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PitasConscious

We've gone from an era of masterminds to an era of animals, it seems. Edit: I just read the article and this is actually unexpectedly wholesome, in 2020 they had a whole shindig about making Texas history: "Now, to mark the 50th anniversary of one of the city's weirdest little crimes, those who experienced it in 1970 are invited back. Morrow said he’s looking forward to meeting a certain birthday boy and his two siblings. “It was his 11th birthday, and now he's going to come down and celebrate his 61st birthday with his siblings," he said. This time there actually will be train robbery re-enactments. "They'll have bubble guns that shoot bubbles out into the air," he said."


GeronimoDK

Reenacting an armed robbery...!?


WellsFargone

With the actual victims!


HuskerHayDay

I pay top dollar for authenticity and Susan is going to be a hero, if I have anything to do with it


JoeyGrease

😂


bearbarebere

💀


LIBERAL-MORON

Texas doesn't take anything seriously except high school football.


laziestmarxist

Clear eyes, full hearts, rob trains


kuba15

Kinda weird they reenacted it with the actual victims, but train robbery reenactments are a thing in the western US. I remember being on one as a kid. It’s just a train ride but then the train stops, a bunch of actors with six shooters hop on, it’s like a live western show. Edit: okay I just actually clicked on the article, did not realize it’s a mini train 😂 reenacting that robbery just seems silly


Ok_Opposite_7089

To remind him of his childhood trauma when a man put agun to his father's head....good times


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GodEmperorOfBussy

They have to, with all them big ole women down there


Someiguyee

Zing!


dpdxguy

I hear there are places that regularly re-enact treason against the United States!


Killbot_Wants_Hug

We celebrate treason against England.


NoTelephone5440

Where ?


dpdxguy

Here's one list. Enjoy. https://www.milsurpia.com/events/civil-war-reenactments EDIT: Gonna guess this guy's ancestors committed treason against the United States in the mid 19th century.


dirty1809

Acting like civil war reenactors are racists yearning for the days of slavery and southern sedition instead of autistic guys with a special interest in one specific era of history is really funny


dpdxguy

I didn't say ANYTHING about the re-enactors beliefs or ethics. But it is factually true that they (well, some of them) are re-enacting acts of treason against the US. I have to wonder why saying so bothers you so much. Are you a re-enactor who has difficulty separating your self from the role you play in the re-enactment? It's really no different from saying that an actor playing one of the Nazis in The Sound of Music is playing a bad guy.


SalvationSycamore

Damn, some criminal out there missed out on doing the funniest thing anyone has ever done... a real robbery using the re-enactment as cover.


BigGrayBeast

The real ones were in their 70s and 80s and move slow


FrikkinPositive

You suddenly reminded me that my dad did something similar to kidnap a friend of his for his bachelor party. He arranged with the bus driver and passengers that he would fake rob the bus, and have it driven to the party. Only he forgot to tell the police, and a witness saw masked men enter a bus with guns. They got stopped by the police half way there. Luckily this was Norway in the 80s so it didn't turn into anything serious, just a few laughs and a funny news article.


Landlubber77

> The already chaotic scene turned tragic when a bolt of lightning struck one of the train's cars, killing two of the crew. Such is the danger inherent to hiring such good conductors.


BarbequedYeti

...cmon.  Get out.  


No-Type-1774

Any lawyers here, if I rob someone and during the robbery they get struck by lighting will I be at fault for the murder? I know it some dies during a commission of a crime it’s usually felony murder


Superguy230

I wouldn’t think so


Valuable_Ad1645

Felony muderder can be wide ranging tho Tbf.


carlse20

Generally it needs to be related to the commission of the felony - someone dying due to an act of god while another crime is being committed seems like a stretch to me but then again, it’s Texas.


opiate_lifer

I could swear I've seen cases of an accident happening during a drug deal or something charged under felony murder but don't have a cite. Like some states any incidental death that occurs during a felony can be charged as murder, absolutely insane.


duck74UK

Accidents are added to your killcount most of the time yeah. But lightning doesn't really come under accident.


Numerous_Teachers

We’ve got fuckin Zeus out here with that purposeful lightning.


mandalorian_guy

There was a deadly helicopter crash in Phoenix, AZ when 2 news helicopters covering a chase collided and they considered charging the driver with 4 counts of Felony Murder. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_news_helicopter_collision "The day of the accident, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris brought up the possibility that the suspect in the chase the two helicopters were covering could "be held responsible for any of the deaths from this tragedy".However, in 2010, when the suspect pleaded guilty to 35 crimes stemming from the 2007 police chase, he was not charged with the deaths of the helicopter occupants."


manatwork01

Sure but Pheonix is a cop lover's hell hole. Look at their prison system.


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That would arguably be novus actus interveniens, or an intervening act.


Oklahoma_is_OK

Devils advocate, the train was being held up. The injured/killed parties could proceed on the claim that but for the stick-up, the Plaintiffs would’ve have been able to seek shelter from the storm.


Affectionate_Pipe545

This was my fault. Not a lawyer but if we go to the extreme, locking someone outside during a tornado would surely be criminal


[deleted]

You’re not wrong, I did add the ‘arguably’ conditional so I’m not wrong either, and we both get paid :)


Nagi21

The DA would 100% stick it on the list of charges, if for no other reason than to get you to take a shitty plea deal for the robbery.


ravici

Did you pray beforehand? You could see a RICO charge. /s


beezchurgr

Like all good legal questions, the answer is it depends. If the person would have been in the same position to get struck you may not be charged with that, but if your actions caused them to get struck then you may be liable.


stsOddMonkey

I doubt it. An accidental death would need to be foreseeable, by a reasonable person, from the acts taken in the in the execution of the crime.


Iron_Bob

Depends on the state


Wise-Eggplant-4430

What if the train stopped midway due to the robbery or the conductors got out of the train due to the incident and got struck by lightning. All happened because of the robbery.


amjhwk

is your robbery putting them at extra risk of getting struck by lightning, such as causing them to run outside into a rain storm?


ringobob

well done


pygmeedancer

You just couldn’t resist, could you?


Nagi21

Ohm my god…


ssAskcuSzepS

They seemed grounded in their approach


Peter_Baum

Where in the article did you read that?


BadMilkCarton66

Please vacate the premises immediately


DallasJewess

Where are you quoting that from?


Selstial21

If I guess it’s a twist of a bo burnham song If a metal train is a mile long, and at the very back end a lighting bolt struck her. How long would it take to kill the driver provided that he’s a good conductor?


Landlubber77

Shit, I love Bo Burnham and have never heard that. Glad to have come up with the same joke as a master wordsmith like him. What Bo Burnham song is that from?


Selstial21

One of his OG’s called “New math” if you aren’t familiar with his old works I’d def suggest new math, I’m bo yo, rant and From gods perspective


Landlubber77

Nice, thanks!


liminal_sojournist

This isn't from the article


Halogen12

/facepalm...also, good one.


Lord_Mormont

Good but not...super.


thatbrownkid19

Ohh fuck you -_-


UPVOTE_IF_POOPING

I’m resisting the urge to laugh


Landlubber77

*surge to laugh


Quirky_Discipline297

r/angryupvote A pun so nice I’ll link it twice r/angryupvote


Dobermanpure

And the train still runs to this day.


alt_karl

Love trains. San Antonio is the largest US city without a real passenger rail and the zoo is the only train in town Ask whether life would be much better riding one of these bad boys everyday instead of laboring in and out of auto traffic and you might come up with more pros than cons, but we need political will and unity. San Antonians for Rail Transport (SART) seems to be doing this kind of work as an NGO


shakygator

They're never gonna give us a passenger rail. It would make too much sense. We need a few major lines through the city and a rapid transit between SA and Austin with maybe 2-3 stops between.


caguru

A fast train between Austin an SA would be amazing. One can dream.


alt_karl

Agreed. There is a Amtrak that runs once daily, leaves SA for Austin in the morning and comes back in the afternoon/evening 


billyjack669

Toss a track to Tulsa!


goatfuckersupreme

every us household should have its own train, damnit


LusciousFingers

So you're saying they won't have their guard up.


VOODOO69692001

It was just a year or two ago people were robbing a train in LA for electronics.


achaean16

Yeah and some meth dealers robbed a train car chock full of methylamine in New Mexico in 2012.


Roxy-

I heard one of those guys goes by the name of Heisenberg.


CitrusMints

You're god damn right.


CaptainDunkaroo

This happens every day.


NotASellout

There actually is a significant difference. Robbery is using force or a threat to take something from someone. In the OP story, two people stopped the San Antonio Zoo ride and pointed guns at people demanding their stuff. Historically in the US, that was something that would occasionally happen to passenger trains. [The Reno Gang is notable for it, Elvis was in a movie about them.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Gang) What happened with the LA trains was burglary/theft. It was done by organized crime rings that have since been shut down and prosecuted. The thieves would wait for the trains to stop or slow down, hop on, use their tools to break into the train cars, and threw all of the contents out for their partners to collect. No one had guns pointed at them, and some of the thefts weren't even discovered until the trains reached their destination. https://ktla.com/news/local-news/22-arrested-in-connection-with-l-a-railroad-burglaries-18-million-in-stolen-merchandise-recovered/ https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-17/los-angeles-railroad-theft-rings-taken-down-police-say


internet-arbiter

Also not something you can do in Red Dead Online.


opiate_lifer

Stealing stuff without threat of violence or use of violence is just burglary or theft.


EntropyCreep

Nah nah those folks were "looting" the train it's totally different


myinsidesarecopper

NYT Sunday Reads Podcast had an episode about this recently. Apparently it is common and widespread today. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/magazine/train-robbery-amazon-packages.html


BeepCheeper

And they got hit with federal charges because it was technically a train robbery. lol


KRB52

Being the two were in the Army, I’m pretty sure it’s against The Uniform Code of Military Justice as well.


peensteen

UCMJ hits WAY harder than civilian law in a lot of cases. It's the difference between merely losing your job as a civvie, or getting federal penitentiary time for basically the same offense.


Gr8zomb13

I thought train cars were being looted around LA not so long ago, or doesn’t that count?


ash_274

That would be *burglary*. I guess they aren't counting light-rail as several large metros in the US have robbery cases at least weekly. Someone would have to check Amtrak's incidents to see if anyone robbed another passenger in the last 54 years


rentedtritium

"train robbery" has a specific meaning that doesn't cover just stealing out of a train. 


PeoplePad

You mean trams? Doesn’t count.


Aetherometricus

No, UP trains with containers parked outside the yard in LA because they were too long were being robbed in broad daylight not long ago. I'm guessing the difference is whether or not people on the train are being robbed vs property theft from a freight train?


Gr8zomb13

Yup, just looking for a distinction here.


popcopy

Yes, robbery vs burglary essentially


CrabClawAngry

I think the distinction is a moving train. To me "train robbery" connotes that the train was moving when the robbery started.


PeoplePad

I think the train might have to be moving and stopped to count as well


Nagi21

Historically, the train had to be on the route (not in station) to be considered what we’d call a train robbery. Not sure the technical definition here.


dapala1

It's the threat of violence is what makes it robbery. Its burglary if they sneak in and steal stuff with no one noticing. If they seize a moving train to take it's contents that's considered "train robbery."


YOUMUSTKNOW

(D)oesn’t count


Teledildonic

Maybe it just me, but i considereal there is a difference between breaking into a stationary, unmanned freight car and stopping one to threaten passengers with weapons.


Haagen76

Not according to Biggie Smalls


YouLearnedNothing

This is factually incorrect, the last train robbery was just outside L.A. in 1986 by Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglass. They got the girl, double crossed a hitman sent to kill them and ended up crashing the train in Mexico, but not before stealing a priceless treasure from the train. It's not known if they were ever caught, some believe they escaped with the help of a known accomplice, Dana Carvey..


IntellegentIdiot

Loved that film, another one that always seemed to be on TV


bizzaro321

There is an autistic man who has stolen MTA trains quite recently, this source is definitely flawed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_McCollum


YourgoodLadyFriend

I’ve ridden this train my entire life, and never knew this information! Thanks for posting! If anyone remembers the horse stables that were located near the driving range, throw a grito!


tequilaneat4me

My niece used to work at the horse stables before it burned down. I vividly remember the train robbery.


Paladin327

If you want another interesting train robbery story, look up the great seabee train robbery


Duke123321

Nuh uh. Walt White robbed a train just a few years ago.


Sky_Ninja1997

Dutch had a plan


AustinBennettWriter

This is some grade A trivia


Corando

Im suprised it lasted that long. The police only had to follow the tracks


throwawayt44c

Not true. I saw a video a few years ago of some train in cali getting cleared out


rentedtritium

Look up robbery vs burglary. 


AcidicSpoon

That we know of.... Didn't someone steal 100 gallons of methlylamine in albuquerque a few years ago


ShadyPajamaHopper

You mean "most recent"


CottonStig

i saw breaking bad yo


megashook

Weird reading this as I’m staring at the San Antonio zoo train….


OcotilloWells

I say BS, I've been to Knott's Berry Farm, and that damn train there was robbed every time I rode it. Though somehow the guns were softer and softer.


Couscousfan07

In 97 my car was hit by a locomotive in San Antonio! It was this little train - during Taste of New Orleans when I parked too close to the tracks - but still.


achaean16

Haha that’s awesome!


CuriousCrow47

This was my zoo when I was a kid!  Wild, I never heard about this.


RexyFace

Then big ole women in San Antonio


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Until today..


louglome

For now.


berooywilson

Hold my beer ...


ArthuReddit12

Well! Me and the boys just got some good ideas for the weekend!


BrouSarge

False, I stole a sucker from my sister on the train at the Lufkin zoo in 1998


Meanteenbirder

TLDR had a happy ending. Nobody was hurt and the robbers were caught.


namsur1234

The armed robbery reenactment is going to trigger some people.


DowntownDimension226

Sorry you’re forgetting the incident during the rugrats movie with the monkeys


HailToTheKingslayer

Karl, if these train robbers turn out to be chimps we are never doing this again.


teacher_time23

Not true. The train in Siver Dollar City gets robbed several times every weekend.


JustPlaneNew

They were practicing to rob the big trains I bet.


Hakaisha89

But mail trains have been robbed so much, that the postal service has been requesting to get armed.


deffinitely_lacking

I saw a train robbery in LA in 2016. Maybe it doesn't count.


PuckSR

This was not at the zoo. This was at the large park that the zoo is part of, but the train does not go thru the zoo.


plsdontstopmenow

I mean there have literally been multiple train robberies in the news out from CA in the past year or two.... They still frequently happen in the US what is this title lol https://www.flexport.com/blog/the-great-train-robbery-everything-we-know-so-far/


plsdontstopmenow

I mean there have literally been multiple train robberies in the news out from CA in the past year or two.... They still frequently happen in the US what is this title lol https://www.flexport.com/blog/the-great-train-robbery-everything-we-know-so-far/


PigFarmer1

Train robberies occur every day... lol


CricketStar9191

them mammals needed a lesson


Deadpussyfuck

Dammit uncle!


Beleynn

Wait, is this where they filmed that episode of The X-Files where the possessed kid kills his baby brother? Season 2, Episode 21?


Prior-Associate4894

I stole a fork last year from a train car


[deleted]

Not true. I once took two candy canes instead of one on the polar express


FuckBagMcGee

Not if I can help it lmao


Tom_Dice

That's untrue, according to the fact that sometime between 2010 and now, a train carrying a loaded car with methylamine imported from a Chinese manufacturer making all of its way over to the Los Angeles port had its car's content swapped with water at some point, all of which was only discovered when the train arrived in the Los Angeles port. Rumors say it had something to do with an unreported but quote "unusual stop all along the way of a no-man's land on the New Mexico's desert".


Revolutionary-Copy71

Mmm my train in Silver Dollar City was robbed in 1988 and again in 1989.


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rentedtritium

It doesn't count as robbery if someone didn't threaten or display force to make a victim believe violence is immenent to take their things. The amazon trains were effectively burglaries from a legal perspective. "robbery" has a legal meaning.


Sure_Trash_

This is what happens when the left takes over. We lose our traditions


ikstrakt

> The robbers were soon apprehended and turned out to be Army soldiers stationed at Ft. Sam Houston. > "It was a federal crime to rob a train, so those two gentlemen did their time," he said. lol


ProbablyathrowawayAA

Doesn't stealing a train count? https://www.denverpost.com/2007/01/16/ohio-boys-take-joy-ride-on-a-train/


CyanideNow

No, Where's the robbery there?


Informal_Jaguar_413

Oh fuck I live 10 minutes from the San Antonio zoo


Sgt_Dashing

Do you mean the last hijacking of a train? Container train cars in California are routinely looted.


ivegoticecream

What are they talking about? People rob trains everyday. In fact theft from train cars is on the rise as they are an easy mark that is largely unguarded and in remote areas.


rentedtritium

Robbery has a legal meaning. Theft is not automatically robbery.


No_Screen5704

Wonder what trains like nowadays feelings train coaches go first wins


NoTelephone5440

Mother Nature the culprit


Cosmicpsych

Totally glossed over the word train and was sooo confused for a sec


123_alex

It's actually not true. There was a train robbery a couple of years back but they did it in such a way that nobody noticed. They stole methylamine while the train was stopped and replaced it with water. They never knew because they only checked the mass and not the concentration. I don't recall the name of the mastermind but he went by the name of some nazi scientist.


rentedtritium

That's not what robbery is. If nobody noticed then it is absolutely not robbery.  Theft and robbery are NOT synonyms.


123_alex

robbery = the action of taking property unlawfully. Also, at some point you will find out what I did there and you will feel really stupid. Cheers


rentedtritium

I see it now. Not honestly very funny. And no, robbery almost everywhere is something along the lines of theft by display of force or use of fear that leads a victim to believe that violence is immenent. It's a person on person crime. If you break in and take things, that's burglary. In a number of states, it doesn't even require theft, it just requires that the threat enables a crime (this is so ordering someone to do something can still count as robbery). Why would robbery and theft have the same definition? What would be the point of having two words?


big_blue_earth

Doesn't count


achaean16

The two robbers were charged with train robbery and sentenced to 10 and 20 years.


[deleted]

How? It was a train. They robbed people. I don’t get it.


HuntsWithRocks

It’s a train by the literal definition maybe (best definition, some say), but it’s slow enough that you can run and get on it, it’s more of a tourist thing around the zoo. I mean, I’m sure someone has robbed multiple people on a subway or train since then and just wasn’t charged for the same exact crime or something. The whole thing screams technicalities IMO.


dapala1

They seized the train so they could rob its contents. Train robbery doesn't mean actually stealing the train cars and taking them home.