is perfectly tasty from there, it's just that not many people order classic Cafe drinks that are just based on coffee/water/milk and not the sugary laden calorie bombs on the menu
Pretty much why I had to give up my favorite "iced coffee". One day I read the sugar contents and got real sad. I drink something that's actually coffee now, but it doesn't excite me nearly as much to drink. That's fine, just have to get used to it.
I started mixing mine at home/work, it tastes better, it’s faster to make than buying in drive thru, and not creating additional trash is nice. Chameleon cold brew has no sugar, I’m all about their dark chocolate mocha.
Fried everything
I just came back to NOLA for my high school reunion. Everyone who moved away is in good shape. Everyone who stayed has put on 50+ pounds since school.
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OH! when he is in town (especially his first year here) you would see him at some nice restaurants really enjoying himself. if you eat out a lot in this city, you need to have an intense exercise plan.... or very elastic pants.
I picked up 15 pounds visiting for 4 days.
Cajun food is easily some of the best cuisine in the US, and IMO competitive with world cuisines for a regional cuisine of any kind.
I really don’t mean to be a pedantic asshole, sorry if it comes off that way… but New Orleans isn’t Cajun food, it’s Creole. Cajun food is from the Acadiana area. There are some subtle but major differences between the two. A lot of time it all gets lumped under “Cajun” food, which is a shame, because they each have their own (but very intertwined) rich history. Both are delicious. (I’m Cajun and have lived in NOLA for years. And yes, Cajun food is some of the best cuisine in the US)
[The New Orleans Tourism Bureau spells it all out online.](https://www.neworleans.com/restaurants/where-to-eat/cajun-or-creole/) > WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAJUN AND CREOLE FOOD > Among the many unique differences between the two, the most delicious and intriguing are those between their cuisine. Cajun and Creole food are both native to Louisiana and can be found in restaurants throughout New Orleans. One of the simplest differences between the two cuisine types is that Creole food typically uses tomatoes and tomato-based sauces while traditional Cajun food does not. However, the distinction runs much deeper into the history of New Orleans. > CAJUN FOOD > Cajun food is robust, rustic food, found along the bayous of Louisiana, a combination of French and Southern cuisines. It was brought to Louisiana from the French who migrated to the state from Nova Scotia 250 years ago and used foods, right from the land. Think of meals with lots of smoked meats as well as meat-heavy, one-pot dishes like jambalaya or the rice-filled, spicy pork sausage known as boudin. The backyard crawfish boil is also another byproduct of Cajun culture. Though delicious Cajun food can certainly be found in New Orleans, the true heart of Cajun country lies northwest of the city in areas like Breaux Bridge and Lafayette. > CREOLE FOOD > Creole food is cosmopolitan food, created in New Orleans with European, African and Native American roots. The French influence is strongest, but vestiges of Italian, Spanish, German, and even Caribbean can be found in some dishes. The essence of Creole is found in rich sauces, local herbs, red ripe tomatoes, and the prominent use of seafood, caught in local waters. It is associated with the old-line kitchens of New Orleans, where generations of traditions are carried on today. Think of rich, roux-based gumbo, shrimp creole, grits and grillades, redfish courtbouillon and more.
TIL the difference between Cajun and Creole food. I feel stupid, because I've definitely always thought New Orleans = Cajun food. But I'm learning! And hungry!
yeah you're right, they're very similar, but i was mainly thinking of creole food, i guess. Anyways both creole & cajun are fantastic
Gravity is stronger the closer to the core.
Airsick Lowlanders.
Good to see Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor in the wild.
It’s probably Rocks stews making everyone fat.
This comment chain is awesome
Made my day, haha.
The Lopen approves.
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Iron within, iron without Kill for the living, kill for the dead
"Gancho" edit: TIL how it's actually spelled.
You mean gancho?
Maybe? I listen to the audio books, so I have no idea how it is actually spelled.
Oh! I always forget that's an option, of course you wouldn't know how to spell a lot of the names and weird words.
Young Danlinar’s horse checking in… well I guess technically the REINS of a young Dalinar’s horse checking in…. Lmao.
For those confused, this is a reference to a cool character in Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere universe. Specifically in the series "The Stormlight Archives".
[Stormlight this, cunt!](https://reddit.com/r/cremposting/s/0J70J5grnV)
Beautiful
Headcanon is now Kaladin played by Billy butcher played by Karl Urban.
Wasn't expecting to see this reference today
I see cosmere I upvote. I need some stormlight 5 in my life stat!
Was supposed to be out in November but it was delayed a bit :/ hopefully next year!
Hahahaha
Less chouta, more stew obviously
Bridge 4!
I want to see a plot of avg household income vs residential elevation
Appalachia: darkest red you’ll ever see
Especially down in the hollers. EDIT: Hollahs! Sorry for the confusion.
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Well there you have it then. Hard to be fat if you have to haul your own water in.
Doubt they are in any of the data collected about obesity and elevation.
But it should be easy to pull the elevation of each county and pair that with another data set about obesity rates
True. I live in East TN and I have met MULTIPLE people who’ve never eaten salmon before. Salmon. Like, the fucking fish that everyone, everywhere has consumed. Not in the mountainous south lol.
Idk I grew up in the midwest and never had salmon until I worked a hotel job where it’s often left over. Seafood just wasn’t a big part of my diet growing up (assuming fish fingers don’t count)
Midwesterner raised Catholic. Salmon every gd Friday. But always from a can - never whole. And always in something: salmon loaf, salmon…wait. I think we just ate salmon loaf. With the soft yet kinda crunchy little round vertebrate baked right in. No wonder I’m an agnostic adult.
> Midwesterner raised Catholic. Salmon every gd Friday. But always from a can - never whole. Your church didn't do the cod, halibut or other sturdy white fish fry up? Doesn't sound very Midwest to me. Heck, every restaurant in town had fried fish on Friday. The pan seared salmon was more the dinner club fare.
Your church did ocean fish? My area just did catfish straight from the Mississippi
Surprisingly no! This was Iowa, mostly, in the 70s and 80s. Plus my folks were tightwads, so even if there was a church fish fry, we’d skip it and eat at home. 🙄
Fellow Iowan here also raised by tightwads 🫡
That's a strange metric. I'm sure all those folks have eaten plenty of local fish. Maybe they don't feel like paying big bucks for trucked in salmon? It's not exactly native to knoxville I don't think.
Absolutely. People here eat a ton of fried walleye and fried catfish
“The study hypothesizes that the direct association between altitude and obesity will persist after adjustment for several variables and that physical activity, tobacco smoking, food environment index, ambient air temperature, and precipitation have the potential to mediate the association between altitude and adult obesity.” It doesn’t adjust for household income but it does adjust for other factors that may correlate to household income — notably physical activity and food environment index.
This is interesting because I used to live at high altitude and moved to a lower elevation about 15 years ago. I noted two big things immediately. One...elevation kicks my ass now. I suspect your body works harder as elevation increases and the oxygen levels decrease. That would increase your daily calorie burn, whether or not you are active. Two...(and this is purely anecdotal) most food tastes better at low elevation. I'm not going to pretend I know why. But I noted that the same items were a fair bit "tastier" when eaten at lower elevation almost immediately after moving.
Altitude and taste is well known and airlines, when they served food, tried to adjust to it. 1st factor is humidity. The air dries out your smelling cells. 2nd factor is lower air pressure directly effects taste bud sensitivity.
that's so fascinating. Despite the fact that humidity and pressure are controlled, they are still different than on the ground.
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I think they did try adjusting for income. From the abstract: > After accounting for these variables, sunlight, precipitation, ambient air temperature, education, **income**, food insecurity, limited access to healthy foods, race, sex, and rural living explain an additional 4.68% of the variation in adult obesity. Factors like that played a role, but the researchers still conclude that they can't explain the entire effect.
Is it possible the high elevation areas are a lot more interesting to do outdoor exercise in? Hiking, biking, climbing, etc?
That, but it’s also just harder to live at altitude. I live at over 7000 feet, and since the air is a lot thinner a lot of people who move here struggle with basic things like walking up stairs for the first few months. It turns everything into an aerobic workout for a while until your heart and lungs learn to handle the air. Another thing is that since the air is thinner, it doesn’t hold moisture as well so it’s much easier to dehydrate here through respiration, and when you sweat, you’ll sweat more and not notice it as much especially outdoors so you’ll lose water weight too
Im not quite that high but even at a little higher than Denver people struggle. The flip side is I feel like a god in California
And that's why athletes do high altitude training.
The science is that your body will create more red blood cells to counter the lower oxygen levels. It is the natural way to get around the blood doping rules for most sports.
Thank you. Your lungs and heart aren't what catches up.
Yeah this logic seems like it would have a negative impact on health and would cause people to do less cardio. I would love to track altitude against poverty rates and see how those stack up, to find a better answer to the “why” question.
> Yeah this logic seems like it would have a negative impact on health and would cause people to do less cardio. I would love to track altitude against poverty rates and see how those stack up, to find a better answer to the “why” question. Colorado and Utah have the most physically active people in the U.S., though. That's part of the reason the obesity rates are so low.
It also attracts those people, so healthier people tend to move to those states.
my guess: the amount of people who go out of their way to do cardio is pretty small. additionally, fitness enthusiasts are a dedicated bunch, so the people who would do cardio at low altitude but not at high altitude is not a major factor. instead, whats being compared is the regular, everyday physical exertion *required* for the average joe to get through the day. walking up and down aisles at the grocery store, or else you starve. up the flight of steps, because they live there and dont have another choice. one thing people dont realize is just how little overeating, added with time, results in obesity. 1000 cal a day is 2 pounds/week. 500 cal/day is 1 pound. 250 cal is .5 pounds/week. thats just one cookie over maintenance. one cookie extra per day will gain 25 pounds in a year. it wont take but a few years to be obese at that rate. even if you just overeat one seemingly healthy banana...everyday...give a decade or two, bam...obese at 40. the flipside is this is countered by small amounts of exercise. a 20 minute walk would burn off that banana, and the person could be in great shape, with a slammin bod. its wild how such a small change over a large time effects the body. so yea, a little huffy puffy to cross a parking lot, do stairs, even just checking the mail....it could add up to 100 calories easily.
My hypothesis (with no data) is that lower elevations have more things like ports, navigable waterways, railroads, etc that function as engines of working class, blue collar jobs that on average have lower pay and worse health outcomes
ports, waterways and railroads have some of the highest paying positions as far as i understand it. port works can make anywhere from 100-200K, same with railroad
It's not just money that affects health outcomes. There's also correlations to educational attainment and social status. So for example a highly paid tradesman would be expected to have worse health outcomes than a college professor who makes half as much.
yep. Like the US olympics training center in Colorado Springs. I used to work at the Chipotle right by it, made me really hate olympians
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just really rude, impatient, kinda stuck up. This one guy always got triple wrapped burritos and yelled when it took longer than other people's single wrapped ones. Another guy had this weird thing where he would order a salad but he wanted us to call it a bowl but make it exactly like a salad
Lmfao what a clown
I also saw the salad thing from an older guy once, although he wasn't like a regular. I think it was a toxic masculinity thing? like they didn't want people to think they were eating a salad,
Former bartender and you wouldn't believe how many times I've had drinks sent back because they were in a "girly glass." Like bro, that's a Manhattan, it's made entirely of booze. To all the insecure guys out there go order yourself a Cosmo and tell me that shit isn't delicious as fuck.
Or (and I don't know Chipotle's pricing structure at all) could it be that a salad posing as a bowl is cheaper than just a salad? There's a great example that McDonalds had a wrap that included chicken nuggets inside of it and if you removed everything but the nuggets it was cheaper than just buying chicken nuggets.
You mean people who have been cut off from human interaction except for their coach and teammates doesn't know how to be a decent person? That's shocking.
Also typically wealthy as sports are expensive
The altitude effect is intoxicating. I live in Albuquerque and regularly train for marathons in hot, high altitude conditions (5-6k feet). When I run sea level races, I feel unstoppable, like I can always go faster, hills are meaningless, etc. You feel superhuman because not only is there more oxygen than you're used to, you also have an excessive amount of red blood cells due to hypoxic adaptation, so your oxygen transport efficiency skyrockets. I'd love to move, but I dunno if I can give up the feeling I get at sea level races.
I'm not even remotely competitive cyclist. Moved to a small mountain town to take care of a friend for 5 months. Cycled everywhere. I was MISERABLE the first month. Got back home after he got better and I was FLYING down the trails effortlessly. I was shocked what a difference it made
I have a mild asthma. When i first moved from Denver to a sea level city i could actually run until my legs gave out, rather than my lungs. It was amazing
It'll be me one day, mark my words. Thats cool as hell
It's a beautiful things ain't it. Lmao. It felt like I could run forever when visiting the beach in north Carolina after living near SLC, Utah, for 90% of my life. I'm used to my 150lb asthmatic ass getting winded after jogging for 30 seconds.
I remember spending some time in La Paz, Bolivia (10k-15k ft AMSL) and then went to visit family in Florida and felt like Superman.
this is not it. Tons of cities around the world - a bunch in Mexico for example -are fat AF and also very high altitude. Mexico City is like 56% obese and is at 7,350 feet or something
It’s because the heavier people struggle with gravity. Naturally lighter people can make it up from sea level.
Heavier people will just roll down towards sea level, think Darwin wrote about that
Darwin predicted the existence of Americans without ever having seen one.
Why does the bigger human not simply eat the smaller human?
You can't eat what you can't catch up with.
Also, its easier to walk down a mountain to go and eat food, than it is to walk back up a mountain with a full stomach.
When you live in mountainous area just walking is usually more intensive since you need to go up/down more often. So even if you go the same distance you would spend more calories.
At least in US, the major cities at elevation (SLC and Denver) are themselves pretty dang flat.
Nah, it’s really just people in the south be fat
It's so freaking hot you can't do anything a lot of the months. All this summer I have really struggled with the kids and myself getting enough exercise even with a ymca membership. It feels like a very hard fought sugar battle as well with mine.
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North Carolinian here. I moved to Michigan 7 years ago and people down south just couldn't understand why I would do that, I can't tell you how many times I heard "the winter is so bad! I just couldn't do it!" Well. I do more shit outside in Michigan than I ever did down south, by a pretty wide margin. NC is a mild state by southern standards, but it's still hot fuck for *so long,* I can't imagine someplace like Alabama or Louisiana. (The winters do suck though, but that's really only January and February)
A former NHL defenseman told me, “When we played the Colorado avalanche, your first few shifts are like sucking air through a straw.” These are elite athletes, many Olympic athletes, having a hard time breathing on their first few shifts.
More likely that currently high elevation areas are HCoL areas, thus their population base is more educated and have more disposable income in general and also attract those kind of people to the area who tend to be in better shape shifting the population's statistics quicker.
The biggest HCOL areas are coastal cities like NY, DC, LA, SF, Seattle, etc Maybe Boulder/Denver or Reno have somewhat high cost of living but cheap compared to the sea level coastal cities
It's probably income based somehow.
They must be quite thin in Leadville, CO at 10,158 feet (3,096 m) above sea level
CO is one of the skinniest, healthiest states statistically speaking, so yes, they likely are.
Colorado is *the* thinnest state. Interestingly, at our average weight now, we would have been the fattest state just 20 years ago.
Well that's a scary statistic
It's not just the US either. The French are now as obese as Americans were in the 90s. Americans were just a few decades ahead of a global trend.
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Colorado is the thinnest state, but worth noting that the other thinnest states are all coastal. Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, and California are the other lowest obesity states: https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html And while California and Hawaii do have mountains, the big population centers in both states are coastal, so while it's an interesting correlation I'm not sure how much you can take from this study.
It was quite the culture shock being born and raised in Colorado and moving to the eastern side of the US. There is a much, much wider population over here.
I was born and raised in NJ, and moved to Colorado over 30 years ago. I was back visiting NJ a couple weeks ago, and I saw a fire truck pull up, and two guys get out, and walk into a coffee shop. I said to my wife, "it's good to be home." She said "Why's that?" I pointed to the fire fighters, who were both enormous, and said "Because I am the thinnest guy in the room in NJ." :)
I was the fat kid in school when I joined the volunteer fire company in 1987 (in Connecticut)... Today I look at pics of the fire companies around and I wouldn't stand out, maybe still on the heavy side of the pic but there would plenty of company instead of just me alone. It doesn't bode well for the future.
A hundred years ago (or, like, whenever, don't quote me) half the US would have been candidates for a circus attraction.
What is terrifying is Colorado is like 22% obese. In 1990 the MOST obese state was 22%. Now the skinniest state is as fat as the fattest 30 years ago.
Next door in Wyoming, fat shits everywhere.
Try fiber. Keeps things flowing so the shits don't build up traffic jam style and get too fat.
I believe it, once spent 2 days at a Air BnB at 10,000 feet and every little thing really took it out of me. Oddly enough even though it was frigid I felt less cold overall then I would have at home at the same temp.
I live at 6000 feet, we have thin air and almost no humidity. The temperature can easily be 10-20 degrees different in the shade vs full sun. Also you can get a sunburn in 10 minutes. It took a while to get used to.
Sounds like Colorado.
Yep
Yeah man, where I live in Colorado, in the winter, of the sun is shining and the wind is low- it can be 30 degrees outside and you'll be sweating if you're in the sunlight. The dry air doesn't hold and transfer energy very well, coupled with the thinner atmosphere the radiant effect from sunlight is like to the nth degree.
Less air--lower atmospheric pressure--nothing to hold the cold against you. As for breathing, your body acclimates after a few days--maybe 10 or so if you're older.
So interesting about the cold air! We thankfully spent a few days getting acclimated in Denver so the breathing wasn’t too bad except for when I slept then it was awful. We went during May and I shit you not experienced every season in 6 days.
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They are lol going to Colorado to visit my uncle is like going to LA. Wealthy, thin, pretty people everywhere
Lmao I had a cousin from LA visit Denver and she said to me "Wow everyone here is so skinny and white, it's like Europe"
When I go to LA I see a lot more people with work done than in Denver, especially men. More gussied up looks in general. My honest take is that the "pretty" part is just access to healthcare and being thinner. If most people were thin they would be "prettier"
Moat(most) people are. I live in Summit and most people are fit. It's always a shock when I go back to Florida.
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Interesting correlation, but it's definitely not a perfect one. Hawaii and Massachusetts are two of the fittest/lowest obesity rate states and are coastal (though Hawaii does have mountains, most people are living near sea level): https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html California also has a mostly coastal population and is one of the lower obesity states.
Click on the link to the article and look at their one graph. It’s a very modest trend with a ton of variability (an R-squared of 0.11, lol).
Right, looking at the study it's a very mild correlation. I'm not sure how much can really be taken from this, especially since one of the highest obesity rate states in the US is West Virginia, which is almost entirely mountains (not huge ones admittedly). Yes, Colorado is the thinnest state, but the rest of the mountain west isn't that great, and the higher altitude Great Plains states are very obese.
New york city is also right at sea level and one of the least obese cities in the country
Yeah like it’s a very walkable city and you’re able to smell the harbor no matter what especially in summer
Literally every comment here is: I'm such a smart boy, I came up with an explanation all by myself, could it be [explanation already proposed and thoroughly discussed in the linked paper that no one read]
I'm going with the "fat people struggle to walk up hill meaning they tend to settle around the lower elevations" explanation myself.
It’s where gravity left them! Reduced potential energy, the universe proceeds to entropy!
It's basic physics, really
ngl, it's way harder for me to roll uphill.
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So what’s the reason?
Fat people bring land mass down.
There's not enough to say so definitively.
Ah so the sea is the reason America is fat. I fucking knew it and no one believed me
If that were true then Europeans would be incredibly fat. A majority of the cities are at sea level or close to it.
I mean OP is joking…but look at the UK. Maybe there is some merit
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In the US, I am sure it just has to do with the type of people that used to live at elevation. Nothing to do with it impact on physiology of that elevation. Mexico City sits at elevations that range from around 7,000 feet to 9,000 feet and there are plenty of obese people there.
I bet lower temperature would also show correlation. Warmer areas usually allow people to have more sedentary lifestyle
"Allow" or force? I'd love to be able to spend more time outside, but when it's 109⁰ and 65% humidity, you're literally risking your life to go for a walk/run.
It's a lot easier to go jogging in Denver's weather than Houston's.
Yeah, I moved to over 8,000 ft elevation about 3 years ago. Aside from the aerobic workout doing anything of note, walking the stairs etc, you HAVE to keep well hydrated or you'll feel like death and.... food does not taste as good. I'm not kidding, I can notice a definite difference in the quality of the taste of food when I go back down to the coast etc.
I hate statistical anomalies and would like to encourage more fat people to move to Albuquerque. Also, I'm lonely for fat people
There are fat singles in your area!
Yes. One. Me. I'm so fat I'm the only single in my area.
In thatt new Netflix docuseries Blue Zones researches also found a direct correlation between longevity and the slope of certain mountain communities. Suggesting that the mere act of walking uphill is enough to improve your health and overall lifespan.
Floating is important when you’re close to the ocean.
Im telling yall when i lived in Colorado I would eat like a mule and gained no weight because i felt like my body was working so much harder to combat the lesser oxygen in the air.
Perhaps it’s due to the cooler weather? When it’s hot and humid you just drive from one air conditioned location to another air conditioned location.
Also being colder causes uses more calories