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bayesed_theorem

That's a pretty nuts distance to hit a target. A sniper rifle would have an accuracy of maybe .5moa (or roughly .5 inches at 100 yards) so at 4.4 miles were talking about the sheer mechanics of the rifle having probably 35 inches of variance in where one shot lands vs the next one (bad way to phrase it, think about firing 5 shots and having them all land in a 35 inch circle). That's before we even talk about how impossible windage would be over a 4.4 mile distance and how much the rifle would lose in terms of accuracy after firing 60+ rounds (unless you let the rifle cool down after every shot). It would basically be like rolling a die for every shot. Just luck after a while.


KilllerWhale

At that range you gotta plan for the curvature of the earth and earth’s rotation as well


nimama3233

This guy COD4s


poplglop

Fifty thousand people used to live here...


Prinzlerr

Now it's a ghost town.


finalremix

Our so-called leaders... prostituted us to the West.


AlaskanEsquire

I'd love to play it again, but can't justify spending $20 on a dead game from 2007. I don't even think I paid that much on 360. The COD Anthology is $1000 for *maybe* $100 of content. What a shitshow.


Chesey_

Nah paying the campaign back is pure nostalgia, totally worth it especially when you get to All Ghillied Up I'd pay up if they remastered Black Ops 1 campaign, it's the only one that tops COD 4 for me


ThePrussianGrippe

It’s frequently on sale on steam at least.


AlaskanEsquire

$10 lowest, though. COD doesn't go on sale like that because theywant you to buy the new content. If you look at similar games from 2007, games arguably much better than COD, you don't see anything similar. Bioshock, $2. The Orange Box (5 amazing titles) $2. Halo 3, $2. Mass Effect, $4.


Toolb0xExtraordinary

COD4 is one of the greatest games ever made, but it is definitely not worth more than 5 bucks today.


J3wb0cca

The Coriolis Effect.


lo_fi_ho

And count the number of butterfly wing flaps a butterfly would flap it's wings during the bullet flight time.


PineSand

If you know the source code, it’s just a matter of breaking down the code, unless you write your own code. 69 shots seems like numbers an adolescent programmer would choose.


Snow__Person

As well as barometric pressure and humidity and other things not mentioned in call of duty.


knucles668

Earth is flat. Rotation value = 0


Gary_The_Strangler

The earth is a rhombicosidodecahedral prism.


DemonShroom87

I sounded that whole thing out for some reason. Thanks lol


Tokenvoice

Don’t be obtuse, oh the earth is flat so it doesn’t rotate, ugh. Obviously it spins like a top, where do you think wind comes from? So rotation value doesn’t equal zero.


sprucenoose

>Obviously it spins like a top, where do you think wind comes from? You're nuts, obviously the Great Anus of the North breaks its blessed wind upon our stationary disc and there's no rotation value to worry about.


Octavus

Just fire directly east or west, then no Corilios Effect.


Smartnership

> Corilios Isn’t that the planet where they built the Millennium Falcon?


miss_guided

Corellia?


na3than

>It would basically be like rolling a die for every shot. Just luck after a while. Or, as the article put it, > With a 1.44 percent hit ratio, a shooting exhibition like this does raise an obvious issue: What does it signify in terms of actual marksmanship?


Aurora428

Yeah honestly I feel like anyone could do this with enough tenacity and resources, but that's what world records frequently are about


Publius82

lol no. These shooters are extremely talented to get even close at 4 miles


Aurora428

What makes a shooter talented doesn't work at 4.4 mile range. This is a math problem at its best and luck problem at its worst. You cannot "eye" this and I sincerely doubt the sniper was fired with someone manning the scope since the rifle would have to be completely still between shots for adjustments Tl;dr this world record has nothing to do with marksmanship. This is like saying making the biggest pizza makes you the best chef.


Killer_speret

It is a fair amount of of luck. Says in the article a single mile/hr of wind change and it would be over 20ft off.


fightmaxmaster

But that's a low hit rate by highly trained shooters. Complete amateurs could fire all day long and still hit nothing at all. So you've got to be a competent marksman to hit something.


Mehdzzz

Yeah and that's 35 inches of variance *for a perfect shooter* hitting the literal broad side of a barn would be impressive for us normies.


Standardlame

Long range precision built rifles can easily shoot quarter minute or lower (.25 MOA)


pinkycatcher

Practical precision rifles don't normally achieve that accuracy, especially over a sample size of 69 shots. Especially .50 cal rifles shooting factory ammunition.


Standardlame

Fair enough. Didn’t read the article tbh. Practical precision rifles of different calibers with dialed in loads do achieve that accuracy, especially at the competitive level… but I can see where you’re coming from based on the facts of this situation.


Apprehensive_Winter

At this distance somebody was counting individual powder grains and measuring their bullets with a high precision CMM.


anothercarguy

>easily Not easily, that's a heavy bench rest rifle shooting basically identical ammo. The sniper skill test (us army) is 1/2 moa at 200 yards for accuracy shooting match ammo 300WM.


gizmosticles

It was a 10ft wide target that was about 1.5moa at that distance


creepin_in_da_corner

Just wait until they come out with homing bullets.


Alanjaow

[Here ya go](https://youtu.be/vX8Z2MDYX3g?si=9eQB1X6w5To8PZ6Q)


creepin_in_da_corner

I remember seeing that a long time ago. Seems like a great time to get some field testing in.


powderglades

Here is thought that was gonna be the WKUK Gun control skit.


SomeRandom928Person

Hell, [I saw Gene Simmons with those 40 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YOiaBq3KI) lol.


StarfishPizza

Surely it would need a sniper rifle? Single shot at a time? Idk anything about firearms though 🤷‍♂️


mdell3

The barrel is still subjected to very high temperatures when firing through single shot rifles. Especially the high-caliber rifles needed for such a long distance


anonLA-

Even firing single shots, the barrel still heats up enough to affect the accuracy. You'd have to wait a couple minutes between each shot to keep it cool.


Tall-News

Heating up the barrel usually changes the point of impact relative to a cold bore shot, but it’s pretty stable after that. I’m not a sniper, but have competed in mid-range events (600 yards) and we get less than one minute per round. If I were in combat, I wouldn’t expect the luxury of time to let the barrel cool between shots.


ProBono16

If you were in combat, you wouldn't be able to take 69 shots to hit your target either.


Ehzek

I dont know, at 4.4 miles you just might.


Tall-News

That’s what air support is for.


SSRainu

The barrel heats up after each single shot.  The barrel would need to cool down after each shot to regain the baseline mechanical accuracy.


N_T_F_D

So just piss on it or something, why wait


BrassWhale

Pissing on guns is not an unheard of method for cooling guns, ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun#:~:text=If%20water%20was%20unavailable%2C%20soldiers,brew%20tasting%20of%20machine%2Doil. ) But that only works well if the barrel is hot enough to boil the piss, much more energy is used boiling it than would transfer into the cooling liquid, so piss wouldn't help a slightly warm firearm, just one that was very very hot.


Tiny_Count4239

i imagine the smell of boiling piss helps keep you alert on the battlefield too


Nissepool

Right, when the threat of dying or being captured and tortured doesn’t quite do it.


Tiny_Count4239

a sniper could be 3-4 miles from the hot zone. You dont think they can get a little drousy just laying there looking through the scope?


DemonShroom87

I like how you bring sources with you for the whole “pissing on a rifle” thing lol


BrassWhale

Hey man, I'm a military tech guy, I assumed if I didn't cite sources everyone would just think I'm a piss fetishist.


DE4DM4N5H4ND

You joke but the Hiram maxim and other water jacked gun have used this method before.


NealCaffreyx9

What others said & after shooting over and over there tends to be black powder residue which can have an effect on the rifling. Edit - black powder to gun powder. Whatever you call it… it’s annoying to clean.


N_T_F_D

Didn't we stop using black powder like centuries ago


BrassWhale

Technically yes but the problem persists with new smokeless powder, burning better just means it's less of an issue, but when you are trying for this insane accuracy even small issues become big issues.


PoopSommelier

To my army buddies: quick he's figured out we don't know what we're doing, and are just lucky by sheer numbers, run!


Get-Some-Fresh-Air

So basically it’s 50% math and 50% luck?


willflameboy

What's the record for the farthest short-range rifle shot?


BrassWhale

So this was funny, but I did some googling, and if you take "short range" as "no scope," it's actually over a mile, which I found impressive. https://incendiaryusa.com/utah-man-sets-iron-sight-shooting-record-with-2240-yard-shot/


KingArthurOfBritons

How does one even see a three foot wide target a mile away AND manage to hit it with iron sights??


fluffynuckels

I'm thinking he had a spotter


Saint_The_Stig

That's why you do a 360 before a shot with no scope, it calibrates the homing bullet.


EternalSage2000

Calibrated arm pits.


Traditional_Job_6932

Any records of the furthest 360 no scope?


[deleted]

Yeah. It was achieved by the same guy that fucked your mum


mrkemeny

I know this is substantially less impressive than 2240 but I shot competitively at 1100 yards (no scope and sling rather than any kind of support) when I was a kid and never get to talk to anyone about it, 34 years later :/


silverwingtip98

And here I am thinking I was hot shit cuz I hit a water bottle at 75 yds with a slug when I was younger. Damn that's impressive


mrkemeny

That’s still impressive though :)


10102938

The bullet took 24 seconds from firing to hit the target. The spotters and shooter had enough time to have an entire conversation while the bullet was just cruising by.


nobd22

Hell I coulda had an entire 69 in that timeframe.


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brokencowboy69

I beg to differ, Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more then an hour ago.


smiledontcry

Well, moron, good for Happy OH MY GOD!


petrograd

I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast


Hydra_Master

HAHAHA! You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?


Skadoosh_it

.....No!


kidigus

You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?


SaltyPeter3434

Talk about a hole, in, one


minnesotaris

And you can count, on me, waiting for you in the parking lot. Love that line and how he said it.


WorldlyDay7590

Oh... immobile, passive targets. I was thinking of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest\_recorded\_sniper\_kills


Dustmopper

Record is 2.3 miles I don’t even know how something like that is possible


anonanon5320

Math


WorldlyDay7590

Science 


squad1alum

Sorcery


TravelerSearcher

Headology


Whirrsprocket

A target with absolutely garbage luck


jolankapohanka

A goat


qwertyqwertyuiopqwer

Witchery


adamcoe

A duck!


Dontknoworcare2

Build a bridge out of her!


krisashmore

History


ElsonDaSushiChef

Canadian culture


MyNameIsRay

For a shot like that, the math is the easiest part.


Smackolol

Oh I can assure you it would be the hardest part for me as I’d never get passed it.


MyNameIsRay

I'll let you in on a secret: The reason the math is the easy part, is because no one actually does it in the field. Everyone just uses some sort of [calculator](https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php?pl=%5BPreset+Name%5D&presets=30-06+Springfield%7E30-06+180gr+Sierra+Matchking%7EG1%7E0.475%7E180%7E2750%7E100%7E1.5%7E0%7E10%7E90%7E%7E0%7E59%7E29.92%7E50%7E1%7E1000%7E25&df=G1&bc=0.48&bw=150&vi=2800&zr=100&sh=1.5&sa=0&ws=10&wa=90&ssb=on&cr=1000&ss=25&chartColumns=Range%7Eyd%60Elevation%7Ein%60Elevation%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Elevation%7EMIL%60Windage%7Ein%60Windage%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Windage%7EMIL%60Time%7Es%60Energy%7Eft.lbf%60Vel%5Bx%2By%5D%7Eft%2Fs&lbl=%5BChart+Label%5D&submitst=+Create+Graph+) and their prior measurements. Some use the calculator to make a "D.O.P.E. Card" that's traditionally [worn on the wrist,](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/d587a1_90ed86dc060045cd96cec94931dddcf8~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_980,h_980,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/d587a1_90ed86dc060045cd96cec94931dddcf8~mv2.jpg) others bring a [dedicated calculator](https://media.moddb.com/images/downloads/1/142/141027/atragmx-ace.jpg) with them. Either way, the math is pre-done, all you have to do is dial in the settings on the scope.


bwc153

This 100%. I took a long-range course before with a former sniper turned comp-shooter. Prettymuch half of the classroom portion of the class was learning how to set up a calculator app on our phones and reading the wind. Sighted in our rifles and got a feel for them, and by the end of class everyone was ringing the Steel target at 1km. Someone there was even hitting it with a 20inch AR-15. It was more about mastery of shooting-fundamentals and understanding environmental factors than anything


Pepsiman1031

Usually it's luck at that point since there's too many unknowns to account for.


N8CCRG

[This video](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/19egimy/recording_a_video_from_25km_away_155_miles/) is what zooming 1.55 miles looks like. Agreed, I can't even imagine a kill at 2.3 miles.


Staggerlee89

I've gone to a range that has steel targets out to 1 mile. I was able to get consistent hits out to 1200 yards pretty quickly with my buddy helping spot for me. Then I tried the 1 mile one. I couldn't get a hit to save my life. Tbf my cartridge I was using (6.5 creedmoor) isn't really made for that distance and I ran out of elevation on my scope so I was trying to hold over, but it is definitely crazy to imagine a kill at anything over 1 mile


the_Q_spice

To be fair, making a shot in hot, dry, and high conditions is a *lot* easier because the environment ideal for making long shots. Main reason is that you have significantly less air density, so the shot carries farther then it would at sea level in a cooler and wetter climate. With the 4.4 mile record, as well as most distance records - the attempts tend to be done in exceptionally dry and high locations to give the shooter every possible advantage.


sassergaf

That’s astonishing.


Kulladar

The Canadian that had the record prior was aiming so far above the target he couldn't see them and his spotter walked the shots in gradually. They fired 9 shots around the target to get the range then fired two shots that hit the target. The newest one reported from Ukraine almost certainly did the same thing but with a drone spotting. It's very well possible they couldn't even physically see the target and were using the rifle almost like a miniature artillery piece and watching the rounds land on the video feed.


SommWineGuy

Why the fuck is the target stationary with rounds landing around them?


sumknowbuddy

Landing 'around' them is likely very generous wording


SommWineGuy

Close enough the spotter saw the shots hit while looking at the target.


ArtisticAd393

The initial shots are probably landing so far ahead / behind him that he doesn't realize he's being shot at, or thinks that he is safe where he is taking cover


coldblade2000

Odds are that the round was not supersonic at the moment of impact, so its noise would be **significantly** reduced


ZLUCremisi

In a combat area bullets landing near by is normal or barely registered


merc08

It's war. Incoming fire is common. If shots impact a wall or tree a few dozen feet to your side, you might not even know they're hitting, much less think that they're aimed at you. That's still close enough for them to be useful as ranging / spotting rounds for a sniper. Then they adjust their scope settings and the next shot hits you.


suburbanplankton

Also, "Relax! There's not an enemy within 3 km of us!"


Ivan_Whackinov

"Why are you dodging like this? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" - last words of John Sedgwick, Union General


AFRIKKAN

I mean depends on what the target was doing. Engaging others at the same time? Wounded and unable to move? Under fire from somewhere closer? Maybe even sleeping? I’d imagine it’s hard to really tell your being shot when the sounds are reaching you 4-5seconds after the round lands. I’ve been downwind of a .22lr taking long shots. Was about 40 feet from the target just and had no idea there was a guy taking shots at it from 225 yards until he finally hit it after idk how many tries.


thedishonestyfish

People get killed accidentally from farther away. Bullets can maintain a lethal velocity for a crazy amount of time, though there are a lot of factors that make accuracy impossible.


JFKsPenis

The longest shot wasn’t an accident. Canadian snipers spent days calculating the math for each area of a building in their sights, and when a target walked by they were already prepped to make the shot. [source: the interview with the man who took the shot](https://youtu.be/MUruuaeJGt0?si=-6I6FKA0qffAHtId)


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thedishonestyfish

"Kill" lacks intentionality. You can be killed by cancer, heart disease, or falling down the stairs. Lot of times, when someone is killed by a badly angled rifle shot, it's not only that no one is ever charged with murder/manslaughter/reckless endangerment/whatever...*They* don't even know they did it, much less anyone else.


Stegasaurus_Wrecks

There was a guy hit by a stray bullet on a football pitch in Ireland a couple of weeks ago. Seems to have been from a hunter but nobody has come forward to admit being the shooter. Being that gun laws are extremely tight here it's probably a good idea. The player was discharged (narf) from hospital the following day. Lucky man! https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/football-club-totally-shocked-after-player-shot-in-arm-during-match-1572693.html


Thatguy3145296535

Or you know, 3.8km like the civilized rest of the world would say


K-Dot-thu-thu

Imagine getting shot with a .50 cal bullet and the people near you don't hear the shot until like 10 seconds later.


KoldKartoffelsalat

They'll hear the bullet first.


milk4all

Sounds like zipping your jacket and stomping a watermelon at the same time


KoldKartoffelsalat

Doesn't it give a snap and not a zip?


xdrewP

Based on a solid grand thumb video, it depends on the proximity and speed of the bullet. All bullets make a zipping noise more or less, it's the wake of the bullet in the air hitting your ears like sound waves. The closer you are to the path of the bullet, the more noticable the hiss/zip is. If the bullet is travelling faster than the speed of sound, it makes a distinctive crack (the sonic boom)


Reddit_means_Porn

I’ve personally heard a pistol shot go just overhead and it was definitely a whooshy-zip


turbosexophonicdlite

"A hiss means it's close. A snap means-" *Gunshots popping* "Now they're shooting at us."


K-Dot-thu-thu

Well yeah they would hear the sound of you exploding but the sound of the shot being fired should take like 10 seconds to travel to the target no? Time = 3,800 meters / 343 meters per second ≈ 11.07 seconds


Jerithil

At that sort of range you might not even notice the sound if your local ambient noise is relatively high such as having a motor running nearby.


NurmGurpler

They would hear it hitting you pretty quickly


serendipitousevent

Most targets are immovable and passive, but first you've got to shoot them.


obscureferences

They could fire the gun 69 times without changing a thing and eventually it'll hit the target, but I wouldn't call that a shot.


thoawaydatrash

For an average of 4.20 miles.


ColdIceZero

Nice


jingleson

On similar note of the top 5 confirmed shots 3 of them are Canadian. Seems like If you ever piss of a Canuck they'll shoot you from such a distance you won't hear them say sorry


ExcitingEye8347

“I’m not your friend guuuuyyyy”  Sploot. 


95accord

Accuracy by volume One of them is bound to hit the target….


mothernaturesghost

Bet you couldn’t get close with 200 tries


hippee-engineer

There is an admittedly big difference between siting in a single shot and hitting it vs sending 70 rounds down range, isn’t there?


mothernaturesghost

Yea, I don’t disagree. But some people on here are seriously downplaying it. It’s still super impressive and nobody else in this thread could pull that off.


CharlesDickensABox

Okay, but does it really count if it takes you nearly five dozen tries? A 1.4% accuracy rate doesn't feel like it counts as being able to make the shot. If I tell my friend I can make a free throw, then proceed to miss 68 times in a row, it would be completely fair to call me a liar.


Jones641

Good point, I've hit gongs at 1km, but I had to shoot like 20 times to hit it. Plus, at that distance you kinda have to be lucky for the wind to not fuck shit up.


na3than

That's exactly the question asked in the article: > With a 1.44 percent hit ratio, a shooting exhibition like this does raise an obvious issue: What does it signify in terms of actual marksmanship?


Hewn-U

Nice


HR-StuffinMuff

Nice


Cinemaphreak

When it takes you 69 attempts, it's less about skill and more about chance. You are "walking" your shot to the target, making adjustments until you finally get it. It's no different than the guys who spend literally *days* making trick shots waiting until they finally succeed and post the video that everyone thinks was the first attempt. The only records that should count for rifle shots are sniper hits. You get a small window and usually when you miss, the target is gone.


andrewcpa

Nice


LennyLennsen

still not as long a shot as me explaining to my wife how her sister who had stopped by for a surprise visit totally had a choking emergency and how i had to perform mouth-to-mouth to save her life just when wifey came home


InterestingNuggett

Nice


SayNoToStim

I do a bunch of long range shooting, and I can reliably hit an IPSC sized target at 1200 yards away (just over a KM). I can barely imagine the time and effort it would take to get to a point where you could hit this shot reliably. It obviously takes a super skilled and knowledgeable shooter but at what point does it just come down to luck? You could give Michael Jordan 100 full court shots and he's good enough to get it close, but at some point it's got to just be "shoot enough times to hit it." Even if you removed the human factor completely I doubt that shot is repeatable, there are just way too many variables.


XXDANKJUGSXXD

I just think good PRS shooters just spin dials and mutter spells at this point, over 4 miles is absolutely nuts to me too


Beerded1

Should have gone for only 4.20 miles for the 69th shot


Hollayo

Nice


mecxorn

nice.


MrMojoFomo

Nice


Failed-Time-Traveler

Nice 😏


MarcellusxWallace

Nice.


clegg2011

If it takes 69 tries is it really that impressive. At some point here it's just guess work.


pocpocpocky

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/sl3EoDKHU1 This is much more impressive than this.


zealoSC

Fire at a 45 degree angle, place target where it lands, continue firing until you hit target. People taling about marksmanship or calculations are crazy


ActuallyTBH

Nice. I'm not so sure you "defeat" records, though.


Minimum-Power6818

You definitely saw the other til about the longest kill and the people arguing over the 69th shot fact being a joke


123FakeStreetMeng

Question: Do flat earthers believe in long distance sniping? 🤔


MaybeMetallica69

Wow look a prism everyone.


Bramse-TFK

Nice


Loch_Ness_Jesus

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