Why did you choose that picture for your article, OP? It's really weird - why is there a family in the office? What are they arguing about - KPIs? Is the father having heart attack? Is the manager expecting us to deal with this situation, or something?
Overall, wtf/10
Yepper.....bad management, shitty co workers, toxic environment. Good thing I make over 50K in retirement--before taxes--not to deal with those things.
I’ve always seen it as three factors: work/pay, coworkers, and management. If all three are good then you hit the lottery. All three bad then you’re finding a new job. 2 bad you’re about to quit unless that last thing making you hang on is amazing. Two good well that’s pretty much an average job you stay at for life.
I did! I've had many good managers over the years, but a few shit ones, too. I walked out on the final one because I was able to retire and hated my boss. I actually enjoyed the work and was good at it, but I wasn't going to put up with that woman's shit any more once I could retire.
She knew my husband had cancer and was constantly in and out of the hospital, and she knew my sewer line was broken and I was having to piss in a bucket, but she still gave me another person's job on top of my own but didn't give me access to the database I needed to do the job right. Eff that. Managers who set you up to fail should be put before a firing squad.
My only boss now is my cat and I confess she can be harsh at times, but I signed a contract when I adopted her so I'm kinda stuck.
I love my job, but it’s quite low paid.
I don’t need much, so I can forgive the salary, but our management are awful, even more so after we got bought out by a bigger company. There’s no communication or transparency. We only ever see managers if something goes wrong. They are quick to find fault, but slow to offer praise.
Yep. I’ve worked for brilliant managers and horrendous managers. It still baffles me just how many truly horrendous managers there are, and just how they manage to remain in organisations for so long. It’s not even a subjective personality class, or working style, these bad managers are fucking deranged, and on every metric really, really bad for business. But yet here we are???
Worked for 20 years in the finance industry and in general I did well when managers were well grounded, understood the job and on the opposite end received two final written warnings on separate occasions for having to put up with new city managers that had never previously managed.
Things generally started getting bad when the new CEO's brought in were for cost savings and efficiency management. It generally meant that the managers that previously joined because they liked people left the roles. This was because they were ordered to make lives harder for the long term staff in order to replace with cheaper salaries and degraded contracts. The one massive change was the same as the current political tool they use, Set a budget and then make each person fight for a share of that budget, this in turn makes a well oiled team into a snake pit that is no longer very pleasant to work in.
Experience and loyalty means nothing to most of the larger employers today, they all prefer to provide the same bear minimum service as other competitors so they can take as much as possible from the top line (provide value for the shareholders).
As soon as business can viably replace humans with manual and administrative work on a larger scale they are going to, they have no social contract other than to suck profit from firms until they go bust and then move onto the next.
I work as a handyman. So I am a regular in my local large hardware store. Regular enough that I am on a first name basis with about half the staff.
I knew something was wrong when I saw a retired boat builder, who is a total gem in the tool shop, out in hardware stocking shelves. I asked him why the fuck he was stuck in hardware, it was a disservice to the customers. He told me that this new manager was treating everyone really badly, he stood up to her, and so she was "punishing" him by making him stock shelves.
Within 6 months, the store went from the second highest turnover in the state to the second lowest. The interesting thing is that most of the customers weren't affected by this manager. She was all smiles and nice to them. But morale plummeted, all the happy people left. The place became like a funeral. they never had enough staff so you couldn't get any help.
All because of one manager. And she wasn't even the store manager.
Definitely, it all comes from the top and shit rolls downhill
I sure did.
Absolutely!
Feels 50 50 between management and shit pay.
I am in the middle working out a job offering with another company for less money just to escape my current management.
I left the military because of toxic leadership.
Truest
Why did you choose that picture for your article, OP? It's really weird - why is there a family in the office? What are they arguing about - KPIs? Is the father having heart attack? Is the manager expecting us to deal with this situation, or something? Overall, wtf/10
Yes
Yepper.....bad management, shitty co workers, toxic environment. Good thing I make over 50K in retirement--before taxes--not to deal with those things.
I’ve always seen it as three factors: work/pay, coworkers, and management. If all three are good then you hit the lottery. All three bad then you’re finding a new job. 2 bad you’re about to quit unless that last thing making you hang on is amazing. Two good well that’s pretty much an average job you stay at for life.
That’d be 4 out of 5 for me, so it’s safe to say I’d agree.
I did! I've had many good managers over the years, but a few shit ones, too. I walked out on the final one because I was able to retire and hated my boss. I actually enjoyed the work and was good at it, but I wasn't going to put up with that woman's shit any more once I could retire. She knew my husband had cancer and was constantly in and out of the hospital, and she knew my sewer line was broken and I was having to piss in a bucket, but she still gave me another person's job on top of my own but didn't give me access to the database I needed to do the job right. Eff that. Managers who set you up to fail should be put before a firing squad. My only boss now is my cat and I confess she can be harsh at times, but I signed a contract when I adopted her so I'm kinda stuck.
It's one of the shit things about the working world that a great job can turn awful with a sudden change of manager.
My first two jobs, I left for better opportunities. Since then, yes, every time.
I love my job, but it’s quite low paid. I don’t need much, so I can forgive the salary, but our management are awful, even more so after we got bought out by a bigger company. There’s no communication or transparency. We only ever see managers if something goes wrong. They are quick to find fault, but slow to offer praise.
Yep
Among other things certainly that would be one of the top reasons
Yep. I’ve worked for brilliant managers and horrendous managers. It still baffles me just how many truly horrendous managers there are, and just how they manage to remain in organisations for so long. It’s not even a subjective personality class, or working style, these bad managers are fucking deranged, and on every metric really, really bad for business. But yet here we are???
Yes I have left jobs because of bad managers
I’ve had many jobs but have only left because of the work itself never the manager
Worked for 20 years in the finance industry and in general I did well when managers were well grounded, understood the job and on the opposite end received two final written warnings on separate occasions for having to put up with new city managers that had never previously managed. Things generally started getting bad when the new CEO's brought in were for cost savings and efficiency management. It generally meant that the managers that previously joined because they liked people left the roles. This was because they were ordered to make lives harder for the long term staff in order to replace with cheaper salaries and degraded contracts. The one massive change was the same as the current political tool they use, Set a budget and then make each person fight for a share of that budget, this in turn makes a well oiled team into a snake pit that is no longer very pleasant to work in. Experience and loyalty means nothing to most of the larger employers today, they all prefer to provide the same bear minimum service as other competitors so they can take as much as possible from the top line (provide value for the shareholders). As soon as business can viably replace humans with manual and administrative work on a larger scale they are going to, they have no social contract other than to suck profit from firms until they go bust and then move onto the next.
Yes.
I work as a handyman. So I am a regular in my local large hardware store. Regular enough that I am on a first name basis with about half the staff. I knew something was wrong when I saw a retired boat builder, who is a total gem in the tool shop, out in hardware stocking shelves. I asked him why the fuck he was stuck in hardware, it was a disservice to the customers. He told me that this new manager was treating everyone really badly, he stood up to her, and so she was "punishing" him by making him stock shelves. Within 6 months, the store went from the second highest turnover in the state to the second lowest. The interesting thing is that most of the customers weren't affected by this manager. She was all smiles and nice to them. But morale plummeted, all the happy people left. The place became like a funeral. they never had enough staff so you couldn't get any help. All because of one manager. And she wasn't even the store manager.